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6/8/2017 10:22:57 PM Trial starts for girl accused of texting boyfriend, urging suicide  
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https://www.google.com/amp/fox6now.com/2017/06/04/his-death-is-my-fault-jury-trial-to-begin-for-girl-accused-of-texting-boyfriend-urging-suicide/amp/



MASSACHUSETTS — A jury trial in a case in which a girl is charged with involuntary manslaughter after prosecutors say she encouraged her boyfriend to kill himself by sending him dozens of text messages and telling him to “get back in” a truck filled with carbon monoxide fumes in July of 2014 begins Monday, June 5th.

Michelle Carter was 17 when prosecutors say she pressured Roy into suicide and helped him research techniques to flood the cabin of his pickup truck with carbon monoxide.

Massachusetts’ Supreme Court ruled in July of 2016 that a grand jury had probable cause to indict Carter for 18-year-old Roy’s death.

Carter’s defense team has argued her texts were protected by the First Amendment and didn’t cause Roy to kill himself, arguing he was the architect behind the plan. The high court noted that the grand jury heard evidence suggesting that Carter engaged in a “systematic campaign of coercion” that targeted Roy’s insecurities and that her instruction to “get back in” his truck in his final moments was a “direct, causal link to his death.”







She sounds mean and heartless.

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6/8/2017 10:49:41 PM Trial starts for girl accused of texting boyfriend, urging suicide  

lovethelake17
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I saw this on the news and was just dumbfounded. What a horrible person. How does she justify that to herself? How does she live with herself?

6/8/2017 11:06:58 PM Trial starts for girl accused of texting boyfriend, urging suicide  

skywatcher58
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It amazes me how hateful people can be.

6/8/2017 11:29:59 PM Trial starts for girl accused of texting boyfriend, urging suicide  

enigmaathand
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Quote from lovethelake17:
I saw this on the news and was just dumbfounded. What a horrible person. How does she justify that to herself? How does she live with herself?
Feminism at its finest, right there.

How many posts do I have to make, about how bad women have become towards men, before you women start acknowledging it and stop trying to argue with me?


I can't say I am surprised. When Tyler shot himself, his former girlfriend(at the time of his death) CLAIMS she spoke to him via text messages, just one hour before he shot himself.

However, she deleted all her messages from her phone, back to the day he moved back into my house, BUT I watched him text her on his phone over that three-day period, before he killed himself.

She also wouldn't voluntarily come forward to give a statement to our police chief, when he was investigating Tyler's death. They had to track her down for questioning.

Everyone else(family, myself, friends, former employer) were forthcoming with the information we had, and tried to aid the police as best as possible in their investigation. I even had to give a telephone interview, with an Army Captain, that was investigating his death(He was a Reservist in the Army, at the time of his death)

6/8/2017 11:31:26 PM Trial starts for girl accused of texting boyfriend, urging suicide  

enigmaathand
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Quote from skywatcher58:
It amazes me how hateful WOMEN can be.
The defendant is a WOMAN, so I corrected your statement for accuracy purposes.

And why does this surprise you? It doesn't surprise me, in the least bit.

6/9/2017 12:04:11 AM Trial starts for girl accused of texting boyfriend, urging suicide  
korbyn
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Fat Russell got gang banged by a group of men.

6/9/2017 1:13:58 AM Trial starts for girl accused of texting boyfriend, urging suicide  
ltlwing
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Quote from enigmaathand:
The defendant is a WOMAN, so I corrected your statement for accuracy purposes.

And why does this surprise you? It doesn't surprise me, in the least bit.



There are a lot of mean heartless "people" in this world. Never recall it being gender specific. You are picking one incident out of millions to state a case. There are many ways a person can fall prey to evil intentions. This is just one out of many!

6/9/2017 1:22:20 AM Trial starts for girl accused of texting boyfriend, urging suicide  
anglicus_femina
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Quote from ltlwing:
There are a lot of mean heartless "people" in this world. Never recall it being gender specific. You are picking one incident out of millions to state a case. There are many ways a person can fall prey to evil intentions. This is just one out of many!



6/9/2017 5:33:21 AM Trial starts for girl accused of texting boyfriend, urging suicide  

bumblebee7
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"""""""""""""Carter’s defense team has argued her texts were protected by the First Amendment """"""""



Typical liberal statement....just like, no certain thing in the movies, video games and etc. are protected by the first amendment and if kids see them, it won't effect how some become.

