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ludlowlowell
Panama City, FL
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FJO, why would anyone prefer the racist eugenicist polytheistic Urantia Book over the good Bible?
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followjesusonly
Kingman, AZ
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FJO, why would anyone prefer the racist eugenicist polytheistic Urantia Book over the good Bible?
As a compulsive liar, you should try to broaden your techniques. There must be other clever ways of lying that don't involve asking loaded questions.
What I want to know is why do you call Jesus, Lord, Lord, and not do the things that He says. He wants to know it as well.
Could you please just say, "Jesus, the reason I refuse to obey you is because..."
And you finish it.
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followjesusonly
Kingman, AZ
74, joined May. 2012
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I'll stick to God-breathed Scripture for the account of Genesis, thanks.
Sure, I understand. You're afraid. And closed minded. It's no problem. It's very common. cathlicks are that way too, and Jehovah's Witlesses. You're no different than they are when you say, "I'll stick to God-breathed Scripture for the account of Genesis, thanks." It's a good thing that Nathaniel wasn't afraid when Philip asked him to "Come and see." Your brush off is as good and as lame of a brush off as any.
If I want a laugh, I'll read the Urantia Book.
Sure, I understand. Get the last insult in. You got it. That's very Christian of you.
What's 38,000 years (which it is not) when you blindly accept Urantian statements about 987,000,000,000 years ago?
Quote from The Urantia Book (Paper 57):
57:1.3 (651.5) 987,000,000,000 years ago associate force organizer and then acting inspector number 811,307 of the Orvonton series, traveling out from Uversa, reported to the Ancients of Days that space conditions were favorable for the initiation of materialization phenomena in a certain sector of the, then, easterly segment of Orvonton.
How is it that you know what I "blindly accept"? And what's wrong with the paragraph above? Do you know differently? I think not.
I remember when you were whining about a 400 year difference between OT and NT.
I think you remember wrong. I was never whining about it. I merely pointed it out.
Like I said before, since we disagree on what is God-breathed Scripture, we are at an impasse.
And you believe this is God breathed scripture, is that right?
But Rabshakeh said, Hath my master sent me to thy master and to thee to speak these words? hath he not sent me to the men that sit upon the wall, that they may eat their own dung, and drink their own piss with you? (Isa 36:12) KJV
And you have no sense that saying the above is God breathed scripture is blasphemy against God, is that right?
Just followURANTIAonly and see how that works out for you.
Well, I will. And you just follow whatever sect and bible group among thousands that you follow and see how that works out for you too, OK?
You claim that you obey Luke 10:27. This is delusional!!!. Learn what the word "all" means. Then see if you can find out what the true Good News is, which can save you.
You certainly don't know what the "true good news" is. You only know the doctrines of men.
Today, if only you would hear his voice, Do not harden your hearts
2 Thessalonians 2:7-12
I don't follow 2 Thess or whoever wrote it. Unlike you, I only follow Jesus. You should listen to Him only.
"Not every one who says to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven." (Matthew 7:21)
"For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother." (Matthew 12:50)
"...Master, what shall I do to [be saved]? [Jesus] said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou? And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself. And [Jesus] said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live. (Luke 10:25-28)
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ludlowlowell
Panama City, FL
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FJO, why do you quote John and not Genesis? They are both in the Bible you reject, right?
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followjesusonly
Kingman, AZ
74, joined May. 2012
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FJO, why do you quote John and not Genesis? They are both in the Bible you reject, right?
You just told another lie by the way you asked your last question. Do you have any other techniques or are you a one-trick lying pony?
I quote Genesis all the time.
Why do you call Jesus, "Lord, Lord," and refuse to do the things that He says?
Mat 6:6 But thou, when thou prayest, ...pray to thy Father.
I believe in the Bible, properly translated and properly interpreted by The Spirit of Truth.
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ludlowlowell
Panama City, FL
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You think the Bible is a buffet dinner, don't you, FJO? If you read something you don't like, you just reject it. If you see something you do like, you eat it up, and claim that people who don't have the same interpretation you do don't love God.
Case in point: God's only begotten Son and call no man father. The first you reject. The second you misinterpret, and you say that those who don't accept your interpretation don't love God.
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kb2222
Jacksonville, FL
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You think the Bible is a buffet dinner, don't you, FJO? If you read something you don't like, you just reject it. If you see something you do like, you eat it up, and claim that people who don't have the same interpretation you do don't love God.
What a ridiculous analogy. The Bible is a book of ancient writings for the most part by numerous and unknown or suspect authors spanning millenniums that was compiled by the "understanding" of early church leaders in approx. 400 AD who being overcome with pride audaciously proclaimed "their" work to not only be inspired by God - but to be the actual inerrant word of God no matter what it says or what Jesus taught.
Christians are called to strive to believe as Jesus believed and thus to become more like HIM and it should be clear to all serious minded Christians that you cannot do this while believing like those who killed HIM. And as a Christian if you do not believe Jesus would order man to kill his brethren for all sorts of reasons you are love-duty-bound in good conscience to reject such writings and beliefs of ancient man compiled by the church that indicate otherwise. To the true Christian the teachings of Jesus are the teachings of God not the teachings of those who rejected and killed Him.
This is why you are so confused, Ludlow. This is why you consistently lie and no longer place "value" on truth. Ludlow. You have given your loyalty to the church and the book the church compiled no matter what it says or what Jesus taught. Thus, Ludlow, you are exhibiting progressive mental, moral and spiritual confusion/stagnation/degeneracy.
In short, You are LOST if you don't love-value TRUTH and RIGHTEOUSNESS, Ludlow.
Case in point: God's only begotten Son and call no man father. The first you reject. The second you misinterpret, and you say that those who don't accept your interpretation don't love God.
