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1/30/2017 10:31:52 AM Is the Book of Revelation God-breathed Scripture?  
freegratis
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1. Yes
2. No
3. I'm lukewarm - I take some middle ground
4. I have some reservation(s) about Revelation
5. My version is. Your version is false. [Give version names]


Personally, I'm seeing what I call harmonics in the harmony of the gospels in the Book of Revelation.

What is your belief?

Is the Book of Revelation God-breathed Scripture?




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1/30/2017 10:45:10 AM Is the Book of Revelation God-breathed Scripture?  
mindya
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A poll is not going to sort the book out - unless the reader correctly identifies the "wh*re" of Babylon then it will not make any sense.

1/30/2017 12:39:59 PM Is the Book of Revelation God-breathed Scripture?  

ludlowlowell
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There was a lot of controversy about Revelation among the Christians of the second, third, and fourth centuries. In many local churches Revelation was not considered to be of an inspired nature and was not read during worship services. (Prior to a.d. 393 there was no Church-wide standardization as to which Books were inspired by God and which ones not---some dioceses would accept one list of Books as scriptural, others a different list.) In the eastern part of the Roman Empire, where most of the assorted heresies were coming from, bishops tended not to want to regard Revelation as inspired, or worthy of inclusion in the Bible, because heretics loved to distort Revelation to suit their purposes, and would call the Holy Church the wh*re of Babylon. (Some things never change.)

But it was the great Christian theologian St. Augustine, bishop of Hippo, host bishop of the Council of Hippo, eho insisted that Revelation was indeed written by John, was indeed Our Lord's revelations to John, and indeed inspired by God. Do you love the Book of Revelation? Thank St. Augustine.

"How can you tell if someone is filled with the Holy Spirit? By how much they love the Catholic Church."

--St. Augustine

"Outside the Church one can have everything except salvation."

--St. Augustine

Protestants, you might be interested to know that your hero Martin Luther hated the Book of Revelation and tried to throw it out of the Bible.

1/30/2017 1:44:19 PM Is the Book of Revelation God-breathed Scripture?  

kb2222
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If St. Augustine actually said what is quoted he was either lying or deluded.

1/30/2017 2:14:46 PM Is the Book of Revelation God-breathed Scripture?  

followjesusonly
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Quote from kb2222:
If St. Augustine actually said what is quoted he was either lying or deluded.


As far as I can tell, no one has ever been able to find that quote from Augustine that Ludlow puts up fairly often. Maybe he (Ludlow) made it up. If Augustine did say it, it's just his opinion.

1/30/2017 2:43:27 PM Is the Book of Revelation God-breathed Scripture?  

ludlowlowell
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Thanks mainly to the efforts of St. Augustine, the Book of Revelation is in the Bible.

Martin Luther wanted to kick it out of the Bible but his own followers balked at that.

1/30/2017 2:54:40 PM Is the Book of Revelation God-breathed Scripture?  

followjesusonly
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Quote from ludlowlowell:
Thanks mainly to the efforts of St. Augustine, the Book of Revelation is in the Bible.

Martin Luther wanted to kick it out of the Bible but his own followers balked at that.


Who cares? It's all irrelevant.

1/30/2017 3:43:23 PM Is the Book of Revelation God-breathed Scripture?  

ludlowlowell
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Why are the origins of the various Books of the Bible irrelevent, FJO? If we don't know a particular Book's historic background, how are we going to properly interpret that paricular Book?



[Edited 1/30/2017 3:43:40 PM ]

1/30/2017 4:53:06 PM Is the Book of Revelation God-breathed Scripture?  

kb2222
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According to you the pope is your infallible teacher so why haven't you already been taught to correctly interpret Revelation? Go ask the pope or his priests. They should know, Ludlow, so ask them to tell you.

1/30/2017 6:14:36 PM Is the Book of Revelation God-breathed Scripture?  

pmg920
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All scripture is God-breathed and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness. 2 Tim. 3:16

1/30/2017 6:30:23 PM Is the Book of Revelation God-breathed Scripture?  

followjesusonly
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Quote from pmg920:
All scripture is God-breathed and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness. 2 Tim. 3:16


How about this scripture verse? How is this God-breathed and profitable for instruction in righteousness? Tell me what is holy about this verse.

