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indianadave1951 Mishawaka, IN 66, joined Dec. 2010	Actually the "ORIGINAL text" for the Gospel of Christ, "did not" include, the virgin birth. The virgin birth, was "added", by the Romans (who were pagan). God prophesied through the prophet Isaiah that a virgin would give birth to Immanuel: Isaiah 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel. Biblical scholars These are unbelievers masquerading as religiously trained individuals. They are of the same spirit as the Pharisees: unbelievers who had religious power and maligned what scripture taught in order to maintain that power even at the expense of turning their converts into twice the son of hell that they were. Oh, the New Testament was written in Greek, not Hebrew. [Edited 4/13/2017 7:32:35 PM ] Meet singles at DateHookup.dating, we're 100% free! Join now!
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followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 74, joined May. 2012	Quote from cupocheer: The best translation was the original translation which came from closer to the root source. Hebrew. What "original translation" are you talking about? Does it have a name? Are you talking about the OT? Or the NT? Do you think the root source language of the New Testament was Hebrew? I don't think you know a lot about this subject. Did you watch the Ehrman video I gave you the link to? Here it is again: https://youtu.be/pfheSAcCsrE
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cupocheer Assumption, IL 68, joined May. 2010	May I interject here, please? As far as I can tell it still requires sperm and and egg to join and fertilize to produce a human embryo which gestates and, barring any complications, a human birth of another human will occur. It requires intercourse and copulation between a male and female for this miracle to happen. Before I had sex with my husband and conceived my first child I was a virgin. However, I did not birth the Messiah. My point is: all females who have not engaged in sexual ual intercourse are virgins. Why is the book of Isaiah saying something which isn't unusual for billions of women? See?
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followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 74, joined May. 2012	Quote from cupocheer: May I interject here, please? As far as I can tell it still requires sperm and and egg to join and fertilize to produce a human embryo which gestates and, barring any complications, a human birth of another human will occur. It requires intercourse and copulation between a male and female for this miracle to happen. Before I had sex with my husband and conceived my first child I was a virgin. However, I did not birth the Messiah. My point is: all females who have not engaged in sexual ual intercourse are virgins. Why is the book of Isaiah saying something which isn't unusual for billions of women? See? Some Christianity claims that Mary was a virgin still on the day she gave birth, and the crazy Cathlicks have taken that all the way and said she was a virgin all her life.
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_ladybug_ Paragould, AR 66, joined Sep. 2013	Quote from blake6972: I don't have time to read through all this thread, but I will say this... Without the virgin birth there is NO SALVATION. No redemption. Of course the virgin birth was real. Duh. Anyone who says it is a myth doesn't know The Word of God . God is NOT the author of confusion. Satan is the father of lies. He ain't nothing but a foot stool. It is FINISHED!!! The moment the hammer hit the first nail he knew he was truly defeated. But, he wants to destroy as many lives as possible before he goes to that bottomless pit. Hence stupid stories about how the virgin birth isn't true. It is to be expected though, and some. Amen brother, for you speak the truth!! To believe such a lie also publicly screams ... I'm not a true believer! This Pastor explains it and to the point. Preacher's Pulpit Dr. Joe Tims SUBJ: THE VIRGIN BIRTH The Bible teaches that Jesus Christ was begotten of the Holy Ghost in a miraculous manner; born of Mary, a virgin, as no other man was ever born or ever will be born of woman, and He is both the Son of God and God the Son. Satan tries to discredit our Savior by raising up men who deny our Lord's exclusive claim to the Virgin Birth. But those who deny the Virgin Birth are guilty of blasphemy. To claim that Christ was conceived illegitimately, by accusing Mary of immorality, denies the Deity of Christ and lays claim to the Bible as untrue. Some have reported that other virgins have been known to conceive, but always brought forth a female child. They claim that the only thing that made Jesus' conception and birth unique is that He was the only male child born of a virgin. This report is an outright lie of the devil! There has never been but one Virgin Birth and there will never be another. Only Jesus Christ can claim to be born of a virgin. There is no problem in believing the Virgin Birth of Christ if a person accepts the Bible as the true Word of God. The Scriptures are exceedingly plain in its account of the Virgin Birth. Those who refuse to believe in the Virgin Birth of Christ are not Christians. They do not know Him Who to know is eternal life. They cannot be saved since they deny this cardinal truth. It was through natural conception and birth that we received the nature to sin. Therefore, in order for Christ to become human and yet be without sin, God had to devise a plan to bypass the natural means of birth and give us a Savior without sin. That would be the true Holy Bible, 66 books within. NOT the Catholic Bible which has been changed by the Catholics. God will deal with them, for He warns to NOT change His Inspired Word as written through men He chose.
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ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 64, joined Feb. 2008	Um, excuse me Ladybug, but the Catholic Bible also says that Jesus was born of a virgin.