Jesus said why His followers are to call no man Father in the spiritual sense and when if you ever do truly grasp your sonship with God the Father, Ludlow, you will lovingly abide. Until then your loyalty has clearly been led astray by self-serving Catholic insidious dogma.
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ludlowlowell
Panama City, FL
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In the New Testament Jesus, Paul, and Zechariah (John the Baptist's father) all called Abraham our father in faith, a spiritual father. Therefore we know that "call no man father" is not to be taken literally.
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kb2222
Jacksonville, FL
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Abraham was referred to as Father in faith as a matter of precession, Ludlow.
You are corrupt, Ludlow, and that is why you make up excuses and refuse to respond to the rest of my post commentary.
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ludlowlowell
Panama City, FL
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Okay, I call priests "Father" as a matter of precession. How do you like them apples?
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kb2222
Jacksonville, FL
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Illogical.
You are corrupt, Ludlow, and that is why you make up excuses and refuse to respond to the rest of my post commentary.
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followjesusonly
Kingman, AZ
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Okay, I call priests "Father" as a matter of precession. How do you like them apples?
Mat 6:6 But thou, when thou prayest, ...pray to thy Father.
Ludlow/Satan: I would recommend that people pray sometimes to Mary or one of the saints... Let the prayer life have some variety.
"Call no man your father upon the earth: "for one is your Father, which is in heaven." (Matthew 23:9)
Catholics give Jesus the finger on that one.
Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: Exo 20:4-5)
And in this one, they give God the finger:
"...if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: (Matthew 6:14)
But Ludlow/Satan contradicts Jesus and says: "God forgives repentant sinners only. God does not forgive everyone who forgives others."
Ludlow/Satan slaps God in the face and says, "Up yours. You do not forgive everyone who forgives others."
"Why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?" (Luke 6:46)
“Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.” (Mark 7:9)
"If a man love me, he will keep my words."(John 14:23)
"He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings." (John 14:24)
You do not love Jesus or God, Ludlow. He says so and you confirm it.
You are a sick man, Lud, and getting sicker, digging your hole into unreality deeper every day.
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followjesusonly
Kingman, AZ
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You think the Bible is a buffet dinner, don't you, FJO? If you read something you don't like, you just reject it. If you see something you do like, you eat it up, and claim that people who don't have the same interpretation you do don't love God.
Case in point: God's only begotten Son and call no man father. The first you reject. The second you misinterpret, and you say that those who don't accept your interpretation don't love God.
You don't even love God, according to Jesus. Therefore, everything you say should be viewed as the words of Satan. Like you, He doesn't love God either.
Nor do you believe the entire bible. It's you and your sect that think the bible is a buffet dinner. And that's a classic liar's gambit, accusing the other of what you do exactly. If your sect tells you to ignore some of it, you do. You put your sect first ahead of God and you obey your sect. You only believe the bible that your self serving Satanic sect approves of.
You try to divert the subject, but YOU DON'T EVEN LOVE GOD. Everyone must keep that in mind when reading your posts.
Mat 6:6 But thou, when thou prayest, ...pray to thy Father.
Ludlow/Satan: I would recommend that people pray sometimes to Mary or one of the saints... Let the prayer life have some variety.
"Call no man your father upon the earth: "for one is your Father, which is in heaven." (Matthew 23:9)
Catholics give Jesus the finger on that one.
Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: Exo 20:4-5)
And in this one, they give God the finger:
"...if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: (Matthew 6:14)
But Ludlow/Satan contradicts Jesus and says: "God forgives repentant sinners only. God does not forgive everyone who forgives others."
Ludlow/Satan slaps God in the face and says, "Up yours. You do not forgive everyone who forgives others."
"Why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?" (Luke 6:46)
“Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.” (Mark 7:9)
"If a man love me, he will keep my words."(John 14:23)
"He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings." (John 14:24)
You do not love Jesus or God, Ludlow. He says so and you confirm it.
You are a sick man, Lud, and getting sicker, digging your hole into unreality deeper every day.
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followjesusonly
Kingman, AZ
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Okay, I call priests "Father" as a matter of precession. How do you like them apples?
You call priests, "Father" as a matter of willful disobedience to God.
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lmfc7_9
Mexico City
Mexico
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URANTIA:
139:4.14 When in temporary exile on Patmos, John wrote the Book of Revelation, which you now have in greatly abridged and distorted form. This Book of Revelation contains the surviving fragments of a great revelation, large portions of which were lost, other portions of which were removed, subsequent to John's writing. It is preserved in only fragmentary and adulterated form.
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prophetic774
Winter Haven, FL
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**AMAZING TREASURES IN THE BOOK OF REVELATION**
Revelation 1:1-3: The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must take place. He made it known by sending His angel to His servant John, who testifies to everything he saw--that is the **WORD OF GOD** and the testimony of Jesus Christ. Blessed is the one who reads the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear it and take to heart what is written in it!!
Revelation 1:4,5: Grace and peace to you from Him who is, and who was, and who is to come and from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful Witness... To Him who loves us and has freed us from our sins **BY HIS BLOOD**!!
Revelation 1:19: Jesus said to John, "Write therefore what you have seen, what is **NOW**{Revelation chapters 2 & 3} and what will **TAKE PLACE LATER** {The rest of Revelation}
Revelation 2:9,11,17: Jesus says, "I know your afflictions, and your poverty--yet **YOU ARE RICH**...Be faithful, even to the point of death, and I will give you the **CROWN OF LIFE**...To him who overcomes...I will also give him a white stone with a **NEW NAME** written on it known only to him who receives it!!"
Revelation 3:12: Jesus says, "Him who overcomes I will make a pillar in the temple of My God. I will write on him the name of My God and the name of the city of My God, the New Jerusalem, which is coming down out of heaven from My God, and I will write on him My new name!!"