Isa 36:12 But Rabshakeh said, Hath my master sent me to thy master and to thee to speak these words? hath he not sent me to the men that sit upon the wall, that they may eat their own dung, and drink their own piss with you?

1/30/2017 6:41:04 PM Is the Book of Revelation God-breathed Scripture?  

tnteacher101
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Quote from freegratis:
Personally, I'm seeing what I call harmonics in the harmony of the gospels in the Book of Revelation.

What is your belief?

Is the Book of Revelation God-breathed Scripture?


Free: My undersranding of Revelation is not very high at all. I have read it a few times but I simply do not understand it too well. I have not studied Relevation like I have studied the rest of the New Testimony. I know that Revelation shows some agreement/support of the lawless and heaten teachings of what Paul rambles on and on about so much. So for Revelation to have any agreement with Paul, in my humble opinion, is a weak area of teaching in Revelation. Of course any agreement with Paul's lawless teachings could have been done in 325 AD at the Council of Nicaea when the Sun worshipper Constantine and his hired band of lawless Roman Catholics had their way/molested lots of the New Testimony.

I think it is doubtful that the same John that wrote John I, II and III and the Gospel of John also wrote Revelation. No book in the Bible is even close to be being similar to Revelation. I have read several times that Revelation was almost not included in the New Testimony. Revelation supposedly went into the Bible by a single vote over the opposition.

Free: So, to answer your original question I would have to say that "I am lukewarm - I take the middle ground".

Steve

1/30/2017 6:44:20 PM Is the Book of Revelation God-breathed Scripture?  

kb2222
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Quote from followjesusonly:
How about this scripture verse? How is this God-breathed and profitable for instruction in righteousness? Tell me what is holy about this verse.

Isa 36:12 But Rabshakeh said, Hath my master sent me to thy master and to thee to speak these words? hath he not sent me to the men that sit upon the wall, that they may eat their own dung, and drink their own piss with you?

Let's don't leave out these Two.

Num 31:17-18 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves. kjv

1Sa 15:2-3 Thus saith the LORD of hosts..., Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass. kjv

Well, pmg920, what do you see "profitable for instruction in righteousness" in those verses?

1/30/2017 7:24:38 PM Is the Book of Revelation God-breathed Scripture?  

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Yes...



1/30/2017 7:35:36 PM Is the Book of Revelation God-breathed Scripture?  

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If one doubts the validity of the book of Revelation then there are parts of the book of Danial that will have to be questioned. Some prophetic passages in Danial are very similar to what John was shown in Revelation.

As long as there are final exams there will always be prayer in schools.



[Edited 1/30/2017 7:36:15 PM ]

1/30/2017 10:00:57 PM Is the Book of Revelation God-breathed Scripture?  

bigd9832
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I am not sure why you might doubt it.

1/30/2017 11:02:26 PM Is the Book of Revelation God-breathed Scripture?  

iam_resurrected
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100%

1/30/2017 11:04:45 PM Is the Book of Revelation God-breathed Scripture?  

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Quote from indianadave1951:
As long as there are final exams there will always be prayer in schools.






1/31/2017 9:47:57 AM Is the Book of Revelation God-breathed Scripture?  
freegratis
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Quote from pmg920:
All scripture is God-breathed and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness. 2 Tim. 3:16


Yes, but the question is do you believe that the Book of Revelation is scripture. Some may say no, and then it seems they will not profit from its doctrine, etc. Also in this forum, there are people who might say 2 Timothy is not scripture. Not that I agree with them, but if we don't agree upon the bible as being scripture, discussions/arguments will not come to a conclusion among men/women and they will have to wait to be instructed/judged by God.

Put another way, "What is All scripture?"

1/31/2017 10:01:12 AM Is the Book of Revelation God-breathed Scripture?  
freegratis
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Quote from indianadave1951:
If one doubts the validity of the book of Revelation then there are parts of the book of Danial that will have to be questioned. Some prophetic passages in Danial are very similar to what John was shown in Revelation.

As long as there are final exams there will always be prayer in schools.


Hahaha and there are no atheists in foxholes.

