Who did Christ give Leadership to..?

5/12/2017 8:55:52 AM	Who did Christ give Leadership to..?
iam_resurrected Reno, NV 46, joined Jul. 2014	Yahshua set up His church in 33 AD to which James was the leader (instructions from Christ)(not Peter) as the "lying pagan Cathlicks" make claim to: (12) The disciples said to Jesus, "We know that you will depart from us. Who is to be our leader?" Jesus said to them, "Wherever you are, you are to go to James the righteous, for whose sake heaven and earth came into being." So you Cathlicks making Peter pope and leader... is direct "DISOBEDIENCE" unto YAHshua!! Christ did not give any of "His disciples" leadership role but unto James!! I will take my chances by NOT OBEYING THE PAGAN CATHLICKS since I know and can CONFIRM the PAGAN CATHLICKS ARE LIARS!! [Edited 5/12/2017 8:56:15 AM ] Meet singles at DateHookup.dating, we're 100% free! Join now!
5/12/2017 10:00:08 AM	Who did Christ give Leadership to..?
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 64, joined Feb. 2008	Read the book of Acts, the first few chapters. You will see thst it was Peter, not James, who made all the decisions, called all the meetings, and presided over those meetings.
5/12/2017 11:44:12 AM	Who did Christ give Leadership to..?
cupocheer Assumption, IL 68, joined May. 2010	Jesus Christ didn't designate a single individual to be the "leader" of those whom chose to follow his teachings. Jesus charged his disciples to go amongst the people and continue his teaching of God's kingdom. In Antioch, when issues arose about what Jesus actually did teach about specific things (the major conflict was about circumcision, followed closely about inclusion/exclusion of gentiles). The apostles Simon (Peter) and John both declined making these religious & legal determinatikns, preferring to remain evangelists teaching Jesus' teachings, so they deferred to Jesus'promises brother, James, because he was the most learned, wise, fair, and knowledgeable -- besides being Jesus' brother and knowing what Jesus had actually taught. When (Saul) Paul came into Antioch teaching against what Jesus had actually taught hevwas stoned, beaten, nearly unto death by the Christians and run out of Antioch, never to return. Paul had the audacity to "front" the true original apostles: Simon (Peter), John and James (The Just). He even went so far as to ridicule them in the Bible. (But when he came back to Jerusalem frkm exile he made sure James (The Just) knew he was back. (Required by law.)
5/12/2017 11:49:02 AM	Who did Christ give Leadership to..?
cupocheer Assumption, IL 68, joined May. 2010	Quote from ludlowlowell: Read the book of Acts, the first few chapters. You will see thst it was Peter, not James, who made all the decisions, called all the meetings, and presided over those meetings. LUD, why didn't Jesus, who was responsible for his widowed mother's care, charge Simon (Peter) with Mary's care at his death (or even one of his own brothers) instead of John if Peter was in charge of anything concerning the Christians?
5/12/2017 11:54:50 AM	Who did Christ give Leadership to..?
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 64, joined Feb. 2008	You want the pope to do all the work himself?
5/12/2017 12:07:27 PM	Who did Christ give Leadership to..?
isna_la_wica Brantford, ON 63, joined Mar. 2012	I will take my chances by NOT OBEYING THE PAGAN CATHLICKS since I know and can CONFIRM the PAGAN CATHLICKS ARE LIARS!! Why do you spell "Catholic", like that? So, no "Catholics" follow Christ? All Catholics are , "liars"? And what do you mean, by "obey"? I can understand if you said that back a few hundred years ago, but cannot find where they are doing that today. Are you persecuted by them, where you live?
5/12/2017 1:35:01 PM	Who did Christ give Leadership to..?
followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 74, joined May. 2012	Quote from isna_la_wica: Why do you spell "Catholic", like that? Because it's good? Because that's the way it's pronounced? Because it's properly disrespectful of a murderous, torturing, homosexual-pedophile ridden gold mongering clergy organization that tells us that "outside of the Catholic church there is NO SALVATION"? So, no "Catholics" follow Christ? They do not if they pray to Mary and other dead people. "But thou, when thou prayest, ...pray to thy Father." Mat 6:6 They do not if they call priests, "Father." "Call no man your father upon the earth: "for one is your Father, which is in heaven." (Matthew 23:9) All Catholics are , "liars"? It's possible, if they are doing it unwittingly by repeating doctrinal lies their "infallible" church has given them. They would be deceived deceivers, yes. Any cathlick who tells you that "outside of the Catholic church there is NO SALVATION" is a liar. And what do you mean, by "obey"? I can understand if you said that back a few hundred years ago, but cannot find where they are doing that today. Are you persecuted by them, where you live? Their attitude of superiority and intransigence has not changed. If they had absolute power again as they once did, they would revert back to their old ways. Ludlow himself, in my opinion, would gladly burn you at the stake for refusing to be a cathlick, if the pope so ordered it. As Jesus said, "...the time cometh, that [the Catholic] who killeth you will think that he doeth God service." (John 16:2)
5/12/2017 1:45:07 PM	Who did Christ give Leadership to..?
cupocheer Assumption, IL 68, joined May. 2010	Jesus never said any such thing, FJO. You are making yourself into a heretic in your attempt to pillory the Catholic Church. You just broke one of the Ten Commandments, FJO. Do you know the words to Under the Boardwalk?
5/12/2017 3:15:18 PM	Who did Christ give Leadership to..?
bigd9832 Chicago, IL 64, joined Oct. 2007	I will take my chances by NOT OBEYING THE PAGAN CATHLICKS since I know and can CONFIRM the PAGAN CATHLICKS ARE LIARS!!
5/12/2017 9:16:41 PM	Who did Christ give Leadership to..?
followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 74, joined May. 2012	Quote from cupocheer: Jesus never said any such thing, FJO. Yes, he did. I just defined the word "whosoever" in brackets. It's sort of like paraphrasing. "...the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service." (John 16:2) "...the time cometh, that [the Catholic] who killeth you will think that he doeth God service." (John 16:2) That's what the Cathlick rationalization for murdering, torturing, and burning people at the stake was during the Dark Ages. If you refused to be a Cathlick and obey them, you were just as well off dead as far as they were concerned. You are making yourself into a heretic in your attempt to pillory the Catholic Church. The word "heretic" no longer applies to anyone in the world, until, and unless, the Cathlicks regain power and control. No one can "make themselves into a heretic." Do you even understand what the word means? The Cathlick church should be pilloried. It's a monument to evil. "Outside of the Catholic church there is no salvation." YOU should be pilloring that. "When we reject the pope, we reject Jesus, and when we reject Jesus, we reject God. See Luke 10:16." -Ludlow YOU should be pilloring that. You just broke one of the Ten Commandments, FJO. Sorry, Sweetie, I don't agree with you. Do you know the words to Under the Boardwalk? "On a blanket with my baby is where I'll be" What does that have to do with this?
5/12/2017 9:22:44 PM	Who did Christ give Leadership to..?
cupocheer Assumption, IL 68, joined May. 2010	Oh when the sun beats down And burns the tar up on the roof And your shoes get so hot You wish your tired feet were fire-proof 'nuf said
5/12/2017 9:39:05 PM	Who did Christ give Leadership to..?
indianadave1951 Mishawaka, IN 66, joined Dec. 2010	Who did Christ give Leadership to... The Word of God and the Holy Spirit.