Revelation 3:19-21: Jesus says, "Those whom I love I rebuke and discipline. So be earnest and repent. Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with him and he with Me! To him who overcomes, I will give the right to **SIT WITH ME** on My throne, just as overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.
NOTE: Jesus Christ our Savior is called the **LAMB** 30 times in the book of Revelation.
Revelation 5:6,9: Then I saw a **LAMB**, looking as if it had been slain, standing in the center of the throne...You are worthy to take the scroll and to open its seals because You were slain , and **WITH YOUR BLOOD** You purchased men for God from every tribe and language and people and nation!!
NOTE: 666 is called the **BEAST** 36 or 6X6 times in the book of Revelation.
Revelation 13:5-10: The beast will exercise his authority for 42 [30-day} months {Or 1260 days}.... He will be given power to make war against the saints and to conquer them. And he will be given authority over *EVERY** tribe, people, language an nation. All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast--all whose name have not been written in the Book of Life belonging to the **LAMB** who was slain!! he who has an ear let him hear: If anyone is to go into captivity, into captivity he will go. If anyone is to be killed with the sword he will be killed. This calls for patient endurance and faithfulness on the part of the saints.
Revelation 12:11: They overcame him by the **BLOOD OF THE LAMB** and by the word of their testimony; they did not love their lives so much as to shrink from death!!
Revelation 6:9-11: I saw under the altar the souls of these who had been slain because of the Word of God and the testimony they had maintained. They called out in a loud voice, "How long, Sovereign Lord, holy and true, until You judge the inhabitants of the earth and avenge our blood?" Then each of them was give a **WHITE ROBE** , and they were told to wait a little longer, until the number of their fellow servants and brothers who were to be killed as they had been was completed!!
It is interesting to note that the **MARTYRS** and the 24 elders are the only saints mentioned as awake and speaking in heaven during the Great Tribulation in Revelation!
Revelation 7:9;13-15: I looked and there before me was a great multitude that no one could count, from every nation, tribe, people and language, standing before the throne and in front of the **LAMB**. They were wearing **WHITE ROBES**... Then one of the elders asked me, "These in **WHITE ROBES** who are they, and where did they come from? I answered, Sir, you know." And he said, "These are they {Martyrs} who have come out of the Great Tribulation, they have washed their robes and made them white in the **BLOOD OF THE LAMB**! Therefore, they are before the throne of God and serve him night and day and night in His temple, and He who sits on the throne will spread His tent over them!
Revelation 14:14-16: I looked, and there before me was a white cloud and sitting on the cloud was One like a Son of Man with a crown of gold on His head and a sharp sickle in His hand. Then another angel came out of the temple and called in a loud voice to Him who was sitting on the cloud, "Take your sickle and reap, because the time has come. for the harvest of the earth is ripe." So He who sitting on the cloud swung his sickle on the earth, and the earth was harvested. {See Matt 24:29-31 & I Thess 4:16,17}
Revelation 19:6-8,11,13,14,19,20: Hallelujah! For the Lord God Almighty reigns. Let us rejoice and be glad and give Him glory! For the wedding of the **LAMB** has come and His bride has made herself ready. Fine linen, bright and clean was given her to wear.... I saw heave standing open and there before me was a white horse, whose Rider is called Faithful and True...He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood and His name is the Word of God. The armies of heaven were following Him riding on white horses and dressed in fine linen white and clean... Then I saw the beast and the kings of the earth and their armies gathered together to make war against the rider on the horse and His army. But the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who had performed the miraculous signs on his behalf. With these signs he had deluded those who received the mark of the beast and worshiped his image. {See Rev 13:11-17} The two of them were thrown **ALIVE** into the fiery lake of burning sulfur. Rev 20:10 And the devil , who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
Revelation 21:1-5: Then I saw a **NEW HEAVEN** and a **NEW EARTH**, for the first heaven and the first earth **HAD PASSED AWAY** and there was no longer any sea. I saw the Holy City, the **NEW JERUSALEM**, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband. And I heard a loud Voice from the throne saying, "Now the dwelling of God is with men. They will be His people, and God Himself will be with them and be their God. He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away. He who was seated on the throne said, I am making **EVERYTHING NEW** Then He said, "Write this down, for these words are **TRUSTWORTHY** and **TRUE**!!"
  
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iam_resurrected
Reno, NV
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URANTIA:
139:4.14 When in temporary exile on Patmos, John wrote the Book of Revelation, which you now have in greatly abridged and distorted form. This Book of Revelation contains the surviving fragments of a great revelation, large portions of which were lost, other portions of which were removed, subsequent to John's writing. It is preserved in only fragmentary and adulterated form.
that is about as demonic as it gets right there...
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ludlowlowell
Panama City, FL
64, joined Feb. 2008
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Why would John bother to lie anout the visions from Jesus that He saw? Wouldn't it have been easier just to write down what Jesus actually said? What would John gain from such a thing?
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kb2222
Jacksonville, FL
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You think the Bible is a buffet dinner, don't you, FJO? If you read something you don't like, you just reject it. If you see something you do like, you eat it up, and claim that people who don't have the same interpretation you do don't love God.
What a ridiculous analogy. The Bible is a book of ancient writings for the most part by numerous and unknown or suspect authors spanning millenniums that was compiled by the "understanding" of early church leaders in approx. 400 AD who being overcome with pride audaciously proclaimed "their" work to not only be inspired by God - but to be the actual inerrant word of God no matter what it says or what Jesus taught.
Christians are called to strive to believe as Jesus believed and thus to become more like HIM and it should be clear to all serious minded Christians that you cannot do this while believing like those who killed HIM. And as a Christian if you do not believe Jesus would order man to kill his brethren for all sorts of reasons you are love-duty-bound in good conscience to reject such writings and beliefs of ancient man compiled by the church that indicate otherwise. To the true Christian the teachings of Jesus are the teachings of God not the teachings of those who rejected and killed Him.