1/31/2017 10:20:18 AM Is the Book of Revelation God-breathed Scripture?  

kb2222
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Quote from freegratis:
Yes, but the question is do you believe that the Book of Revelation is scripture. Some may say no, and then it seems they will not profit from its doctrine, etc. Also in this forum, there are people who might say 2 Timothy is not scripture. Not that I agree with them, but if we don't agree upon the bible as being scripture, discussions/arguments will not come to a conclusion among men/women and they will have to wait to be instructed/judged by God.

Put another way, "What is All scripture?"

The real question is...When will you professed "Christians" stop subordinating your mind and thus the character of your soul to the church's infallible doctrine about the book they compiled?

Jesus did not instruct His followers to unquestionably believe in a book. He sent into the world the Holy Spirit of Truth, the Spirit of the Son as His replacement teacher not any book the church later compiled. And it is your downfall that you have so chosen to ignore and dismiss this replacement teacher that speaks within.

You can't stand the truth if it conflicts with church doctrine about the book they compiled and this is made abundantly clear and your refusal to honestly answer questions.

Num 31:17-18 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves. kjv

1Sa 15:2-3 Thus saith the LORD of hosts..., Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass. kjv

Isa 36:12 But Rabshakeh said, Hath my master sent me to thy master and to thee to speak these words? hath he not sent me to the men that sit upon the wall, that they may eat their own dung, and drink their own piss with you?

Tell me what you "Christians" see as holy and profitable for instruction in righteousness in those verses?

1/31/2017 10:40:47 AM Is the Book of Revelation God-breathed Scripture?  

iam_resurrected
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KB, you are an idiot.

with or without the bible I would still believe in Jesus.

I just use the bible to feel his presence.

ODD huh, I open the bible to feel the presence of God.

that is something however YOU CANNOT DO with the book of urantia...feel God's holy presence...

1/31/2017 10:55:27 AM Is the Book of Revelation God-breathed Scripture?  

kb2222
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If you truly feel the presence of God then honestly tell me what you see as holy and profitable for instruction in righteousness in those verses?

1/31/2017 11:20:56 AM Is the Book of Revelation God-breathed Scripture?  
freegratis
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Quote from kb2222:
...

Isa 36:12 But Rabshakeh said, Hath my master sent me to thy master and to thee to speak these words? hath he not sent me to the men that sit upon the wall, that they may eat their own dung, and drink their own piss with you?

Tell me what you "Christians" see as holy and profitable for instruction in righteousness in those verses?


KB, You may want to read the entire chapter of Isaiah 36 instead of building some false accusational doctrine from verse 12 alone.

Rabshakeh was sent by the evil king of Assyria, who also was telling them not to trust in the Lord for their deliverance from that evil king of Assyria.

It's like the bible recording the folly of instructing someone not to trust in the Lord.
Now be instructed, rebuked, corrected and trained in righteousness.

1/31/2017 11:29:27 AM Is the Book of Revelation God-breathed Scripture?  

iam_resurrected
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Quote from kb2222:
If you truly feel the presence of God then honestly tell me what you see as holy and profitable for instruction in righteousness in those verses?



an enemy to God is just that an enemy to God.

whether the enemy is the devil or people who choose sin over God are enemies of God...their choice and they made it.

knowing we are in spiritual warfare all enemies of God then become our enemy.

when God kicked Satan from heaven or when he allowed his people to be enslaved or a ruler was killed so a true man of God could be the leader of the people I believe in it simply because WE ARE ORDERED TO SEPARATE OURSELVES.

we are in the world but NOT of it.

so, we have enemies like God had.



your angels are not angels KB but DEMONS who wrote the urantia...you are DEMON POSSESSED!!!

1/31/2017 11:32:50 AM Is the Book of Revelation God-breathed Scripture?  

kb2222
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Quote from freegratis:
KB, You may want to read the entire chapter of Isaiah 36 instead of building some false accusational doctrine from verse 12 alone.

Rabshakeh was sent by the evil king of Assyria, who also was telling them not to trust in the Lord for their deliverance from that evil king of Assyria.

It's like the bible recording the folly of instructing someone not to trust in the Lord.
Now be instructed, rebuked, corrected and trained in righteousness.

And you say what about the other two verses?