5/12/2017 10:21:37 PM	Who did Christ give Leadership to..?
followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 74, joined May. 2012	Quote from cupocheer: Oh when the sun beats down And burns the tar up on the roof And your shoes get so hot You wish your tired feet were fire-proof 'nuf said Why don't you ask Ludlow right out, if the pope declared you to be a heretic and ordered that you be burned at the stake, if Ludlow would obey that order and carry it out? Just ask him. "...the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service." (John 16:2) The cathlicks did this. And they would do it again. 'nuf said
5/13/2017 8:59:11 AM	Who did Christ give Leadership to..?
isna_la_wica Brantford, ON 63, joined Mar. 2012	fJO Are you aware that the Roman and Latin Catholic church, is just one branch of those who are under the label Catholic? Or are you doing like Lud, and ignore all these? Eastern Orthodoxy - 270 million[edit] A map of Eastern Orthodoxy by population percentage. The most common estimate of the number of Eastern Orthodox Christians worldwide is 225–300 million, forming a single communion, making it the second largest, single Christian denomination behind the Catholic Church.[163] These are the adherents of the recognized Orthodox jurisdictions (autocephalous and autonomous churches) that are in full communion with each other. In addition, there are some Orthodox splinter groups and non-universally recognized churches. Autocephalous churches - 224 million Russian Orthodox Church - 150 million Romanian Orthodox Church - 23 million Church of Greece - 15 million Serbian Orthodox Church - 11.5 million Bulgarian Orthodox Church - 10 million Georgian Orthodox Church - 3.5 million Greek Orthodox Church of Constantinople - 3.5 million Greek Orthodox Church of Antioch - 2.5 million Greek Orthodox Church of Alexandria - 1.5 million Orthodox Church in America - 1.2 million Polish Orthodox Church - 1 million Albanian Orthodox Church - 0.8 million Church of Cyprus - 0.7 million Greek Orthodox Church of Jerusalem - 0.14 million Czech and Slovak Orthodox Church - 0.07 million Autonomous churches - 13 million Ukrainian Orthodox Church (Moscow Patriarchate) - 7.2 million[164] Moldovan Orthodox Church - 3.2 million Russian Orthodox Church Outside Russia - 1.25 million Metropolitan Church of Bessarabia - 0.62 million Orthodox Ohrid Archbishopric - 0.34 million[citation needed] Estonian Orthodox Church (Moscow Patriarchate) - 0.3 million Finnish Orthodox Church - 0.08 million Chinese Orthodox Church - 0.03 million Japanese Orthodox Church - 0.02 million Latvian Orthodox Church - 0.02 million Non-universally recognized churches - 27 million Ukrainian Orthodox Church (Kyiv Patriarchate) - 19.5 million[164] Ukrainian Autocephalous Orthodox Church - 0.8 million Belarusian Autocephalous Orthodox Church - 2.4 million Macedonian Orthodox Church - 2 million Orthodox Church of Greece (Holy Synod in Resistance) - 0.75 million Old Calendarist Romanian Orthodox Church - 0.50 million Old Calendar Bulgarian Orthodox Church - 0.45 million Orthodox Church in Italy - 0.12 million Montenegrin Orthodox Church - 0.05 million Other separated Orthodox groups - 6 million Ukrainian Autocephalous Orthodox Church - 5.5 million Old Believers - 5.5 million Greek Old Calendarists - 0.86 million True Orthodox Church - 0.85 million Oriental Orthodoxy - 86 million[edit] A map of Oriental Orthodoxy by population percentage. Autocephalous churches - 84 million Ethiopian Orthodox Tewahedo Church - 48 million[165] Coptic Orthodox Church of Alexandria - 15.5 million Armenian Apostolic Church - 8 million Syriac Orthodox Church - 6.6 million[166][167][168] Jacobite Syrian Christian Church - 1.2 million[169] Eritrean Orthodox Tewahedo Church - 2.5 million Malankara Orthodox Syrian Church - 2 million[170] Armenian Orthodox Church of Cilicia - 1.5 million Autonomous churches - 1 million Armenian Patriarchate of Constantinople - 0.5-0.7 million[171] Armenian Patriarchate of Jerusalem - 0.34 million French Coptic Orthodox Church - 0.01 million Churches not in communion - 1 million Mar Thoma Syrian Church - 1.1 million[172] Malabar Independent Syrian Church - 0.06 million British Orthodox Church - 0.01 million Anglicanism - 85 million[edit] A map of the Anglican Communion (blue), the Porvoo Communion (green), comprising European Anglican and Lutheran churches, and the Union of Utrecht (Old Catholic) (red), a federation of Old Catholic Churches. Anglican Communion - 80 million[173] Church of England - 25.0 million[174] Church of Nigeria - 18.0 million[175] Church of Uganda - 8.1 million[176] Anglican Church of Kenya - 5.0 million[177] Episcopal Church of South Sudan and Sudan - 4.5 million[178] Anglican Church of Australia - 3.9 million[179] Church of South India - 3.8 million[180] Anglican Church of Southern Africa - 2.3 million[181] Anglican Church of Southern Africa - 2.3 million[181] Episcopal Church in the United States - 2.1 million[182] Anglican Church of Tanzania - 2.0 million[183] Anglican Church of Canada - 2.0 million[184] Church of North India - 1.5 million[185] Anglican Church of Rwanda - 1.0 million[186] Church of the Province of Central Africa - 0.9 million[187] Anglican Church of Burundi - 0.8 million[188] Church in the Province of the West Indies - 0.8 million[189] Anglican Church in Aotearoa, New Zealand and Polynesia - 0.5 million[190] Church of the Province of the Indian Ocean - 0.5 million[191] Church of Christ in Congo–Anglican Community of Congo - 0.5 million[192] Church of Pakistan - 0.5 million[193] Church of Ireland - 0.4 million[194] Church of the Province of West Africa - 0.3 million[195] Anglican Church of Melanesia - 0.2 million[196] So, all these, are as you claim? And as for arrogance, come on, you claim Urantia ( I should call it us-anus-tia), since you say its ok to insult } is "the Truth book. You are no different from lud on that. I know a lot of good Catholics, of the Roman variety as well. Must be nice to be able to judge all 1.2 billion of them. The Priest at my Parish is not Homo sexual pedophile, In fact she is married and has 3 lovely kids. But some claim that is wrong too, lol, cannot win it seems.
5/13/2017 9:26:00 AM	Who did Christ give Leadership to..?
iam_resurrected Reno, NV 46, joined Jul. 2014	Quote from isna_la_wica: Why do you spell "Catholic", like that? So, no "Catholics" follow Christ? All Catholics are , "liars"? And what do you mean, by "obey"? I can understand if you said that back a few hundred years ago, but cannot find where they are doing that today. Are you persecuted by them, where you live? Anyone who confesses Christ I feel is saved. I am not against the individual, but the institution of lies that our brothers and sisters in Christ are being blinded from. I know from the river reed method (split plant in 2, overlap them one after another to make scroll roll, add mariners glue, add weight to press it all together, and dry = scroll) we can date original scripture about Yahshua as close as 10 years "after" his ascension, or around 45 AD. And we know from then to Constantine many Books were "left out." Book of Jasher is commanded for followers of (YAH)(YAH)weh to read from 2 Books of our "bible" now. But yet, the Book of Jasher (that is real and factual) is not in our 66 Books. Nor is the Book of Thomas, Enoch, so many more. Books were left out and scriptures were tampered with by a pagan. a church was formatted from the new set of LIES called Cathlicks (or lickers of Satan's butt)!! And committed a DIRECT SIN unto YAHSHUA, they Cathlicks made Peter pope, not James as Yahshua, if anything commanded as LEADER!! Just as it was difficult to learn the TRUTH of the 66 Books we have now and some blatantly bastardized. The Cathlicks need to learn the TRUTH about their so-called church. You are much freer when you follow YAHSHUA, not the ideas of someone still blinded!!
