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2times2many
Greenwood Lake, NY
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How similar is Trump's fraud case to Jim Bakker's fraud case in the 80's, 90's(?)
He was convicted of bilking people and defrauding them, along with other charges, and was sentenced to many years. I don't think he served all the years.
I mean, was he personally charged or was his company/ministry charged and as head of the company he was ultimately responsible?
I really should look that up.
I ask because it sounds similar--defrauding people of money by making false promises.
In any case, I wouldn't think he'd want it hanging over his head and he'd want vindication or something. I cannot imagine a sitting president going through a trial not connected to something he'd done as president. In other words, I think it would go away after the inauguration. As for not using any statements he uttered throughout his campaign, why should they be excluded?
If it's delayed til after the inauguration, he won't be required to respond....
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phikebishop
Venice, CA
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Well there is always Mike Pence..... 
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missgioia
Athens, GA
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If it's delayed til after the inauguration, he won't be required to respond....
This actually not true. His presidency won't cover incidents from before his presidency.
Lake, it's not a criminal case. He wouldn't go to jail, he would have to compensate the plaintiffs.
I suppose he will be busy. And, most of the lawyers my daughter works for told me that delay tactics are employed in civil suits in an effort to get plaintiffs to settle out of court.
That way, a lot of dirty laundry doesn't get aired, especially before he is officially sworn in.
All the lawyers identified themselves as Trump supporters , BTW.
As far as the ban on reference to his campaign speech, it's probably along the same reasoning.
It all speaks to his character. Whatever you feel about Hilary, it's foolish to turn a blind eye to this man's character faults.
It doesn't make anyone more of a patriot then me. It just makes them careless with our country.
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lovethelake17
Henderson, NV
59, joined May. 2009
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Yeah, I get that it's a civil case. I was just seeing similarities in what Jim Bakker did. He was sentenced to 45 years but served much less.
I guess he confessed, after jail and finally actually reading the bible, that he'd never read it all and took verses out of context to bolster his views during his ministry. What a surprise he didn't know the bible.
As for character? Yes. I believe that's been established. Although, I believe much more to come will be eye-opening.
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missgioia
Athens, GA
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So, it's a civil suit with the State of NY as the plaintiff? What compensation (money) are they seeking regarding Trunp U?
In my experience, the plaintiffs are typically individuals, not the state, in civil matters. In criminal complaints it's usually State Vs. Defendant(s).
Then again, all states have different methods.
I believe there's also a California case.
I understand that people want change.
I don't blame them. And, I know you care greatly for the country.
But, every fiber of my being tells me he is a scam.
We have spoken about my mother, and how hard she had to work to get out of Italy.
Every time she hears Trump speak, she puts her head in her hands, and says, "Mussolini, Mussolini, Mussolini"
I don’t trust him.
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longbobby
Lufkin, TX
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It appears the unhappy snowflakes are giving a big SCREW YOU to their "dear Leader". samBO truly is a lame duck now when even his worshipers don't listen to him anymore. Let alone heed his words. 
Finally, Obama Speaks: Americans Need to ‘Reconcile Themselves’ with a Trump Presidency
This is an amazing scene unfolding in America…
While the Democratic Party’s ‘community organizing’ machine helps ignite street protests, and even some violence, on streets nationwide for the last week – the Democratic President goes in front of the press this morning saying, “Look, the people have spoken. Donald Trump will be the next president.”
After a week of concentrated unrest, the President has been totally silent about street protests rejecting the election result – almost as a wink and a knod, quietly encouraging, or perhaps tempting a boiling point. When will President directly engage the American people on this issue?
Certainly, if this situation were reversed, the media would be demanding that a Republican president go to the American people calling for calm – and to accept the American media’s newly invented term, “the peaceful transition of power.”
More ‘leading from behind’ in Washington…
http://21stcenturywire.com/2016/11/14/finally-obama-speaks-americans-need-to-reconcile-themselves-with-a-trump-presidency/
Gregory Korte
USA Today
President Obama is answering questions about the election, the presidential transition and his legacy Monday at a White House news conference — his first since voters handed the White House over to a candidate who promised to dismantle his agenda.