Num 31:17-18 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves. kjv

1Sa 15:2-3 Thus saith the LORD of hosts..., Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass. kjv

1/31/2017 11:53:21 AM Is the Book of Revelation God-breathed Scripture?  
_ladybug_
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Quote from pmg920:
All scripture is God-breathed and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness. 2 Tim. 3:16



I agree with pmg 100%. Revelation, YES, IS ABSOLUTELY God breathed Scripture! I've read it several times and will read it again. I have also attended Bible study classes on this book of which I believe and enjoyed the studies. Reading and understanding this book, the revealing of Christ Jesus is an awesome book, very uplifting too for all true believers. For all unbelievers, especially those who've rejected Christ Jesus and take the mark of the beast, my heart truly breaks for what horrendous things that will befall on them during the 7 years Tribulation.

Blessed is the one who reads aloud the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear it and take to heart what is written in it, because the time is near.
Revelation 1:3

1/31/2017 1:00:22 PM Is the Book of Revelation God-breathed Scripture?  

kb2222
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@ ladybug

Have you actually read the Bible? How is it you appear not to know that the Bible is rampant with God supposedly ordering the destruction of nations and the slaughter of men, women, children and infants he supposedly found displeasure with so the Israelites could prosper?

1/31/2017 1:23:49 PM Is the Book of Revelation God-breathed Scripture?  

iam_resurrected
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Quote from kb2222:
@ ladybug

Have you actually read the Bible? How is it you appear not to know that the Bible is rampant with God supposedly ordering the destruction of nations and the slaughter of men, women, children and infants he supposedly found displeasure with so the Israelites could prosper?



this is an attempt to remove the BLOOD from the bible.

what is our sins conditioned to?

the BLOOD.

so by removing the blood within the scriptures you weaken the point of why Christ died.

CLEARLY, that is MOTIVE and you are a worker of the DEVIL!!!



[Edited 1/31/2017 1:24:07 PM ]

1/31/2017 1:31:13 PM Is the Book of Revelation God-breathed Scripture?  

kb2222
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You are obviously going nuts.

1/31/2017 1:34:48 PM Is the Book of Revelation God-breathed Scripture?  

iam_resurrected
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you obviously speak with a forked tongue

1/31/2017 1:53:11 PM Is the Book of Revelation God-breathed Scripture?  

iam_resurrected
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since most of your points about God not killing nor allowing bloodshed of his followers during the days of the LAW reveals only one thing.

I PLEAD THE BLOOD OF JESUS CHRIST OF NAZARETH OVER YOU!!!

1/31/2017 2:01:02 PM Is the Book of Revelation God-breathed Scripture?  

iam_resurrected
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Kill People Who Don't Listen to Priests (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)
Kill Witches (Exodus 22:17 NAB)
Kill Homosexuals (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)
Kill Fortunetellers (Leviticus 20:27 NAB)
Death for Hitting Dad (Exodus 21:15 NAB)
Death for Cursing Parents (Proverbs 20:20 NAB, Leviticus 20:9 NLT)
Death for Adultery (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)
Death for Fornication (Leviticus 21:9 NAB)
Death to Followers of Other Religions (Exodus 22:19 NAB)
Kill Nonbelievers (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)
Kill False Prophets (Zechariah 13:3 NAB)
Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God (Deuteronomy 13:13-18 NLT)
Kill Women Who Are Not Virgins On Their Wedding Night (Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB)
Kill Followers of Other Religions. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB, Deuteronomy 17:2-5 NLT)
Death for Blasphemy (Leviticus 24:10-16 NLT)
Kill False Prophets (Deuteronomy 13:1-5 NLT, Deuteronomy 18:20-22 NLT)
Infidels and Gays Should Die (Romans 1:24-32 NLT)
Kill Anyone who Approaches the Tabernacle (Numbers 1:48-51 NLT)
Kill People for Working on the Sabbath (Exodus 31:12-15 NLT)

iam_resurrected, do you really believe it is righteous and just to kill people for those reasons?

Do you actually believe that is what Jesus would order man to do?

Do you actually believe God is so murderous and filled with wrath, vengeance and a blood lust that He would order man to slaughter untold thousands of animals for centuries as a appeasement sacrifice and then require His own Son's death in a horrible crucifixion as a blood sacrifice before He would forgive man for sin?

