cup, I should have been more plain.

She said salvation is near, but still in the future.
That's what I'm asking for scriptures about.

Unless I'm wrong, a certain preist, said, I have seen thy salvation,
He said this about seeing Jesus as a babe.

I do offer scripture and then you say it means something else.

I showed Revelations 12 is about the nation of Israel battling satan and when did this take place.

all you do is talk in circles because there are no answers for the things that have not taken place yet but that they are to come.

and my screen name was because when the flagging took place I got it like many of other posters at DH.

hmmmm.... All you scriptural "scholar-izers".

Food for thought this morning:

Do we all agree that the Bible is compiled as a "history" book from ancient documentation, stories (poetry/songs included), letters (epistles), personal commentary, eyewitness reports?

Can we agree on that point?

Anyone who chooses to respond: This question only requires a yes/agree or a no/disagree.

It does not require a litany of blathering justification commentary, yet.

without splitting hairs, yes.

You need help determining what wicked people Heb is talking about.

Jeremiah, nor any 9 the prophets spoke of things coming upon the whole populous.

The prophets were sent to Israel, God only spoke to israel, his only concern was Israel.

And Israel had, both good and wicked.

You don't agree? Then why was Jesus sent only to the jew?

Matt
24But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel. 

Why did he say, salvation is of the jews?

John 4
22Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews. 

Now don't take that as saying all cannot recieve salvation, for all can.
But one is grafted Into the vine, it isn't a new vine nor a new branch.

So when reading the scriptures, you must understand who these things were written to, and who every bit of it was about.


Let's pull some important verses from Jeremiah 30 and see if what I've said isn't so.

4And these are the words that the LORD spake concerning Israel and concerning Judah.

11For I am with thee, saith the LORD, to save thee: though I make a full end of all nations whither I have scattered thee, yet will I not make a full end of thee: BUT I WILL CORRECT THEE IN MEASURE, AND WILL NOT LEAVE THEE ALTOGETHER UNPUNISHED.

24The fierce anger of the LORD shall not return, until he have done it, and until he have performed the intents of his heart: IN THE LATTER DAYS YE SHALL CONSIDER IT.

This isn't an end of the world judgment, this is befalling upon them,

I agree with what you said about the priest.

THE Scriptures you gave, Do YOU Understand THE Difference In THE books?
And do you understand what is the second death?

You view of these two things mentioned here, has great implications of how you see the rest of the message.

Before I address anymore, why do you keep referring to Genisis and Joseph?

More specifically, why are you connecting that with revelations 12?

I agree, God doesn't need a list, and neither do I think there is a literal book that all this is written in.

I would have to go back through all the post and even other threads to see, but I was under the impression that you, like iam, are looking for a natural physical battle between Israel and satan.

And it isn't only iam, many people, they read revelations and the battle is natural, the mark of the beast is natural, the new Jerusalem is natural, among other things.
But then when the see these books, oh that's not natural God doesn't need books.
Or when they see christ depicted as a lamb, riding on a horse, they claim thee lamb part is figurative but the coming on a white horse is natural.
I mean come on, let's be Consistent in how we interpret the bible.
And yes I know, there are both literal and figurative scriptures, but nowhere, is two words literal and the next 3 words figurative, then the next 6 words literal and finishing with another 2 words being figurative.

It's sad to say, but that's how most people interpret, and especially revelations.

Iam mentioned in one of his post, there was "no more sea" in the new earth/new Jerusalem.

I'll give alot more detail later, but here is what God hath already said concerning the new earth/new Jerusalem

Isaiah 65 17For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.

18But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.

19And I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and joy in my people: and the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, nor the voice of crying.

20There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinnerbeing an hundred years old shall be accursed.

21And they shall build houses, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and eat the fruit of them.

22They shall not build, and another inhabit; they shall not plant, and another eat: for as the days of a tree arethe days of my people, and mine elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands.

23They shall not labour in vain, nor bring forth for trouble; for they are the seed of the blessed of the LORD, and their offspring with them.

Now I'm not sure about you, but I guarantee that iam will sat there is no death in new Jerusalem.
Go read verse 20 again and tell me what happened to a child at 100 years of age.

He will also tell you there is no sin there either.
Go read verse 20, tell me if the word says the sinner being 100 shall be accursed.

Then of course, iam thinks he has a mansion waiting on him, and I know what scripture he uses for that.
But go read verse 21, he will be building his own house.

And all the work and labor in verse 22/23, well, I'm betting that's not how iam or even most think it is going to be.

But that's the word of God, not the word of loopy.

Did Jesus Christ come teaching something that the father had not already taught?
Did the disciples teach anything that God had not already taught?

If Jesus or the disciples or you and I, teach that the new heaven is without death, is without sin, without labor, then we're teaching a doctrine not ordained by God.

I didn't say it earlier, I forgot, I can see how one could apply the torah, as the book.
I'll explain myself a little better on how I see it later.

P.S. The name Lucifer is the name of a star; you will not find it in the Hebrew scriptures but you will find it in the Septuagint because the Latin's added it.

Do your research....

My Bibles (KJV, Jerusalem, NAB, and Douay Rheims) say that there is indeed a Lucifer, a fallen angel, not a man.