Well, something made a difference in how people became, because it wasn't like this when I was growing up.

6/9/2017 5:41:42 AM Trial starts for girl accused of texting boyfriend, urging suicide  

easttowest72
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She is pretty so they will probably let her go just like Casey Anthony.

6/9/2017 5:48:28 AM Trial starts for girl accused of texting boyfriend, urging suicide  
rightguyforu602
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I guess he was bad in bed.

6/9/2017 6:07:51 AM Trial starts for girl accused of texting boyfriend, urging suicide  
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6/9/2017 6:07:58 AM Trial starts for girl accused of texting boyfriend, urging suicide  

Suzhi
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Sounds like they were both screwy in the head, and young..

6/9/2017 6:10:39 AM Trial starts for girl accused of texting boyfriend, urging suicide  

hippo65
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Well this is certainly new..Or new to me.
is she a mean heartless person? Of course!
Should be charged with involuntary manslaughter? I don't think so.
Just my opinion.

6/9/2017 6:44:57 AM Trial starts for girl accused of texting boyfriend, urging suicide  

gotheon123
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Quote from hippo65:
Well this is certainly new..Or new to me.
is she a mean heartless person? Of course!
Should be charged with involuntary manslaughter? I don't think so.
Just my opinion.



I understand your opinion and it is a slippery slope, but......

Involuntary manslaughter is the unintended killing of a person while committing a crime, or acting in a reckless or negligent manner.


I'm not sure it was involuntary and at best she was reckless in her actions and that's being kind.

He obviously had some problems and instead of telling someone, she chose to push him towards stepping off that cliff.

I can't even imagine what kind of person would do that.

6/9/2017 6:49:32 AM Trial starts for girl accused of texting boyfriend, urging suicide  
Olaf_the_german
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Personal responsibility, the only person guilty is the idiot who put the generator in the truck, started it up and then sat there waiting to die.

Someone miles away on the phone...not so much

6/9/2017 7:39:46 AM Trial starts for girl accused of texting boyfriend, urging suicide  

l380
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Good. I don't know what is deserved from what she did but whatever it is, I hope she gets it. People are unreal these days.
Seth turned me on to Dreamin Demon a while back, I read about this story there.

6/9/2017 7:41:39 AM Trial starts for girl accused of texting boyfriend, urging suicide  
Olaf_the_german
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Clearly if she'd told this guy to go jump off a roof he would have...weak humans must be removed from the gene pool. She should get an award.

6/9/2017 7:44:59 AM Trial starts for girl accused of texting boyfriend, urging suicide  

bumblebee7
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^^^^^^^yep...then we'll progress to people who spend all day on forum, instead of doing useful things...then move on from there and see who's next on the list.


....

Don't get me wrong, I see your point....to a point. But, she did wrong, either way you slice it.



[Edited 6/9/2017 7:47:13 AM ]

6/9/2017 7:52:14 AM Trial starts for girl accused of texting boyfriend, urging suicide  
Olaf_the_german
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Don't get me wrong, I see your point....to a point. But, she did wrong, either way you slice it.


Well no, she didn't do anything but "talk"...last time I checked we had a 1st amendment...if some weak idiot does something to themselves because another person told them to, then it's 100% on the idiot.

Again I understand you Americans don't understand the concept of personal responsibility.

6/9/2017 7:58:31 AM Trial starts for girl accused of texting boyfriend, urging suicide  
killerbugs53
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Was it the case of him trying to get sympathy from her and she called him out on it.. obviously the guy had some mental issues, to kill himself over her.

6/9/2017 7:59:24 AM Trial starts for girl accused of texting boyfriend, urging suicide  
Olaf_the_german
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Quote from killerbugs53:
Was it the case of him trying to get sympathy from her and she called him out on it.. obviously the guy had some mental issues, to kill himself over her.


Exactly...maybe she's a b*tch but being a b*tch isn't illegal.

6/9/2017 8:04:22 AM Trial starts for girl accused of texting boyfriend, urging suicide  
orchid1973
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Again I understand you Americans don't understand the concept of personal responsibility.

I fully agree with the concept of personal responsibility. But should that apply to the bullying, then?

