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9/26/2013 1:00:50 PM It's about time  

italiano72
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Many of us do not agree with each other view of things, we used to argue with each others calling each others names but never used racial remarks... lately this site has become nothing but a racist forum !!!!! It is sad that because of few fake ignorant posters we can't have a discussion without RACIST remarks.... It's time that the last few sane people on here started to FLAG and REPORT those RACIST.... LETS TAKE THIS FORUM BACK FROM THE RACIST.....

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9/26/2013 1:08:39 PM It's about time  
gonetolunch
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Boo-f**king-Hoo

9/26/2013 1:14:36 PM It's about time  

fearless8841
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Piece of advice: Don't feed the trolls.

If people would stop posting in deliberately offensive threads -- you know, the ones meant to hurt people -- they'd be pushed to the bottom and forgotten about in minutes.

Now, if you're counting threads where someone asks a hypothetical and it's racially driven, tough shit. Just block the ignorant ones, problem solved. Just remember, people have opinions, you don't have to agree with them.

Half the problem with these boards is that people take having an opinion way too far. Then, out come the slurs. Or they misconstrue what was meant as a legitimate debate and assumed the OP's were baiting. Either way...

Your best bet is to just block the deliberately ignorant people and avoid the threads where there may be a firestorm if it bothers you.

9/26/2013 1:27:30 PM It's about time  
deletedqueen
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I have decided to not feed the trolls.
I'm done. I know who they are.


9/26/2013 1:31:59 PM It's about time  

fearless8841
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Quote from loolaid:
gunter looks like a n**ger spic!


And a cousin f**ker too.

9/26/2013 1:37:13 PM It's about time  

fearless8841
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No, really. Go read his threads.

The guy is a Jerry waiting to happen with a follow up on Maury for the DNA test results.

9/26/2013 1:37:50 PM It's about time  

italiano72
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few people have been reported and flagged.... and I will keep on doing it no matter what nationality they are.... THIS RACISM BS ON HERE NEEDS TO STOP !!!!!!!!!!!!

9/26/2013 1:42:34 PM It's about time  
deletedqueen
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Quote from italiano72:
few people have been reported and flagged.... and I will keep on doing it no matter what nationality they are.... THIS RACISM BS ON HERE NEEDS TO STOP !!!!!!!!!!!!


Italiano...I understand your frustration but you need to look at the whole picture too. I've been labeled a racist for being a realist.
So make sure you know the difference before ya start flaggin...

9/26/2013 1:48:54 PM It's about time  

fearless8841
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Quote from deletedqueen:
Italiano...I understand your frustration but you need to look at the whole picture too. I've been labeled a racist for being a realist.
So make sure you know the difference before ya start flaggin...


I get the feeling we've been trolled.



9/26/2013 1:53:02 PM It's about time  

italiano72
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Quote from deletedqueen:
Italiano...I understand your frustration but you need to look at the whole picture too. I've been labeled a racist for being a realist.
So make sure you know the difference before ya start flaggin...


I know the difference.... plus once people start the racist name calling, it's not too hard to figure it out

9/26/2013 1:54:15 PM It's about time  

italiano72
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Quote from chrgunter64:
Agreed. I'm tired of it too. I come here for political debate and to talk about current events and those animals wanna race bait and call us whites bad names.


don't play the innocent role, you been flagged and reported along with few others....

9/26/2013 1:57:41 PM It's about time  

italiano72
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Quote from chrgunter64:
For what exactly? Telling the truth? Flag away idiot.



your racist remarks... racist name calling .... bye troll ......

9/26/2013 2:05:03 PM It's about time  

thebard58
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italiano

Throwing personal insults is against the forum rules.
But this forum does not seem to be well policed.
Many have suggested it is on purpose, because the "cat fights" add a certain amount of entertainment value, and it is possible that eliminating all the posters who indulge in this, would be deleterious to the financial aspect of this site. (The more people signed up, the better for the site).

As far as racist remarks...

I think that operating from racism (or any sort of "ism", for the most part) is illogical, and counterproductive to society.

However, I do uphold 1st amendment rights (freedom of speech) over "political correctness" (which I deem a form of censorship).