5/13/2017 9:34:20 AM	Who did Christ give Leadership to..?
iam_resurrected Reno, NV 46, joined Jul. 2014	Quote from indianadave1951: The Word of God and the Holy Spirit. WHO is the WORD of (YAH)? (YAH)SHUA is the WORD of (YAH)!! The Holy Spirit is the spirit of (YAH)!! So this verse is a direct commandment from both the WORD of (YAH) and Holy Spirit of (YAH) in (YAH)shua: (12) The disciples said to Jesus, "We know that you will depart from us. Who is to be our leader?" Jesus said to them, "Wherever you are, you are to go to James the righteous, for whose sake heaven and earth came into being." So in reality, (YAH)'s WORD and SPIRIT gave a DIRECT commandment for James to be leader, not Peter!!
5/13/2017 11:37:45 AM	Who did Christ give Leadership to..?
kb2222 Jacksonville, FL 76, joined Apr. 2011	iam_resurrected, please reference that verse.
5/13/2017 11:43:27 AM	Who did Christ give Leadership to..?
iam_resurrected Reno, NV 46, joined Jul. 2014	12th verse from Book of Thomas (disciple) of Yahshua!! And scriptures purposely left out of the bible.
5/13/2017 12:03:30 PM	Who did Christ give Leadership to..?
kb2222 Jacksonville, FL 76, joined Apr. 2011	Quote from iam_resurrected: 12th verse from Book of Thomas (disciple) of Yahshua!! And scriptures purposely left out of the bible. Thanks. I find it hard to believe that Jesus would say that "heaven and earth came into being" for the sake of James the righteous. Don't you? Really?
5/13/2017 1:47:37 PM	Who did Christ give Leadership to..?
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 64, joined Feb. 2008	The Catholic Church, under inspiration from the Holy Spirit, decided that the Gospel of Thomas was not inspired by God.
5/13/2017 2:01:37 PM	Who did Christ give Leadership to..?
bigd9832 Chicago, IL 64, joined Oct. 2007	Quote from ludlowlowell: The Catholic Church, under inspiration from the Holy Spirit, decided that the Gospel of Thomas was not inspired by God. Well if ludlow and the Catholic church have decided that the Gospel of St. Thomas is not inspired literature, then there must be something to it. Oh, weren't all those writings by the early church fathers also deemed uninspired as well? The man who knows the all, but fails to know himself, lacks all. -The Gospel of St. Thomas
5/13/2017 2:58:57 PM	Who did Christ give Leadership to..?
followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 74, joined May. 2012	Quote from isna_la_wica: fJO Are you aware that the Roman and Latin Catholic church, is just one branch of those who are under the label Catholic? Or are you doing like Lud, and ignore all these? (list of various sects snipped) There are no branches. There is only ONE CATHOLIC CHURCH. ASK LUDLOW. And if you are not a member of it, you will not be saved. Ask Ludlow. Even from what Ludlow says below your post, you should be able to understand that there is ONLY ONE Catholic church. He said: "The Catholic Church, under inspiration from the Holy Spirit, decided that the Gospel of Thomas was not inspired by God." "THE CATHOLIC CHURCH...," he said. Do you get that? Ludlow did not list your list of what you call Catholic sects. "THE CATHOLIC CHURCH...," Do you not understand what Ludlow is saying? Do you not understand when he says, "Outside the Catholic Church there is no salvation."? It's their way or the highway. They do not recognize all the Catholic related sects you talk about. You're living in a dream world as far as "the one true Catholic church" is concerned. And as for arrogance, come on, you claim Urantia ( I should call it us-anus-tia), since you say its ok to insult } is "the Truth book. I have never claimed that. You are mistaken. Again. YOU CANNOT SHOW ANYWHERE WHERE I HAVE EVER CALLED THE URANTIA BOOK "THE TRUTH BOOK." In fact, you make a lot of this sort of mistakes, confusing me with someone else and you have done it from the get-go. Either you are not paying attention or it's something malicious. And if you want to call The Urantia Book "us-anus-tia" in order to get even with me for calling Cathlicks, Cathlicks, well, knock yourself out. I'm sure we deserve it for all the burnings at the stake we did and all the homosexual and pedophile clergy we employ and all the gold we have stored up in catacombs. You are no different from lud on that. If you say so. I know a lot of good Catholics, of the Roman variety as well. Must be nice to be able to judge all 1.2 billion of them. No doubt there are "a lot of good Catholics" but they don't follow or obey Jesus if they pray to Mary or call priests, "Father." Maybe being a good Cathlick simply requires disobeying Jesus. Jesus judges them, not me. "Why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?" (Luke 6:46) “Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.” (Mark 7:9) "If a man love me, he will keep my words."(John 14:23) "He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings." (John 14:24) And the word which you have heard, is not mine; but the Father's who sent me." (John 14:24) He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. (1 John 2:4) The Priest at my Parish is not Homo sexual pedophile, In fact she is married and has 3 lovely kids. But some claim that is wrong too, lol, cannot win it seems. The "Priest in your Parish" is not a priest at all. Ask Ludlow. Real priests have penises and testicles and they are ordained by His Majesty The Infallible Pope of The One True Catholic Church in Rome Italy. You are out of touch with The One True Church that God founded, according to Ludlow. You are not a member of the True Catholic Church. YOU WILL NOT BE SAVED. Is there some part of this you don't understand:? "Outside the Catholic Church there is no salvation." Or this? "Jesus teaches us that whoever rejects the pope rejects Jesus, and whoever rejects Jesus rejects God." -Ludlow "God has appointed the pope to be His Vicar here on earth. When we reject the pope, we reject Jesus, and when we reject Jesus, we reject God." -Ludlow You don't seem to understand what the Catholic church is all about. The Catholick church, Ludlow's church, IS ALL ABOUT THE CATHOLIC CHURCH. They don't care one whit about your list of religious sects or your female "priests." You will not be saved unless you join Ludlow's Catholic church. You have bigger fish to fry than trying to get even with something by insulting The Urantia Book with your crude anus joke.
5/13/2017 3:07:50 PM	Who did Christ give Leadership to..?
isna_la_wica Brantford, ON 63, joined Mar. 2012	FJO, really? You never claim that? 5/2/2017 4:15:30 AM Why is it secret? flag post \| hide posts from this user quote reply followjesusonly Over 10,000 Posts!!! (11,482) Kingman, AZ 74, joined May. 2012 online now! Quote from trackker: How come God wants us to know so much, but leaves out everything about what, where, and why does God come from? It's all here now, trackker, The Urantia Book. This is the one to get, this cover. Everything is explained: Lus always says his church, you always say Urantia. Quote from isna_la_wica: fJO Are you aware that the Roman and Latin Catholic church, is just one branch of those who are under the label Catholic? Or are you doing like Lud, and ignore all these? (list of various sects snipped) FJO There are no branches. There is only ONE CATHOLIC CHURCH. ASK LUDLOW. And if you are not a member of it, you will not be saved. Ask Ludlow. Even from what Ludlow says below your post, you should be able to understand that there is ONLY ONE Catholic church. He said: "The Catholic Church, under inspiration from the Holy Spirit, decided that the Gospel of Thomas was not inspired by God." "THE CATHOLIC CHURCH...," he said. Do you get that? Ludlow did not list your list of what you call Catholic sects. "THE CATHOLIC CHURCH...," Do you not understand what Ludlow is saying? Do you not understand when he says, "Outside the Catholic Church there is no salvation."? It's their way or the highway. They do not recognize all the Catholic related sects you talk about. You're living in a dream world as far as "the one true Catholic church" is concerned. So you are like lud then, he says all those others are not and that they lie when they say they are Catholics, and you agree ?