6/9/2017 8:06:46 AM Trial starts for girl accused of texting boyfriend, urging suicide  
sinceresammy
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I once had a GF like her!

6/9/2017 8:08:56 AM Trial starts for girl accused of texting boyfriend, urging suicide  
sinceresammy
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Quote from Olaf_the_german:
Clearly if she'd told this guy to go jump off a roof he would have...weak humans must be removed from the gene pool. She should get an award.


Olaf's relatives and family members worked in the camps! They received many awards for outstanding service to the Father Land!

6/9/2017 8:09:46 AM Trial starts for girl accused of texting boyfriend, urging suicide  

bumblebee7
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Quote from Olaf_the_german:


Don't get me wrong, I see your point....to a point. But, she did wrong, either way you slice it.


Well no, she didn't do anything but "talk"...last time I checked we had a 1st amendment...if some weak idiot does something to themselves because another person told them to, then it's 100% on the idiot.

Again I understand you Americans don't understand the concept of personal responsibility.


The Constitution until in recent years, wasn't followed word for word like it is these days, it was merely a basic guideline, society followed what was though of by them, as right and wrong by the old school way of thinking....and for the record, we as a society was a lot better off back then, as opposed to now.

As far as personal responsibility, she had one as a human being that should have been trying to help him overcome his insecurities, not trying to coerce him to do himself in.

Kind of the same thing as if some older guy who tries to put the whammy on some young girl on a dating site forum, who clearly doesn't have her marbles in the right place, and sure you can say, she didn't have to go to bed with him, but if he is more than twice her age and knows she isn't right up stairs, its his personal responsibility as a human being to not take advantage of the situation....especially knowing, one way or the other, she will further go off her rocker, once the dust settles.

We all should have a personal responsibility to try and do the right things.



[Edited 6/9/2017 8:10:44 AM ]

6/9/2017 8:09:54 AM Trial starts for girl accused of texting boyfriend, urging suicide  
Olaf_the_german
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Again I understand you Americans don't understand the concept of personal responsibility.
I fully agree with the concept of personal responsibility. But should that apply to the bullying, then?


I've made my position on bullying clear in the past...it's impossible to be bullied unless you allow it.

Bullying victims are their own worst enemy...they allow it, they enable it. Again personal responsibility...stand up to your bully, make their life hell.

6/9/2017 8:10:28 AM Trial starts for girl accused of texting boyfriend, urging suicide  
Olaf_the_german
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The Constitution

Snip...irrelevant...

As far as personal responsibility, she had one as a human being that should have been trying to help him overcome his insecurities, not trying to coerce him to do himself in.


Umm that's not "personal responsibility" stupid



[Edited 6/9/2017 8:11:14 AM ]

6/9/2017 8:15:39 AM Trial starts for girl accused of texting boyfriend, urging suicide  
orchid1973
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Quote from bumblebee7:

As far as personal responsibility, she had one as a human being that should have been trying to help him overcome his insecurities, not trying to coerce him to do himself in.


Help him overcome his insecurities not really. It was not her responsability. Leave him alone, yes.

6/9/2017 8:16:44 AM Trial starts for girl accused of texting boyfriend, urging suicide  
sinceresammy
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What's stupid is even reading Scarecrow's pages of shit or worse replying to them!

6/9/2017 8:16:51 AM Trial starts for girl accused of texting boyfriend, urging suicide  

bumblebee7
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"snip irrelevant" ...????


then why did you refer to the following before all this.....""" last time I checked we had a 1st amendment...""""


????


amazing how you go against what you've said before just trying to win a debate.

You should strive to wait a while longer so, its not so obvious..


I wonder if "they" have a term for a person in such dire need to win debates, that they actually go against what they have said to either win the debate or start a debate.

I'm sure there is.

6/9/2017 8:17:15 AM Trial starts for girl accused of texting boyfriend, urging suicide  
Olaf_the_german
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Quote from orchid1973:
Help him overcome his insecurities not really.


Aye..I'd be surprised if she was medically qualified to do so...

6/9/2017 8:19:04 AM Trial starts for girl accused of texting boyfriend, urging suicide  

bumblebee7
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Quote from sinceresammy:
What's stupid is even reading Scarecrow's pages of shit or worse replying to them!


That may be true to some people.

However Sammy...your always reading what I say and replying to them.