While, on the one hand, it is not good for negative attitudes to be perpetuated, on the other hand, it is better that they be honestly and openly expressed, than being part of a hidden agenda.

9/26/2013 2:05:12 PM It's about time  
deletedqueen
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I've had Gunter blocked for a while now...I can only see his posts if they're quoted. He's a troll...also Jitts..they're are the same one. J/s.

9/26/2013 2:06:32 PM It's about time  

italiano72
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Quote from chrgunter64:
Racist? Yea ok. Re read this thread genius and see which group of people are posting slurs.


I have read what you wrote what others have wrote and both been flagged and reported... plus do not forget the other post you have made in other threads....

9/26/2013 2:08:56 PM It's about time  

fearless8841
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OP aren't you being a bit overzealous by randomly flagging posts? I mean I digress, some of them are asshats. That doesn't give me the right to auto-flag everyone I don't agree with......................

9/26/2013 2:08:59 PM It's about time  

italiano72
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Quote from thebard58:
italiano

Throwing personal insults is against the forum rules.
But this forum does not seem to be well policed.
Many have suggested it is on purpose, because the "cat fights" add a certain amount of entertainment value, and it is possible that eliminating all the posters who indulge in this, would be deleterious to the financial aspect of this site. (The more people signed up, the better for the site).

As far as racist remarks...

I think that operating from racism (or any sort of "ism", for the most part) is illogical, and counterproductive to society.

However, I do uphold 1st amendment rights (freedom of speech) over "political correctness" (which I deem a form of censorship).

While, on the one hand, it is not good for negative attitudes to be perpetuated, on the other hand, it is better that they be honestly and openly expressed, than being part of a hidden agenda.


freedom of speech is one thing, racist remarks racist name calling is another....

9/26/2013 2:09:51 PM It's about time  

italiano72
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Quote from deletedqueen:
I've had Gunter blocked for a while now...I can only see his posts if they're quoted. He's a troll...also Jitts..they're are the same one. J/s.


his about to be blocked by me too along few others .....

9/26/2013 2:24:21 PM It's about time  

thebard58
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Quote from italiano72:
freedom of speech is one thing, racist remarks racist name calling is another....


Oh contrare, mon frere.

Once you start insisting upon censorship, you begin the process of eliminating the right altogether.

Freedom of speech must necessarily include the freedom to say things that others might find offensive.

9/26/2013 2:28:33 PM It's about time  

italiano72
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Quote from chrgunter64:
Ok whatever dude. A black guy literally posted the N word in this very threw and you report me for being a racist? Lmao. I know I know. Blacks can say the N word all they want and it's fine but you let one of us whites post a story about a black on white crime and we're racist bigots. I know I know.


Actually he has been flagged and reported too .... but anyway troll

9/26/2013 2:29:21 PM It's about time  

italiano72
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Quote from fearless8841:
OP aren't you being a bit overzealous by randomly flagging posts? I mean I digress, some of them are asshats. That doesn't give me the right to auto-flag everyone I don't agree with......................


racist remarks and racist name calling is not randomly flagging post.... it's trying to put a stop and the racist site this has become due to some posters ....

9/26/2013 2:30:52 PM It's about time  

italiano72
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Quote from thebard58:
Oh contrare, mon frere.

Once you start insisting upon censorship, you begin the process of eliminating the right altogether.

Freedom of speech must necessarily include the freedom to say things that others might find offensive.


again freedom of speech and calling racist names using racist words are against the law no matter what nationality it comes from.....

9/26/2013 2:32:01 PM It's about time  

italiano72
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Quote from loolaid:
what?



yes you have been flagged and reported.... this racist names calling needs to stop from both sides ......

9/26/2013 2:36:19 PM It's about time  

fearless8841
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So, it's free speech if it's not offensive to certain crowds or if it doesn't offend you. Good to know. I question your ability to discern the difference.

9/26/2013 2:57:08 PM It's about time  
deletedqueen
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Quote from poooochy:
just flag the f**k out of 'em like they do me.
.

Pooooch...I don't think they can flag you...your already deleted!
I still can't for the life of me figure out how your posting on a deleted profile!
If there is a trick to this, can someone please tell me?