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followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 74, joined May. 2012	Quote from blake6972: I don't have time to read through all this thread, but I will say this... Without the virgin birth there is NO SALVATION ============================================================================= Well that can't be true, blake. Jesus never said any such thing. And Jesus was asked about that point blank. Luke 10:25 ...Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life? Luke 10:26 [Jesus] said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou? Luke 10:27 And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself. Luke 10:28 And [Jesus] said unto him, "Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live." "Not every one who says to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven." (Matthew 7:21) "For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother." (Matthew 12:50) So you see, blake, all you have to do, all you MUST do, is the Father's will, to be saved. The virgin birth doctrine is a doctrine of men, it's not from God. It doesn't matter to anyone's salvation if Mary was a virgin or not. Don't add to what Jesus said. That's what the abomination of the Catholick church does.
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followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 74, joined May. 2012	ladybug says: "by accusing Mary of immorality" No one is doing that. Mary and Joseph were normal people and they courted and got married normally and had sex normally and conceived a baby (who God made into Jesus) normally. Virgin births are "signs and wonders" and Jesus doesn't approve of them. "Except ye see signs and wonders, ye will not believe." (John 4:48) 122:5.8 When Joseph was a young man, he was employed by Mary’s father in the work of building an addition to his house, and it was when Mary brought Joseph a cup of water, during a noontime meal, that the courtship of the pair who were destined to become the parents of Jesus really began. 122:5.9 Joseph and Mary were married, in accordance with Jewish custom, at Mary’s home in the environs of Nazareth when Joseph was twenty-one years old. This marriage concluded a normal courtship of almost two years’ duration. Shortly thereafter they moved into their new home in Nazareth, which had been built by Joseph with the assistance of two of his brothers. The house was located near the foot of the near-by elevated land which so charmingly overlooked the surrounding countryside. In this home, especially prepared, these young and expectant parents had thought to welcome the child of promise, little realizing that this momentous event of a universe was to transpire while they would be absent from home in Bethlehem of Judea. -The Urantia Book And those awful Cathlicks then added their own doctrines of men to say that Mary was a virgin all her life. Quote from _ladybug_: Amen brother, for you speak the truth!! To believe such a lie also publicly screams ... I'm not a true believer! This Pastor explains it and to the point. Preacher's Pulpit Dr. Joe Tims SUBJ: THE VIRGIN BIRTH The Bible teaches that Jesus Christ was begotten of the Holy Ghost in a miraculous manner; born of Mary, a virgin, as no other man was ever born or ever will be born of woman, and He is both the Son of God and God the Son. Satan tries to discredit our Savior by raising up men who deny our Lord's exclusive claim to the Virgin Birth. But those who deny the Virgin Birth are guilty of blasphemy. To claim that Christ was conceived illegitimately, by accusing Mary of immorality, denies the Deity of Christ and lays claim to the Bible as untrue. Some have reported that other virgins have been known to conceive, but always brought forth a female child. They claim that the only thing that made Jesus' conception and birth unique is that He was the only male child born of a virgin. This report is an outright lie of the devil! There has never been but one Virgin Birth and there will never be another. Only Jesus Christ can claim to be born of a virgin. There is no problem in believing the Virgin Birth of Christ if a person accepts the Bible as the true Word of God. The Scriptures are exceedingly plain in its account of the Virgin Birth. Those who refuse to believe in the Virgin Birth of Christ are not Christians. They do not know Him Who to know is eternal life. They cannot be saved since they deny this cardinal truth. It was through natural conception and birth that we received the nature to sin. Therefore, in order for Christ to become human and yet be without sin, God had to devise a plan to bypass the natural means of birth and give us a Savior without sin. That would be the true Holy Bible, 66 books within. NOT the Catholic Bible which has been changed by the Catholics. God will deal with them, for He warns to NOT change His Inspired Word as written through men He chose.
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cupocheer Assumption, IL 68, joined May. 2010
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looptex1 Chatsworth, GA 49, joined Jun. 2008	Quote from cupocheer: May I interject here, please? As far as I can tell it still requires sperm and and egg to join and fertilize to produce a human embryo which gestates and, barring any complications, a human birth of another human will occur. It requires intercourse and copulation between a male and female for this miracle to happen. Before I had sex with my husband and conceived my first child I was a virgin. However, I did not birth the Messiah. My point is: all females who have not engaged in sexual ual intercourse are virgins. Why is the book of Isaiah saying something which isn't unusual for billions of women? See? You are correct, fact is a baby can't be born without the sperms of a man and eggs from a woman, but the truth is one was. Fact is, a man can't hold hos hands into the air and the sea part, truth is one did Fact is, One cannot be thrown J to a burn and not be burned, truth is 3 were and came out without even the smell of smoke. Fact is a handful of meal will not bake cakes for 3 without running out, truth is one did. Fact is a vessel of oil cannot fill up more than one vessel b of the same size, truth is one did Must we go on with the Countless tho gs that factually can not happen, but truthfully did? Oh the wonderful power of the All might God.
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cupocheer Assumption, IL 68, joined May. 2010	*TYJC* My God is an awesome God.