This is why you are so confused, Ludlow. This is why you consistently lie and no longer place "value" on truth. Ludlow. You have given your loyalty to the church and the book the church compiled no matter what it says or what Jesus taught. Thus, Ludlow, you are exhibiting progressive mental, moral and spiritual confusion/stagnation/degeneracy.
In short, You are LOST if you don't love-value TRUTH and RIGHTEOUSNESS, Ludlow.
Case in point: God's only begotten Son and call no man father. The first you reject. The second you misinterpret, and you say that those who don't accept your interpretation don't love God.
Jesus said why His followers are to call no man Father in the spiritual sense and when if you ever do truly grasp your sonship with God the Father, Ludlow, you will lovingly abide.
Until then, Ludlow, your loyalty has clearly been led astray by self-serving Catholic insidious dogma.
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ludlowlowell
Panama City, FL
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Catholics believe in love and peace. Why are you against that, KB?
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kb2222
Jacksonville, FL
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I'm not. Why do you lie? The more you show your contempt for truth by lying the more you descend into spiritual unreality.
You are a deceitful corrupt fool that obviously enjoys lying, Ludlow. You post these type of lying responses to evade responding to what I said to you. Your contempt for truth is clearly of Satanic origin. You are embracing EVIL. indeed, SIN with your deliberate (willful) consistent lies.
Wake up! Ludlow, if you do not change direction you are heading towards iniquity and thus spiritual oblivion.
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ludlowlowell
Panama City, FL
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If you believe in love and peace, why such hateful language...directed at...someone who believed in love and peace?
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kb2222
Jacksonville, FL
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You are a deceitful corrupt fool that obviously enjoys lying, Ludlow. You post these type of lying responses to evade responding to what I said to you. Your contempt for truth is clearly of Satanic origin. You are embracing EVIL. indeed, SIN with your deliberate (willful) consistent lies.
Wake up! Ludlow, if you do not change direction you are heading towards iniquity and thus spiritual oblivion.
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ludlowlowell
Panama City, FL
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All I have ever sdvocated on these forums is love and peace, and look at the insults I get.
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kb2222
Jacksonville, FL
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Ludlow, even Satan knows when he is lying so stop deluding yourself.
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freegratis
Irving, TX
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And you believe this is God breathed scripture, is that right?
But Rabshakeh said, Hath my master sent me to thy master and to thee to speak these words? hath he not sent me to the men that sit upon the wall, that they may eat their own dung, and drink their own piss with you? (Isa 36:12) KJV
And you have no sense that saying the above is God breathed scripture is blasphemy against God, is that right?
KB had no comment on my answer to this on Page 2 at 1/31/2017 11:20:56 AM. Instead, he's mad I didn't address 2 of his other questions.
Same answer to you now...
FJO, You may want to read the entire chapter of Isaiah 36 instead of building some false accusational doctrine from verse 12 alone.
Rabshakeh was sent by the evil king of Assyria, who also was telling them not to trust in the Lord for their deliverance from that evil king of Assyria.
It's like the bible recording the folly of instructing someone not to trust in the Lord.
Now be instructed, rebuked, corrected and trained in righteousness.
In fact, you may want to back off on instructing people to read the Urantia Book or you'll be in the same boat as Rabshakeh. Don't be afraid. Go ahead and read the entire chapter of Isaiah 36 to get the context of verse 12 you like to quote.
I was impressed that you ended that post with your deluded claim that you love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.
When you are ready to humble yourself and admit that you cannot possibly be meeting all these commands, you might find salvation in the God of the God-breathed bible.
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kb2222
Jacksonville, FL
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@ freegratis
The real question is...When will you professed "Christians" stop subordinating your mind and thus the character of your soul to the church's infallible doctrine about the book they compiled?
Jesus did not instruct His followers to unquestionably believe in a book. He sent into the world the Holy Spirit of Truth, the Spirit of the Son as His replacement teacher not any book the church later compiled. And it is your downfall that you have so chosen to ignore and dismiss this replacement teacher that speaks within.
You can't stand the truth if it conflicts with church doctrine about the book they compiled and this is made abundantly clear in your refusal to honestly answer questions.
And you say what about the other two verses?
Num 31:17-18 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves. kjv
1Sa 15:2-3 Thus saith the LORD of hosts..., Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass. kjv
What do you see as holy and profitable for instruction in righteousness in those two verses, freegratis?
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kb2222
Jacksonville, FL
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What do you see as holy and profitable for instruction in righteousness in those two verses, freegratis?
Indeed, what do you see as holy and profitable for instruction in righteousness in rejecting the teachings of Jesus and asserting that it is righteous and Just to stone and burn people to death at the stake for all these absurd reasons like the Pharisees believed, freegratis?
Kill People Who Don't Listen to Priests (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)
Kill Witches (Exodus 22:17 NAB)
Kill Homosexuals (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)
Kill Fortunetellers (Leviticus 20:27 NAB)
Death for Hitting Dad (Exodus 21:15 NAB)
Death for Cursing Parents (Proverbs 20:20 NAB, Leviticus 20:9 NLT)
Death for Adultery (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)
Death for Fornication (Leviticus 21:9 NAB)
Death to Followers of Other Religions (Exodus 22:19 NAB)
Kill Nonbelievers (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)
Kill False Prophets (Zechariah 13:3 NAB)
Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God (Deuteronomy 13:13-18 NLT)
Kill Women Who Are Not Virgins On Their Wedding Night (Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB)
Kill Followers of Other Religions. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB, Deuteronomy 17:2-5 NLT)
Death for Blasphemy (Leviticus 24:10-16 NLT)
Kill False Prophets (Deuteronomy 13:1-5 NLT, Deuteronomy 18:20-22 NLT)
Infidels and Gays Should Die (Romans 1:24-32 NLT)
Kill Anyone who Approaches the Tabernacle (Numbers 1:48-51 NLT)
Kill People for Working on the Sabbath (Exodus 31:12-15 NLT)
Kill Sons of Sinners (Isaiah 14:21 NAB)
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ludlowlowell
Panama City, FL
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KB, if you think that's tough, wait til you see Jesus in action on Judgment Day.