Ot...I agree that the race baiting threads are rediculous. They do make people all defensive, no matter what race however it is CE&P and since the zim trial...RACE issues have been raised!



[Edited 9/26/2013 3:00:09 PM ]

9/26/2013 4:08:31 PM It's about time  

italiano72
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Quote from fearless8841:
So, it's free speech if it's not offensive to certain crowds or if it doesn't offend you. Good to know. I question your ability to discern the difference.


It is people with your mentality that will keep on putting more gasoline on a fire.... Bad apples are found in every groups. Racist comments and racist name calling will only make things worse and split the society...

9/26/2013 7:44:19 PM It's about time  

thebard58
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Quote from italiano72:
again freedom of speech and calling racist names using racist words are against the law no matter what nationality it comes from.....


Absolutely incorrect.

What is against the law, is committing violence.
And greater penalties have been legislated for violence that is classified as "hate crime".

Using any sort of insulting term, whether it be racist, sexist, communist, or any other sort of "ist" is protected by the 1st amendment.
And when this is no longer the case, as some people wish to make it, and persons such as yourself seem to think it is, then you might as well kiss the COTUS goodby, and call America a police state (which is the direction we are heading, and not too far from).

What persons with this idea need to understand is:

What I am saying (and I think fearless was taking the same stance) is not that anyone should approve of being nasty to anyone else, but rather that you can not legislate against it, because... that is the path to totalitarianism. (Some reading I suggest to understand this concept: "1984", and "Fahrenheit 451).
You are setting a very dangerous precedent, when you advocate censorship.

The first amendment:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.


Do you understand what the word "abridging" means?

As Patrick Henry said:
I may not agree with what you say, but I shall defend to my death your right to say it
.

That is what is truly "American", not insisting upon trying to enforce courtesy, or "political correctness".

9/26/2013 8:07:56 PM It's about time  

fearless8841
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Quote from italiano72:
It is people with your mentality that will keep on putting more gasoline on a fire.... Bad apples are found in every groups. Racist comments and racist name calling will only make things worse and split the society...


My mentality? I'm not the one having a forum temper tantrum, am I?

9/26/2013 9:34:59 PM It's about time  

italiano72
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Quote from thebard58:
.

That is what is truly "American", not insisting upon trying to enforce courtesy, or "political correctness".


Obliviously you need to do more research.... Call someone the N word in front of the police and see what happens....

9/26/2013 9:35:43 PM It's about time  

italiano72
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Quote from fearless8841:
My mentality? I'm not the one having a forum temper tantrum, am I?


temper tantrum ??? LMFAO....

9/26/2013 9:38:52 PM It's about time  

italiano72
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Quote from hornetsnest2:
I agree.........

GOT A PLAN????



what part of flag and report didn't you understand ?

9/26/2013 9:41:27 PM It's about time  

italiano72
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Quote from hornetsnest2:
Oh please.........You would know an intelligent debate if it sat on your face. Besides, you instigate many of these racially motivated threads. So, I fine your commentary very dishonest. If not deluded.



obviously you are another troll.....

9/26/2013 9:50:23 PM It's about time  

italiano72
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Quote from hornetsnest2:
You must have me confused with someone else. Perhaps you need to revise your statement.


Hit the wrong person quote.... that wasn't for you .... but for the person you quoted .... my bad ...

9/26/2013 9:57:59 PM It's about time  

italiano72
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Thank you.... hopefully one day we can go back to what this forum was like .....

9/27/2013 2:38:14 AM It's about time  

ftgreenbrooklyn
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yes you have been doing great, lets see if people follow your lead.

9/27/2013 5:35:26 AM It's about time  
peterk2
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Quote from murdamane187:
I haven't posted anything racist of inflammatory in days. But that still doesn't stop all of the other racist posters. I am just one man that can only post 2 threads a day. That still does not stop 20+ racist threads from being created a day. I am not the problem here. The majority of posters in CE & p are racist trolls. I meant what I posted earlier. I am far from a troll.


bullshit.

9/27/2013 2:37:15 PM It's about time  

thebard58
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Quote from italiano72:
Obliviously you need to do more research.... Call someone the N word in front of the police and see what happens....