Well...at least you can admit how stupid you are....kudo's for that...that's the first step...the next one is a shrink.

If you need $$$ help...I'll pass around the hat.

6/9/2017 8:20:47 AM Trial starts for girl accused of texting boyfriend, urging suicide  
Olaf_the_german
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then why did you refer to the following before all this.....""" last time I checked we had a 1st amendment...""""


...what I said had nothing to do with the irrelevance of what you said...




amazing how you go against what you've said before just trying to win a debate.

Um what am I going against?....I've always said people are responsible for their OWN actions...not the actions of others...AKA PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY...i've never been wishwashy about that dumble...amazing how you make shit up to try and win a "debate"



I wonder if "they" have a term for a person in such dire need to win debates, that they actually go against what they have said to either win the debate or start a debate.

I'm sure there is.


Dumble, it's cute that you think this is a debate...I view it more as me ridiculing you stupid Americans again.

6/9/2017 8:21:40 AM Trial starts for girl accused of texting boyfriend, urging suicide  

bumblebee7
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Quote from Olaf_the_german:
Aye..I'd be surprised if she was medically qualified to do so...


This is something a friend or lover or caring person would do....and perhaps lead them to seeking help from a qualified person.


Try again.....but we shuffled the straws...so choose carefully....then ends are well hidden too.

6/9/2017 8:22:40 AM Trial starts for girl accused of texting boyfriend, urging suicide  
Olaf_the_german
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This is something a friend or lover or caring person would do....and perhaps lead them to seeking help from a qualified person.


Well it appears as it turns out, she wasn't any of those...



[Edited 6/9/2017 8:23:17 AM ]

6/9/2017 8:22:43 AM Trial starts for girl accused of texting boyfriend, urging suicide  
sinceresammy
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I occasionally glance at your shit Scarecrow. It is never worth spending more than a second on it. Stick to what you know the most about, f**king sheep!

6/9/2017 8:23:59 AM Trial starts for girl accused of texting boyfriend, urging suicide  
orchid1973
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Quote from bumblebee7:
This is something a friend or lover or caring person would do....and perhaps lead them to seeking help from a qualified person.


Yes but not being all that isn't a crime bumble.

6/9/2017 8:25:32 AM Trial starts for girl accused of texting boyfriend, urging suicide  
Olaf_the_german
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More of the families job anyway...if I had a kid who was mentally ill he wouldn't have a car to drive around and do what the f**k he liked without supervision.

Blame the parents if you want to pass the buck.

6/9/2017 8:27:50 AM Trial starts for girl accused of texting boyfriend, urging suicide  

bumblebee7
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Quote from Olaf_the_german:

then why did you refer to the following before all this.....""" last time I checked we had a 1st amendment...""""


...what I said had nothing to do with the irrelevance of what you said...




amazing how you go against what you've said before just trying to win a debate.

Um what am I going against?....I've always said people are responsible for their OWN actions...not the actions of others...AKA PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY...i've never been wishwashy about that dumble...amazing how you make shit up to try and win a "debate"



I wonder if "they" have a term for a person in such dire need to win debates, that they actually go against what they have said to either win the debate or start a debate.

I'm sure there is.


Dumble, it's cute that you think this is a debate...I view it more as me ridiculing you stupid Americans again.



Dumble huh? Gee...I didn't resort to name calling...but no reason to..I'm not flustered at all.

Maybe I should stop now, as a personal responsibility thingy.

I don't want to see you get flustered again and having to resort to joining forces with the forums biggest trolls, who clearly are not in your league...just to get even in your mind and have the forums go thru you being in a bad mood all day.....like the last couples of times.

Lets just say...I'm doing this for your well being and the sake of the forums, as a personal responsibility thing, leaving my personal views off to the side.


So...for the record you are exactly right in all these cases, and its everyone who opposed your statements that was wrong.

Have a nice day...

6/9/2017 8:29:13 AM Trial starts for girl accused of texting boyfriend, urging suicide  
Olaf_the_german
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Dumble huh? Gee...I didn't resort to name calling

Give the man a ribbon.

I'm not flustered at all.

Um so why mention it?

Maybe I should stop now, as a personal responsibility thingy.

yes, you have my permission.