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followjesusonly
Kingman, AZ
74, joined May. 2012
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Little boy, please come up with some new threats.
You can't just say, "Well, Okay for you then. You'll see. Just wait until mom gets home, you'll see."
You can't say the same little boy threat over and over. People tune it out.
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ludlowlowell
Panama City, FL
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They aren't threats they are promises. And not my promises but Jesus' promises. See the Lazarus-rich man parable in Luke.
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followjesusonly
Kingman, AZ
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You are a very sick man, Lud.
"Fear not, little flock; for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom." (Luke 12:32)
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cupocheer
Assumption, IL
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lmfc7_9
Mexico City
Mexico
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that is about as demonic as it gets right there...
you just are a fundamentalist, blind, biased mortal, man!.      ...
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kb2222
Jacksonville, FL
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@ freegratis
The real question is...When will you professed "Christians" stop subordinating your mind and thus the character of your soul to the church's infallible doctrine about the book they compiled?
Jesus did not instruct His followers to unquestionably believe in a book. He sent into the world the Holy Spirit of Truth, the Spirit of the Son as His replacement teacher not any book the church later compiled. And it is your downfall that you have so chosen to ignore and dismiss this replacement teacher that speaks within.
You can't stand the truth if it conflicts with church doctrine about the book they compiled and this is made abundantly clear in your refusal to honestly answer questions.
And you say what about the other two verses?
Num 31:17-18 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves. kjv
1Sa 15:2-3 Thus saith the LORD of hosts..., Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass. kjv
Indeed, what do you see as holy and profitable for instruction in righteousness in rejecting the teachings of Jesus and asserting that it is righteous and just to stone and burn people to death at the stake for all these absurd reasons like the Pharisees believed, freegratis?
Kill People Who Don't Listen to Priests (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)
Kill Witches (Exodus 22:17 NAB)
Kill Homosexuals (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)
Kill Fortunetellers (Leviticus 20:27 NAB)
Death for Hitting Dad (Exodus 21:15 NAB)
Death for Cursing Parents (Proverbs 20:20 NAB, Leviticus 20:9 NLT)
Death for Adultery (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)
Death for Fornication (Leviticus 21:9 NAB)
Death to Followers of Other Religions (Exodus 22:19 NAB)
Kill Nonbelievers (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)
Kill False Prophets (Zechariah 13:3 NAB)
Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God (Deuteronomy 13:13-18 NLT)
Kill Women Who Are Not Virgins On Their Wedding Night (Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB)
Kill Followers of Other Religions. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB, Deuteronomy 17:2-5 NLT)
Death for Blasphemy (Leviticus 24:10-16 NLT)
Kill False Prophets (Deuteronomy 13:1-5 NLT, Deuteronomy 18:20-22 NLT)
Infidels and Gays Should Die (Romans 1:24-32 NLT)
Kill Anyone who Approaches the Tabernacle (Numbers 1:48-51 NLT)
Kill People for Working on the Sabbath (Exodus 31:12-15 NLT)
Kill Sons of Sinners (Isaiah 14:21 NAB)
Why don't you answer, freegratis?
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kb2222
Jacksonville, FL
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Quote from ludlowlowell:
You think the Bible is a buffet dinner, don't you, FJO? If you read something you don't like, you just reject it. If you see something you do like, you eat it up, and claim that people who don't have the same interpretation you do don't love God.
What a ridiculous analogy. The Bible is a book of ancient writings for the most part by numerous and unknown or suspect authors spanning millenniums that was compiled by the "understanding" of early church leaders in approx. 400 AD who being overcome with pride audaciously proclaimed "their" work to not only be inspired by God - but to be the actual inerrant word of God no matter what it says or what Jesus taught.
Christians are called to strive to believe as Jesus believed and thus to become more like HIM and it should be clear to all serious minded Christians that you cannot do this while believing like those who killed HIM. And as a Christian if you do not believe Jesus would order man to kill his brethren for all sorts of reasons you are love-duty-bound in good conscience to reject such writings and beliefs of ancient man compiled by the church that indicate otherwise. To the true Christian the teachings of Jesus are the teachings of God not the teachings of those who rejected and killed Him.
This is why you are so confused, Ludlow. This is why you consistently lie and no longer place "value" on truth. Ludlow. You have given your loyalty to the church and the book the church compiled no matter what it says or what Jesus taught. Thus, Ludlow, you are exhibiting progressive mental, moral and spiritual confusion/stagnation/degeneracy.
In short, You are LOST if you don't love-value TRUTH and RIGHTEOUSNESS, Ludlow.
Case in point: God's only begotten Son and call no man father. The first you reject. The second you misinterpret, and you say that those who don't accept your interpretation don't love God.
Jesus said why His followers are to call no man Father in the spiritual sense and when if you ever do truly grasp your sonship with God the Father, Ludlow, you will lovingly abide.
Until then, Ludlow, your loyalty has clearly been led astray by self-serving Catholic insidious dogma.
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ludlowlowell
Panama City, FL
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Catholic dogma seems insidious to worldly and fleshly minded people but it is sweet music to the ears of those who have rejected the spirit of the world.
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kb2222
Jacksonville, FL
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Catholic dogma seems insidious to worldly and fleshly minded people but it is sweet music to the ears of those who have rejected the spirit of the world.
That's right, Ludlow, its clear you have rejected the Holy Spirit of Truth, the Spirit of the Son that Jesus poured out upon the world as His replacement teacher and accepted in stead the insidious self-serving teachings of the Catholic church.