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clarity101 Aurora, CO 66, joined Oct. 2008	Quote from looptex1: You are correct, fact is a baby can't be born without the sperms of a man and eggs from a woman, but the truth is one was. Fact is, a man can't hold hos hands into the air and the sea part, truth is one did Fact is, One cannot be thrown J to a burn and not be burned, truth is 3 were and came out without even the smell of smoke. Fact is a handful of meal will not bake cakes for 3 without running out, truth is one did. Fact is a vessel of oil cannot fill up more than one vessel b of the same size, truth is one did Must we go on with the Countless tho gs that factually can not happen, but truthfully did? Oh the wonderful power of the All might God. AMEN brother! John 11:25-26 “Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. Whoever believes in me, though he die, yet shall he live, and everyone who lives and believes in me shall never die. Do you believe this?” #Easter #Resurrection #HeHasRisen — with Arlene Lourdes R. Valdes.
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ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 64, joined Feb. 2008	Why is it hard for us to believe in miracles? Why, especially, is it hard for Christians to believe in miracles?
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freegratis Irving, TX 50, joined Dec. 2011	Quote from iam_resurrected: Romans 5:12 says sin entered the world through Adam, not Eve. Interestingly, Jewish tradition seems to follow the matrilineal descent. I'll stick with Romans 5. Eve did come from Adam. Adam is the first of our kind. Good point. However, I'll still stick with Romans 5 which says "For if by the one man’s offense death reigned through the one, much more those who receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ." You can argue with God about how all this is possible.
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cupocheer Assumption, IL 68, joined May. 2010	Quote from ludlowlowell: Why is it hard for us to believe in miracles? Why, especially, is it hard for Christians to believe in miracles? I am a Christian and I do believe in miracles and the wondrous of my Almighty God. I am a recipient of His glorious love and miraculous power. Amen and Amen. All praise to God.
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ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 64, joined Feb. 2008	So Cup, why can't you believe in a miraculous virgin birth?
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freegratis Irving, TX 50, joined Dec. 2011	Quote from followjesusonly: ADAM AND EVE arrived on [Earth], from the year A.D. 1934, 37,848 years ago. It was in midseason when the Garden was in the height of bloom that they arrived. At high noon and unannounced, the two seraphic transports, accompanied by the Jerusem personnel intrusted with the transportation of the biologic uplifters to [Earth], settled slowly to the surface of the revolving planet in the vicinity of the temple of the Universal Father. All the work of rematerializing the bodies of Adam and Eve was carried on within the precincts of this newly created shrine. And from the time of their arrival ten days passed before they were re-created in dual human form for presentation as the world’s new rulers. They regained consciousness simultaneously. The Material Sons and Daughters always serve together. It is the essence of their service at all times and in all places never to be separated. -The Urantia Book Thanks for this unfortunate chuckle from the book of comedy and damnation and me to read it on this most solomn day.
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clarity101 Aurora, CO 66, joined Oct. 2008	John 16:33 " In the world you will have tribulation but be of good cheer, for I have overcome the world."
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isna_la_wica Brantford, ON 63, joined Mar. 2012	Quote from looptex1: You are correct, fact is a baby can't be born without the sperms of a man and eggs from a woman, but the truth is one was. Fact is, a man can't hold hos hands into the air and the sea part, truth is one did Fact is, One cannot be thrown J to a burn and not be burned, truth is 3 were and came out without even the smell of smoke. Fact is a handful of meal will not bake cakes for 3 without running out, truth is one did. Fact is a vessel of oil cannot fill up more than one vessel b of the same size, truth is one did Must we go on with the Countless tho gs that factually can not happen, but truthfully did? Oh the wonderful power of the All might God. , good post.
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cupocheer Assumption, IL 68, joined May. 2010	Honestly... A bunch of fake BS.... You did mean DH as a whole, correct, OP. BTW Iam, you have had some really snappy profiles in the past -- there is one I particularly thought was clever.
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iam_resurrected Reno, NV 46, joined Jul. 2014	Quote from looptex1: You are correct, fact is a baby can't be born without the sperms of a man and eggs from a woman, but the truth is one was. Fact is, a man can't hold hos hands into the air and the sea part, truth is one did Fact is, One cannot be thrown J to a burn and not be burned, truth is 3 were and came out without even the smell of smoke. Fact is a handful of meal will not bake cakes for 3 without running out, truth is one did. Fact is a vessel of oil cannot fill up more than one vessel b of the same size, truth is one did Must we go on with the Countless tho gs that factually can not happen, but truthfully did? Oh the wonderful power of the All might God. And "these" are the FACTS according to a bastardized version of the bible. I do however believe in those facts but cannot accept that Yahshua would want His so called believers to put Almighty Yahweh in same category as 1,000 other "mythical deities." Just does not seem like something Yahweh would want us to accept and believe!!
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kb2222 Jacksonville, FL 76, joined Apr. 2011	Quote from iam_resurrected: And "these" are the FACTS according to a bastardized version of the bible. I do however believe in those facts but cannot accept that Yahshua would want His so called believers to put Almighty Yahweh in same category as 1,000 other "mythical deities." Just does not seem like something Yahweh would want us to accept and believe!! If you can, please explain what you are talking about?