Appearing relaxed and reflective, Obama said Americans had to “reconcile themselves” to the Trump presidency, but that he was optimistic about the country and his Democratic party.
He also made clear that he has things he wants to accomplish before he leaves office. “We’re going to make sure that we finish what we started, that we don’t let up in these last two months,” he said.
Obama said his White House team should be proud of what they’ve accomplished. “We’ve already ensured that when we turn over the keys, the car is in pretty good shape. We are indisputably in a better position now than we were when I came in eight years ago.”
(…) At the Monday news conference, Obama addressed:
-- The outcome of the election: “Look, the people have spoken. Donald Trump will be the next president, the 45th president of the United States. Those who didn’t vote for him have to understand, that’s how the system works. That’s how democracy operates,” he said. “Whenever you have an incoming president on the other side, particularly after a contentious election like we’ve had, it takes a while for people to reconcile themselves to that new reality. Hopefully it’s a reminder that elections matter.”
-- His Oval Office meeting with Trump: “Probably the most important point that I made was that how you staff, particularly the chief of staff, the national security adviser, the White House counsel … that’s something that has to be attended to right away,” he said. “I think it’s important to give him the room and the space to do that.”
Obama said he told Trump he was encouraged by his more conciliatory tone since the election. “Gestures matter, and how he reaches out to groups that may not have supported him … those are the kinds of things that can set the tone to move forward once he takes office.”
--The future of the Democratic party: “It’s a healthy thing for the Democratic party to go through some reflection. I think it’s important for me not to be bigfooting that conversation. We want to see new voices and new views emerge,” he said…
Full article at ... http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2016/11/14/obama-holds-his-first-post-election-news-conference/93806234/
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M4mischief
Grand Prairie, TX
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Ah, so Bakker's was a criminal trial?
Like I said, I should look it up.
Yes...you don't go to jail for a civil trial....civil suits are all about winning money...that's it....  
"James Orsen "Jim" Bakker (pronounced "Baker"; born January 2, 1940) is an American televangelist, a former Assemblies of God minister and a former host (with his then-wife Tammy Faye Bakker) of The PTL Club, an evangelical Christian television program.
A sex scandal led to his resignation from the ministry. Subsequent revelations of accounting fraud brought about his imprisonment and divorce. He later remarried and returned to televangelism."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Bakker
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missgioia
Athens, GA
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Civil suits are often about recouping losses that occurred through fraud, deception, disingenuous methods.
Winning money is what happens when you play the lottery.
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_Technologist01
Powell, OH
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i think he should be tried on schedule. His attorneys know the American people don't want someone labeled a fraud in office.
Oh wait....being a fraud is what politicians are all about
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missamicable
Austin, TX
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It will be delay indefinitely. Trump is now the leader of the free world.
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enigmaathand
Leavittsburg, OH
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i think he should be tried on schedule. His attorneys know the American people don't want someone labeled a fraud in office.
Oh wait....being a fraud is what politicians are all about
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mustangwriter
Boerne, TX
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You do realize this is like suing Fred Astair because someone once took a class in a franchised Fred Astair School of Ballroom Dancing and failed to make it on Dancing with the Stars.
Much ado about nothing.
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sandycrabs
Land O Lakes, WI
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I hope beaver licking Hillary has one real soon !
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yetskimama
Walterboro, SC
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After 8 years of dealing with O'Bailout just throwing money at everyone, I don't think the American public really cares anymore.
morning , I know I don't care 
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missgioia
Athens, GA
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You do realize this is like suing Fred Astair because someone once took a class in a franchised Fred Astair School of Ballroom Dancing and failed to make it on Dancing with the Stars.
Much ado about nothing.
He was 92% owner.
And, this excuse of "It wasn't me, it was just my name ", is already getting old.
I really don't see how his character is much better than anyother politician.
It bothers me to see people follow him, or anyother politician so blindly.
