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8/16/2016 5:23:49 PM Jesus is coming again | Page 3  

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Quote from ludlowlowell:
If Jesus is Joseph's natural son, how can He be God's Incarnate Son?


Jesus can be God's incarnate Son because God made Him His incarnate Son. For Christ's sake, do you even know what the word "incarnate" means?

Do you seriously think that God can't make Jesus His incarnate Son without human "signs and wonders" like virgin births? What sort of amateur God do you believe in? What does it matter how God did it? It's none of your business, only God's.

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So, is Jesus just another one of God's adopted sons, like you and me, or is He God's only BEGOTTEN Son? That's the central question here---did God begat Jesus or did Joseph begat Jesus?

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Quote from ludlowlowell:
So, is Jesus just another one of God's adopted sons,


So you say.


like you and me,


So you say.

I don't know what you're talking about. Are you an "adopted son of God"? I wouldn't know. I do know that Jesus says you don't even love God, so perhaps you have been disinherited.

or is He God's only BEGOTTEN Son?


Yes, Jesus is God's only begotten Son, but He's not the only one.

33:1.1 Our Creator Son is the personification of the 611,121st original concept of infinite identity of simultaneous origin in the Universal Father and the Eternal Son. The Michael of Nebadon is the “only-begotten Son” personalizing this 611,121st universal concept of divinity and infinity.

Don't go nuts over the "only begotten Son" thing. It means different things to different levels of understanding. There are 700,000 "only begotten" Creator Sons. Jesus is one of them. They are all divine beings. They are all God, just like Jesus.

That's the central question here---did God begat Jesus or did Joseph begat Jesus?


The central question here is: you're an idiot. There is no "or" above, as you have forced, a two sided choice. How did the question of how Jesus came about become an "either or" choice of the two choices YOU offer? Are you seriously saying that God is limited to the two choices YOU give? Unbelievable.

God can use whatever method He wants to use to make the fetus in Mary into Jesus. He doesn't have to use your "virgin birth" signs and wonders, keep-up-with-the-Pagans method. A tweaked strand of DNA here, a changed molecule there, and voila!, the fetus is Jesus. Throw out all your fantasies about Mary's hymen, her perpetual hymeninaty, her and Joseph's imaginary perpetual celibacy, and all that crap. Joseph and Mary were normal people, normally married and normally having sexual relations. Counting Jesus, the first born, Joseph and Mary had 9 children, all blood brothers and sisters of Jesus.

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"Jesus is God's only begotten Son, but He is not the only one."

??????

Was that a typo?

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FJO has clarified one of the ridiculous Urantia fairy tales by these quotes:

Yes, Jesus is God's only begotten Son, but He's not the only one.

33:1.1 Our Creator Son is the personification of the 611,121st original concept of infinite identity of simultaneous origin in the Universal Father and the Eternal Son. The Michael of Nebadon is the “only-begotten Son” personalizing this 611,121st universal concept of divinity and infinity.

Don't go nuts over the "only begotten Son" thing. It means different things to different levels of understanding. There are 700,000 "only begotten" Creator Sons. Jesus is one of them. They are all divine beings. They are all God, just like Jesus.{?????}

BUT WHAT DOES GOD'S WORD SAY???

Revelation 17:14 They will make war against the Lamb, but the Lamb will overcome them because He is **LORD** of lords and King of kings--and with Him will be His called, chosen and faithful followers!!

Jesus our Lord and Savior is called the Lamb of God 30 times in Revelation.

John 14:6 Jesus says, "I am the Way and the Truth and the Life. No one comes to the Father except through Me!!"

Hebrew 1;6-8: When God brings His firstborn into the world He says, "Let all God's angels worship Him!" In speaking of the angels He says, "He makes His angels winds, His servants flames of fire." but about the Son He says, "Your throne O ***GOD***, will last for ever and ever!"

Revelation 22:8,9: John said, "I fell down to worship the angel who had been showing them to me. But the angel said to me, "Do not do it!! I am a fellow servant with you and with your brothers the prophets and of all that keep the words of this book. **WORSHIP GOD!!"

Matthew 28:18-20: Jesus says, " **ALL AUTHORITY** in heaven and **ON EARTH** has been given to Me. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations...teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you **ALWAYS**, to the very end of the age!!"

Ephesians 1:19-23: That power is like the working of His mighty strength, which He exerted in Christ when He raised Him from the dead and seated Him at His right hand in the heavenly realms far above all rule and authority, power and dominion, and every title that can be given, not only in the **PRESENT AGE** but also in the one to come. And God placed all things under His feet and appointed Him to be ***HEAD*** over everything for the **CHURCH**, which is His body. the fullness of Him who fills everything in every way!!



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ludlow...

You don't read the Bible, do you?

CLV Gn 6:2 And seeing are sons of the elohim the daughters of the human, that they are good, and taking are they for themselves wives of all whom they choose.

CLV Gn 6:4 Now the distinguished come to be in the earth in those days, and, moreover, afterward, coming are those who are sons of the elohim to the daughters of the human, and they bear for them. They are the masters, who are from the eon, mortals with the name.


H430 'elohiym el-o-heem'
plural of H433;

gods in the ordinary sense; but specifically used (in the plural thus, especially with the article) of the supreme God; occasionally applied by way of deference to magistrates; and sometimes as a superlative.


'Elohim' is God.


CLV Mt 5:9 "Happy are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God.

The Catholic church lies.

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Jesus could be God's adopted son if Joseph was his natural Father, but if He is God's begotten Son, God Himself has to be the Father. And if Jesus is God's ONLY begotten son, as the scripture clearly says, then these 700,000 creator sons of Urantia must not exist.

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All born again Christians believe that Luther didn't understand that REWARDS are 100 percent earned; whereas **FAITH** is 100% Free!! Luther also wrongly believed that James and Revelation were not part of God's Word.

TNT and the Roman Catholics wrongly believe that we are saved by our good works????

HOW ARE WE SAVED BY **FAITH** WHICH IS THE **FREE GIFT** OF GOD??