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ludlowlowell
Panama City, FL
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Listen to the Holy Spirit. Pray to Him. Ask Him where to find the truth.
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kb2222
Jacksonville, FL
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You are pathetic. Tell me why you LIE so much, Ludlow? Why did you LIE and say "KB even the pitifully handicapped that you can't bear to see" which I have never said or implied? Why do you LIE, Ludlow? Does lying make you feel good, Ludlow? If it does that's a clear sign of moral, mental and spiritual degeneracy. Are you so corrupt you are blind to this, Ludlow?
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ludlowlowell
Panama City, FL
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If you don't pray for truth you'll never find it, KB.
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followjesusonly
Kingman, AZ
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Catholic dogma seems insidious to worldly and fleshly minded people but it is sweet music to the ears of those who have rejected the spirit of the world.
Baseless self serving cathlick assertion.
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followjesusonly
Kingman, AZ
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Listen to the Holy Spirit. Pray to Him. Ask Him where to find the truth.
I did. He showed me.
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followjesusonly
Kingman, AZ
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You are pathetic. Tell me why you LIE so much, Ludlow? Why did you LIE and say "KB even the pitifully handicapped that you can't bear to see" which I have never said or implied? Why do you LIE, Ludlow? Does lying make you feel good, Ludlow? If it does that's a clear sign of moral, mental and spiritual degeneracy. Are you so corrupt you are blind to this, Ludlow?
He lies by asking slanted questions that contain a lie or a deliberately wrong premise. He is a compulsive liar. When one really starts to pay attention over time, you see that he does this ALL the time. It's non stop. There's nary a Ludlow post that goes by that doesn't contain a lie in the form of a question. It's a kneejerk reaction. And if he doesn't lie by that method, he lies by making baseless, unproveable, unverifiable assertions.
A compulsive liar is defined as someone who lies out of habit. Lying is their normal and reflexive way of responding to questions. Compulsive liars bend the truth about everything, large and small. For a compulsive liar, telling the truth is very awkward and uncomfortable while lying feels right. Compulsive lying is usually thought to develop in early childhood, due to being placed in an environment where lying was necessary. For the most part, compulsive liars are not overly manipulative and cunning (unlike sociopaths), rather they simply lie out of habit—an automatic response which is hard to break and one that takes its toll on a relationship (see how to cope with a compulsive liar).
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freegratis
Irving, TX
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@ freegratis
The real question is...When will you professed "Christians" stop subordinating your mind and thus the character of your soul to the church's infallible doctrine about the book they compiled?
Jesus did not instruct His followers to unquestionably believe in a book. He sent into the world the Holy Spirit of Truth, the Spirit of the Son as His replacement teacher not any book the church later compiled. And it is your downfall that you have so chosen to ignore and dismiss this replacement teacher that speaks within.
You can't stand the truth if it conflicts with church doctrine about the book they compiled and this is made abundantly clear in your refusal to honestly answer questions.
And you say what about the other two verses?
Num 31:17-18 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves. kjv
1Sa 15:2-3 Thus saith the LORD of hosts..., Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass. kjv
What do you see as holy and profitable for instruction in righteousness in those two verses, freegratis?
Before I get to your other two verse references, are you now agreeing that Isaiah 36:12 is God-breathed Scripture?
Or do you just want to waste time playing whack-a-mole?
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kb2222
Jacksonville, FL
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Before I get to your other two verse references, are you now agreeing that Isaiah 36:12 is God-breathed Scripture?
No, I don't agree that vulgarity is God-breathed scripture.
Again:
The real question is...When will you professed "Christians" stop subordinating your mind and thus the character of your soul to the church's infallible doctrine about the book they compiled?
Jesus did not instruct His followers to unquestionably believe in a book. He sent into the world the Holy Spirit of Truth, the Spirit of the Son as His replacement teacher not any book the church later compiled. And it is your downfall that you have so chosen to ignore and dismiss this replacement teacher that speaks within.
You can't stand the truth if it conflicts with church doctrine about the book they compiled and this is made abundantly clear in your refusal to honestly answer questions.
And you say what about the other two verses?
Num 31:17-18 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves. kjv
1Sa 15:2-3 Thus saith the LORD of hosts..., Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass. kjv
Indeed, what do you see as holy and profitable for instruction in righteousness in rejecting the teachings of Jesus and asserting that it is righteous and just to stone and burn people to death at the stake for all these absurd reasons like the Pharisees believed, freegratis?
Kill People Who Don't Listen to Priests (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)
Kill Witches (Exodus 22:17 NAB)
Kill Homosexuals (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)
Kill Fortunetellers (Leviticus 20:27 NAB)
Death for Hitting Dad (Exodus 21:15 NAB)
Death for Cursing Parents (Proverbs 20:20 NAB, Leviticus 20:9 NLT)
Death for Adultery (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)
Death for Fornication (Leviticus 21:9 NAB)
Death to Followers of Other Religions (Exodus 22:19 NAB)
Kill Nonbelievers (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)
Kill False Prophets (Zechariah 13:3 NAB)
Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God (Deuteronomy 13:13-18 NLT)
Kill Women Who Are Not Virgins On Their Wedding Night (Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB)
Kill Followers of Other Religions. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB, Deuteronomy 17:2-5 NLT)
Death for Blasphemy (Leviticus 24:10-16 NLT)
Kill False Prophets (Deuteronomy 13:1-5 NLT, Deuteronomy 18:20-22 NLT)
Infidels and Gays Should Die (Romans 1:24-32 NLT)
Kill Anyone who Approaches the Tabernacle (Numbers 1:48-51 NLT)
Kill People for Working on the Sabbath (Exodus 31:12-15 NLT)
Kill Sons of Sinners (Isaiah 14:21 NAB)
Waiting for your response, freegratis...