6/9/2017 8:31:10 AM Trial starts for girl accused of texting boyfriend, urging suicide  
cheep_trick
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Quote from criminal_1:
https://www.google.com/amp/fox6now.com/2017/06/04/his-death-is-my-fault-jury-trial-to-begin-for-girl-accused-of-texting-boyfriend-urging-suicide/amp/



MASSACHUSETTS — A jury trial in a case in which a girl is charged with involuntary manslaughter after prosecutors say she encouraged her boyfriend to kill himself by sending him dozens of text messages and telling him to “get back in” a truck filled with carbon monoxide fumes in July of 2014 begins Monday, June 5th.

Michelle Carter was 17 when prosecutors say she pressured Roy into suicide and helped him research techniques to flood the cabin of his pickup truck with carbon monoxide.

Massachusetts’ Supreme Court ruled in July of 2016 that a grand jury had probable cause to indict Carter for 18-year-old Roy’s death.

Carter’s defense team has argued her texts were protected by the First Amendment and didn’t cause Roy to kill himself, arguing he was the architect behind the plan. The high court noted that the grand jury heard evidence suggesting that Carter engaged in a “systematic campaign of coercion” that targeted Roy’s insecurities and that her instruction to “get back in” his truck in his final moments was a “direct, causal link to his death.”







She sounds mean and heartless.


She went and made "Vanilla Ice" kill himself.


6/9/2017 8:37:15 AM Trial starts for girl accused of texting boyfriend, urging suicide  
sinceresammy
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Well it'd be great to have a caring person who'd step in and save people from their own destruction, but how often does that happen?

The expression only the strong survive and unfortunately a few sheep f**kers is true. If you don't have the courage and independence to run your own life, you are in big trouble.

Of course, the parents have the responsibility to monitor the behavior of their children, but it is often the case they aren't aware of their children's problems.

Finally, I doubt the girl will be convicted of any crime. She young, probably not too bright, and probably raised by morally bankrupt parents.

6/9/2017 8:38:28 AM Trial starts for girl accused of texting boyfriend, urging suicide  
Olaf_the_german
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Well it'd be great to have a caring person who'd step in and save people from their own destruction, but how often does that happen?

It really wouldn't be great..they'd only try and do it again...costing $$ and possibly the lives of those trying to help them.

If people want to off themselves let them...anything else would be a restriction on peoples freedoms.



[Edited 6/9/2017 8:39:18 AM ]

6/9/2017 8:40:59 AM Trial starts for girl accused of texting boyfriend, urging suicide  
sinceresammy
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Olaf thinks he can predict the future. He's beginning to sound like Scarecrow who knows everything.

6/9/2017 8:44:01 AM Trial starts for girl accused of texting boyfriend, urging suicide  
Olaf_the_german
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Quote from sinceresammy:
Olaf thinks he can predict the future. He's beginning to sound like Scarecrow who knows everything.


I can predict the future...I predict I'll be having salad for dinner.

6/9/2017 9:38:29 AM Trial starts for girl accused of texting boyfriend, urging suicide  
sinceresammy
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Scarecrow is an idiot, and Olaf loves to argue with him. From what I can observe, they seem evenly matched. Now remember, Scarecrow was tutored in debate by his dad, a Harvard graduate! We don't know about Olaf, but likely his debating skill were learned arguing with his ex wives, GFs, or prison guards.

Perhaps we can understand these two combatants better if we examine their mentality. Scarecrow is a sheep f**ker and Olaf a goat f**ker. That about says it all! They are both come from the same demographic, severely disturbed sociopaths!

6/9/2017 9:43:14 AM Trial starts for girl accused of texting boyfriend, urging suicide  
Olaf_the_german
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Sammy, stop talking with your mouth full.

6/9/2017 9:52:47 AM Trial starts for girl accused of texting boyfriend, urging suicide  

mylegsarecold
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Quote from enigmaathand:
Feminism at its finest, right there.

How many posts do I have to make, about how bad women have become towards men, before you women start acknowledging it and stop trying to argue with me?
...


Huh? What? Where? How? What does this have to do with feminism?

This has nothing to do with the equal rights and opportunities that all people should enjoy.

Or are you trying to say only men should be allowed to urge women to commit suicide?
Because that would be rather stupid and still isn't what feminism is about.

If you want to get mad at a woman's action then get mad at a woman's actions
but stop misrepresenting feminism. Or don't and continue to look like a stupid idiot.