Hebrews 11:1,3,6,9,10,13-16: Now **FAITH** is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see...By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God's command, so that what is seen was not made out of what is visible... And without **FAITH** it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to Him must believe that He exists and that He rewards those who earnestly seek Him. ... By **FAITH** Abraham made his home in the promised land like a stranger in a foreign country; he lived in tents, as did Isaac and Jacob, who were heirs with him of the same promise. For he was looking forward to the city with foundations, whose architect and builder is God...All these people were still living by **FAITH** when they died. They did not receive the things promised; they only saw them and welcomed them from a distance. And they admitted that they were strangers on earth. People who say such things show they are looking for country of their own. If they had been thinking of the country they had left, they would have opportunity to return. Instead, they were looking for a better country--a heavenly one. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for He has prepared a city for them! {The New Jerusalem with its New heaven and New Earth. as per Revelation 21:1-5}

Romans 3:22-25,27,28: This righteousness from God comes through **FAITH** in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference, for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and are justified freely by His grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus. God promised Him as a sacrifice of atonement , through **FAITH** in His blood!!....Where, then, is boasting? It is excluded . On what principle? On that of observing the law? No, but that of **FAITH**! For we maintain that a man is justified by **FAITH** apart from observing the law!

Romans 4:6-8: David says the same thing when he speaks of blessedness of the man whom God credits righteousness apart from works! {In Psalm 32:1,2:} "Blessed are they whose transgressions are forgiven, whose sins are covered. Blessed is the man whose sin the Lord will **NEVER** count against him!"

Isaiah 53:5,6: But He was pierced for our transgressions, He was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was upon Him, and by His wounds we are healed. We all, like sheep have gone astray, each of us has turned to his own way; and the Lord has laid on Him the iniquity of us all!!

Romans 10:17: **FAITH** comes from hearing the message, and the message is heard through the Word of Christ!

Galatians 5:5,6: By **FAITH** we eagerly await through the Spirit the righteousness for which we hope. For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision has any value. The **ONLY THING** that counts is **FAITH** expressing itself through Love!

Colossians 1:4-6: We have heard of your **FAITH** in Christ Jesus and of the LOVE you have for all the saints--the **FAITH** and LOVE that spring from the hope that is stored up for you in heaven and that you have already heard about in the Word of Truth, the Gospel that has come to you!

Ephesians 2:4-10: But because of his great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy, made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions--it is by Grace you have been saved. And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with Him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus, in order that in the coming ages He might show the incomparable riches of His GRACE, expressed in His kindness to us in Christ Jesus. For it is by Grace you have been saved, through **FAITH**--and this is NOT from yourselves, it is the **GIFT OF GOD**--not by works; so that no one can boast. For we are God's workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do!

John 6:37,39,44,65: Jesus says, "All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and whoever comes to Me I will **NEVER** drive away...And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that I shall **LOSE NONE** of all that He has given Me, but raise them up at the Last Day... No one can come to Me **UNLESS** the Father who sent Me draws him, and I will raise them up at the Last Day!... No one can come to Me **UNLESS** the Father has **ENABLED** them!!"




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Quote from ludlowlowell:

It is relatively easy to lose one salvation. All it takes is one mortal sin.

BUT WHAT DOES GOD'S WORD SAY???

Romans 829-33,35,38,39: For those God foreknew He also predestined to be conformed to the likeness of His Son...And those He predestined, He also called; those He called , He also justified; those He justified He also glorified. What shall we say in response to this? If God is for us, who can be against us? He who did not spare His Son but gave Him up for us all--how will He not also give us all things? Who will bring any charge against those whom God has chosen? It is God who justifies. Who is he who condemns... Who shall separate us from the love of Christ?... For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels or demons, neither the present or the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord!!

Romans 4:7,8: Blessed are they whose transgressions are forgiven, whose sins are covered. Blessed is the man whose sin the Lord will **NEVER** count against him!"

John 6:37,39,44,65: Jesus says, "All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and whoever comes to Me I will **NEVER** drive away...And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that I shall **LOSE NONE** of all that He has given Me, but raise them up at the Last Day... No one can come to Me **UNLESS** the Father who sent Me draws him, and I will raise them up at the Last Day!... No one can come to Me **UNLESS** the Father has **ENABLED** them!!"

Hebrews 10:11-18: Day after day every priest performs his religious duties again and again he offers the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins. But when this Priest had offered for all time **ONE SACRIFICE FOR SINS**, He sat down at the right hand of God... Because by **ONE SACRIFICE** He has made ***PERFECT FOREVER*** those who are being made holy. The Holy Spirit also testifies to us about this. First he says: "This is the covenant I will make with them after that time says the Lord. I will put My laws in their hearts, and I will write them on their minds." The he adds" Their sins and lawless acts I will remember **NO MORE**." And when these have been forgiven, there is **NO LONGER** any sacrifice for sin!!

Ephesians 1:5-8: In love He predestined us to be adopted as His sons through Jesus Christ, in accordance with His pleasure and will--to the praise of His **GLORIOUS GRACE**, which He has freely given us in the One He loves. In Him we have **REDEMPTION THROUGH HIS BLOOD**, the **FORGIVENESS OF SINS**, in accordance with the riches of God's grace that He lavished on us with all wisdom and understanding!




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Unless the Son of God is a title or species of some sort.

CLV Jn 1:12 Yet whoever obtained Him, to them He gives the right to become children of God, to those who are believing in His name,

CLV Jn 11:52 and not for the nation only, but that He may be gathering the scattered children of God also into one.

CLV Ro 8:16 The spirit itself is testifying together with our spirit that we are children of God.

CLV Ro 8:21 that the creation itself, also, shall be freed from the slavery of corruption into the glorious freedom of the children of God.

CLV Phl 2:15 that you may become blameless and artless, children of God, flawless, in the midst of a generation crooked and perverse among whom you are appearing as luminaries in the world,

CLV 1Jn 3:1 Perceive what manner of love the Father has given us, that we may be called children of God! And we are! Therefore the world does not know us, for it did not know Him.

CLV 1Jn 3:2 Beloved, now are we children of God, and it was not as yet manifested what we shall be. We are aware that, if He should be manifested, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him according as He is.

CLV 1Jn 3:10 In this are apparent the children of God and the children of the Adversary: everyone who is not doing righteousness is not out of God, and who is not loving his brother.

CLV 1Jn 5:2 In this we know that we are loving the children of God, whenever we may be loving God and may be doing His precepts.