If you believe Jesus' death was necessary as a blood sacrifice to atone for the sin of man then why didn't Jesus come as said sacrifice before God supposedly found it necessary to destroy everyone in the world except Noah and his family in a worldwide flood?








just go through this entire list and it is BLOOD REMOVAL from scripture.


you are a DECEIVER

1/31/2017 2:03:27 PM Is the Book of Revelation God-breathed Scripture?  

iam_resurrected
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you even try to omit why Christ died...


YOU ARE THE DEVIL!!!

1/31/2017 2:05:53 PM Is the Book of Revelation God-breathed Scripture?  

iam_resurrected
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I hope anyone with a clue is rebuking you and binding you in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth right now!!!



[Edited 1/31/2017 2:06:07 PM ]

1/31/2017 2:19:01 PM Is the Book of Revelation God-breathed Scripture?  

followjesusonly
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Quote from iam_resurrected:
KB, you are an idiot.

with or without the bible I would still believe in Jesus.


And I say the exact same thing. With or without the bible I would still believe in Jesus.

I just use the bible to feel his presence.


And I could say much the same. I could say, "I just use The Urantia Book to feel his presence."

ODD huh, I open the bible to feel the presence of God.


Not so odd. I could say "I open The Urantia Book to feel the presence of God."

that is something however YOU CANNOT DO with the book of urantia...feel God's holy presence...


That's not true at all. A Urantia Book believer CAN do that with The Urantia Book.

1/31/2017 2:19:53 PM Is the Book of Revelation God-breathed Scripture?  

followjesusonly
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Quote from iam_resurrected:
since most of your points about God not killing nor allowing bloodshed of his followers during the days of the LAW reveals only one thing.

I PLEAD THE BLOOD OF JESUS CHRIST OF NAZARETH OVER YOU!!!


You are becoming hysterical. If you have meds to take, take them now.

1/31/2017 2:22:42 PM Is the Book of Revelation God-breathed Scripture?  

followjesusonly
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Quote from iam_resurrected:
you even try to omit why Christ died...

YOU ARE THE DEVIL!!!


Jesus died because his heart stopped. Clearly, becoming a doctor should not be one of your career choices. Please take your hysterical meds. And also control your exclamation points. One is enough.

1/31/2017 2:25:28 PM Is the Book of Revelation God-breathed Scripture?  

iam_resurrected
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name your angels who wrote the Urantia for me?

1/31/2017 2:42:00 PM Is the Book of Revelation God-breathed Scripture?  

ludlowlowell
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Quote from followjesusonly:
Jesus died because his heart stopped. Clearly, becoming a doctor should not be one of your career choices. Please take your hysterical meds. And also control your exclamation points. One is enough.


Some trust in their own righteousness. Others falsely trust in a milquetoast God Who nis too wimpy to punish anyone for anything. Still others trust in the Precious Blood of Jesus Christ the Lord.

1/31/2017 4:34:01 PM Is the Book of Revelation God-breathed Scripture?  

followjesusonly
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Quote from ludlowlowell:
Some trust in their own righteousness. Others falsely trust in a milquetoast God Who nis too wimpy to punish anyone for anything. Still others trust in the Precious Blood of Jesus Christ the Lord.


You do not know God.

You do not love God.

The truth is not in you.

"If a man love me, he will keep my words."(John 14:23)
"He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings." (John 14:24)

He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. (1 John 2:4)

You are not a follower of Jesus.

If you trusted "in the Precious Blood of Jesus Christ the Lord." you would obey Him.

1/31/2017 4:34:46 PM Is the Book of Revelation God-breathed Scripture?  

followjesusonly
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Quote from iam_resurrected:
name your angels who wrote the Urantia for me?


I did. On another thread.

1/31/2017 4:38:33 PM Is the Book of Revelation God-breathed Scripture?  
freegratis
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Quote from kb2222:
And you say what about the other two verses?

Num 31:17-18 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves. kjv

1Sa 15:2-3 Thus saith the LORD of hosts..., Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass. kjv


You don't agree that the wages of sin is death, so we are at an impasse.

1/31/2017 4:42:45 PM Is the Book of Revelation God-breathed Scripture?  

followjesusonly
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Quote from freegratis:
You don't agree that the wages of sin is death, so we are at an impasse.


I am sure that KB DOES believe that the wages of sin is death, but that has nothing to do with those verses.

