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6/16/2017 6:37:35 PM Today's Media  
doublethree
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Here's an example of today's journalism. They put "sexist" right in the article title. It's not reporting the news, it's putting the journalist's opinion in the title.

https://www.yahoo.com/style/high-school-student-makes-yearbook-quote-dress-code-162834794.html

It's not sexist.

I'm all for hot 18 yo HSers dressing revealingly, though.

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6/17/2017 8:26:00 AM Today's Media  

testsignup
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The only thing I'd disagree with you on, is that this is really anything new. I've been seeing horrible biased headlines since I learned to read, as a small child.

I did find out that in many places, the title is written by someone OTHER than the author of the article or report, so SOMETIMES it isn't the writer's fault.

And a lot of reporting is, and always has been FAD driven. Left wing leaning people report everything as though it supports their world view, right wing leaning people report everything as though it supports their world view. Heck, part of the reason why Trump send out some of his really bad tweets, is because he saw a headline on Fox, didn't listen to the actual report, and went off on a rant about the headline.

6/17/2017 11:31:58 AM Today's Media  

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Back to the old if it bleeds it leads. The news used to feel it their duty to report facts. And to be considerate of victims. Now there is a major tragedy and some jerk shoves a mic up some grieving relative and says..how do you feel. Just once I would like to see that person say how the F do you think I feel. Then slug them in the beak and bend over them on the ground and say how did THAT feel!
I used to laugh at tabloids. If some important person wasnt dieing, they were divorcing, suffering some hideous disease, doing drugs or some horrible thing. Funny thing is they were still alive 25 years later. Now the national media has become just as bad. The coined words of fake news is to the point of disbelieving ANYTHING the media puts forth anymore.
If I saw the sun is up on national TV, I might have the urge to open my door and check!
And then they are like a dog with a bone and re-hash the same crap day after day after week after month!
The TV is either cops shows, hospital shows or news shows of dredging up the saddest, most heinous people stories they can find. No horror is too obscure for them to not make a story on TV out of it.
No wonder shooters are increasing and the value of life is on the dung heap.


6/17/2017 10:37:57 PM Today's Media  

driver406
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How many decades was Liz Taylor dying and Mary Tyler Moore? Doris Day has been dying for decades and a large number of other celebrities too, but they keep hanging in there even if they aren't working anymore.

Thomas Jefferson complained about the same thing, orz. He said he thought newspapers should be in 3 sections. 1st section marked TRUTH, 2nd second marked HALF TRUTHS and the 3rd section LIES FABRICATIONS etc. Of course the third section would be the most read and accepted as truth as it is now. But then you get a guy like TRUMP who is so outrageous that even the truth sounds made up except that he's been at this for at least 30 years.

6/18/2017 12:30:05 AM Today's Media  
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I'm, not sure what testsignup read or watched, but all of my life, up until probably 10-12 years ago, the news was mostly reporting facts without opinions. If they did give an opinion it would be after reporting it, not slanting the facts themselves with words designed to get reactions.

The left has always been ridiculous in making up scandals, though... Someone was reminding me last night how good Nixon was and that he did basically nothing wrong to a degree of it mattering, until he supposedly covered up the meaningless "scandal". So now all the liberals, and many republicans, still bash him as if he was oh so horrible.

And really this bullying of who's in office all started back when W was in there. The left is flat out lying that Trump's personality ahs anything to do with their bullying of him... They did the same thing to W and he was as nice and professional as any pres ever. And when O was in office, remember they said even if you don't like him you should "always respect the pres" and now the moron golden state team refuses to go to the WH. What a bunch of babies. You can show respect to people even if you don't agree with them. Had conservative teams boycotted the WH when O was in there, the media would spend 24/7 calling them racists and bigots...

6/18/2017 7:02:23 AM Today's Media  

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It's just because I'm older than you are, and so I have read more news. It's difficult for someone to simply "go back and look," because just as now, there are not obviously biased stories EVERY SINGLE DAY, in every publication. Because there are hundreds of thousands of "news sources" now, instead of the half dozen of my youth, it took someone who was reading almost all of them every day, to see nearly as much.

Look up Yellow Journalism, as a start to finding out how VERY far back this sort of thing goes. Look up the Red Scare, and McCarthyism. And watch out as you read about those things, that you keep in mind who the person is who is writing about them: if it is a modern day left-wing person, they might play DOWN the fact that the left did as much lying as the right, and if it's a right-wing person, they will pretend that only the left made the mistakes. That's the tricky thing about looking into history: if you want to make positive use of it, you have to actually WORK at it. You can't just assume that anything written long ago, is accurate and unbiased.

And look, I'm not saying that because bias is VERY old, means that it should be tolerated. I am saying that if you come up with the WRONG STORY YOURSELF of what is and isn't going on, you will inevitably come up with the wrong thing to do about it.

6/18/2017 10:37:40 AM Today's Media  

driver406
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They could at least be upfront about it. Remember it was never Paul Harvey News but Paul Harvey News & commentary. He was upfront about it as he should have been.

6/18/2017 10:53:33 AM Today's Media  

testsignup
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Well, yes and no. Yes, I remember I used to see small print on lots of Washington Post articles, labeling them as "News Analysis," and realizing that that let them off the hook technically. But even with Paul Harvey, he would report things as fact, which were really his personal INTERPRETATIONS of the facts. Most reporters do that to some extent.

Bottom line, since it HAS always been this way, it has also always been true that it's up to each individual to learn to take bias into account, and, if you want to be more than a spewer of propaganda yourself, you need to do the work to ferret out real factual information, through long term ongoing study.

Choose any other path, especially including making loud claims that all(or just your non-favorite) mass media are liars, and you are insistently making yourself part of the problem.

6/19/2017 11:50:56 AM Today's Media  

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Some B was on radio this am. They were talking about false reporting before investigating. That all national media does it. And she said...but..after they do, they retract. What is bull is everyone tweets and posts and repeats the falsity but the retraction barely get a viewing. What sticks in peoples minds IS the falsity.
My guy is always on youtube watching all the alternative news. He gets to the point of... WHATEVER...dont believe all THEY say either, dear. But, he said his buds watch and see NOTHING but national media. So they believe THEM like gospel. He tells them if you only see one side of the news, then you dont know all of it.
I know many people who pay no attention to the news at all. And still they vote.
Mom told me to distrust the news. She said they never knew how messed up Roosevelt was. It was all hidden. They kept the press out until they had him stood up at the podium and his leg braces locked. Then let people in. He said his speech and they kicked everyone out to reverse it and get him back into his wheelchair. And they never let on the times his wife was actually running the country.
We got snowed about Kennedy. War wounds, bad back. Long after it came out that he had Addisons Disease and would have been dead in the next 5 years. And that he flipped out often due to it.
Us peasants never get the whole story. And the media only cares about viewers or readers and take the low road.