There sure are alot of references to the Children of God. Sons of God are also Children of God.

It seems the Catholic church, or at least ludlow, will lead us astray because they do not read the Scriptures, as Jesus commanded.

The Catholic church is corrupt.

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God has many adopted sons, but only one begotten Son.

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I don't recall FJO saying anything about more than one "Only Begotten Son."

Once again, ludlow, you have created a straw-man argument and accused FJO of saying something he did not say.

You lie, ludlow. And you accuse your brother of saying and doing what he has never said or done.

Again, I feel sorry for you.

The Catholic church is corrupt.

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FJO is a poytheist, Bigd, or in painer words, a pagan.

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The Catholic church is based on several pagan rituals.

And you have already contradicted yourself several times here.

There are no 700,000 gods in Urantia. And you don't understand what a Son of God is. Or a Child of God fro that matter.

The Catholic church is corrupt.

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Are you becoming a Urantiaist?

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Why do you want to know?

Are you writing a book?

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Quote from ludlowlowell:
"Jesus is God's only begotten Son, but He is not the only one."

??????

Was that a typo?


What does that have to do with the word "incarnate"?

Do you, or don't you, know what the word "incarnate" means?

8/19/2016 5:25:11 PM Jesus is coming again | Page 3  

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Quote from prophetic774:
FJO has clarified one of the ridiculous Urantia fairy tales by these quotes:


Ridiculous why, Proph? Ridiculous because it's not what you currently believe? That's really all you have going.

Yes, The Urantia Book reveals new information and corrects old ideas, and it may not always be exactly what you currently believe. That, in itself, does not make it ridiculous. It could be your beliefs that are ridiculous and "fairy tales." You really have no way of knowing.

What you're saying, Proph, is, "The Urantia Book is ridiculous because it doesn't say everything that I already believe."

I forgive you. But if you can ever get over your fear, please read it.

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I have prophetic blocked because he continues to blanket post the forum and he refuses to engage in a discussion (at least with me) so how about asking him this question for me.

Do you really believe Jesus would order man to stone and burn people to death at the stake for these reasons, Prophetic?

Kill People Who Don't Listen to Priests (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)
Kill Witches (Exodus 22:17 NAB)
Kill Homosexuals (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)
Kill Fortunetellers (Leviticus 20:27 NAB)
Death for Hitting Dad (Exodus 21:15 NAB)
Death for Cursing Parents (Proverbs 20:20 NAB, Leviticus 20:9 NLT)
Death for Adultery (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)
Death for Fornication (Leviticus 21:9 NAB)
Death to Followers of Other Religions (Exodus 22:19 NAB)
Kill Nonbelievers (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)
Kill False Prophets (Zechariah 13:3 NAB)
Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God (Deuteronomy 13:13-18 NLT)
Kill Women Who Are Not Virgins On Their Wedding Night (Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB)
Kill Followers of Other Religions. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB, Deuteronomy 17:2-5 NLT)
Death for Blasphemy (Leviticus 24:10-16 NLT)
Kill False Prophets (Deuteronomy 13:1-5 NLT, Deuteronomy 18:20-22 NLT)
Infidels and Gays Should Die (Romans 1:24-32 NLT)
Kill Anyone who Approaches the Tabernacle (Numbers 1:48-51 NLT)
Kill People for Working on the Sabbath (Exodus 31:12-15 NLT)
Kill Sons of Sinners (Isaiah 14:21 NAB)

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I would do it if he had you blocked, but since it's you who has him blocked, I think it would be better, if you want to communicate with him, that you unblock him to do it.

Yeah, I know, I don't like his blanket posting either. I try to just read the first one I come across in a set and skip the rest. But often he makes good anti Catholic points, and sometimes he comments, perhaps ignorantly, but mostly honestly, about The Urantia Book. I try to correct him about the book when I can, though I doubt it does any good. He's afraid. That's why he has to declare that The Urantia Book is "ridiculous." It's not exactly everything he already believes so he has to label it like that to protect his own possibly ridiculous beliefs, which don't seem ridiculous to him because... because he's used to his and so they seem normal. When people get used to something it seems normal to them. It's like our world at war all the time. It seems normal to us.

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Well, I made a mistake. I thought I had prophetic blocked and maybe I did at one time but I just checked my blocked list and he is not one of the three I have blocked (which are on the religion forum) so he must have me blocked. So again how about quoting my post to him so he can see it.

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Quote from cupocheer:


In Antioch, original apostles, Peter & John, declined being the "overseer, if you will" of the Christian Church and deferred to James, (The Just), brother of Jesus Christ, to attain that position of "judge" of 'law' and 'religion '. James 'ruled' that Gentiles (Christians) should abide by the Law of Moses. (see OT God's Covenent with Moses, and NT Jesus' affirmation (second Covenent) to follow Law of Moses).



However, Peter and John never appointed James as the prime overseer of the Christian Church which is completely ridiculous!! James never ruled that we should abide by the law of Moses and even agreed with Jesus who stated that we should no longer make oaths [See Matthew 5:33-37} as per the Law of Moses in James 5:12. These versus are quoted below.

In the OT God ordered Israel to kill their enemies many times and God helped them do it. However in the NT Jesus commands, "Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you. If someone strikes you on one cheek, turn to him the other also." Luke 6:27-29

Leviticus 26:7,8: God said to Israel, "You will pursue your enemies, and they will fall by the SWORD before you. Five of you will chase a hundred, and a hundred of you will chase ten thousand, and your enemies will fall by the SWORD before you!" Numbers 25:16,17" The Lord said to Moses, "Treat the Midianites as enemies and kill them!" etc etc

HOWEVER IN THE NEW COVENANT, JESUS SAYS, "ALL WHO DRAW THE SWORD WILL DIE BY THE SWORD!"

Jesus said to His 11 Apostles, "If you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one. For it is written: "And He was numbered with the transgressors"{Isaiah 53:12} and I tell you that this must be fulfilled in Me. Yes, what is written about Me is reaching its fulfillment." The disciples said, "See Lord, here are 2 {Not 11}swords." "That is enough." Jesus replied.