5/13/2017 3:35:43 PM	Who did Christ give Leadership to..?
iam_resurrected Reno, NV 46, joined Jul. 2014	Quote from kb2222: Thanks. I find it hard to believe that Jesus would say that "heaven and earth came into being" for the sake of James the righteous. Don't you? Really? If (YAH)shua was leaving this earth and wanting His "work" to continue then the "Gospel" was designed to be led by James, as Yahshua indicates. The entire world is here because of the Gospel of Christ and its promise. Yahshua is the entire reason for it all and James led the way after Yahshua ascended. So in a sense, once Yahshua left He needed someone to run it the way He would. So James is acting in place of Christ to continue the message, which does effect the earth and its inhabitants from that moment on!!
5/13/2017 3:38:39 PM	Who did Christ give Leadership to..?
iam_resurrected Reno, NV 46, joined Jul. 2014	Quote from ludlowlowell: The Catholic Church, under inspiration from the Holy Spirit, decided that the Gospel of Thomas was not inspired by God. you really are setting yourself up for a fall, ya know? By your comment you ALSO make the Cathlicks dumb as in as DUMB as its gets for not obeying TWO BOOKS "demanding" us to read Book of Jasher. How did those 2 Books get into the Bible if they demand us to read Jasher but Jasher is deemed not WORTHY by the Cathlick ((although-the 2 Books DEEM Jasher as a MUST for true followers of YAH))!! Constantine worshipped the devil and you are following the devil's idol worship [Edited 5/13/2017 3:40:08 PM ]
5/13/2017 3:50:14 PM	Who did Christ give Leadership to..?
followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 74, joined May. 2012	You're still making subject changing errors. Don't you even know what you wrote in your previous post? You wrote: And as for arrogance, come on, ...you claim Urantia ... is "the Truth book. And I replied... I have never claimed that. You are mistaken. Again. YOU CANNOT SHOW ANYWHERE WHERE I HAVE EVER CALLED or claimed that THE URANTIA BOOK is "THE TRUTH BOOK." And you cannot. No where below in whatever you just reposted did I say The Urantia Book was "The Truth book." If you cannot provide a quote from me referring to The Urantia Book as "the Truth book," then you are mistaken. It's that simple. Whether or not The Urantia Book is "the Truth book" is for each individual to determine for themselves with the help of the Spirit of Truth, hopefully after reading it and certainly not before. "That Bible that you read, that you love so much, was put together by none other than the Catholic Church, at the Council of Hippo in the year 393 a.d. If the Catholic Church is bogus then so is the Bible." -Ludlow When Ludlow says, "the Catholic Church," as above, he's not talking about all the various sects you listed with your girl "priests" and so on. Here's more, in case you don't understand the depth of the problem: From Ludlow: If we reject Catholic authority, then we have to reject the Bible, because it is only by Catholic authority that we know that the Bible IS IN FACT the Bible. All denominations are man-made, except the Catholic Church, which is not a denomination at all. The Catholic Church is the One True Church, the only one founded by our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Yes, the scripture can be quoted and understood out of context. It happens all the time. It sure happens a lot on the DH forums! That is why Jesus gave us the Church, the Catholic Church, the Mystical Body of Christ, the Mystical Bride of Christ, the "Pillar and Ground of Truth" (I Timothy 3:15), to interpret the scripture for us (the Church exists for a lot more than that but that is one of her functions). Believing in the perpetual virginity of Mary is important because it is a doctrine of Our Holy Mother the Catholic Church, the Mystical Bride of Christ, the Mystical Body of Christ, the Pillar and Ground of Truth (I Timothy 3:15). The perpetual virginity of Mary, then, is an article of faith. To reject this doctrine would be the same as rejecting all the doctrines of the Church. To reject even one infallible doctrine of the Catholic Church sends the soul to Hell forever (God sometimes makes exceptions for those who don't know better, and God always forgives the repentant sinner). But Jesus founded only one Church, the Catholic Church. Having a gazillion different denominations makes no sense whatsoever. The Church of the New Testament is one organized body, led by Peter, the first pope, and the other apostles, the first bishops. Catholicism may not be the only Christianity but it is the only true Christianity. The Bible can say anything anybody wants it to say. That's why we need the Catholic Church, the Mystical Body of Christ, the Mystical Bride of Christ, the Pillar and Ground of Truth, to teach us what the Bible means. Our Protestant friends live in darkness and they badly need all the Catholic light we can give them. "Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do." What is the New Testament, except a history of the early days of the Catholic Church? The truth of a religion is based on who its founder is. Jesus Christ founded the Catholic Church and promised to stay with it until His return. All other religions, except Orthodox Judaism, which was meant as a preparatory religion only, are man-made and therefore false. If we should have the misfortune of committing sin after that, He is willing to forgive us, if we go to a validly ordained Catholic priest for Confession. Mary was a virgin all her life..., and the Church founded by Jesus (the Catholic Church) solemnly and infallibly teaches. --------------------------------------------------------------------- And there's lots more where that came from. And somehow you want to cut them slack by suggesting that telling someone to read The Urantia Book is as arrogant as Catholicism.
5/13/2017 4:54:35 PM	Who did Christ give Leadership to..?
followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 74, joined May. 2012	Quote from ludlowlowell: The Catholic Church, under inspiration from the Holy Spirit, decided that the Gospel of Thomas was not inspired by God. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ You could just as easily assert: "The Catholic Church, under the inspiration of Satan, decided that the Gospel of Thomas was not inspired by God." Assertions are a dime-a-dozen. The Catholic Church, under the inspiration of Satan, decided we should pray to Mary and other dead people in contradiction to what Jesus said. The Catholic Church, under the inspiration of Satan, decided to call priests "Father" in contradiction to what Jesus said. The Catholic Church, under the inspiration of Satan, decided to torture and burn people at the stake in the Dark Ages, just as Jesus said they would do. "...the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service." (John 16:2)
5/13/2017 5:40:16 PM	Who did Christ give Leadership to..?
followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 74, joined May. 2012	Quote from isna_la_wica: So you are like lud then, he says all those others are not and that they lie when they say they are Catholics, and you agree ? As far as Lud is concerned, he may say that. Does he say they all lie? I doubt it. As far as Catholics and the Catholic church is concerned, unless those other sects give primacy to the POPE, they are not Catholic. And no, your girl priests are not priests at all. THE POPE AND THE ONE TRUE CHURCH FOUNDED BY JESUS HAS NOT ORDAINED THEM. As far as I'm concerned, I don't care one way or the other if all the sects you listed consider them selves to be Catholics or not. That's a problem between them and the Pope. It's not my problem. "Outside of The Catholic Church there is no salvation." All those sects you listed are outside of the Catholic church if they do not regard the pope and their primal, sovereign infallible leader. You kid yourself with your Anglican religion, trying to be Catholic while not being Catholic. You're either in or you're out, and if you don't acknowledge the primacy of the pope, YOU WILL NOT BE SAVED, according to them. So make your choice and don't say that Ludlow didn't warn you and tell you of the Hell and eternal torture you face if you don't give in right here and right now and come back to the church that Jesus founded, according to Ludlow.