Better be nothing more than a personal comment about it being rude. Because...
If any law enforcement officer were to try to arrest someone, simply for using an insulting or offensive term, then it would make a serious case for false arrest.

I understand that there is a segment of society attempting to legislate speech, but (so far) unless you can be convicted of "inciting a riot", it is still legal to say whatever you desire.

And I would say you are the one who needs to do more research, into the 1st amendment.

Because advocating, (even allowing) that sort of censorship, is directly contradictory to one of the most fundamental, basic foundations upon which this country was created, and thrived for 2 centuries.

9/27/2013 2:45:26 PM It's about time  

whays
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Kumbaya choir practice at 4pm.

9/27/2013 8:35:38 PM It's about time  

fearless8841
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Quote from whays:
Kumbaya choir practice at 4pm.




9/27/2013 8:40:50 PM It's about time  

italiano72
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Quote from thebard58:
Better be nothing more than a personal comment about it being rude. Because...
If any law enforcement officer were to try to arrest someone, simply for using an insulting or offensive term, then it would make a serious case for false arrest.

I understand that there is a segment of society attempting to legislate speech, but (so far) unless you can be convicted of "inciting a riot", it is still legal to say whatever you desire.

And I would say you are the one who needs to do more research, into the 1st amendment.

Because advocating, (even allowing) that sort of censorship, is directly contradictory to one of the most fundamental, basic foundations upon which this country was created, and thrived for 2 centuries.


you might want to check the law ....... disorderly conduct, harassment, inciting of a riot just few that came to mind .....

9/27/2013 8:44:37 PM It's about time  

italiano72
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Quote from verat:
problem is theres racism against whites too paisan


there is racism with all nationality....

years back we didn't have this nonsense on here.... now every thread you got people using racial slur

9/27/2013 9:28:37 PM It's about time  

thebard58
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italiano

Disorderly conduct, harassment, or inciting a riot would all require much more than just calling someone an insulting name. (and I don't care if it is "the N word", or "prick", "A-hole", "S.O.B." or any other pejorative)

And if you think that that should not be the case...

If you think that any American should be charged with a crime simply for name calling...

My label for people with that attitude is: "fascist", and traitors to the COTUS.

Freedom of speech means just that.

Unless, and until, what is said can be proven to cause physical or financial harm (in which case "torts" is in effect), there is no crime.

Being discourteous, rude, even hateful, is not against the law, no matter how much some would like to make it so.
And attempting to legislate/regulate free speech, in that respect is unconstitutional, and un-American.

9/27/2013 11:19:10 PM It's about time  

italiano72
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Quote from thebard58:
italiano

Disorderly conduct, harassment, or inciting a riot would all require much more than just calling someone an insulting name. (and I don't care if it is "the N word", or "prick", "A-hole", "S.O.B." or any other pejorative)

And if you think that that should not be the case...

If you think that any American should be charged with a crime simply for name calling...

My label for people with that attitude is: "fascist", and traitors to the COTUS.

Freedom of speech means just that.

Unless, and until, what is said can be proven to cause physical or financial harm (in which case "torts" is in effect), there is no crime.

Being discourteous, rude, even hateful, is not against the law, no matter how much some would like to make it so.
And attempting to legislate/regulate free speech, in that respect is unconstitutional, and un-American.



here is one new word for you ....... "Harm principle" .... as I have said have a better understanding of what freedom of speech really mean ........

10/2/2013 5:22:14 AM It's about time  
zeitgeist2
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Quote from italiano72:

here is one new word for you ....... "Harm principle" .... as I have said have a better understanding of what freedom of speech really mean ........


Uhm...isn't "harm principle" TWO words?




10/2/2013 5:54:57 AM It's about time  
blue_eye_gal
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I would love to see the racist commentary disappear from these threads and this forum. The lack of courtesy and manners on the internet in general is disheartening.
DH is infected with people who have this mindset that they can throw every negative, nasty, vile and contemptful thing that they can imagine out there in threads. First Amendment rights are wonderful. But they are not an excuse to breed hate or to poison the forums.