Matthew 26:30-34: They seized Jesus and arrested Him. With that, one of Jesus' companions reached for his sword, drew it out and struck the servant of the high priest, cutting off his ear. "Put your sword back in its place," Jesus said to him, "For *ALL* who draw the sword will die by the sword...But how then would the Scriptures be fulfilled that say it must happen in this way?"

And so the only reason that Jesus allowed the disciples to have 2 swords was so that the Scripture in Isaiah 53:12 would be fulfilled: "He was numbered among the transgressors."

Jesus said to Pilate, "My Kingdom is not of this world. If it were, My servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jews. But **NOW** My Kingdom is from another place!"

Former OT commands in Exodus 21:23-25 "If there is serious injury, you are to take life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, bruise for bruise."

This was changed by these NT commands by Jesus:

Matthew 5:38,39: Jesus commands, "You have heard that it was said {In Exodus 21:23-25 above}, 'Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.' But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek turn to him the other also!"

Luke 6:27-29: Jesus commands, "LOVE YOUR ENEMIES, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. If someone strikes you on one cheek, turn to him the other also. If someone takes your cloak, do not stop him from taking your tunic. Give to everyone who asks you, and if anyone takes what belongs to you. do not demand it back!"

Romans 12:18-21: If it is possible, as far as it DEPENDS ON YOU, LIVE AT PEACE WITH EVERYONE! Do not take revenge my friends, but leave room for God's wrath, for it is written, "It is mine to revenge, I will repay," says the Lord. On the contrary "If your enemy is hungry, feed him. If he is thirsty, give him something to drink. In doing this, you will heap burning coals on his head" Do not be overcome by evil but OVERCOME EVIL WITH GOOD!!

2 Corinthians 10:3,4: "For though we live in the world, we do not wage war as the world does. The weapons we fight with are *NOT* the weapons of the world."

The only weapons that NT saints may use who follow the New Covenant commands of Jesus is the Sword of the Spirit which is the Word of God. A NT saint would not even think of joining the army of any nation and becoming a professional killer or defending himself with a gun. Unfortunately very few Groups such as the Amish and Mennonites still obey these sacred commands of Jesus.

I John 2:3-5: "We know that we have come to know Him if we obey His {Jesus'} commands. The man who says, "I know him," but does not do what He {Jesus} commands is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But if anyone obeys His Word, God's love is truly made complete in him."

The inspired words of the NT were inspired by God between AD 50 and AD 96 and the 4 Gospels were written about AD 65 And so all of the approximately 400 NT commands were not completed and in force until Around AD 96.

When you join the military and become a professional killer you must make a **VOW** that you will obey all the commands of your commanding officer. And so if He commands you to drop an Atomic Bomb that will kill about 100,000 civilians including about 25,000 innocent children you must obey this command!!!

What is th OT command concerning *VOWS* and *OATHS*?? Numbers 30:2: Moses said, "This is what the Lord commands: When a man makes a *VOW* to the Lord or takes an *OATH* to obligate himself by a pledge, he must not break his word but must do everything he said!"

What are the NT commands concerning making *VOWS* and **OATHS*??

James 5:12: "ABOVE ALL, my brothers, do not swear--not by heaven or by earth or by anything else. Let your "Yes" be yes, and your "No," no, or you will be condemned.!!"

Matthew 5:33-37: Jesus says, "You have heard that it was said to your people long ago {Numbers 30:2 above}, 'Do not break your oath, but keep the oaths you have made to the Lord.' BUT I tell you, Do not swear at all....Simply let your 'Yes' be 'Yes,' and your 'No, 'No'; anything beyond this comes from the evil one!!"

Anyone who claims that Jesus did not change OT laws is completely blind. All of the OT sabbath laws have been eliminated. All of the OT sacrificial and temple laws have been eliminated by the eternal sacrifice for sins by Jesus. All of the stoning to death laws for breaking the law have been eliminated. All of the laws concerning killing your enemies, and eye for an eye and making oaths have been eliminated. All Circumcision laws have been eliminated. And Jesus declared that all foods are now *CLEAN*!!


Mark 7:18,19: Jesus says, "Are you so dull?" He asked. "Don't you see that nothing that enters a man from the outside can make him 'unclean'? For it doesn't go into his heart but into his stomach, and then out of his body." In saying this. Jesus declared ALL FOODS "CLEAN!"



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Quote from kb2222:
I have prophetic blocked because he continues to blanket post the forum and he refuses to engage in a discussion (at least with me) so how about asking him this question for me.

Do you really believe Jesus would order man to stone and burn people to death at the stake for these reasons, Prophetic?

Kill People Who Don't Listen to Priests (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)
Kill Witches (Exodus 22:17 NAB)
Kill Homosexuals (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)
Kill Fortunetellers (Leviticus 20:27 NAB)
Death for Hitting Dad (Exodus 21:15 NAB)
Death for Cursing Parents (Proverbs 20:20 NAB, Leviticus 20:9 NLT)
Death for Adultery (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)
Death for Fornication (Leviticus 21:9 NAB)
Death to Followers of Other Religions (Exodus 22:19 NAB)
Kill Nonbelievers (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)
Kill False Prophets (Zechariah 13:3 NAB)
Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God (Deuteronomy 13:13-18 NLT)
Kill Women Who Are Not Virgins On Their Wedding Night (Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB)
Kill Followers of Other Religions. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB, Deuteronomy 17:2-5 NLT)
Death for Blasphemy (Leviticus 24:10-16 NLT)
Kill False Prophets (Deuteronomy 13:1-5 NLT, Deuteronomy 18:20-22 NLT)
Infidels and Gays Should Die (Romans 1:24-32 NLT)
Kill Anyone who Approaches the Tabernacle (Numbers 1:48-51 NLT)
Kill People for Working on the Sabbath (Exodus 31:12-15 NLT)
Kill Sons of Sinners (Isaiah 14:21 NAB)


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Quote from tnteacher101:



Jesus did not come for the whole world but He came only for the Children of Israel.

Steve


This is the most Satanic ridiculous statement ever!!!!

Matthew 28:18-20: Jesus says, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to Me. Therefore go and make **DISCIPLES OF ALL NATIONS**.... teaching them {Disciples of all nations} to obey everything I have commanded you!!