1/31/2017 5:14:58 PM Is the Book of Revelation God-breathed Scripture?  
freegratis
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Quote from followjesusonly:
I am sure that KB DOES believe that the wages of sin is death, but that has nothing to do with those verses.


KB's answer was "it depends" in a different thread. Speak for yourself.

1/31/2017 5:19:35 PM Is the Book of Revelation God-breathed Scripture?  

kb2222
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Quote from freegratis:
KB's answer was "it depends" in a different thread. Speak for yourself.

Yes, I said it depends and I gave examples of what I don't think applies to death such as picking up sticks on the Sabbath, etc. and this has nothing to do with the quoted verses.

1/31/2017 5:37:05 PM Is the Book of Revelation God-breathed Scripture?  

followjesusonly
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Quote from freegratis:
KB's answer was "it depends" in a different thread. Speak for yourself.




1/31/2017 5:39:41 PM Is the Book of Revelation God-breathed Scripture?  

followjesusonly
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Quote from freegratis:
KB's answer was "it depends" in a different thread. Speak for yourself.


Thus saith the LORD of hosts..., Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass, and kill them all because they picked up sticks on Saturday.



1/31/2017 6:55:37 PM Is the Book of Revelation God-breathed Scripture?  

pmg920
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The book of Revelation is scripture because it addresses the needs of Christians in actual churches that John was writing to. The message can be applied to our daily lives with Christ and to know that we are victorious with Him through "the blood of the Lamb." Also, Satan will be defeated and cast into the Lake of Fire.

1/31/2017 8:05:23 PM Is the Book of Revelation God-breathed Scripture?  

ludlowlowell
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Revelation is not scripture because it is a book that addresses the needs of Christians. Didache, letter of Clement, Shepherd of Hermas, tge Godpel of Barbabus, the letters of Ignatius of Antioch, and many more first and second century Christian documents did that. Revelation is scripture because it was inspired by God in a special way, as were the other 72 books of the Bible. How do we know Revelation was inspired? How do we know the other 72 books were inspired? Only because our holy mother the Catholic Church says so.

Which came first, the chicken or the egg? We don't know which one God created first. Which came first, the Bible or the Catholic Church? That one we do know---the Church came first by about four centuries.

1/31/2017 8:08:03 PM Is the Book of Revelation God-breathed Scripture?  

followjesusonly
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[]Quote from pmg920:[/][]The book of Revelation is scripture because it addresses the needs of Christians in actual churches that John was writing to. The message can be applied to our daily lives with Christ and to know that we are victorious with Him through "the blood of the Lamb." Also, Satan will be defeated and cast into the Lake of Fire.[/]

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You are victorious with Him through doing what He said to do, the Father's will.

...Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life? (Luke 10:25)

"Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbor as thyself." (Luke 10:27)

"...love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your strength, and with all your mind; and your neighbor as your self." (Luke 10:27)

"Not every one who says to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven." (Matthew 7:21)

2/1/2017 12:08:02 AM Is the Book of Revelation God-breathed Scripture?  
lmfc7_9
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Quote from iam_resurrected:
your angels are not angels KB but DEMONS who wrote the urantia...you are DEMON POSSESSED!!!
URANTIA was NOT spiritually channeled. It was not mediumship. Nor was it spiritualism. Nor Spiritism.
Do you want the real proofs?. Do you really want proofs of what i'm saying here, iam_resurrected???!!!. Here it is!!!. Here are the two free online books about it!:
http://www.world-destiny.org/birth/birthtoc.htm
http://609g.biz.ht
And guess what, URANTIA is against spiritual channellings!!! (emphases mine):
77:8.11 (865.4) The 1,111 loyal secondary midwayers are engaged in important missions on earth. As compared with their primary associates, they are decidedly material. They exist just outside the range of mortal vision and possess sufficient latitude of adaptation to make, at will, physical contact with what humans call “material things.” These unique creatures have certain definite powers over the things of time and space, not excepting the beasts of the realm.
77:8.12 (865.5) Many of the more literal phenomena ascribed to angels have been performed by the secondary midway creatures. When the early teachers of the gospel of Jesus were thrown into prison by the ignorant religious leaders of that day, an actual “angel of the Lord” “by night opened the prison doors and brought them forth.” But in the case of Peter’s deliverance after the killing of James by Herod’s order, it was a secondary midwayer who performed the work ascribed to an angel.
77:8.13 (865.6) Their chief work today is that of unperceived personal-liaison associates of those men and women who constitute the planetary reserve corps of destiny. It was the work of this secondary group, ably seconded by certain of the primary corps, that brought about the co-ordination of personalities and circumstances on Urantia which finally induced the planetary celestial supervisors to initiate those petitions that resulted in the granting of the mandates making possible the series of revelations of which this presentation is a part. But it should be made clear that the midway creatures are not involved in the sordid performances taking place under the general designation of “spiritualism.” The midwayers at present on Urantia, all of whom are of honorable standing, are not connected with the phenomena of so-called “mediumship”; and they do not, ordinarily, permit humans to witness their sometimes necessary physical activities or other contacts with the material world, as they are perceived by human senses.
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2/1/2017 1:05:34 AM Is the Book of Revelation God-breathed Scripture?  

