Jeremiah 30:

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The word that came to Jeremiah from the LORD, saying,
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Thus speaketh the LORD God of Israel, saying, Write thee all the words that I have spoken unto thee in a book.
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For, lo, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will bring again the captivity of my people Israel and Judah, saith the LORD: and I will cause them to return to the land that I gave to their fathers, and they shall possess it.
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And these are the words that the LORD spake concerning Israel and concerning Judah.
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For thus saith the LORD; We have heard a voice of trembling, of fear, and not of peace.
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Ask ye now, and see whether a man doth travail with child? wherefore do I see every man with his hands on his loins, as a woman in travail, and all faces are turned into paleness?
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Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob's trouble; but he shall be saved out of it.
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For it shall come to pass in that day, saith the LORD of hosts, that I will break his yoke from off thy neck, and will burst thy bonds, and strangers shall no more serve themselves of him:

...what is interesting about this verse is that ever since May, 1948 over 6 million jews have moved to Jerusalem and more are coming.

Jeremiah makes it clear the jews of today will recreate the temple where the anti-Christ will be revealed and kill 2/3 of the jews and 1/3 will flee on foot to Petra.

so, this prophecy is ((yet to come)).






ISRAEL :

Revelation 12:
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And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:
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And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.
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And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.
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And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.
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And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.
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And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.


verse 1 speaks of the nation of ISRAEL and the child did ascend unto heaven as verse 5 indicates but verse 5 states ((He)) will rule with rod of iron (so, this clearly is the return and his glory and power.

how is verse 1 a reference to Israel?

Genesis 37:9
And he dreamed yet another dream, and told it his brethren, and said, Behold, I have dreamed a dream more; and, behold, the sun and the moon and the eleven stars made obeisance to me.
((Joseph is the 12 star or tribe of Jacob/Israel))


since we know verse 1 is Israel and verse 3 is the devil it makes it clear that Israel will go to war against the devil...
((this prophecy has ((yet to come))...))

so clearly 70 AD was not about any of this prophecies...but about that which is still "yet to come"

ummm... Gnosticism?

Why, yes, Cheer, I believe that is historically and biblically and scientifically correct.

So what your saying is this.

Although the word says they were scatter, the distance they were scattered does not meet your definition of being scattered.
Isn't that correct?

It's by your definition of "scattered" that's the claim is made they were not scattered.
But by the word, the inspired word, they were scattered.

As for them battling against Satan, we'll once again let's look to the scriptures.

Ephesians 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in highplaces. 13Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand. 14Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness; 15And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace; 16Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked. 17And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:

Who do you suppose paul is speaking of here?
And he even tells us how and what to fight with.

paul came from a well to do family and the reason it is said he never married was because paul was trying to fight his homosexual tendencies.

much of why I specifically use only the WORDS of CHRIST when he said to, GO and sin NO MORE considering the OSAS are using the words from someone fighting to be a queer.

and it shows the queer created this theory of GRACE...which is a typical lie like you will get from most who are queer.

I tossed that in to show why I do not always buy the Paul said this crap.

if Christ said it then OKAY and no one else...

now, back to Jeremiah 31 as you attempted to point out...

Jeremiah 31:

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Behold, I will bring them from the north country, and gather them from the coasts of the earth, and with them the blind and the lame, the woman with child and her that travaileth with child together: a great company shall return thither.
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They shall come with weeping, and with supplications will I lead them: I will cause them to walk by the rivers of waters in a straight way, wherein they shall not stumble: for I am a father to Israel, and Ephraim is my firstborn.
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Hear the word of the LORD, O ye nations, and declare it in the isles afar off, and say, He that scattered Israel will gather him, and keep him, as a shepherd doth his flock.
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For the LORD hath redeemed Jacob, and ransomed him from the hand of him that was stronger than he.
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Therefore they shall come and sing in the height of Zion, and shall flow together to the goodness of the LORD, for wheat, and for wine, and for oil, and for the young of the flock and of the herd: and their soul shall be as a watered garden; and they shall not sorrow any more at all.


verse 8 lines up with Revelations 12:

1
And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:
2
And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.

and we know this is the nation of Israel about to battle Satan (Rev 12:3).

THIS HAS NEVER happened in the history of the ISRAEL the nation.

if it has never happened and it is written to happen then it means it is to still "yet, to take place".

obviously the rest of Jeremiah I posted is about the reign of Christ.

but, we know how you Baptist with your f*ggot message from Paul loves to find excuses to be who you are anyways under the GRACE and OSAS lies


if you truthfully follow paul you should be catholic...they do the same thing

Rather than rant about paul, address the scriptures given.