Revelation 5:8-10: The four living creatures and the 24 elders fell down before the Lamb and they sang a new song: "You are worthy to take the scroll and open its seals, because You were slain, and with Your blood you purchased men for God from **EVERY TRIBE AND LANGUAGE AND PEOPLE AND NATION**. You have made them a kingdom and priests to serve our God!!"



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The Jewish race was the race chosen by Jesus for His appearance in the flesh but Jesus came into the world to "bear witness unto the truth" about God and He did this for all peoples of the world. Jesus poured out upon the world at Pentecost the Holy Spirit of Truth as His Replacement Teacher and it is an absolute absurdity to think this Holy Spirit was just for the Jews. God/Jesus didn't write the Bible and you church indoctrinated book believers are so confused and morally and spiritually stagnated it is pathetic.


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Furch, you say: “There are no "gods" in The Urantia Book.” So you are saying that not only is Jesus Christ not the ONLY BEGOTTEN son of “God”, but that he is also NOT part of the Blessed Trinity, NOT the Second Person of the Blessed Trinity incarnate, NOT part of the God Head, that he is not God. And yet you say: “Yes, I believe in the Trinity, so stop your lying Louie.” Well, Furch, you are tripping all over your feet trying to rationalize your Urantia Book beliefs. Jesus not being the ONLY begotten son of God by a virgin birth, but rather the son of Joseph by ordinary sexual intercourse is a Urantia Book doctrine. So if the revelation in the Urantia Book is of divine origin, then the revelation in the Bible is not.

And no, Jesus is not Saint Michael the archangel—these are two different persons. Saint Michael the Archangel, a little insignificant angel who exhibited heroic courage during the Angelic Revolt, became the prince of Angels after the Angelic Revolt, but he was not begotten by God nor part of the God Head. Stop trying to make your Urantia Book doctrines consistent with Biblical doctrine (it is neither consist with Biblical doctrine or with itself). Reconciling these desperate doctrines cannot be done--error CANNOT be reconciled with truth. Your statement that there are 700,000 ONLY ONLY begotten sons of God is an act of utter desperation on your part. There can be, by definition, only one ONLY BEGOTTEN son of God. When you have to redefine words to save a doctrine, that is a huge red flag that something is wrong with your doctrine. Adam was a created son of God, Jesus Christ, the Second Adam, on the other hand, was the only begotten son of God. Through the first Adam, salvation was lost, through the Second Adam, it was regained for men of good will.

Look Urantia Book adherents. It has been pointed out to you that Urantia Book revelations are inconsistent with those of the Bible, and that if the Urantia Book is of divine origin, then the Bible is not, and visa versa, if the Bible is of divine origin then the Urantia Book is not. And you concede this point. These are two different sets of revelations from two different sources.

We are living today in the Period of Trial of the Apocalypse when Satan and his demons roam the world like furies, seeking to deceive even the elect if that were possible. The Urantia Book, which is from this period, is part of that supreme effort by Satan. So today the world is being flooded with false doctrine and false revelation. So discernment is necessary, especially today. And there are definite ways to discern authentic divine revelation from the unauthentic. And this is exceptionally important today. Yet, to the best of my knowledge, the criteria for discerning authentic divine revelation has never been taken up in this Christian forum, at least not since I have been posting here.

Each set of doctrine and revelation have specific key doctrines and revelation that set them apart from all other sets of doctrine and revelation. So the first step is to take all the doctrines that come to your attention and separate them into piles of doctrines and revelation, using these key doctrines and revelations as filters. The pile that is true divine revelation is internally self consistent, because God is a God of Truth, he does not contradict himself. This internally consistent pile is unique in that it will typically be inconsistent with all other piles of revelation. So the task is to find the pile that is internally self consistent. (And although there will be thousands of different piles, there are shortcuts that make it possible to eliminate hundreds of piles at a time that have a particular doctrine in common, but I won't get into that here).

For example, the Urantia Book, which purports to tell us who Christ really was and what Christ really taught, teaches us that Jesus Christ was not the Only Begotten Son of God, that he is not the Son of God miraculously conceived by the Holy Spirit without sexual intercourse and born of Mary, ever virgin, but rather the son of Joseph by ordinary sexual intercourse, and that this son of Joseph was none other than Saint Michael the Archangel incarnate, not the Second Person of the Blessed Trinity incarnate. Two different revelations here about who Christ really was. They cannot both be of divine origin. Urantia Book adherents, knowing that both sets of revelation, being inconsistent with each other, cannot both be of divine origin, categorically dismiss the Biblical revelation as having been corrupted, not the Urantia Book.

When it is pointed out to Urantia Book adherents posting here that the Urantia Book teaches that there are 700,000 creator sons of God, therefore Jesus Christ, according to the Urantia Book, cannot be the Only Begotten Son of God, they desperately state that the 700,000 creators sons of God are “ALL ONLY ONLY BEGOTTEN Sons of God”, which is an internal contradiction. There can be only one ONLY BEGOTTEN son of God.

But this is just a single example, there are countless other examples that could be given showing that if the revelation in the Bible and elsewhere is of divine origin then the Urantia Book is not.

Louie

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Urantiaism is a throwback to the ancient paganism. Actually it is worse because the ancient classic Romans and Greeks believed in only a few pagan gods, whereas the Urantiaists believe in 700,000 of them.

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Quote from louie6332... But this is just a single example, there are countless other examples that could be given showing that if the revelation in the Bible and elsewhere is of divine origin then the Urantia Book is not.
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louie is going to pontificate on two books that he has never read. The Bible and Urantia.

The Catholic church is deceptive.

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Quote from ludlowlowell... Urantiaism is a throwback to the ancient paganism. Actually it is worse because the ancient classic Romans and Greeks believed in only a few pagan gods, whereas the Urantiaists believe in 700,000 of them.
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Actually Catholicism is based on many pagan beliefs.

The Catholic church is deceptive.

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What is paganism? Paganism is the belief in more than one God. Catholics, as well as Eastern Orthodox, Protestants, Jews, and Muslims, brlieve in only one God, so by definition they aren't pagans.

Bigd, do you believe in the 700,000 pagan gods of the Urantia Book?

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Louie, do you really believe Jesus would order man to stone and burn people to death at the stake for all these reasons?