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iam_resurrected Reno, NV 46, joined Jul. 2014	Pertaining to Loops example of biblical miracles. And why would Yahweh choose to enter the world as the Messiah and be brought by the same process of 1,000 myth deities like Apollo, who was mystically born of a human female virgin and the many others. To me, Yahweh would not come to us like a pagan myth but in a way different than the Fake gods!!
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looptex1 Chatsworth, GA 49, joined Jun. 2008	Quote from iam_resurrected: And "these" are the FACTS according to a bastardized version of the bible. I do however believe in those facts but cannot accept that Yahshua would want His so called believers to put Almighty Yahweh in same category as 1,000 other "mythical deities." Just does not seem like something Yahweh would want us to accept and believe!! Who is to say that the pagans didn't hear the prophesies of what was coming, and built their belief upon that samething? Do you know at what point and time, the pagans started teaching of a virgin birth? Isn't it possible that they copied what they hear? But even so, just because they have a story that sounds like the biblical story, fact is God is still not in the same category as their gods. For God, is a living God, the only God and besides him there is no other. Remember Elijah, and the prophets of bael? Was they not claiming that their God was the living God? But Elijah put them to the test. Call upon your god, and I'll call upon my God, and whoever answers by fire, let him be God. Elijah had no problem with them wanting to put their god in the place of God, and God had no problem proving to them which was right. What about dagon? Do we remember what happened with him? They wanted him to stand in the same place, but dagon couldn't stand, literally. .
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looptex1 Chatsworth, GA 49, joined Jun. 2008	Quote from iam_resurrected: Pertaining to Loops example of biblical miracles. And why would Yahweh choose to enter the world as the Messiah and be brought by the same process of 1,000 myth deities like Apollo, who was mystically born of a human female virgin and the many others. To me, Yahweh would not come to us like a pagan myth but in a way different than the Fake gods!! well, you could also say he would come to us, unlike any other man had ever come also. Your overlooking the fact that those gods, they did not come. They are not Gods, only God, come by the overshadowing of the holy spirit. The rest, well, there have been many claims of other gods throughout history, yet only one truth remains, only one God remains or ever was.
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iam_resurrected Reno, NV 46, joined Jul. 2014	Christ came to us EXACTLY the same as Melchizedek came to be Abraham's pastor and spiritual guide to Yahweh. Melchizedek had no beginning, no parents and yet, He solely led Abraham and is leading us the same through Yahshua!!
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looptex1 Chatsworth, GA 49, joined Jun. 2008	Interesting that you said something. You said "you didn't think God would want to come as the gods of pagan myths come" Not an exact quote btw. But, what about the death burial and resurrection? Christ isn't the 1st and only one that has been claimed to have been hugn, buried and resurrected as a saviour. So are we now gonna claim that his death burial and resurrection was also of pagan beliefs and he wouldn't come do that either? Surely if he didn't want to come like a pagan myth, he wouldn't want to die be buried and resurrected like a pagan myth. I can't prove it, but I would believe that the pagan myths started after the prophesies were given of how he would come, how he would die, how he would be resurrected and be the saviour of Mankind.
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looptex1 Chatsworth, GA 49, joined Jun. 2008	Quote from iam_resurrected: Christ came to us EXACTLY the same as Melchizedek came to be Abraham's pastor and spiritual guide to Yahweh. Melchizedek had no beginning, no parents and yet, He solely led Abraham and is leading us the same through Yahshua!! you've yet to explain how he came though.
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cupocheer Assumption, IL 68, joined May. 2010	Melchizedek? I have posted on this before, too. Melchizedek, as mentioned in the OT & NT was the Priest of the Most High. Melchizedek was the King of Salem. The King of Peace. Melchizedek is referred to as King of Righteousness. There is only one who can be good and righteous -- no other may be called thus. God is the King of Peace, the King of Righteousness. Jesus -- being human, is not perfect -- therefore Jesus is referred to as the Prince of Peace. This isn't rocket science. It's reading comprehension.
