Ev -- In my personal opinion I am convinced that God's Word was, is, and shall always be the TRUTH.

Very true

It's when TRUTH is corrupted that all manner of hell breaks loose.

Truth is ALWAYS corrupted, welcome to hell.

Some Christians actually think that Jesus is the bible and the bible is Jesus, somehow.

They confuse "The Word" with "God's word."

In closing, a holy verse from God's Holy Word:

"She lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses." Ezekiel 23:20 NIV

There are a couple of different words used that are translated as "word" in English.

You have "Logos":

"? 3056. logos ?
Strong's Concordance
logos: a word (as embodying an idea), a statement, a speech
Original Word: ?????, ??, ?
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: logos
Phonetic Spelling: (log'-os)
Short Definition: a word, speech, divine utterance, analogy
Definition: a word, speech, divine utterance, analogy."

As you can see it is not confined to just written words.

And then there is Rhema :

4487. rhéma ?
Strong's Concordance
rhéma: a word, by impl. a matter
Original Word: ??µa, at??, t?
Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter
Transliteration: rhéma
Phonetic Spelling: (hray'-mah)
Short Definition: a thing spoken
Definition: a thing spoken, (a) a word or saying of any kind, as command, report, promise, (b) a thing, matter, business.


John 1:1

Young's Literal Translation
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God;

In the case of John 1:1, the word used was Logos. And this is what Mathew Henry said about it:



So "word" or "Logos" means when you look at Strongs, the: embodying of an idea, or in this case, Jesus is the sum of Gods message to man.

I read where this verse sums up the "word".


Colossians 1:19 Young's Literal Translation

because in him it did please all the fulness to tabernacle,

So, how many ways can he be manifested as the "word", or rather Logos?

-You have the written word, which can be the "Logos" with Prayer:

1 Timothy 4:5 ?
Verse
New International Version
because it is consecrated by the word of God and prayer.

And this is supported by Jesus him self :

? John 5:39 ?

New International Version
You study the Scriptures diligently because you think that in them you have eternal life. These are the very Scriptures that testify about me,

-then you have an example of when "Rhena" is used:

? Matthew 4:4 ?

New International Version
Jesus answered, "It is written: 'Man shall not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God.'"

And God speaks to us in many ways:

-Through his Creation:

Psalm 19:1 ?

New International Version
For the director of music. A psalm of David. The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of his hands.

- through the Holy Spirit :

? John 16:13 ?

New International Version
But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come.

- through scripture :

Hebrews 4:12 ?

New International Version
For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart.

- through Jesus him self

? John 14:9 ?

New International Version
Jesus answered: "Don't you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, 'Show us the Father'?

I got much of this from here :How can Jesus and the Bible both be the Word of God? - Got Questions?
https://www.gotquestions.org/Jesus-Bible-Word-God.html

So what and who is the word of God?

Any way that God speaks to us, as "Logos logos: a word (as embodying an idea)".











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The whole idea that we need Paul says that Jesus, the Son of God, who came here to "bear witness to the truth," was incompetent, and that after He died, God had to send a mere man to clean up the mess and confusion that Jesus left and explain it all to us.

That is a doctrine of men. If it was true, Jesus would have mentioned it and and given some notice and said something like, "After I am gone I will send Paul to bear witness to the truth to the Gentiles."oh but he did say that...


But alas, Jesus never said any such thing or mentioned Paul in any way whatsoever. All we have to go on is Paul talking about Paul and claiming to have met Jesus in a vision.

Why in the world would Jesus spend three years personally choosing and TRAINING his apostles, 12 of them, for service to the Jews, and then use an entirely different method, that of MAGICALLY filling the head of one man who no one ever heard of, Paul, to minister to the rest of the world? It just doesn't add up.

Your verse says nothing about Jesus sending Paul to give light to the Gentiles.

Do you have the original manuscript showing Jesus saying that? Or maybe a voice recording?

No? Nothing?

God is no respecter of persons. (Acts 10:34)

God does not, and God never has, favored one group of human beings over another, not Jews, not Christians, not anyone. God loves all His children on earth equally.

Here's a video you might learn something from about the bible:

https://youtu.be/i1_dUFQUcXc

Please watch it.

alas he did say that.

Matt 15:24But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

The Gentiles were not part of the house of Israel.

alas he did say that.

Matt 15:24But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

The Gentiles were not part of the house of Israel.

why do I need to watch a video?
I can just read the bible.