6/9/2017 9:58:19 AM Trial starts for girl accused of texting boyfriend, urging suicide  

mylegsarecold
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Quote from Olaf_the_german:
Personal responsibility, the only person guilty is the idiot who put the generator in the truck, started it up and then sat there waiting to die.

Someone miles away on the phone...not so much

How much, not sooo much?

She is n't being charged with murder, just involuntary manslaughter.
Maybe she should of been charged with assisting suicide instead.

6/9/2017 9:59:40 AM Trial starts for girl accused of texting boyfriend, urging suicide  
Olaf_the_german
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How much, not sooo much?

Well unless they are using the phone as a detonator...not at all.

She shouldn't be charged with anything...personal responsibility...if idiot 1 does what idiot 2 says...idiot 1 is 100% responsible for what happens to him/her.



[Edited 6/9/2017 10:00:29 AM ]

6/9/2017 10:06:35 AM Trial starts for girl accused of texting boyfriend, urging suicide  

archer513
Over 10,000 Posts!!! (14,105)
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We live in a society of blame and pay. There no personal responsibility anymore.

And if you're a grown man,you should know women are evil.



6/9/2017 10:15:59 AM Trial starts for girl accused of texting boyfriend, urging suicide  

mylegsarecold
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Gainesville, FL
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Quote from Olaf_the_german:
How much, not sooo much?

Well unless they are using the phone as a detonator...not at all.

She shouldn't be charged with anything...personal responsibility...if idiot 1 does what idiot 2 says...idiot 1 is 100% responsible for what happens to him/her.

So if you call in a hoax bomb threat to school it's the police's fault for disrupting
classes. If they find the caller they shouldn't charge him because they were the
idiots who took the caller seriously.

Is that somewhat similar as to what you are saying?