Kill People Who Don't Listen to Priests (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)
Kill Witches (Exodus 22:17 NAB)
Kill Homosexuals (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)
Kill Fortunetellers (Leviticus 20:27 NAB)
Death for Hitting Dad (Exodus 21:15 NAB)
Death for Cursing Parents (Proverbs 20:20 NAB, Leviticus 20:9 NLT)
Death for Adultery (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)
Death for Fornication (Leviticus 21:9 NAB)
Death to Followers of Other Religions (Exodus 22:19 NAB)
Kill Nonbelievers (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)
Kill False Prophets (Zechariah 13:3 NAB)
Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God (Deuteronomy 13:13-18 NLT)
Kill Women Who Are Not Virgins On Their Wedding Night (Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB)
Kill Followers of Other Religions. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB, Deuteronomy 17:2-5 NLT)
Death for Blasphemy (Leviticus 24:10-16 NLT)
Kill False Prophets (Deuteronomy 13:1-5 NLT, Deuteronomy 18:20-22 NLT)
Infidels and Gays Should Die (Romans 1:24-32 NLT)
Kill Anyone who Approaches the Tabernacle (Numbers 1:48-51 NLT)
Kill People for Working on the Sabbath (Exodus 31:12-15 NLT)
Kill Sons of Sinners (Isaiah 14:21 NAB)

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Quote from ludlowlowell... What is paganism? Paganism is the belief in more than one God. Catholics, as well as Eastern Orthodox, Protestants, Jews, and Muslims, brlieve in only one God, so by definition they aren't pagans.
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Where did you get your dictionary from? A box of Crackerjack?

Take your foot out of your mouth long enough to look up the word "pagan."

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Quote from ludlowlowell... Bigd, do you believe in the 700,000 pagan gods of the Urantia Book?
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I have never read the Urantia Book so I wouldn't comment on that.

Have you?

The Catholic church is deceptive.

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Quote from ludlowlowell:
What is paganism? Paganism is the belief in more than one God. Catholics, as well as Eastern Orthodox, Protestants, Jews, and Muslims, brlieve in only one God, so by definition they aren't pagans.

Bigd, do you believe in the 700,000 pagan gods of the Urantia Book?

There is only one God the Father, Ludlow. But God the Father in conjunction with God the Eternal Son and God the Holy Spirit at times of their choosing bring into existence what the UB reveals as Paradise Creator Sons - each one being the only begotten Son of that particular divine creation of which Jesus was one and these Paradise Creator Sons for all intents and purposes are the personification of God to the evolutionary beings on the worlds of their creation.

Each of the 700,000 Paradise Creator Sons rule as the Sovereign over a sector of the universe comprising approximately 10 million inhabitable worlds. The universe is VAST Ludlow and it is organized. Your problem since you haven't read the Urantia Book is self-righteous prideful IGNORANCE.



[Edited 8/21/2016 1:59:59 PM ]

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Quote from ludlowlowell:
What is paganism? Paganism is the belief in more than one God. Catholics, as well as Eastern Orthodox, Protestants, Jews, and Muslims, brlieve in only one God, so by definition they aren't pagans.

Bigd, do you believe in the 700,000 pagan gods of the Urantia Book?


You are a liar. There are no "gods" in The Urantia Book. There is only one God in The Urantia Book. You should stop your religious lying. It may be another sign of your religious obsessive-compulsive disorder.

Bigd, you may want to to read the thread "But going to Congession is so humiliating" on the Religion Forum. A breakthrough has been made which goes a long way to explain Ludlow's "my way or the highway" positions on these things. He has a mental illness called "Scrupulosity." It's a religious form of obsessive-compulsive disorder (OCD). It drives people to the "false certainties" that pope Francis speaks about.

Pope Francis says:
"We Catholics have some — and not some, many — who believe they possess the absolute truth and go ahead dirtying the other with calumny, with disinformation, and doing evil. They do evil. I say this because it is my Church." [The pope] further added that "fundamentalism is more idolatry than actual religion, warning that 'ideas and false certainties' can take the place of faith, love, and God."

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Jesus is the ONLY begotten Son of the Father. The 700,000 "creator sons" of Urantia are nothing more than false pagan gods.

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And it is painfully obvious that ludlow doesn't know what a "son of God" is.

I have already posted the Scripture that shows the "Children of God."

If ludlow doesn't believe it, it must be pagan or heretical. Right?

The Catholic church is corrupt.

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Quote from ludlowlowell:
Jesus is the ONLY begotten Son of the Father. The 700,000 "creator sons" of Urantia are nothing more than false pagan gods.


So you say, but Jesus says you don't even love God enough to obey Him and I don't listen to those who don't love God. Listening to someone who Jesus said doesn't love God is like listening to Satan. And even pope Francis talks about your calumny and your "false certainties."

Only Satan would be at odds with Jesus as much as you are.

Jesus: Mat 6:6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.

Ludlow: I would recommend that people pray sometimes to Mary or one of the saints... Let the prayer life have some variety. Do me a favor, KB, say one Hail Mary every day for a week, and if you do it with an open mind, I guarantee you will grow closer to Jesus.

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Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now, and at the hour of our death.

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You're just hurting yourself.

Jesus: Mat 6:6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.

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Quote from ludlowlowell:
Jesus is the ONLY begotten Son of the Father. The 700,000 "creator sons" of Urantia are nothing more than false pagan gods.

The universe is VAST Ludlow and it is organized. Your problem since you haven't read the Urantia Book is self-righteous, prideful, arrogant, blasphemous, IGNORANCE.

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Quote from ludlowlowell:
Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now, and at the hour of our death.


Are you dying?

And you are praying to a dead saint?

Not very effective.

The Catholic church lies.

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If my Blessed Mother is praying for me at the hour of my death, most likely I'll be admitted into Heaven, or at least Purgatory.

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Quote from ludlowlowell:
If my Blessed Mother is praying for me at the hour of my death, most likely I'll be admitted into Heaven, or at least Purgatory.


You have no "Blessed Mother," there is no Purgatory, and no one praying for you can help you in any way.

You are only saved by "loving the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbor as thyself." (Luke 10:27)

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But that's just it---the Blessed Mother helps us to love God with all our hearts, souls, minds, and strength.

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There is no "Blessed Mother."

It's all made up catholic doctrines of men nonsense.