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ludlowlowell
Panama City, FL
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It is not a sin to use words such as dung, piss, ass, shit, b*tch, basatard, or f**k. In polite society these words might be unacceptable, and out of respect for others perhaps we should refrain from using them, and to use them as insults (calling someone a shithead, for instance) would be a sin, and for children to disobey parents and use these words would be a sin, same employer-employee or teacher-student, but in and of themselves the use of these kinds of words is not sinful.
Until the 1970s or so these words were not allowed in movies, TV, or popular music, a ban I would like to see re-instated, but these words are not sinful, merely crude. I do cringe when I hear people using them in front of children.
To reject the Bible, or the Old Testament, or the book of Isaiah because it has a couple of these words is absolutely ridiculous. If you want to reject scripture find a better excuse than that.
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bigd9832
Chicago, IL
64, joined Oct. 2007
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kb strikes again.
It sounds like the insane here is more of a drama queen.
Perhaps he is taking this "block" a bit too seriously. But I don't see what the big deal is. He doesn't seem to be having any trouble reading what I have posted.
And another thing. I have never stabbed anyone in the back. I have never killed anyone either. Or threw stones at them until he/she were dead.
Perhaps kb is having trouble distinguishing between reality and his own fantasies.
About half his list is bogus...
I can see how this list might have taken some time and research. It is hard to put all these things into the worse light you can muster. Notice how he uses the NLT and the NAB? Probably he uses the NLT only when the NAB doesn't sound bad enough.
Kill People Who Don't Listen to Priests (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)
CLV Dt 17:12 Yet the man who acts with arrogance by not hearkening at all to the priest (who is standing to minister in the name of Yahweh your Elohim) or to the judge, that man must die. Thus you will eradicate the evil from Israel,
13 and all the people shall hear and fear, and not act arrogantly again.
Not exactly "not listening." Apparently, intermittent listening will not call for death.
Death for Cursing Parents (Proverbs 20:20 NAB, Leviticus 20:9 NLT)
CLV Pr 20:20 He who maledicts his father and his mother, His lamp shall be extinguished at the approach of darkness.
His lamp might be symbolic but there is no order to kill anyone. The maledicts/slight is also used figuratively.
Death for Fornication (Leviticus 21:9 NAB)
CLV Lv 21:9 In case the daughter of a priestly man should profane herself by prostitution, she is profaning her father; with fire shall she be burned.
Being burned and being killed by fire are two very separate things.
There is no such word as "fornication." We can see how this word is used to substitute what the Scriptures actually say.
Death to Followers of Other Religions (Exodus 22:19 NAB)
CLV Ex 22:19 Anyone lying with a beast shall be put to death, yea death.
20 Anyone sacrificing to any elohim is doomed, unless it be to Yahweh, to Him alone.
Death to anyone caught lying with an animal. But no "death to followers of other religions." It sounds like they go to a "jail."
Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God (Deuteronomy 13:13-18 NLT)
CLV Dt 13:15 then you shall smite, yea smite the dwellers of that city with the edge of the sword. Doom it, all those who are in it and its domestic beasts, with the edge of the sword.
"Doom" means jail time. This could mean that they get battered around a bit.
Kill Women Who Are Not Virgins On Their Wedding Night (Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB)
There was a test involving goats blood, I think. This was the test spoken of in 20.
Kill Followers of Other Religions. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB, Deuteronomy 17:2-5 NLT)
Now, this was not all the uncommon. It was common to kill someone who worshiped another deity as many of these religions were national religions of another nation. It was tantamount to having a spy.
Infidels and Gays Should Die (Romans 1:24-32 NLT)
CLV Ro 1:32 those who, recognizing the just statute of God, that those committing such things are deserving of death, not only are doing them, but are endorsing, also, those who are committing them.
It says they are deserving of death. But the Romans would not allow the Jews to put anyone to death. They could bring their case to Rome and hope for the best.
Even Jesus could not be killed by the Jews. The temple guards were certainly capable of executions.
Kill Anyone who Approaches the Tabernacle (Numbers 1:48-51 NLT)
CLV Num 1:51 When the tabernacle is to journey the Levites shall take it down; and when the tabernacle is to encamp the Levites shall set it up. But any alien who comes near shall be put to death.
Again, this is tantamount to killing a spy. This pertained only to "aliens" or those not known to Yahweh or Israel.
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freegratis
Irving, TX
50, joined Dec. 2011
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No, I don't agree that vulgarity is God-breathed scripture.
Again:
...playing the whack-a-mole game...
Waiting for your response, freegratis...
Context KB, context. You really have to read the start of Isaiah 36.
Num 31:17-18 is really Num 31:1-24 for context. There was a plague that needed to be eradicated.
1Sa 15:2-3 is really 1Sa 15 for context and is about not obeying the command to destroy all of the Amalekites. Saul and the people showed mercy like you would KB! They thought, "No harm in taking a spoil" keeping property of the Amalekites. Saul's disobedience (possibly even arrogantly thinking he is more merciful than the Lord God) actually caused the Lord to reject Saul from being king over Israel.
The profitable instruction in righteousness is to obey is better than sacrifice.
I think bigd9832 actually gave you a line by line veto on the rest of your whack-a-mole game. The least of which was your picking different bible versions which sounded more non-scriptural. Why isn't your list all in one bible version? Did you answer bigd9832's post?
Edited to say, Oh, it looks like bigd9832 posted some of the line by line veto here. His original post called you out on picking different bible versions too.
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kb2222
Jacksonville, FL
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Whether the words at issue are sinful or not is not the issue for no one as said they were, Ludlow. The issue I raise is that they are vulgar words and therefore cannot possibly be God-breathed as alleged.