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kb2222 Jacksonville, FL 76, joined Apr. 2011	FYI The Urantia Book Paper 93 Machiventa Melchizedek 93:0.1 (1014.1) THE Melchizedeks are widely known as emergency Sons, for they engage in an amazing range of activities on the worlds of a local universe. When any extraordinary problem arises, or when something unusual is to be attempted, it is quite often a Melchizedek who accepts the assignment. The ability of the Melchizedek Sons to function in emergencies and on widely divergent levels of the universe, even on the physical level of personality manifestation, is peculiar to their order. Only the Life Carriers share to any degree this metamorphic range of personality function. 93:0.2 (1014.2) The Melchizedek order of universe sonship has been exceedingly active on Urantia. A corps of twelve served in conjunction with the Life Carriers. A later corps of twelve became receivers for your world shortly after the Caligastia secession and continued in authority until the time of Adam and Eve. These twelve Melchizedeks returned to Urantia upon the default of Adam and Eve, and they continued thereafter as planetary receivers on down to the day when Jesus of Nazareth, as the Son of Man, became the titular Planetary Prince of Urantia. 1. The Machiventa Incarnation 93:1.1 (1014.3) Revealed truth was threatened with extinction during the millenniums which followed the miscarriage of the Adamic mission on Urantia. Though making progress intellectually, the human races were slowly losing ground spiritually. About 3000 B.C. the concept of God had grown very hazy in the minds of men. 93:1.2 (1014.4) The twelve Melchizedek receivers knew of Michael’s impending bestowal on their planet, but they did not know how soon it would occur; therefore they convened in solemn council and petitioned the Most Highs of Edentia that some provision be made for maintaining the light of truth on Urantia. This plea was dismissed with the mandate that “the conduct of affairs on 606 of Satania is fully in the hands of the Melchizedek custodians.” The receivers then appealed to the Father Melchizedek for help but only received word that they should continue to uphold truth in the manner of their own election “until the arrival of a bestowal Son,” who “would rescue the planetary titles from forfeiture and uncertainty.” 93:1.3 (1014.5) And it was in consequence of having been thrown so completely on their own resources that Machiventa Melchizedek, one of the twelve planetary receivers, volunteered to do that which had been done only six times in all the history of Nebadon: to personalize on earth as a temporary man of the realm, to bestow himself as an emergency Son of world ministry. Permission was granted for this adventure by the Salvington authorities, and the actual incarnation of Machiventa Melchizedek was consummated near what was to become the city of Salem, in Palestine. The entire transaction of the materialization of this Melchizedek Son was completed by the planetary receivers with the co-operation of the Life Carriers, certain of the Master Physical Controllers, and other celestial personalities resident on Urantia. 2. The Sage of Salem 93:2.1 (1015.1) It was 1,973 years before the birth of Jesus that Machiventa was bestowed upon the human races of Urantia. His coming was unspectacular; his materialization was not witnessed by human eyes. He was first observed by mortal man on that eventful day when he entered the tent of Amdon, a Chaldean herder of Sumerian extraction. And the proclamation of his mission was embodied in the simple statement which he made to this shepherd, “I am Melchizedek, priest of El Elyon, the Most High, the one and only God.”
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ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 64, joined Feb. 2008	Pagan groups believed in virgin births for some of their gods and mythical heroes because the devil inspired them to, because the devil knew the prophecy that the Messiah would be born this way. Similarly, pagan groups engaged in cannibalism because the devil inspired them to, because the devil deduced that the Messiah would give His followers His Flesh and Blood to eat under the appearance of bread and wine. Maybe he deduced it because of Melchizadek, or maybe because he understood that the manna given the Isrealites was a prefigure of it, or both, or maybe he deduced it from other prophecies.
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isna_la_wica Brantford, ON 63, joined Mar. 2012	Quote from iam_resurrected: Pertaining to Loops example of biblical miracles. And why would Yahweh choose to enter the world as the Messiah and be brought by the same process of 1,000 myth deities like Apollo, who was mystically born of a human female virgin and the many others. To me, Yahweh would not come to us like a pagan myth but in a way different than the Fake gods!! And then loop : Who is to say that the pagans didn't hear the prophesies of what was coming, and built their belief upon that samething? Do you know at what point and time, the pagans started teaching of a virgin birth? Isn't it possible that they copied what they hear? Read Isaiah 7:14 : Isaiah 7:14 Amplified Bible (AMP) 14 Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Listen carefully, the [a]virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and she will call his name Immanuel (God with us) To follow the argument given by I Am, not only would you have to prove the pagans`s not only might have heard the prophecies, which for sure they did. But that they taught this before the book of Isiah was written. Historical context[edit] While it is widely accepted that Isaiah the prophet did not write the entire book, there are good reasons to see parts of chapters 1–39 as stemming from the historic Isaiah ben Amoz, who lived in the Kingdom of Judah during the reigns of four kings from the mid to late 8th century BCE.[23][31] During this period, Assyria was expanding westward from its origins in modern-day northern Iraq towards the Mediterranean, destroying first Aram (modern Syria) in 734–732 BCE, then the Kingdom of Israel in 722–721, and finally subjugating Judah in 701.[32] Proto-Isaiah is divided between verse and prose passages, and a currently popular theory is that the verse passages represent the prophecies of the original 8th century Isaiah, while the prose sections are "sermons" on his texts composed at the court of Josiah a hundred years later, at the end of the 7th century.[33] Book of Isaiah - Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Isaiah And even if you could prove that the Pagans did? You would still have to prove that the prophecy given in Isaiah, was stolen from the Pagans and inserted into scripture. On top of that? Then you would be claiming that the book of Isaiah, was false and would have to delete it from Scripture. But that is not all folks. Throw Isaiah out? Then you have to also to declare Mathew a false book, and toss that out. Since, if Isiah is a false prophet, then Mathew which declares the prophecies found in Isiah about the virgin birth are full filled, would also be false. Matthew 1:22-23 Amplified Bible (AMP) 22 All this happened in order to fulfill what the Lord had spoken through the [a]prophet [Isaiah]: 23 “Behold, the virgin shall be with child and give birth to a Son, and they shall call His name Immanuel”—which, when translated, means, “God with us.” But it does not stop there, sorry. You have thrown Isaiah out and Matthew, but guess what other books quote Isaiah , and give it validity ? - Mark, quotes Isaiah 6 times -Luke quotes Isaiah, 6 times -John quotes Isaiah,4 times -Acts quotes Isaiah, 5 times -Romans quotes Isaiah, 18 times -Corinthians quotes Isaiah, 7 times -Peter quotes Isaiah , 6 times. -Galatians quotes Isiah,1 time - Ephesians quotes Isaiah, 1 time. - Hebrews , quotes Isaiah, 1 time. -Revelations, quotes Isaiah, 1 time. In order to claim that Isaiah was lying about a virgin birth? According to I Am`s claim? You have no New Testament left. and no Christianity. Quite simple, no virgin birth, no Christianity. [Edited 4/14/2017 1:11:27 PM ]
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iam_resurrected Reno, NV 46, joined Jul. 2014	Second Samuel and Esther have scripture verses instructing Gods people pertaining to the Book of Jasher. Two of the sixty six Books instructs us to follow and obey the Book of Jasher!! Guess what? The Roman pagans forgot to add Book of Jasher to our bible. The KJV is completely bastardized!!