6/9/2017 10:53:07 AM Trial starts for girl accused of texting boyfriend, urging suicide  
criminal_1
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June 19, 2014
Here, Carter urges Roy to seek medical help for his suicidal thoughts.
Carter: "But the mental hospital would help you. I know you don't think it would but I'm telling you, if you give them a chance, they can save your life"
Carter: "Part of me wants you to try something and fail just so you can go get help"
Roy: "It doesn't help. Trust me"
Carter: "So what are you gonna do then? Keep being all talk and no action and everyday go thru saying how badly you wanna kill yourself? Or are you gonna try to get better?"
Roy: "I can't get better I already made my decision."
June 23, 2014
In this exchange, Carter discourages Roy from harming himself.
Carter: "How do you want to harm yourself"
Roy: "Something idkk yet"
Carter: "Please don't"
Roy: "I hate myself I'll always hate myself, I'm never gonna view myself as good I'm so far behind"
Carter: "What is harming yourself gonna do!? Nothing! It will make it worse!"
Roy: "Make the pain go away like you said"
Carter: "It will make the pain go away temporarily, but when you're done, you'll just regret it and feel even worse!"
July 7, 2014
Here, Carter tells Roy how she would handle his situation.
Roy: " If you were in my position. honestly what would you do"
Carter: "I would get help. That's just me tho. When I have a serious problem like that my first instinct is to get help because I know I can't do it on my own"
Later that day, however, Carter and Roy discuss the best way for him to produce carbon monoxide (CO).
Carter: "Well there's more ways to make CO. Google ways to make it. . . "
Roy: "Omg"
Carter: "What"
Roy: "portable generator that's it"
July 8, 2014
The next day Roy seems less resolute.
Carter: "So are you sure you don't wanna [kill yourself] tonight?"
Roy: "What do you mean am I sure?"
Carter: "Like, are you definitely not doing it tonight?"
Roy: "Idk yet I'll let you know"
Carter: "Because I'll stay up with you if you wanna do
it tonight"
Roy: " Another day wouldn't hurt"
Carter: "You can't keep pushing it off, tho, that's all you keep doing"
July 11, 2014
On this day Carter sends Roy her opinion about using a generator in the truck, as opposed to a water pump.
Carter: "...Well in my opinion, I think u should do the generator because I don't know much
about the pump and with a generator u can't fail"
July 4-12, 2014
This series of messages was sent over a span of nine days. The ---- indicates a pause between conversations.
Carter: "You're gonna have to prove me wrong because I just don't think you really want this. You just keeps pushing it off to another night and say you'll do it but you never do"
---
Carter: "SEE THAT'S WHAT I MEAN. YOU KEEP PUSHING IT OFF! You just said you were gonna do it tonight and now you're saying eventually. . . ."
---
Carter: "But I bet you're gonna be like 'oh, it didn't work because I didn't tape the tube right or something like that' . . . I bet you're gonna say an excuse like that"
---
Carter: "Do you have the generator?"
Roy: "not yet lol"
Carter: "WELL WHEN ARE YOU GETTING IT"
---
Carter: "You better not be bull sh*ting me and saying you're gonna do this and then purposely get caught"
July 11-12, 2014
Overnight and into the next morning, Roy shares concerns over how his parents would handle his suicide.
Roy: "I'm just to sensitive. I want my family to know there was nothing they could do. I am entrapped in my own thoughts"
Roy: "like no I would be happy if they had no guilt about it. because I have a bad feeling tht this is going to create a lot of depression between my parents/sisters"
Roy: "i'm overthinking everything. . f**k. I gotta stop and just do it"
Carter: "I think your parents know you're in a really bad place. Im not saying they want you to do it, but I honestly feel like they can accept it. They know there's nothing they can do, they've tried helping, everyone's tried. But there's a point that comes where there isn't anything anyone can do to save you, not even yourself, and you've hit that point and I think your parents know you've hit that point. You said you're mom saw a suicide thing on your computer and she didn't say anything. I think she knows it's on your mind and she's prepared for it"
Carter: Everyone will be sad for a while, but they will get over it and move on. They won't be in depression I won't let that happen. They know how sad you are and they know that you're doing this to be happy, and I think they will understand and accept it. They'll always carry u in their hearts"
----
Roy: "i don't want anyone hurt in the process though"
Roy: "I meant when they open the door, all the carbon monoxide is gonna come out they can't see it or smell it. whoever opens the door"
Carter: "They will see the generator and know that you died of CO. . . ."
----
Roy: "hey can you do me a favor"
Carter: "Yes of course"
Roy: "just be there for my family "
Carter: "Conrad, of course I will be there for your family. I will help them as much as I can to get thru this, ill tell them about how amazing their son/brother truly was"
----
Roy: "Idk I'm freaking out again"
Roy: I'm overthinking"
Carter: "I thought you wanted to do this. The time is right and you're ready, you just need to do it! You can't keep living this way. You just need to do it like you did last time and not think about it and just do it babe. You can't keep doing this every day"
Roy: "I do want to. but like I'm freaking for my family. I guess"
Roy: "idkkk"
Carter: "Conrad. I told you I'll take care of them. Everyone will take care of them to make sure they won't be alone and people will help them get thru it. We talked about this, they will be okay and accept it. People who commit suicide don't think this much and they just do it"
July 12, 2014
In these exchanges on the day before his body was found, Roy expresses more hesitation about his plan.
Carter: "So I guess you aren't gonna do it then, all that for nothing"
Carter: "I'm just confused like you were so ready and determined"
Roy: "I am gonna eventually"
Roy: "I really don't know what I'm waiting for. . but I have everything lined up"
Carter: "No, you're not, Conrad. Last night was it. You keep pushing it off and you say you'll do it but u never do. Its always gonna be that way if u don't take action"
Carter: "You're just making it harder on yourself by pushing it off, you just have to do it"
Carter: "Do u wanna do it now?"
Roy: "Is it too late?"
Roy: "Idkk it's already light outside"
Roy: I'm gonna go back to sleep, love you I'll text you tomorrow"
Carter: "No? Its probably the best time now because everyone's sleeping. Just go somewhere in your truck. And no one's really out right now because it's an awkward time"
Carter: "If u don't do it now you're never gonna do it"
Carter: "And u can say you'll do it tomorrow but you probably won't"
---
Carter: "You just need to do it Conrad or I'm gonna get you help"
Carter: "You can't keep doing this everyday"
Roy: "Okay I'm gonna do it today"
Carter: "Do you promise"
Roy: "I promise babe"
Roy: "I have to now"
Carter: "Like right now?"
Roy: "where do I go? "
Carter: "And u can't break a promise. And just go in a quiet parking lot or something."