followjesusonly
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Quote from ludlowlowell:
Revelation is not scripture because it is a book that addresses the needs of Christians. Didache, letter of Clement, Shepherd of Hermas, tge Godpel of Barbabus, the letters of Ignatius of Antioch, and many more first and second century Christian documents did that. Revelation is scripture because it was inspired by God in a special way, as were the other 72 books of the Bible. How do we know Revelation was inspired? How do we know the other 72 books were inspired? Only because our holy mother the Catholic Church says so.

Which came first, the chicken or the egg? We don't know which one God created first. Which came first, the Bible or the Catholic Church? That one we do know---the Church came first by about four centuries.


And your church IS Jesus, right? That's what you have said. Here's an exact quote:

Jesus IS the Church, and the Church is Jesus.
Jesus=Church
Church=Jesus
Jesus=Church
Church=Jesus
Jesus=Church
Church=Jesus -Ludlow the cathlick. Exact quote.



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2/1/2017 4:20:34 AM Is the Book of Revelation God-breathed Scripture?  

ludlowlowell
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Quote from followjesusonly:
And your church IS Jesus, right? That's what you have said. Here's an exact quote:

Jesus IS the Church, and the Church is Jesus.
Jesus=Church
Church=Jesus
Jesus=Church
Church=Jesus
Jesus=Church
Church=Jesus -Ludlow the cathlick. Exact quote.


Right on! The Catholic Church is beautiful and wonderful, because its Founder and Savior Jesus is beautiful and wonderful.

2/1/2017 9:43:56 AM Is the Book of Revelation God-breathed Scripture?  

kb2222
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Ludlow, you are just a sick, corrupt, lying, depraved, hypocrite who believes it is righteous and just to stone and burn people to death at the stake if they don't believe as you do and you even call your own pope a "utter idiot" which makes you also a heretic.

You are one sick, depraved, wicked-minded, individual, Ludlow, and you are so utterly debased you don't care.

2/1/2017 11:42:39 AM Is the Book of Revelation God-breathed Scripture?  

iam_resurrected
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Quote from kb2222:
Ludlow, you are just a sick, corrupt, lying, depraved, hypocrite who believes it is righteous and just to stone and burn people to death at the stake if they don't believe as you do and you even call your own pope a "utter idiot" which makes you also a heretic.

You are one sick, depraved, wicked-minded, individual, Ludlow, and you are so utterly debased you don't care.




everything you just posted DESCRIBES YOURSELF PERFECTLY.

ANYONE who removes the BLOOD from scriptures is a clear worker of SATAN!!!

2/1/2017 12:19:31 PM Is the Book of Revelation God-breathed Scripture?  

iam_resurrected
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nope, he does not have a blood lust but he does have ways to cover the sins of man if you chose to have your sins forgiven and removed.

there is but one atonement for sins and that is the BLOOD.

Jesus is specific the BLOOD of Hm is important.

Jesus is GOD and the Spirit of God within the body of Christ is Jehova.

so, if He says BLOOD is a must and important than he is whom I follow.

not some liar like YOU!!!

who thinks it is right to remove the blood.

that makes you a worker of Satan if you want to remove the BLOOD of Christ.



take a look at the new discoveries in the shroud of Jesus and look at all of that blood.

science took the blood and found bilirubin which indicates Christ was beaten and tortured.
his blood indicates no clotting which in trauma there would not be and never is clotting.
his blood also was xx chromosome to prove no father or virgin birth.
the blood found around the nostril area indicated what the purpose of crucifixion was..to suffocate and as result there are residue of Obstructive Pulmonary conditions.