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"Hail holy queen, mother of mercy, our life, our sweetness, and our hope. To thee do we cry,poor banished children of Eve. To thee do we lift up our mourning and weeping in this valley of tears. Turn, then, o gracious mother, thine eyes of mercy toward us, and, after this our exile, show unto us the blessed fruit of thy womb, Jesus. O clement, o loving, o sweet Virgin Mary."

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You're losing your grip on reality. And you give God and Jesus the finger every time you pray to Mary. Doubling down on this won't help you get over your obvious case of scrupulosity OCD. You just dig your hole deeper with each prayer that is directed to dead humans.

Mat 6:6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.

Why won't you obey Jesus? What in the world is wrong with you?

Your prayer to Mary was quite sickening.



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Wayn, are you still here? This is your thread. Are you going to allow this evil below, posted by Ludlow:

"Hail holy queen, mother of mercy, our life, our sweetness, and our hope. To thee do we cry,poor banished children of Eve. To thee do we lift up our mourning and weeping in this valley of tears. Turn, then, o gracious mother, thine eyes of mercy toward us, and, after this our exile, show unto us the blessed fruit of thy womb, Jesus. O clement, o loving, o sweet Virgin Mary."

This is real heresy, wayn, and it needs to be suppressed, imo, just like the catholics suppressed so called heresies when they were in control.

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Quote from ludlowlowell... "Hail holy queen, mother of mercy, our life, our sweetness, and our hope. To thee do we cry,poor banished children of Eve. To thee do we lift up our mourning and weeping in this valley of tears. Turn, then, o gracious mother, thine eyes of mercy toward us, and, after this our exile, show unto us the blessed fruit of thy womb, Jesus. O clement, o loving, o sweet Virgin Mary."
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Very good ludlow. You are sounding more and more like an automaton every day.

Your Catholic priests must be very proud.

The Catholic church lies.

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Yes, Jesus is coming again just like He said He would and when He does He is coming to judge the living and those who have died already. He is coming to establish His kingdom over all the earth visibly when He visibly returns to earth. Every eye will see Him just as Job will also, as He said in Job 19:23-27

Oh, that my words were recorded, that they were written on a scroll, that they were inscribed with an iron tool on lead, or engraved in rock forever! I know that my Redeemer lives, and that in the end He will stand on the earth. And after my skin has been destroyed, yet in my flesh I will see God; I, myself, will see Him with my own eyes—I, and not a stranger. How my heart yearns within me!

Who is coming to Zion (Is 50:20), One who is from Zion Himself, the Redeemer and Deliverer (Rom 11:26), who will turn Israel from its unbelief and transgressions and redeem them.

"The Redeemer will come to Zion, to buy back those in Israel who have turned from their sins," says the LORD."

And Who is Job going to actually see in his resurrected flesh?

God--visibly standing in His glorified, resurrected and ascended flesh, our returning King and Redeemer.

When He returns, His feet will come down once again upon the Mt. of Olives (Zech 14:14) and split the valley.


Micah 1:2-4 Hear, O peoples, all of you; Listen, O earth & all it contains, And let the Lord GOD be a witness against you, The LORD from His holy temple. Look! The LORD is coming! He leaves His throne in heaven and treads upon the high places of the earth. Mountains will melt under him like wax near a fire. Valleys will split apart like water pouring down a steep hill.

Job will see Immanuel: God with us (Mt 1:23; Is 7:14), God manifest in the flesh!

I Tim 3:16 (YLT) And, confessedly, great is the secret of piety -- God was manifested in flesh, declared righteous in spirit, seen by messengers, preached among nations, believed on in the world, taken up in glory!

Titus 2:12-14 It [God's grace] instructs us to renounce ungodliness and worldly passions, and to live sensible, upright, and godly lives in the present age, as we await the blessed hope and glorious appearance of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ. He gave Himself for us to REDEEM US from all lawlessness and to purify for Himself a people for His own possession, zealous for good deeds.

Jude 1:14,15 Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about them: “See, the Lord is coming with thousands upon thousands of his holy ones to judge everyone, and to convict all of them of all the ungodly acts they have committed in their ungodliness, and of all the defiant words ungodly sinners have spoken against him.

The living God and Redeemer, the Lord Jesus Christ is coming again visibly to the earth, to judge the living and the dead, to redeem repentant Israel when they actually see Him in Zion, having descended from heaven, His feet coming down on the Mt. of Olives, leaving His throne and returning with the saints and angels.

This is what the prophets have taught ever since Enoch, this is what the righteous man Job taught, this is what Jesus and the Apostles taught. This is what the early fathers taught and the ancient church and saints of God. This is what I believe and this is indeed my blessed hope, the same hope that Job had! Oh glory!

Rev 22:17,20,21 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely...He who testifies to these things says, “Yes, I am coming soon.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus! The grace of the Lord Jesus be with all the saints. Amen.

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We wait for the **BLESSED HOPE**---the glorious **APPEARING** of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ!!

I Peter 1:13: “Therefore, prepare your minds for ACTION, and set your hope *FULLY* on the grace to be given YOU when Jesus Christ is *REVEALED*.

I Cor 1:7: “YOU do not lack any spiritual gift as YOU eagerly wait for our Lord Jesus Christ to be *REVEALED*.”

Now the pre-tribbers claim that this glorious *REVEALING or *REVELATION* of Jesus will be *CONCEALED* BEFORE the beginning of the Great Tribulation. However, every other time the Word *REVEALED* {Greek-Apocalipsis} is used related to resurrection events it refers to the glorious REVEALING of Jesus on the *LAST DAY* of the Great Tribulation {See 2 Thess 1:7-10 & Luke 17:26-31}. And *CONCEALED* is the exact opposite of *REVEALED* and *APPEARED* according to every dictionary!

Titus 2:13: “*WE* wait for the *BLESSED HOPE*—the glorious *APPEARING* of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. Hebrews 9:28

“Jesus will *APPEAR* a 2nd time {And not a 3rd TIME!} to bring salvation to those who are waiting for Him!”

Colossians 1:2; 3:4: “To the holy and faithful brothers in Christ.... When Christ, who is your life **APPEARS**, then you also will **APPEAR** with Him in glory.”

I John 3:2,3: “When Jesus *APPEARS*, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is. Everyone who has this hope in Him purifies himself, just as He is pure!!”