Btw, not everyone is God's child.

why do I need to watch a video?
I can just read the bible.

Well, therein lies a problem, your attitude about learning anything.

Did you go to school? Why did you need to go to school? Once your parents taught you to read, all you needed to do was read the bible, according to you.

I understand your fear of new knowledge. It could be upsetting. Ultimately, it's why they crucified Jesus. He challenged their ideas and they didn't want that. It's a very common human fear. And it's probably stereotypical for the culture of the people in the Georgia mountain country part of the Appalachian bible belt where you live right next to the other backwards areas of Alabama and Tennessee and South Carolina. Stay in your comfort zone. Be very afraid of exposing your current beliefs to any challenges. You might not be able to put Humpty Dumpty back together again if he should crack.

                                         

                                         

42 Jesus said unto them, “If God were your Father, ye would love Me, for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of Myself, but He sent Me.

43 Why do ye not understand My speech? Even because ye cannot hear My Word!

44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own, for he is a liar and the father of it.

How that? Jesus himself telling those people they are not the child of God.

You remind me of someone who thinks they know, but in reality that have no clue.

You bragged and gloated sone tine ago that you would "talk people out of Christianity" and that with the Catholics gone from posting in the Christian forum that you would/could take over this forum and propulgate (sp) your false cult belief.

oh yes, I almost forgot..
When the words of jesus don't agree with you, you just claim he didn't say them.

That's about the samething as me saying, the celestial beings didn't reveal that to Dr sandler, someone with an anti Christian ideology had those things put in..

See, that also works for both sides of the argument.
Sad thing is you can't recognize it..

uh huh.

I will make an assumption here that there is a world of difference between you and loop.

Loop is afraid to watch a video of a bona fide bible scholar expound on the bible but I suspect that you are not afraid. I suspect that you would probably read Bishop Spong's book on biblical fundamentalists, but loop would be afraid to, suggesting that he already knows everything just from reading the bible.

https://youtu.be/i1_dUFQUcXc

You're not afraid, I suspect. Loop is.

That's it. Lash out. Get it all out. Attack me. Trash everyone who has a different bible view than you do. It's your only protection. You can't bear any new knowledge other than what you already have so you have to attack those who might have it. It's called killing the messenger. They did it to Jesus.

"And many of them said, He hath a devil, and is mad; why hear ye him?" (John 10:20)

And then they had Him killed to finally shut Him up.

You remind me of someone who thinks they know, but in reality that have no clue.

Sad thing is you can't recognize it.

You should consider reading Bishop Spong's book. He knows more than you do. You have a lot to learn ABOUT the bible.

                                

Fundamentalism - the belief that the Bible is the inspired, inerrant, and literally true word of God-thrives on ignorance, not just of a general sort, but an ignorance of the Bible itself. The ability to perceive contradictions in a written text, to appreciate the nuances of historical and literary context or the intentions that ancient writers hide beneath their words are hard-acquired skills in the best of times. Fundamentalism presupposes none of them. Rather, it marks a return to the rote memorization of tropes and verses that stood at the beginning of the demystifying process. When a fundamentalist says he "knows" the Bible, he means only that he can repeat its content selectively, often citing the Old Testament as though it were little more than a prelude to the

I have read that book by Spong, along with his book The Sins Of Scripture.

Spong follows something called "midrash". A Jewish interpretive practice that tries to explain scripture. I learned about that when I studied the Kabbala, been a while now, I cannot recall the different forms.

And so he tries to make the Bible pertinent by showing how if things were not true that were written in scripture, that they still have meaning. EG, my Grand Daughter thinks there is a boogey man in her closet. So, I show her inside and that there is no boogey man, but then try and make a "life lesson" for her out of that.

That is how I see Spong, and he him self has described him self along similar lines. But here is the problem with that. If one uses the Bible as an authoritative manual from God. And Spong still does this,by claiming one can still use Scripture to seek Gods will, then its a claim, that God gave us the "wrong " book, as NT Wright puts it.

And I tend to lean towards NT Wrights view of Scripture. I`d love to get into this deeper but am real busy right now. He sums it up like this.

How Can the Bible Be Authoritative? - NTWrightPage
ntwrightpage.com/2016/07/12/how-can-the-bible-be-authoritative/

Its a good read, I iwsh I could post all his article, look it up. ntwrightpage.com/2016/07/12/how-can-the-bible-be-authoritative/

His book : Surprised By Scripture, is good too.

Question for you. How can you claim the Bible has no authority but Urantia does?