6/9/2017 11:03:39 AM Trial starts for girl accused of texting boyfriend, urging suicide  
Olaf_the_german
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So if you call in a hoax bomb threat to school it's the police's fault for disrupting
classes. If they find the caller they shouldn't charge him because they were the
idiots who took the caller seriously.

Is that somewhat similar as to what you are saying?


No not at all.

Calling in a bomb threat costs time and resources and action needs to be taken to ensure the safety of those at the facility threatened in case it is an actual real event.

Telling someone to kill themselves doesn't require any action or use of resources by the one being told...there is no loss to anyone.

I'm surprised you couldn't figure out those differences yourself.

6/9/2017 11:20:33 AM Trial starts for girl accused of texting boyfriend, urging suicide  

mylegsarecold
Over 10,000 Posts!!! (15,562)
Gainesville, FL
55, joined May. 2011


Quote from Olaf_the_german:
So if you call in a hoax bomb threat to school it's the police's fault for disrupting
classes. If they find the caller they shouldn't charge him because they were the
idiots who took the caller seriously.

Is that somewhat similar as to what you are saying?


No not at all.

Calling in a bomb threat costs time and resources and action needs to be taken to ensure the safety of those at the facility threatened in case it is an actual real event.

Telling someone to kill themselves doesn't require any action or use of resources by the one being told...there is no loss to anyone.

I'm surprised you couldn't figure out those differences yourself.

Of course it took resources and time. He didn't just immediately fall over and die.
He took specific steps which took a certain amount resources and time to prep the suicide.
And and and she encouraged him at every step of the way. She encouraged him by
assisting him verbally.

What do you mean there was no loss to anyone? There was a suicide so obviously
there was a loss of life.

6/9/2017 11:20:44 AM Trial starts for girl accused of texting boyfriend, urging suicide  
criminal_1
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98, joined Jan. 2017


Quote from Olaf_the_german:
So if you call in a hoax bomb threat to school it's the police's fault for disrupting
classes. If they find the caller they shouldn't charge him because they were the
idiots who took the caller seriously.

Is that somewhat similar as to what you are saying?


No not at all.

Calling in a bomb threat costs time and resources and action needs to be taken to ensure the safety of those at the facility threatened in case it is an actual real event.

Telling someone to kill themselves doesn't require any action or use of resources by the one being told...there is no loss to anyone.

I'm surprised you couldn't figure out those differences yourself.


If a family member of yours dies you don't consider that a loss?

6/9/2017 11:24:33 AM Trial starts for girl accused of texting boyfriend, urging suicide  
Olaf_the_german
Over 4,000 Posts! (4,241)
Houston, TX
50, joined Feb. 2017


Of course it took resources and time. He didn't just immediately fall over and die.

The phone call she made took NO resources or time from others...people/emergency services were not FORCED to act on her call...a bomb THREAT does FORCE such action...

Huge difference between a threat of a bomb and a suggestion to an individual to kill himself.


He took specific steps which took a certain amount resources and time to prep the suicide.

Keyword "HE"



What do you mean there was no loss to anyone? There was a suicide so obviously
there was a loss of life.


No loss to anyone from her suggestion via her phone call...HE chose to kill himself...HE didn't have to.

It's really very simple to understand the fundamental differences...



[Edited 6/9/2017 11:25:48 AM ]

6/9/2017 11:28:01 AM Trial starts for girl accused of texting boyfriend, urging suicide  
Olaf_the_german
Over 4,000 Posts! (4,241)
Houston, TX
50, joined Feb. 2017


If a family member of yours dies you don't consider that a loss?

No loss resulted from her phone call or her words, the loss came from HIM CHOOSING to top himself..he is 100% responsible for that loss...no one else.

..it's disheartening to see so many stupid Americans who can't understand even the simplest of things...



[Edited 6/9/2017 11:28:14 AM ]

6/9/2017 11:35:36 AM Trial starts for girl accused of texting boyfriend, urging suicide  
criminal_1
FPO, AP
98, joined Jan. 2017


Quote from Olaf_the_german:
If a family member of yours dies you don't consider that a loss?

No loss resulted from her phone call or her words, the loss came from HIM CHOOSING to top himself..he is 100% responsible for that loss...no one else.

..it's disheartening to see so many stupid Americans who can't understand even the simplest of things...

You rambled on.

You didnt answer my question.