That's a dangerous thing for America.
You can see my answer to Stan for the rest of my feelings.
Not, much ado about nothing.
I believe there's also a California case.
I understand that people want change.
I don't blame them. And, I know you care greatly for the country.
But, every fiber of my being tells me he is a scam.
We have spoken about my mother, and how hard she had to work to get out of Italy.
Every time she hears Trump speak, she puts her head in her hands, and says, "Mussolini, Mussolini, Mussolini"
I don’t trust him.[/quote
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pdforone
Litchfield, OH
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Tyranny! Rich white guys deserve special treatment!
Only about 40 shopping days until Christmas! Trump is going to take your guns! Stock up now!
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longbobby
Lufkin, TX
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The National Enquirer is far more credible than the New York times, SEE THIS:
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d__u__b
Athens, GA
53, joined Jul. 2012
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Actually, I support the delay. He's got a lot to worry about between now and the inauguration. I'd rather he focus on choosing a cabinet and on all the other decisions he needs to make right now. People may not like him, but a delay is probably in the best interest of the country.
if he's got a lot on his plate now, just wait until he takes office!
it seems to me not only that as an american citizen that should have no special privileges (or appearances thereof); getting the trial out of the way before he gets really busy with the country's business would be best for all.
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_Cham
AngualastoAustralian Capital
Australia
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Trump settles Trump University lawsuits for $25 million
3 hours ago
(a copy and paste from Yahoo news)
President-elect Donald Trump has agreed to pay $25 million to former students of his for-profit Trump University as part of a settlement that resolves three outstanding lawsuits against him, including one in which he was set to testify in a trial that was due to begin in San Diego later this month.
As part of the agreement, Trump will pay $1 million in penalties to the state of New York for violating state education laws by labeling his nonaccredited school a “university” without registering as an educational institution with New York state officials, according to New York Attorney General Eric T. Schneiderman, who announced the settlement Friday afternoon. The deal includes no admission of wrongdoing.
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Zelda88
Sugar Land, TX
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He settled the case for $25 million.
//end thread 
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missgioia
Athens, GA
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He settled the case for $25 million.
//end thread
You don't get to tell people when a thread has ended
I understand, you are on an election high. It harshes your buzz if I point out that he is a human being with string of very shady business deals.
But, as I have said, I believe in keeping an eye on ALL politicians.
So, it's as the lawyers in my daughters office said it would be. Delaying tactics were used to get the plaintiffs to settle out of court. In this way, airing of dirty laundry was avoided.
He is far from the first shady business man/ politician to use this tactic.
He is just showing that he is no different from the people he ranted against.
He isn't that great of a victory.
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sparknspirit
Ocala, FL
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ha...
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Zelda88
Sugar Land, TX
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There is nothing shady about settling cases out of court. They were only after his money and deep pockets to begin with.
It is legal, preferred and encouraged by all judges. Saves the govt money.
You're too blinded by bitterness of his WIN to address anything about Trump objectively.
ETA: odd that the lawyers representing the plaintiffs were doing it pro bono. It suggests they were tools to derail his candidacy and presidency for the DNC.
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missgioia
Athens, GA
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There is nothing shady about settling cases out of court. They were only after his money and deep pockets to begin with.
It is legal, preferred and encouraged by all judges. Saves the govt money.
You're too blinded by bitterness of his WIN to address anything about Trump objectively.
ETA: odd that the lawyers representing the plaintiffs were doing it pro bono. It suggests they were tools to derail his candidacy and presidency for the DNC.
Actually, I have addressed many of my concerns quite objectively.
For example, his plan to dismantle NAFTA probably won't result in many jobs because those jobs are already lost to automation. And, dismantling NAFTA could hurt this countries ranchers.
See, no bitterness, or ad hominem attacks. Just a genuine concern for a stated position.
And, if those lawyers had wanted to derail his campaign, then they wouldn't have agreed to allow him to delay the trial until after the campaign.
He is a man, Zelda, not a God.