You explained nothing by only saying " this or that lines up with revelations"
Well it all should line up with revelations, revelations is the revealing of jesus christ, the prophet spoke of christ and that he would come.

Answer this, do you believe that in the scriptures you quoted from Jeremiah, that it is speaking of christ?

Rather than rant about paul, address the scriptures given.

You explained nothing by only saying " this or that lines up with revelations"
Well it all should line up with revelations, revelations is the revealing of jesus christ, the prophet spoke of christ and that he would come.

Answer this, do you believe that in the scriptures you quoted from Jeremiah, that it is speaking of christ?

it was written in 95 AD.
the first book of John was written before 70 AD.
if you need to twist facts do it elsewhere.

Iam, just answer the question and then we will deal with other questions and or other scriptures.

Do you think Jeremiah, was speaking about christ.

Sharon, I don't think revelations was written in 95ad.
I understand many do, but there is just as many that dont.

And I have a question towards the 2 time lines thought about the writting of Revelation.

If John wrote revelations, or any book for that matter, after 70ad, why isn't there any mention of the temple that was destroyed when the Roman armies invaded Jerusalem.

That would have been a great historical event especially for the Jews and all Israel, yet not one thing is written about it.

It was such an important event, or maybe news worthy event that many writers did write about it, yet in these letters to the churches of Asia, nothing is mentioned.


As a matter of fact, Jesus plainly warned them, before his death, that it is coming, and then john, who was probably one of the few remaining alive after it come to pass, didn't even write about it and the fulfillment of them he words of jesus?

I'll ask you the same question I was asking iam, since he won't answer.

Back up a few post from here, and tell me, was Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Isaiah, speaking of jesus.

Actually, Iam, I am not twisting facts.

Please explain how YOU can make a definite statement claiming the book of Revelation "WAS WTITTEN IN 95 ad"? You can't! You are not a theological expert and NO theological expert has ever claimed, or attempted to claim, a definite date for the compilation of the information
in Revelation.

Explain your statement, please.

I'll tell you how I arrived at my date of circa 68 ad.

A comparative study of the book of Revelation, historical FACT from published documentation & known antiquated biblical records, and scientific research: archeology, carbon dating, and ACTUAL physical evidence.

Iam -- you do realize, don't you, that the New Testament, neethe Holy Bible is NOT arranged in chronological order by date of writing of the various Books? Correct?

There are many historical Scholars that have shown that it was indeed written during this time.

Please show me the ones who think it wasn't.

Revelation's is a Book about a vision pf prophecy not a historical document. There are many things that had come to pass that Yahshua didn't mention.

He was telling the churches [through the ages] what would befall them upon His return [Prophecy].

Let's stick to this topic before venturing into the 3 Prophets. You are already conversing with I_am about this.

I like how Share N strolls into Iam's thread in the middle of the night and TELLS other posters to whom and about what to post -- and took stay on topic -- as if "she" is Iam's butt buddy of Iam, "itself", keeping "her" thread discussion going.

Hey, Loop -- does Share N's authoritative Jew dykiness bully stance scare you away from posting as you choose to it where you choose to post?

It doesn't me! I think it may be time for Share N & Iam to take a timeout.

you still refuse to see Jeremiah is specific both the JEW and enemy of the Jew are punished.

when did this take place in 70AD?

you cannot answer because it never took place.

all throughout Jeremiah 30 God is chastising Israel and her enemies.

why would God only punish one of the 2 things he mentioned is getting punished unless God is a liar.

and we know he is not a liar.

so, when will the Jew and enemy of the Jew be punished simultaneously is what Jeremiah is all about.

since the enemy has never been punished then 70 AD was not about Jeremiah 30.

if you have someone coming to take away (resurrection) he said to keep watch as in be prepared for it.

why did the wise virgins have full lamps with their wicks prepared?

they never burned the lamps until it was time.

until then they watched for it to come.

for when it does come then the virgins would light up their lamps.


clearly, you have no idea what scripture even means.

but that is clear when you refuse Christ's command of GO and sin No More for Paul's excuse of grace

God said he saves us by his MERCY.

never is there grace for sin only mercy...

Question.
If he is coming like a theif in the night, why did he tell them to watch?

Maybe you just don't understand.

How's the weather in WV, Loop?