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ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 64, joined Feb. 2008	So what Bible do you go by, Iam, and why do you consider it superior?
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followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 74, joined May. 2012	Quote from isna_la_wica: Quite simple, no virgin birth, no Christianity. Where does JESUS say that? Isn't Christianity, or shouldn't it be, the belief in the TEACHINGS of Jesus? What has this to do with "the virgin birth"? "Not every one who says to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven." (Matthew 7:21) "For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother." (Matthew 12:50) Luke 10:25 ...Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life? Luke 10:26 [Jesus] said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou? Luke 10:27 And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself. Luke 10:28 And [Jesus] said unto him, "Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live."
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iam_resurrected Reno, NV 46, joined Jul. 2014	I went back through search and discovered there are over FIFTY threads where the subject matters was about CHRIST YAHSHUA IS ALMIGHTY GOD YAHWEH! ! IF FIFTY threads confirm CHRIST YAHSHUA AS GOD why does God require being born like us humans? Why are you limiting God?
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looptex1 Chatsworth, GA 49, joined Jun. 2008	Quote from iam_resurrected: Second Samuel and Esther have scripture verses instructing Gods people pertaining to the Book of Jasher. Two of the sixty six Books instructs us to follow and obey the Book of Jasher!! Guess what? The Roman pagans forgot to add Book of Jasher to our bible. The KJV is completely bastardized!! iam, there were many book that were written that are not in the bible. But that does not mean the ones in the bible are any less true or accurate. In the bible we have, one writer writes, not all things done or said by jesus were written down. Well, does rat mean the things that are written are bastardized? for whatever reason, many books did not make the cut. Maybe most of what was in them was general knowledge to most people. Maybe most of what was in them was covered in other books, you've read it in the bible we have, are not the rest of his acts in such and such book. your just looking for any reason not to believe what was written that we do have.
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looptex1 Chatsworth, GA 49, joined Jun. 2008	Quote from iam_resurrected: I went back through search and discovered there are over FIFTY threads where the subject matters was about CHRIST YAHSHUA IS ALMIGHTY GOD YAHWEH! ! IF FIFTY threads confirm CHRIST YAHSHUA AS GOD why does God require being born like us humans? Why are you limiting God? what? I re early have no idea what your saying here at all. Are you now claiming that Jesus wasn't born? That God didn't send his son in form of flesh?