No one pays 25 million just to be nice.
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phikebishop
Venice, CA
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He settled the case for $25 million.
//end thread [/quote Yeah, and don't forget it was crooked Hillary's fault
anyway......Right zelda?
Plus this way it gets it out of the way, Well he is going to be our President and he doesn't want to be dragged down with a trial now does he...
ot.....About his income tax......j/s  
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Zelda88
Sugar Land, TX
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Plenty of people have settled nuisance lawsuits. That's all he did.
BillyBob paid Paula Jones $850,000 to drop her sexual harassment lawsuit against him.
Is your next thread going to being about the Clinton Foundation and their illegal pay-to-play racketeering?
Or her criminal acts with the private server?
I'll be waiting. 
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missgioia
Athens, GA
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Plenty of people have settled nuisance lawsuits. That's all he did.
BillyBob paid Paula Jones $850,000 to drop her sexual harassment lawsuit against him.
Is your next thread going to being about the Clinton Foundation and their illegal pay-to-play racketeering?
Or her criminal acts with the private server?
I'll be waiting.
Zelda, look through my posting history. I have never defended the Clintons, or suggested they shouldn't be investigated/charged, etc.
But, as I have said. They aren't the issue.
I am tired of adults in this country saying what Y did is okay, because X did it too.
And, really, 25 million is a nuisance?
To paraphrase The Who, meet the new boss, same as the old boss.
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cupocheer
Assumption, IL
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Quote from Zelda88:
Plenty of people have settled nuisance lawsuits. That's all he did.
BillyBob paid Paula Jones $850,000 to drop her sexual harassment lawsuit against him.
Is your next thread going to being about the Clinton Foundation and their illegal pay-to-play racketeering?
Or her criminal acts with the private server?
I'll be waiting.
*********
Certainly would be interesting to read the open Court order about the monetary payment adjudicated against President Clinton (I knew I'd get to say that, legitimately, this mobth), and know the truth, huh?
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missgioia
Athens, GA
54, joined May. 2014
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Quote from Zelda88:
Plenty of people have settled nuisance lawsuits. That's all he did.
BillyBob paid Paula Jones $850,000 to drop her sexual harassment lawsuit against him.
Is your next thread going to being about the Clinton Foundation and their illegal pay-to-play racketeering?
Or her criminal acts with the private server?
I'll be waiting.
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Certainly would be interesting to read the open Court order about the monetary payment adjudicated against President Clinton (I knew I'd get to say that, legitimately, this mobth ), and know the truth, huh?
Zelda, I have said it before, I will say it again. It doesn't defend Trump to point out others wrongs.
I am not defending the Clintons, or the Obama administration in this thread.
I am not asking anyone to change their opinions on the Clintons, or Obama.
The thread is about Trump's behavior
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stl1
Saint Louis, MO
63, joined Jun. 2007
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TWENTY FIVE MILLION DOLLARS...
but no admission of wrongdoing.
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2times2many
Greenwood Lake, NY
32, joined Jan. 2014
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He did the right thing by settling.
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sparknspirit
Ocala, FL
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amazes me what people can argue about
Goia
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Zelda88
Sugar Land, TX
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Why are you responding to me twice? 
He settled the lawsuit. Why are you still arguing? Trying to reach 5000 with an obsolete topic?
Do you think he should get the death sentence? Hanged? Firing squad?
I was one of the first to post on here, and you chose to ignore it.
Take your drama to someone who cares enough to read your post history. It sure as hell isn't me.
Zelda, I have said it before, I will say it again. It doesn't defend Trump to point out others wrongs.
I am not defending the Clintons, or the Obama administration in this thread.
I am not asking anyone to change their opinions on the Clintons, or Obama.
The thread is about Trump's behavior
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ltlwing
Williamsburg, OH
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TWENTY FIVE MILLION DOLLARS...
but no admission of wrongdoing.
The intent was money,was it not? Why else settle? You act as if Trump was the only one running a smear campaign in earlier post? Clearly Hillary's campaign did the same.
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