5/13/2017 8:27:58 PM	Who did Christ give Leadership to..?
kb2222 Jacksonville, FL 76, joined Apr. 2011	Quote from iam_resurrected: If (YAH)shua was leaving this earth and wanting His "work" to continue then the "Gospel" was designed to be led by James, as Yahshua indicates. The entire world is here because of the Gospel of Christ and its promise. Yahshua is the entire reason for it all and James led the way after Yahshua ascended. So in a sense, once Yahshua left He needed someone to run it the way He would. So James is acting in place of Christ to continue the message, which does effect the earth and its inhabitants from that moment on!! Sorry, but all these assertions you make do not answer the question I asked. I said/asked: I find it hard to believe that Jesus would say that "heaven and earth came into being" for the sake of James the righteous. Don't you? Really?
5/13/2017 9:50:53 PM	Who did Christ give Leadership to..?
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 64, joined Feb. 2008	Quote from iam_resurrected: you really are setting yourself up for a fall, ya know? By your comment you ALSO make the Cathlicks dumb as in as DUMB as its gets for not obeying TWO BOOKS "demanding" us to read Book of Jasher. How did those 2 Books get into the Bible if they demand us to read Jasher but Jasher is deemed not WORTHY by the Cathlick ((although-the 2 Books DEEM Jasher as a MUST for true followers of YAH))!! Constantine worshipped the devil and you are following the devil's idol worship What the hell is jasher? (Is he one of Santa Claus' reindeer?)
5/13/2017 11:03:19 PM	Who did Christ give Leadership to..?
followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 74, joined May. 2012	Ludlow says: "What the hell is jasher? (Is he one of Santa Claus' reindeer?)" ========================================================================== Google is your friend. Ask your landlady if you can have a computer and then you can use Google better.
5/14/2017 7:44:19 AM	Who did Christ give Leadership to..?
iam_resurrected Reno, NV 46, joined Jul. 2014	Quote from kb2222: Sorry, but all these assertions you make do not answer the question I asked. I said/asked: I find it hard to believe that Jesus would say that "heaven and earth came into being" for the sake of James the righteous. Don't you? Really? I believe this verse is a "fact." (since James is righteous and more than likely went to heaven without a doubt). He was the leader of Christ's church on earth (a very important position)(much like John baptizing Christ)(John fulfilled the role PRIOR to Christ and James AFTERWARDS). The MESSAGE of CHRIST is that important that a day was made, the world was made, people were made all for it, and Christ DELIVERED!!
5/14/2017 7:48:23 AM	Who did Christ give Leadership to..?
iam_resurrected Reno, NV 46, joined Jul. 2014	Quote from ludlowlowell: What the hell is jasher? (Is he one of Santa Claus' reindeer?) Do you know the Book of 2nd Samuel and Ezra? Because those 2 instruct us to read the Book of Jasher!! Jasher 16: 20 At that time the Lord again appeared to Abram in Hebron, and he said to him, Do not fear, thy reward is very great before me, for I will not leave thee, until I shall have multiplied thee, and blessed thee and made thy seed like the stars in heaven, which cannot be measured nor numbered. 21 And I will give unto thy seed all these lands that thou seest with thine eyes, to them will I give them for an inheritance forever, only be strong and do not fear, walk before me and be perfect. 22 And in the seventy-eighth year of the life of Abram, in that year died Reu, the son of Peleg, and all the days of Reu were two hundred and thirty-nine years, and he died. 23 And Sarai, the daughter of Haran, Abram's wife, was still barren in those days; she did not bear to Abram either son or daughter. 24 And when she saw that she bare no children she took her handmaid Hagar, whom Pharaoh had given her, and she gave her to Abram her husband for a wife. These scriptures are better than Genesis and Exodus and 5 first Books written by Moses...the ONE who DISOBEYED and created animal sacrifice from the Egyptians!!
5/14/2017 10:21:36 AM	Who did Christ give Leadership to..?
kb2222 Jacksonville, FL 76, joined Apr. 2011	* Quote from iam_resurrected: Quote from kb2222: Sorry, but all these assertions you make do not answer the question I asked. I said/asked: I find it hard to believe that Jesus would say that "heaven and earth came into being" for the sake of James the righteous. Don't you? Really? I believe this verse is a "fact." (since James is righteous and more than likely went to heaven without a doubt). He was the leader of Christ's church on earth (a very important position)(much like John baptizing Christ)(John fulfilled the role PRIOR to Christ and James AFTERWARDS). The MESSAGE of CHRIST is that important that a day was made, the world was made, people were made all for it, and Christ DELIVERED!! Your assertions continue to dance around the FACT that the verse clearly says that "heaven and earth came into being" for the "sake of James the righteous" and it disturbs me that you can't seem to grasp how RIDICULOUS such a statement is whether or not James as you assert "was the leader of Christ's church on earth."
5/14/2017 12:23:04 PM	Who did Christ give Leadership to..?
iam_resurrected Reno, NV 46, joined Jul. 2014	I have no idea how you claim to be a believer and still cannot understand that each day that passes is a single day "created" by Yahweh specifically designed for LEADERS following Yahshua to spread the Gospel of Yahshua to the world. And as CREATOR, Yahshua the WORD made every day including the day which Christ Himself announced James was leader. And the day in which James became leader was a day created by Yahshua for the purpose of Yahshua!!
5/14/2017 12:53:44 PM	Who did Christ give Leadership to..?
kb2222 Jacksonville, FL 76, joined Apr. 2011	Good grief, your ability to think clearly is clearly in jeopardy. To believe "heaven and earth came into being" for the "sake of James the righteous" is absolute nonsense no matter what you think regarding James. God didn't create the heavens (universe) untold billions of years ago solely for the sake of the righteousness of James or for anyone else. Human beings are not the only intelligent creatures in the Universe gifted life by the Universal Father. Jesus taught the Fatherhood of God, that we are all brothers and sisters in the family of God, and that includes James, you, me and everyone else on this world and all the other worlds of space and time.
5/14/2017 1:18:28 PM	Who did Christ give Leadership to..?
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 64, joined Feb. 2008	Iam Resurrected, are you saying God created the entire universe for one person only?