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isna_la_wica Brantford, ON 63, joined Mar. 2012	Quote from followjesusonly: Where does JESUS say that? Isn't Christianity, or shouldn't it be, the belief in the TEACHINGS of Jesus? What has this to do with "the virgin birth"? "Not every one who says to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven." (Matthew 7:21) "For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother." (Matthew 12:50) Luke 10:25 ...Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life? Luke 10:26 [Jesus] said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou? Luke 10:27 And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself. Luke 10:28 And [Jesus] said unto him, "Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live." No New Testament and no Christianity. and if you take out Isiah claiming hw was a false prophet, you take out most of the New Testament. I will repeat: Read Isaiah 7:14 : Isaiah 7:14 Amplified Bible (AMP) 14 Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Listen carefully, the [a]virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and she will call his name Immanuel (God with us) To follow the argument given by I Am, not only would you have to prove the pagans`s not only might have heard the prophecies, which for sure they did. But that they taught this before the book of Isiah was written. Historical context[edit] While it is widely accepted that Isaiah the prophet did not write the entire book, there are good reasons to see parts of chapters 1–39 as stemming from the historic Isaiah ben Amoz, who lived in the Kingdom of Judah during the reigns of four kings from the mid to late 8th century BCE.[23][31] During this period, Assyria was expanding westward from its origins in modern-day northern Iraq towards the Mediterranean, destroying first Aram (modern Syria) in 734–732 BCE, then the Kingdom of Israel in 722–721, and finally subjugating Judah in 701.[32] Proto-Isaiah is divided between verse and prose passages, and a currently popular theory is that the verse passages represent the prophecies of the original 8th century Isaiah, while the prose sections are "sermons" on his texts composed at the court of Josiah a hundred years later, at the end of the 7th century.[33] Book of Isaiah - Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Isaiah And even if you could prove that the Pagans did? You would still have to prove that the prophecy given in Isaiah, was stolen from the Pagans and inserted into scripture. On top of that? Then you would be claiming that the book of Isaiah, was false and would have to delete it from Scripture. But that is not all folks. Throw Isaiah out? Then you have to also to declare Mathew a false book, and toss that out. Since, if Isiah is a false prophet, then Mathew which declares the prophecies found in Isiah about the virgin birth are full filled, would also be false. Matthew 1:22-23 Amplified Bible (AMP) 22 All this happened in order to fulfill what the Lord had spoken through the [a]prophet [Isaiah]: 23 “Behold, the virgin shall be with child and give birth to a Son, and they shall call His name Immanuel”—which, when translated, means, “God with us.” But it does not stop there, sorry. You have thrown Isaiah out and Matthew, but guess what other books quote Isaiah , and give it validity ? - Mark, quotes Isaiah 6 times -Luke quotes Isaiah, 6 times -John quotes Isaiah,4 times -Acts quotes Isaiah, 5 times -Romans quotes Isaiah, 18 times -Corinthians quotes Isaiah, 7 times -Peter quotes Isaiah , 6 times. -Galatians quotes Isiah,1 time - Ephesians quotes Isaiah, 1 time. - Hebrews , quotes Isaiah, 1 time. -Revelations, quotes Isaiah, 1 time. In order to claim that Isaiah was lying about a virgin birth? According to I Am`s claim? You have no New Testament left. and no Christianity. Quite simple, no virgin birth, no Christianity. [Edited 4/14/2017 5:46:47 PM ]
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followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 74, joined May. 2012	Quote from iam_resurrected: I went back through search and discovered there are over FIFTY threads where the subject matters was about CHRIST YAHSHUA IS ALMIGHTY GOD YAHWEH! ! IF FIFTY threads confirm CHRIST YAHSHUA AS GOD why does God require being born like us humans? Why are you limiting God? Indeed. I know we don't always agree on everything, iam_resurrected, but we agree on this. For myself, I don't need signs and wonders like virgin births in order to believe that Jesus is the Savior, the Son of God, and that He said that doing the Father's will is the key to salvation (Matthew 7:21), in order to follow HIS teachings and thus be a true Christian. And for myself, there is almost certainly nothing in the bible that Jesus didn't say that I really need to know. The Son of God came here and the Father said, "Hear ye him," (Matthew 17:5).
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followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 74, joined May. 2012	Correction/Addition: While I don't agree with the virgin birth myth, the virgin birth would not be "born just like us." None of us are born by virgin births. In fact, whether God required it or not, Jesus was born "just like us," normally, the same way every other baby is conceived and born. No virgin births needed.
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cupocheer Assumption, IL 68, joined May. 2010	Right now I trust that LUD will come back and say something stupid about Catholicism that I can use against him.
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ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 64, joined Feb. 2008	So you're more interested in making people look stupid than you are in shedding light on the truth? [Edited 4/14/2017 8:31:17 PM ]
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cupocheer Assumption, IL 68, joined May. 2010	No, Lud. I don't have a craving to make people look stupid. They do that on their own, don't they?
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ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 64, joined Feb. 2008	You won't ever find the truth with an attitude like that, Cup. Nobody ever found tge truth by making someone else look stupid.
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cupocheer Assumption, IL 68, joined May. 2010	I have found the truth, Lud. I don't make people look stupid, as I said, they do that on their own, don't they?
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ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 64, joined Feb. 2008	You don't have all the truth. The true Christian never ceases to learn more. If someone is in error, if I am in error, correct that person with charity. Don't try to make the person look stupid. What good does that do? [Edited 4/15/2017 6:07:12 AM ]
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cupocheer Assumption, IL 68, joined May. 2010	Quote from ludlowlowell: You don't have all the truth. The true Christian never ceases to learn more. If someone is in error, if I am in error, correct that person with charity. Don't try to make the person look stupid. What good does that do? LUD, with chairty, I admonish you and add, Tsk Tsk Tsk -- shame on you for whining and attempting to demean me because you stated some things in error and don't appreciate being called out on your incorrect posted commentary. How was that, Lud? Does that rebuke meet with your demand for me to comply to your order to be sugary sweet and tell you that you are in error in comments you have been making? Why, bless your little feelers. You sound fragile and quite effeminate over have been told you are substantially in error, and those errors are within the scope of your self-professed religious beliefs and customs. Gasp! See, LUD, I didn't make you look stupid -- you keep doing that all on your own. You've told me to research study, learn. Follow your own advice, Lud. You are the one who doesn't know what they are talking about. Happy Easter Eve.
