From the very beginning the scripture has been the source.... Amen.

But remember who put the Bible together in the first place.

Isaiah 14:
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How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
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For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
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I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
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Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.


son of the ""Morning"" or son of Jesus the bright and morning star.

or another way is Christ created Lucifer as did he create all of us so naturally we are all sons and daughters of Christ by creation.

it is being his Bride however that counts.


this is clear Lucifer is a real being not just a star.

It is speaking ABOUT Adam...Adam was the ONLY one who fell! He represents the 'flesh man'. Because he sinned and fell he brought sin INTO the world!

the torah speaks of a civilization living and thriving that was being mediated (Christ our mediator) by Lucifer.

there are scripture that claim there was people before Adam and evidence of the luciferian flood theory even if Lucifer was not mentioned in the Torah.

shining one or not Isaiah was clear it had a heart and it made itself equal to God (which would naturally be the enemy of GOD and now our ENEMY when we accept God)

i gotta go but will provide scripture when i return.

Revelations 12 is specific the NATION of ISRAEL and her inhabitants battles SATAN.

this takes place before Michael ever perma boots Satan from heaven forever to be cast into the lake of fire.

nowhere in the bible or history of Israel as a land of inhabitants or land of the Promise does it ever mention of this battle taking place.
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When Lucifer promoted himself after being mediator of God's people and saw himself as equal to God then he was punished and kicked to earth. 


this clearly is about the one who led 1/3 of the heavenly host and was cursed and now we know him as Satan
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only Lucifer felt he was equal to God and rebelled against God. 

therefore, he and 1/3 of heaven will be cast out. 

this took place before the creation of Adam. 

Christ saw it since he was the one who booted him 
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this took place before the creation of Adam.... 


how do we know this? 


because the SERPENT (devil/Satan/was once Lucifer) beguiled Eve. 
so, Satan had to be on earth to tempt mankind since mankind has FREE WILL. 
and eve was part of the Creation after and from Adam. 

so, he got booted before day 1 of the Adam creation story. 

and Jesus said, HE SAW this take place as HE was there because He did it 
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And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars: 
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And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered. 

and we know this is the nation of Israel about to battle Satan (Rev 12:3). 

THIS HAS NEVER happened in the history of the ISRAEL the nation. 

if it has never happened

What do you think God meant in Genesis 3:15, when He included as part of His curse upon the serpent, the following: "And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and hers."

Why, do you think, would God curse the serpent first, before He cursed His good creation?

The "serpent" 'had been demoted' (cast away from God) BEFORE God created MAN.

the torah speaks of a civilization living and thriving that was being mediated (Christ our mediator) by Lucifer.

Lucifer might had been added by the Latin but there were people before Adam so he could not been first human to fall from Grace since in Gen 1:1 we go from a FINISHED and completed earth to one that is now under water (face of the deep) in Gen 1:2.

When Lucifer promoted himself after being mediator of God's people and saw himself as equal to God then he was punished and kicked to earth.

so, Adam was NEVER IN HEAVEN.
why?
the Tree of Life was in the Garden which is our representation of Christ today.
we have the tree of life within us and we have yet to be in heaven.

this clearly is about the one who led 1/3 of the heavenly host and was cursed and now we know him as Satan.


i realize from the jewish teachings they teach no Lucifer.
but why should they not teach it they do not even believe their God Jehova existed to begin with.
Most Jews are atheist and believe the Torah is a book of good stories.

in my opinion (which is just that an opinion) Isaiah is specific to whomever this was or called it was someone who PROMOTED HIMSELF EQUAL TO GOD...

Adam NEVER promoted himself but was FOLLOWER of Eve.

if anyone promoted themselves it would had been EVE, not Adam for she seduced Adam.

she committed the first sin.

NO, you are wrong. Produce scripture that says the serpent was cast out first.


Don't start that BS, again, Share N.

You made your ignorant comment that I replied to -- and I called BS.

The ball is in your court.

Prove I am wrong on. Calling BS on STFU.

your attempt at diversion, as usual, FAILS.

Loop... I didn't claim evil was still in heaven.

The Israelite who wrote the book of Job wrote that.

And if you are so adamant about "indepth" stories in the cult book Urantia then you must be the one who has read it.

I make my posts based on the Holy Bible. I stand behind what I post as God has directed his prophets & apostles & His only begotten son.

If you have a quarrel with what the Holy Bible says take it up with God.

Thirdly, the "satan" which appeared before God among the heavenly council of angels wasn't "Lucifer" (light bringer) whom had been cast out of heaven but it was the "evil" which roamed the earth and presented itself


God had already made heaven (they were in it) and earth. God cast Lucifer out of heaven to earth. (evil is now on earth)



Lucifer (no longer titled) is the serpent (evil) and deceived Woman.

Anyone remember me saying iam was confused and didn't know what he believes?

Here is the proof.
Look at his statements, in one place he claims Jesus booted saran from heaven before creation, then of course he turns around and claims he isn't booted out till revelations 12.

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that is your opinion and one you have to answer to God about.

i for one have issue when someone immediately slams the bible for their book of so-called truths and interpretations.

without the bible there would be no urantia to supposedly improve the bible.

so clearly, the bible is the most important source we have and the rest of the books are subject to th bible only.

this falls between Genesis 1:1 of a "finished and completed earth" to verse 2 when it is now under water...and notice Jeremiah says there was no man and the cities were broken down...proof of civilization before Adam.

I'm kind of on the sideline here --- but the Bible tells me "Lucifer" (light bringer) was cast out of heaven by God to earth AFTER God created earth but before God created MAN (Adam) in His own image.

you made it up in your mind is why.

i never said what you claim i did.

once prior to being Satan.

you used a reference in Job that shows the devil visits with the other angels good and fallen before God.

Revelations booting means Satan nor his fallen angels will ever be allowed to step foot into heaven after Michael boots him.
from there Satan is bound for 1,000 years.
then loosed.
then cast into lake of fire.

once prior to being Satan.

you used a reference in Job that shows the devil visits with the other angels good and fallen before God.

Revelations booting means Satan nor his fallen angels will ever be allowed to step foot into heaven after Michael boots him.
from there Satan is bound for 1,000 years.
then loosed.
then cast into lake of fire.

Satan/devil is not an entity. It is the freewill of mankind.

Those are tangible items that God set in place, there is no choice in the bodily functions of man.

Concerning Adam & Eve they fell because of their choice in 'action'...which IS a choice.

Again, satan/devil is our 'flesh man' which has enmity with God.

Again, God never once told the Israelites that some entity was chasing them around and causing them temptations to sin. He made them stand accountable for their own ACTIONS, just as He did Adam & Eve.