5/14/2017 2:27:50 PM	Who did Christ give Leadership to..?
followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 74, joined May. 2012	* Marvin Meyer refers to the quote of Hegesippus on James the Just in Ecclesiastical History 2.23.4-7 and quotes from Secret James 16:5-11 on his authority: "So, not wishing to give them offense, I sent each one of them to a different place. But I myself went up to Jerusalem, praying that I might acquire a share with the beloved ones who will appear." (The Gospel of Thomas: The Hidden Sayings of Jesus, p. 74) Robert M. Grant and David Noel Freedman write: "The answer which Jesus gives is again related to the conversation in the Gospel of John, where Jesus tells the disciples that he is going away to prepare a 'place' for them (John 14:2-3). In Thomas, however, the 'place' is apparently earthly rather than heavenly; it is a place in which they are to go to James the Just, 'for whose sake the heaven and the earth came into existence.' This exaltation of James is characteristic of Jewish-Christian and Naassene tradition . . . it may be derived from the Gospel of the Hebrews. Doresse suggests (page 140) that James may here be regarded as a supernatural power, but there is nothing in Thomas which could favor such an interpretation." (The Secret Sayings of Jesus, p. 131) Gerd Ludemann writes: "The logion recalls the disciples' conversations about status which we know from Mark 9.33-34. To be precise, the saying regulates the succession to Jesus (cf. the Paraclete in John 14.16, 26; 15.26; 16.7 and Peter as the follower of Jesus in John 21.15-17). James is not only given the predicate 'righteous' (cf. Acts 7.52), but is also assigned a role in creation. All these sayings came into being in Jewish-Christian circles where James later became 'the pope of Ebionite fantasy' (H. J. Schoeps)." (Jesus After 2000 Years, p. 596) F. F. Bruce writes: "This saying originated in a Jewish-Christian setting where James the Just, Jesus' brother, was regarded as the natural leader of Jesus's disciples after Jesus's departure. James was actually leader of the Jerusalem church for fifteen to twenty years, until his death in A.D. 62; his memory was revered and enhanced by legendary embellishments. Here a high estimate is placed on his person: in Jewish thought the world was created for the sake of the Torah, [Assumption of Moses 1.2; Genesis Rabbah 1.25.] although in one rabbinical utterance 'every single person is obliged to say: "The world was created for my sake."' [TB Sanhedrin 37b]" (Jesus and Christian Origins Outside the New Testament, pp. 117-118) Robert Price writes: "So to be called the Pillars indicated quite an exalted status. We can see the same sort of godlike veneration reflected in Thomas, saying 12 . . . 'Wherever you come from' refers to the obligation of missionary apostles to check in with a report to James in Jerusalem, another measure of his importance." (Deconstructing Jesus, p. 53)
5/14/2017 4:32:58 PM	Who did Christ give Leadership to..?
iam_resurrected Reno, NV 46, joined Jul. 2014	Quote from ludlowlowell: Iam Resurrected, are you saying God created the entire universe for one person only? For Himself!! We are here to WORSHIP YAHSHUA and if we don't the rocks will worship Him! Each new day is designed to WORSHIP YAHSHUA!!
5/14/2017 8:09:25 PM	Who did Christ give Leadership to..?
kb2222 Jacksonville, FL 76, joined Apr. 2011	@ iam_resurrected Quote from kb2222: Good grief, your ability to think clearly is clearly in jeopardy. To believe "heaven and earth came into being" for the "sake of James the righteous" is absolute nonsense* no matter what you think regarding James. God didn't create the heavens (universe) untold billions of years ago solely for the sake of the righteousness of James or for anyone else. Human beings are not the only intelligent creatures in the Universe gifted life by the Universal Father. Jesus taught the Fatherhood of God, that we are all brothers and sisters in the family of God, and that includes James, you, me and everyone else on this world and all the other worlds of space and time.
5/15/2017 8:12:42 AM	Who did Christ give Leadership to..?
iam_resurrected Reno, NV 46, joined Jul. 2014	Quote from kb2222: * Quote from iam_resurrected: Quote from kb2222: Sorry, but all these assertions you make do not answer the question I asked. I said/asked: I find it hard to believe that Jesus would say that "heaven and earth came into being" for the sake of James the righteous. Don't you? Really? I believe this verse is a "fact." (since James is righteous and more than likely went to heaven without a doubt). He was the leader of Christ's church on earth (a very important position)(much like John baptizing Christ)(John fulfilled the role PRIOR to Christ and James AFTERWARDS). The MESSAGE of CHRIST is that important that a day was made, the world was made, people were made all for it, and Christ DELIVERED!! Your assertions continue to dance around the FACT that the verse clearly says that "heaven and earth came into being" for the "sake of James the righteous" and it disturbs me that you can't seem to grasp how RIDICULOUS such a statement is whether or not James as you assert "was the leader of Christ's church on earth." I am not sure why this is ridiculous? Who made the days and nights? Christ did. Who was Jesus? The WORD made flesh whom created us all (Colossians- by HIM were ALL things CREATED and MADE)!! I believe the "DAY" Christ ascended and left James (the righteous) in charge is the sole day when God's Grace began. I believe that day represents several things as in the beginning of the Gospel of Christ (without the physical presence of Christ), The beginning of God's grace (we are living in now from THAT DAY, His death and resurrection and ascension is the "end of all sacrificing as Christ commanded), and it is the DAY the BRIDE came into being (the church)(James the leader). I just don't see how you believe in Yahweh, and after knowing how the bible goes, you still cannot add the pieces together for what this DAY means!!
5/15/2017 8:31:13 AM	Who did Christ give Leadership to..?
iam_resurrected Reno, NV 46, joined Jul. 2014	pertaining to James, the Righteous!! The man is superior to all men in being upright and righteous in Yahweh!! The bible claims him without sin and perfect!! Quoting Hegesippus, Eusebius states that James 'the Righteous' 'was holy from his birth': he drank no wine ... ate no animal food; no razor came near his head; he did not smear himself with oil, and took no baths. He alone was permitted to enter the Holy Place [the Holy of Holies in the Temple], for his garments were not of wool but of linen [i.e. priestly robes]. He used to enter the Sanctuary alone, and was often found on his knees beseeching forgiveness for the people, so that his knees grew hard like a camel's... Because of his unsurpassable righteousness, he was called the Righteous and... 'Bulwark of the people'...12 Then, too, only the high priest was allowed to enter the Holy of Holies, the inner sanctum and most sacred spot in the Temple. What, then, can James be doing there -and without eliciting any explanation or expression of surprise from Church historians, who seem to find nothing untoward or irregular in his activities? Did he, perhaps, by virtue of his birth, have some legitimate right to wear priestly apparel and enter the Holy of Holies? Or might he have been acting, as Eisenman suggests, in the capacity of a kind of 'opposition high priest' - a rebel who, defying the established priesthood's accommodation with Rome, had taken upon himself the role they had betrayed?14 Eusebius goes on to describe the death of James in the following manner: So they went up and threw down the Righteous one. They said to each other 'let us stone James the Righteous', and began to stone him, as in spite of his fall he was still alive... While they pelted him with stones... [a member of a particular priestly family] called out: 'Stop! What are you doing...' Then one of them, a fuller, took the club which he used to beat clothes, and brought it down on the head of the Righteous one. Such was his martyrdom... Immediately after this Vespasian began to besiege them.17 Referring to the revolt of AD 66 and the Roman invasion that followed, Josephus states that, 'these things happened to the Jews in requital for James the Righteous, who was a brother of Jesus known as Christ, for though he was the most righteous of men, the Jews put him to death'. 19 But what has all this to do with Qumran and the Dead Sea Scrolls? From the Acts of the Apostles, from Josephus and from early Christian historians, there emerges a coherent, if still incomplete, portrait of James, 'the Lord's brother'. He appears as an exemplar of 'righteousness' - so much so that 'the Just', or 'the Righteous', is appended as a sobriquet to his name. ANYONE this perfect and RIGHTEOUS who is designated as leader of Yahshua's people definitely falls within context of this scripture: (12) The disciples said to Jesus, "We know that you will depart from us. Who is to be our leader?" Jesus said to them, "Wherever you are, you are to go to James the righteous, for whose sake heaven and earth came into being."