But what the f**k do you know, Ludlow? You are a shameless compulsive liar who mocks the teachings of Jesus and asserts that it is righteous and just to stone and burn your brethren to death at the stake for all those absurd reasons just like the Pharisees who rejected and killed Jesus believed.
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kb2222
Jacksonville, FL
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Context KB, context. You really have to read the start of Isaiah 36.
Num 31:17-18 is really Num 31:1-24 for context. There was a plague that needed to be eradicated.
1Sa 15:2-3 is really 1Sa 15 for context and is about not obeying the command to destroy all of the Amalekites. Saul and the people showed mercy like you would KB! They thought, "No harm in taking a spoil" keeping property of the Amalekites. Saul's disobedience (possibly even arrogantly thinking he is more merciful than the Lord God) actually caused the Lord to reject Saul from being king over Israel.
The profitable instruction in righteousness is to obey is better than sacrifice.
I think bigd9832 actually gave you a line by line veto on the rest of your whack-a-mole game. The least of which was your picking different bible versions which sounded more non-scriptural. Why isn't your list all in one bible version? Did you answer bigd9832's post?
Edited to say, Oh, it looks like bigd9832 posted some of the line by line veto here. His original post called you out on picking different bible versions too.
Bigd9832 hides behind his block and thinks no bible is correct except his CLV version and I have asked him several times if even if he thinks half of the reasons for killing people listed are erroneous what about answering my question based on the other half.
Freegratis, you know how to quote so stop evading and quote my post and answer my questions.
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freegratis
Irving, TX
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Bigd9832 hides behind his block and thinks no bible is correct except his CLV version and I have asked him several times if even if he thinks half of the reasons for killing people listed are erroneous what about answering my question based on the other half.
Freegratis, you know how to quote so stop evading and quote my post and answer my questions.
I addressed your Isa 36:12; your Num 31:17-18; your 1Sa 15:2-3; your other whack-a-mole list which shows you don't understand/agree that the wages of sin is death; and also pointed out that bigd9832 addressed line by line your whack-a-mole list.
You don't have to answer to me. You can lie to yourself all you want.
I was done with your whack-a-mole list when we talked about the wages of sin.
I have now addressed your 3 recent verses again. Isa 36:12; Num 31:17-18; 1Sa 15:2-3
Get real. If you want to accuse God's bible of not being God-breathed Scripture, you had better check the context. For starters, try 20 verses before and 20 verses after the verse you want to build doctrine with eternal consequences.
You asked what was profitable in those verses. Are you blind to not see the bolded text above -- to obey is better than sacrifice?
Edited for CLV comment: If you don't see any value in the CLV, lookup the verse in your favorite version.
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kb2222
Jacksonville, FL
76, joined Apr. 2011
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I addressed your Isa 36:12; your Num 31:17-18; your 1Sa 15:2-3; your other whack-a-mole list which shows you don't understand/agree that the wages of sin is death; and also pointed out that bigd9832 addressed line by line your whack-a-mole list.
You don't have to answer to me. You can lie to yourself all you want.
I was done with your whack-a-mole list when we talked about the wages of sin.
I have now addressed your 3 recent verses again. Isa 36:12; Num 31:17-18; 1Sa 15:2-3
Get real. If you want to accuse God's bible of not being God-breathed Scripture, you had better check the context. For starters, try 20 verses before and 20 verses after the verse you want to build doctrine with eternal consequences.
You asked what was profitable in those verses. Are you blind to not see the bolded text above -- to obey is better than sacrifice?
Edited for CLV comment: If you don't see any value in the CLV, lookup the verse in your favorite version.
You are the one who is lying to yourself. Either that or you are so perverted you don't know righteousness from wickedness or you don't care and you believe God/Jesus doesn't either. For you to profess to be a Christian and believe God/Jesus would order man to...
"slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass" and to "kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves"... is utterly DESPICABLE.
What the hell is wrong with you that you believe that is what Jesus would order man to do? What the hell is wrong with you that you believe it righteous and just to stone and burn people to death at the stake for all those absurd reasons?
You saying that to "obey is better than sacrifice" is utter nonsense. How in the hell does that justify in your mind the slaughter of men, women, children, infants and even animals? Or, the killing of non-believers? Or the killing of sons of sinners?
Is your mind truly so perverted that you actually believe it is righteous and just to kill people for all those reasons, freegratis?
Is your mind so perverted that you actually believe that is what Jesus would order man to do, freegratis?
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ludlowlowell
Panama City, FL
64, joined Feb. 2008
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KB thinks God is a milquetoast Who never punishes anybody.
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kb2222
Jacksonville, FL
76, joined Apr. 2011
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Gods not in the business of ordering man to kill people for Him. If God wanted someone dead they would be dead. Everyone dies and then they face Gods judgment, Ludlow. Your sick murderous beliefs and teachings about God clearly show your apparent total rejection of the teachings of Jesus.
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ludlowlowell
Panama City, FL
64, joined Feb. 2008
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Why can't God work through other people, if He so chooses?
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kb2222
Jacksonville, FL
76, joined Apr. 2011
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Why can't God work through other people, if He so chooses?
God does work through other people but He doesn't command man to kill people for Him, to slaughter men, women, children, infants and even animal's. That's not the nature of God that Jesus revealed and taught. Your sick murderous beliefs and teachings about God clearly show your apparent total rejection of the teachings of Jesus and even the laws of civilized society. You are no more in your heart a Christian than were those who killed Him, Ludlow.
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followjesusonly
Kingman, AZ
74, joined May. 2012
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Why can't God work through other people, if He so chooses?
Maybe God worked through Adolph Hitler to kill 6 million Jews for murdering His Son.
Maybe God worked through Osama Bin Laden to punish the United States on 9-11-2001 for Catholic priestly homosexuality and child molesting and gold mongering and disobedience.
And so on.
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