SO, without the BLOOD of JESUS we would not know the importance of this SHROUD of CHRIST.

the BLOOD is important to all true believers and if you do not believe it indicates you do not follow CHRIST.

this makes you a follower of SATAN.



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2/1/2017 1:15:52 PM Is the Book of Revelation God-breathed Scripture?  
freegratis
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Quote from followjesusonly:
Thus saith the LORD of hosts..., Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass, and kill them all because they picked up sticks on Saturday.



Where is your shock and horror over Adam and Eve being expelled from the Garden of Eden over eating from a certain tree? Maybe they did not surely die as God said, making God a liar in your eyes?

The fundamental problem is the creature not doing what the Creator commands. And the wages of that.

Keep believing that you do all that the Creator commands in Luke 10:27 if you want to remain deluded.

2/1/2017 1:54:55 PM Is the Book of Revelation God-breathed Scripture?  

followjesusonly
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Quote from freegratis:
Where is your shock and horror over Adam and Eve being expelled from the Garden of Eden over eating from a certain tree?


Well, that's not what happened at all. If you want to know why Adam and Eve were expelled from the Garden, you'll have to read Papers 74-77 in The Urantia Book.

That story is 38,000 years old. It's a wonder we have any version of it in the Book of Genesis. But we do. And Genesis is a wonderful book really, but it's not exactly what happened. We have the angelic records of those days now.

Paper 74. Adam and Eve
Paper 75. The Default of Adam and Eve
Paper 76. The Second Garden
Paper 77. The Midway Creatures

It's about 34 pages in the book all total. 38,000 years ago. Read them and then we can talk.

Maybe they did not surely die as God said, making God a liar in your eyes?


They died, but only mortal deaths. "The wages of sin is death." Rom 6:23, refers to personality extinction, not mortal death.

The fundamental problem is the creature not doing what the Creator commands. And the wages of that.


Yes, I agree.

Keep believing that you do all that the Creator commands in Luke 10:27 if you want to remain deluded.


You're the one deluded, not me. God does not kill people for picking up sticks on Saturday, nor does God have US do His killing for Him, and "death" means total personality extinction, wiped from the Universe, it doesn't mean mortal dying.

2/1/2017 2:50:39 PM Is the Book of Revelation God-breathed Scripture?  
freegratis
Irving, TX
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Quote from followjesusonly:
Well, that's not what happened at all. If you want to know why Adam and Eve were expelled from the Garden, you'll have to read Papers 74-77 in The Urantia Book.

That story is 38,000 years old. It's a wonder we have any version of it in the Book of Genesis. But we do. And Genesis is a wonderful book really, but it's not exactly what happened. We have the angelic records of those days now.

Paper 74. Adam and Eve
Paper 75. The Default of Adam and Eve
Paper 76. The Second Garden
Paper 77. The Midway Creatures

It's about 34 pages in the book all total. 38,000 years ago. Read them and then we can talk.


I'll stick to God-breathed Scripture for the account of Genesis, thanks.

If I want a laugh, I'll read the Urantia Book.

What's 38,000 years (which it is not) when you blindly accept Urantian statements about 987,000,000,000 years ago?

Quote from The Urantia Book (Paper 57):

57:1.3 (651.5) 987,000,000,000 years ago associate force organizer and then acting inspector number 811,307 of the Orvonton series, traveling out from Uversa, reported to the Ancients of Days that space conditions were favorable for the initiation of materialization phenomena in a certain sector of the, then, easterly segment of Orvonton.


I remember when you were whining about a 400 year difference between OT and NT.

Like I said before, since we disagree on what is God-breathed Scripture, we are at an impasse.

Just followURANTIAonly and see how that works out for you.

You claim that you obey Luke 10:27. This is delusional!!!. Learn what the word "all" means. Then see if you can find out what the true Good News is, which can save you.

Today, if only you would hear his voice, Do not harden your hearts


2 Thessalonians 2:7-12
For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He who now restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way. 8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming. 9 The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, 10 and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, 12 that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.