5/15/2017 9:05:09 AM	Who did Christ give Leadership to..?
kb2222 Jacksonville, FL 76, joined Apr. 2011	Quote from iam_resurrected: I am not sure why this is ridiculous? Who made the days and nights? Christ did. Who was Jesus? The WORD made flesh whom created us all (Colossians- by HIM were ALL things CREATED and MADE)!! I believe the "DAY" Christ ascended and left James (the righteous) in charge is the sole day when God's Grace began. I believe that day represents several things as in the beginning of the Gospel of Christ (without the physical presence of Christ), The beginning of God's grace (we are living in now from THAT DAY, His death and resurrection and ascension is the "end of all sacrificing as Christ commanded), and it is the DAY the BRIDE came into being (the church)(James the leader). I just don't see how you believe in Yahweh, and after knowing how the bible goes, you still cannot add the pieces together for what this DAY means!! I don't see what you assert above is relevant in any way to the issue. As I said: To believe "heaven and earth came into being" for the "sake of James the righteous" is absolute nonsense no matter what you think regarding James. God didn't create the heavens (universe) untold billions of years ago solely for the sake of the righteousness of James or for anyone else. Human beings are not the only intelligent creatures in the Universe gifted life by the Universal Father. Jesus taught the Fatherhood of God, that we are all brothers and sisters in the family of God, and that includes James, you, me and everyone else on this world and all the other worlds of space and time.
5/15/2017 11:33:40 AM	Who did Christ give Leadership to..?
iam_resurrected Reno, NV 46, joined Jul. 2014	To believe "heaven and earth came into being" This means the purpose for Yahshua creating the heavens and the earth was for the CHURCH/BRIDE to be a stronghold after Yahshua ascends. and furthers this with by only allowing the "most righteous" person to be "first and foremost" leader of His Church/Bride. This info is as obvious as flipping a switch to on position in the dark and it becoming light. James is the CHOSEN leader of Yahshua's Bride/Church and the heavens and earth were created for the message of Christ and His church/bride!!
5/15/2017 12:42:34 PM	Who did Christ give Leadership to..?
kb2222 Jacksonville, FL 76, joined Apr. 2011	You appear unable to assimilate and respond to what I say. Instead you keep repeating your illogical assertions. Why is that? Jesus at Pentecost poured out upon the world the Holy Spirit of Truth, the Spirit of the Son, as His replacement teacher for mankind and James was killed and the church fell into the hands of others who went on for over a thousand years torturing and burning their brethren to death at the stake calling them witches and heretics. One more time... As I said: To believe "heaven and earth came into being" for the "sake of James the righteous" is absolute nonsense no matter what you think regarding James. God/Jesus didn't create the heavens (universe) untold billions of years ago solely for the sake of the righteousness of James or for anyone else. Human beings are not the only intelligent creatures in the Universe gifted life by the Universal Father. Jesus taught the Fatherhood of God, that we are all brothers and sisters in the family of God, and that includes James, you, me and everyone else on this world and all the other worlds of space and time.
5/15/2017 5:21:34 PM	Who did Christ give Leadership to..?
iam_resurrected Reno, NV 46, joined Jul. 2014	How do you know Yahweh did not do as Christ suggested? You find ill logic towards science when only 4 of their philosophies are full of crap. And you disagree with one verse and now Christ is a liar, or Thomas. I believe God confuses those who believe they are wise. Which is another reason science doesn't buy God because intelligent human beings cannot perceive the simplistics of our Elohim Yahweh!!
5/16/2017 3:33:59 AM	Who did Christ give Leadership to..?
followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 74, joined May. 2012	Quote from iam_resurrected: I believe God confuses those who believe they are wise. I doubt that. We would hardly have the free will that God gave us if He meddled around like that in our minds, like we were puppets or robots. I also doubt if God "hardens our hearts" or any of that sort of mind manipulation, for the same reason. He gave us free will and any such interference like that would violate our free will. Perhaps it's Satan you're thinking of that tries to confuse us. Ask Ludlow about it, he says Satan has his "usual attack" (Ludlow's words) where he tries to make us too strict with our conscience, a condition called "Scrupulosity" which is an obsessive-compulsive mental disorder that Ludlow has and which he tries to blame on Satan, between that and being too lax conscience-wise, which of course makes everyone except for Ludlow a sinner which Ludlow is very very concerned about. I have asked Ludlow how he knows so much about "Satan's usual attack" and if he hears Satan's voice in his head like a schizophrenic person would say they heard voices. In fact, "Scrupulosity," the illness that Ludlow has, may be related to schizophrenia. And of course, denying the illness and blaming it on the Devil is a classic symptom of schizophrenia. So far I have not received a reply but that may be because he blocked me a while back and even though I see some indications from time to time that he reads behind the block, he's not showing it too overtly. Ludlow, how do you know about the Devil's "usual attack" and do you hear the Devil's voice in your head?
5/16/2017 7:31:41 PM	Who did Christ give Leadership to..?
riquezas Knoxville, TN 36, joined Oct. 2016	Scripture tells us who Yeshua sent and what He commanded them to do and say: 1And he called his twelve disciples and he gave them authority over foul spirits to cast them out, and to heal every ailment and disease. 2But the names of the twelve Apostles were these: the first of them, Shimeon who was called Kaypha, and Andrewas his brother, and Yaqob Bar Zebedee, and Yohannan his brother, 3And Philippus, Bar Tolmay, and Thoma, and Mattay the Tax Collector, and Yaqob Bar Halphi, and Lebai who was called Thadi, 4And Shimeon The Zealot, and Yehuda Skariota, he who betrayed him. 5These twelve Yeshua sent and he commanded them and he said, "You shall not go by a road of the heathen and you shall not enter a city of the Samaritans." 6"But go especially to the sheep that have been lost of the house of Israel." 7"And as you are going, preach and say "The Kingdom of Heaven has come near." 8"Heal the sick, purify the lepers and cast out demons; freely you have received, freely give." 9"You shall not retain gold, neither silver, nor copper in your moneybags," 10"Neither wallet for the way, nor two coats, neither shoes, nor staff, for a laborer is worthy of his provisions." 11"Whichever city or village you enter, ask who is worthy in it and stay there until you leave." 12"And when you enter a household, invoke the peace of the household." 13"And if that household is worthy, your blessing of peace will come upon it, but if not, your blessing of peace will return unto you." 14"But whoever does not receive you, neither listens to your words, when you depart from the house or from the village, shake the sand from your feet." 15"And truly I say to you, it will be tranquil in the day of judgment for the land of Sadom and Ammora compared to that city." 16"Behold, I am sending you as lambs among wolves; be therefore crafty as snakes and innocent as doves." 17"But beware of the children of men, for they will deliver you to the courts and they will scourge you in their synagogues." 18"And they will bring you before Governors and Kings because of me, for their testimony and that of the Gentiles." 19"But when they arrest you, do not be anxious how or what you will speak; for it will be given to you in that hour what you should say." 20"For it will not be you speaking, but The Spirit of your Father speaking in you." Then He sent 70 more of His disciples: 1After these things Yeshua appointed another seventy of his disciples and he sent them two by two before his presence to every place and city where he was prepared to go. 2And he said to them, "The harvest is great and the workers are few; pray therefore the Lord of the harvest to send workers to his harvest." 3"Go; behold, I am sending you as sheep among wolves." 4"You shall not take for yourselves moneybags, nor wallets, nor sandals and do not greet a man on the road." 5"And to whatever house you enter, first say, 'Peace to this house.' " 6"And if a son of peace is there, your peace shall rest upon it, but if not, it will return to you." 7"But stay in that house while you are eating and drinking of what is theirs, for the worker is worthy of his fare, and do not move from house to house." 8"And whatever city you enter, and they receive you, eat anything that is offered to you." 9And heal those who are sick in it and say to them, "The Kingdom of God has come near to you." 10"But whichever city you enter and they will not receive you, go out to the street and say": 11'Even the sand that cleaves to our feet from your city we wipe off unto you, yet know this, The Kingdom of God has come near to you.' 12"I say to you that it shall be pleasant for Sadom in that day, compared to that city." so, is it not any of us who claim to be His disciple who should follow His command to go and say and do?