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iam_resurrected Reno, NV 46, joined Jul. 2014	To me, it does not matter how Melchizedek arrived on the scene understanding he has no beginnings pointing him born from humans. And yet, we "never" hesitate to belive he is "factual" and his representing the Ultimate High Priest of Yahweh makes him Christ Yahshua (no physical parents and yet Abraham's pastor). Amazing how Yahweh works!! So if Mary was a virgin (LIKE the other 1,000 VIRGIN BORN MYTHICAL gods)(and it fits current Catholic practices today. If revering an idol or image such as a statue is 100% blasphemous in the Kingdom of Yahweh), OR, Mary was as 85% of all translations believed (young female that back then was considered ADULT enough for marriage)...has no bearing on me one way or another. I could accept Christ showed up on scene at age 30 with NO PRIOR mentioning and be just like He was as Melchizedek!! I "do not" believe Yahweh would ever confuse us by having us believe He was another "virgin birth myth" story. I DO NOT CARE HOW HE GOT HERE! ! He died for me and He chose to make Himself known to me. He is my God!!
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ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 64, joined Feb. 2008	If Jesus had a human father how could He be the Incarnate Son of God?
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iam_resurrected Reno, NV 46, joined Jul. 2014	Quote from ludlowlowell: If Jesus had a human father how could He be the Incarnate Son of God? What justifies Christ as Yahweh having a virgin birth being GREATER than Apollo and the other 1,000 mythical fake gods? Did the last statue you prayed to answer you back? Seems you are the expert in mythical idol worship and know about these pagan specifics?
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kb2222 Jacksonville, FL 76, joined Apr. 2011	A Creator Son has within himself the power to bestow himself in the likeness of any of his created sons; he has within himself the power to lay down his observable life and to take it up again; and he has this power because of the direct command of the Paradise Father.
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followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 74, joined May. 2012	Ludlow says: "You don't have all the truth. The true Christian never ceases to learn more. If someone is in error, if I am in error, correct that person with charity. Don't try to make the person look stupid. What good does that do? ===================================================================================== Don't try to blame your looking stupid on someone else. YOU are the person who makes YOU look stupid.
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followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 74, joined May. 2012	Quote from iam_resurrected: To me, it does not matter how Melchizedek arrived on the scene understanding he has no beginnings pointing him born from humans. And yet, we "never" hesitate to belive he is "factual" and his representing the Ultimate High Priest of Yahweh makes him Christ Yahshua (no physical parents and yet Abraham's pastor). Amazing how Yahweh works!! So if Mary was a virgin (LIKE the other 1,000 VIRGIN BORN MYTHICAL gods)(and it fits current Catholic practices today. If revering an idol or image such as a statue is 100% blasphemous in the Kingdom of Yahweh), OR, Mary was as 85% of all translations believed (young female that back then was considered ADULT enough for marriage)...has no bearing on me one way or another. Agreed. I could accept Christ showed up on scene at age 30 with NO PRIOR mentioning and be just like He was as Melchizedek!! Agreed. I "do not" believe Yahweh would ever confuse us by having us believe He was another "virgin birth myth" story. I DO NOT CARE HOW HE GOT HERE! ! Agreed.
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followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 74, joined May. 2012	Ludlow says: "If Jesus had a human father how could He be the Incarnate Son of God?" ==================================================================================== Because God has the power to make any fetus in any woman into His Incarnate Son, who you don't love enough to obey anyway. God is not subject to your limitations which are simply a desperate attempt to support the doctrines of the mere men of your sect. If God is powerful enough to create the universe, surely He can make a fetus into His Son in any way He chooses. "Why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?" (Luke 6:46) "If a man love me, he will keep my words."(John 14:23) "He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings." (John 14:24)
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followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 74, joined May. 2012	Loop says: "Fact is, a man can't hold hos hands into the air and the sea part, truth is one did Fact is, One cannot be thrown J to a burn and not be burned, truth is 3 were and came out without even the smell of smoke." etc. ========================================================== Fact is, whether or not those things happened, they are more correctly called "beliefs" than facts. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Lud beats a dead horse and asks a rhetorical, misleading (lying) question: "So Cup, why can't you believe in a miraculous virgin birth?" ========================================================= Who said she can't? You lie when you imply she can't. Maybe she can, but maybe she chooses not to. Why should she have to believe it just because you do? Stop asking rhetorical questions that contain lies. A miraculous virgin birth is an unnecessary doctrine of men and has nothing to do with salvation.
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blake6972 Bunker Hill, WV 45, joined Jul. 2013	Quote from cupocheer: Melchizedek? I have posted on this before, too. Melchizedek, as mentioned in the OT & NT was the Priest of the Most High. Melchizedek was the King of Salem. The King of Peace. Melchizedek is referred to as King of Righteousness. There is only one who can be good and righteous -- no other may be called thus. God is the King of Peace, the King of Righteousness. Jesus -- being human, is not perfect -- therefore Jesus is referred to as the Prince of Peace. This isn't rocket science. It's reading comprehension. King of kings ,and Lord of lords. He and the Father are One.
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