5/17/2017 12:47:43 AM	Who did Christ give Leadership to..?
followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 74, joined May. 2012	It's really striking that Paul is not one of the ones he sent forth. Also, what he told them to do, preach "the gospel of the kingdom," his followers today don't do. Instead, they "preach the cross," a gospel that Jesus never preached. But they have to "preach the cross" or Paul says they will be "accursed." Mat_24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; Quote from riquezas: Scripture tells us who Yeshua sent and what He commanded them to do and say: 1And he called his twelve disciples and he gave them authority over foul spirits to cast them out, and to heal every ailment and disease. 2But the names of the twelve Apostles were these: the first of them, Shimeon who was called Kaypha, and Andrewas his brother, and Yaqob Bar Zebedee, and Yohannan his brother, 3And Philippus, Bar Tolmay, and Thoma, and Mattay the Tax Collector, and Yaqob Bar Halphi, and Lebai who was called Thadi, 4And Shimeon The Zealot, and Yehuda Skariota, he who betrayed him. 5These twelve Yeshua sent and he commanded them and he said, "You shall not go by a road of the heathen and you shall not enter a city of the Samaritans." 6"But go especially to the sheep that have been lost of the house of Israel." 7"And as you are going, preach and say "The Kingdom of Heaven has come near." 8"Heal the sick, purify the lepers and cast out demons; freely you have received, freely give." 9"You shall not retain gold, neither silver, nor copper in your moneybags," 10"Neither wallet for the way, nor two coats, neither shoes, nor staff, for a laborer is worthy of his provisions." 11"Whichever city or village you enter, ask who is worthy in it and stay there until you leave." 12"And when you enter a household, invoke the peace of the household." 13"And if that household is worthy, your blessing of peace will come upon it, but if not, your blessing of peace will return unto you." 14"But whoever does not receive you, neither listens to your words, when you depart from the house or from the village, shake the sand from your feet." 15"And truly I say to you, it will be tranquil in the day of judgment for the land of Sadom and Ammora compared to that city." 16"Behold, I am sending you as lambs among wolves; be therefore crafty as snakes and innocent as doves." 17"But beware of the children of men, for they will deliver you to the courts and they will scourge you in their synagogues." 18"And they will bring you before Governors and Kings because of me, for their testimony and that of the Gentiles." 19"But when they arrest you, do not be anxious how or what you will speak; for it will be given to you in that hour what you should say." 20"For it will not be you speaking, but The Spirit of your Father speaking in you." Then He sent 70 more of His disciples: 1After these things Yeshua appointed another seventy of his disciples and he sent them two by two before his presence to every place and city where he was prepared to go. 2And he said to them, "The harvest is great and the workers are few; pray therefore the Lord of the harvest to send workers to his harvest." 3"Go; behold, I am sending you as sheep among wolves." 4"You shall not take for yourselves moneybags, nor wallets, nor sandals and do not greet a man on the road." 5"And to whatever house you enter, first say, 'Peace to this house.' " 6"And if a son of peace is there, your peace shall rest upon it, but if not, it will return to you." 7"But stay in that house while you are eating and drinking of what is theirs, for the worker is worthy of his fare, and do not move from house to house." 8"And whatever city you enter, and they receive you, eat anything that is offered to you." 9And heal those who are sick in it and say to them, "The Kingdom of God has come near to you." 10"But whichever city you enter and they will not receive you, go out to the street and say": 11'Even the sand that cleaves to our feet from your city we wipe off unto you, yet know this, The Kingdom of God has come near to you.' 12"I say to you that it shall be pleasant for Sadom in that day, compared to that city." so, is it not any of us who claim to be His disciple who should follow His command to go and say and do?
5/17/2017 9:55:55 AM	Who did Christ give Leadership to..?
iam_resurrected Reno, NV 46, joined Jul. 2014	you preach the Gospel and when they ask for it you introduce them to the cross
5/17/2017 3:14:19 PM	Who did Christ give Leadership to..?
followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 74, joined May. 2012	Quote from iam_resurrected: you preach the Gospel and when they ask for it you introduce them to the cross Where did Jesus say that? The "cross" has nothing to do with the gospel of the kingdom that Jesus preached. "And Jesus went about all the cities and villages, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing every sickness and every disease among the people." (Matthew 9:35) "And it came to pass... that Jesus went throughout every city and village, preaching and showing the glad tidings of the kingdom of God: and the twelve were with him..." (Luke 8:1) The "cross" gospel is a doctrine of men. It's factual enough in that the crucifixion happened, but it's not a "gospel" from God, it's a gospel from men.
5/17/2017 4:29:12 PM	Who did Christ give Leadership to..?
iam_resurrected Reno, NV 46, joined Jul. 2014	The cross represents no more need for sacrifice. Explain to new converts walking in Yahshua is not practicing religion.
5/17/2017 7:47:05 PM	Who did Christ give Leadership to..?
followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 74, joined May. 2012	Quote from iam_resurrected: The cross represents no more need for sacrifice. Explain to new converts walking in Yahshua is not practicing religion. Many thousands of people died on the cross. Jesus was one of them. The cross represents the Roman capital punishment system. Crucifixion From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Crucifixion is a historical method of capital punishment in which the victim is tied or nailed[1] to a large wooden beam and left to hang for several days until eventual death from exhaustion and asphyxiation. Where does Jesus say, "The cross represents no more need for sacrifice."? That is a doctrine of men.
5/17/2017 9:18:23 PM	Who did Christ give Leadership to..?
iam_resurrected Reno, NV 46, joined Jul. 2014	the cross represents what religion does and nothing else!! the Romans did nothing but kill another person. Barabus or Christ made no real difference to the Romans. It however made the entire world of difference between Yahshua and religion. Much of why Yahshua called those within religion "vipers and full of dead men's bones!!"
5/20/2017 4:07:30 PM	Who did Christ give Leadership to..?
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 64, joined Feb. 2008	Jesus died as a sacrifice for our sins. [Edited 5/20/2017 4:07:44 PM ]
5/20/2017 4:59:01 PM	Who did Christ give Leadership to..?
followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 74, joined May. 2012	Ludlow says: "Jesus died as a sacrifice for our sins." ============================================================================ It's all about us. It's always all about us. Me, we, us. What possible reason could God have sent Jesus here for if it wasn't all about us? Who can conceive of any reason whatsoever for Jesus coming here that isn't ALL ABOUT US? It MUST be all about us and our stinking, stinking sins, "stinking to high high heaven". Ref "Dead Skunk in the Middle of the Road" -Loudon Wainwright III [Edited 5/20/2017 5:01:31 PM ]
5/30/2017 8:34:25 AM	Who did Christ give Leadership to..?
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