Matthew 24:29,30: Jesus says, “IMMEDIATELY AFTER the distress of those days {The Great Tribulation} the sun will be darkened and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from the sky. At that time the sign of the Son of Man will *APPEAR in the sky and the nations will *SEE* the Son of Man COMING on the clouds of the sky with power and great glory!!” I John 2:28: “Dear children, continue in Him, so that when He *APPEARS* WE may be confident and unashamed before Him at His COMING!” {See 2 Thess 1:7-10; I Tim 6:14; Heb 9:28 & Col 3:4}

2 Tim 4:8: Paul said, There is in store for me the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous Judge, will award to me on THAT DAY—and not only to me, but to *ALL who have longed for His *APPEARING*!!”

I Peter 5:4: “When the Chief Shepherd **APPEARS**, you will receive the crown of glory that will never fade away!”

2 Thess 1:1,6-10: ‘To the *CHURCH* of the Thessalonians…God is just; He will pay back trouble to those who trouble you and give relief to you who are troubled, and to us as well. This will happen *WHEN* the Lord Jesus is *REVEALED* {See I Peter 1:13} from heaven in blazing fire…. He will punish those who do not know God and do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. They will be punished with everlasting *DESTRUCTION* and shut out from the presence of the Lord *ON THE DAY HE COMES* to be glorified in His holy people!!”

A meeting at an appointed place and time is called a RENDEZVOUS. We have a RENDEZVOUS with eternity at the glorious *APPEARING and *REVEALING of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ *IMMEDIATELY AFTER the 1260-day Great Tribulation.



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Today, Aug. 22, in the Church's liturgy, is the Feast of the Queenship of Mary.

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It doesn't matter. It's all irrelevant and it's disrespectful to God and to Jesus. Mary is your church's equivalent-replacement of a Roman-Mithraic pagan goddess. Your church just changed the name.

"Both Mithras and Christ were described variously as 'the Way,' 'the Truth,' 'the Light,' 'the Life,' 'the Word,' 'the Son of God,' 'the Good Shepherd.' The Christian litany to Jesus could easily be an allegorical litany to the sun-god. Mithras is often represented as carrying a lamb on his shoulders, just as Jesus is. Midnight services were found in both religions. The virgin mother...was easily merged with the virgin mother Mary. Petra, the sacred rock of Mithraism, became Peter, the foundation of the Christian Church."

"Mithra or Mitra is...worshipped as Itu (Mitra-Mitu-Itu) in every house of the Hindus in India. Itu (derivative of Mitu or Mitra) is considered as the Vegetation-deity. This Mithra or Mitra (Sun-God) is believed to be a Mediator between God and man, between the Sky and the Earth. It is said that Mithra or [the] Sun took birth in the Cave on December 25th. It is also the belief of the Christian world that Mithra or the Sun-God was born of [a] Virgin. He travelled far and wide. He has twelve satellites, which are taken as the Sun's disciples.... [The Sun's] great festivals are observed in the Winter Solstice and the Vernal Equinox—Christmas and Easter. His symbol is the Lamb...."

Mithraic Doctrine

1) The center of the Mithraic sun-cult was at ROME.

2) The leader of the ritual service was titled PATER, Latin for father -- inherited by the priesthood of Catholicism (against Matthew 23:9), and they wore CRUXES as amulets, with costumes of black, having NEHRU collars, originating from the Indo-Iranian roots.

3) There was a PATER-PATRATUS over the paters -- a papa or POPE.

4) The hierarchy initiates below pater were called BROTHERS.

5) The cult was for MEN ONLY.

6) The cult had the Trinity: MITHRAS, RASHNU and VOHU MANAH -- 3 "persons," but yet "one."

7) SUN-DAY was kept hallowed in honor of Mithras -- the sun -- called Mithras Solis Invictus. This has produced our popular name for the first day of the week, Sunday. The pattern of resting on Sun-day comes to us directly through what is called the BLUE LAWS, enforced first throughout the Roman Empire then through the western traditions into our New World. The edict was initiated by Constantine I, forbidding officials, artisans or merchants from engaging in any work on the SUN-DAY, to give honor to the sun, MITHRAS.

8) There were 5 levels within the hierarchy.

9) DECEMBER 25 was observed as MITHRAS' BIRTHDAY, called "Natalis Invictus" -- the rebirth of the winter sun, unconquered.

10) Initiates had to undergo a ritual sprinkling (affusion, which involved being under a bull, or Taurus which, being cut to death, allowed the initiate to become saturated with blood. The custom of bloody BULLFIGHTS seen in Spain harken back to this cult. (The custom of performing Christian "baptisms" in the spring at Easter-time will take on greater meaning as we learn the following information).

11) Special value was attributed to the moral virtues of religion, truthfulness, purity and generosity.

12) Mithraists would enter "paradise" (a Persian word itself, also called Eleusian Fields, Nirvana and Nether World) by the THREE STEPS:

(a) The Good Thought.
(b) The Good Word.
(c) The Good Deed.

13) The cult supported the DIVINE RIGHT OF KINGS (including Emperor worship).

14) The PATER (father) stood at one end of an oblong room, performing mysterious blood rituals. There was an indoor altar at his end on which a victim (Latin, "host") was SACRIFICED. They had a sun-shaped wafer disc like the Egyptians, and the assembly knelt, sat and stood in unison.

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The guy who believes in 700,000 pagan gods is worried about pagan cults!

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Quote from brashdoc... Oh, that my words were recorded, that they were written on a scroll, that they were inscribed with an iron tool on lead, or engraved in rock forever!
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Kinda self serving, Don't you think?

Oh that my words were recorded? You sound like a drama queen Hollywood actress.

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Quote from ludlowlowell... Today, Aug. 22, in the Church's liturgy, is the Feast of the Queenship of Mary.
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There is no "queen-ship" of Mary. She is dead and buried. May she rests in peace.

She served her lord.

The Catholic church lies.

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Quote from ludlowlowell:
The guy who believes in 700,000 pagan gods is worried about pagan cults!


You are a liar, again and again. That must be because you don't love God.

There are no "gods" in The Urantia Book and I do not believe in any "gods."

Stop your lies. That's the very least you can do to save your soul. Then obey Jesus.

Why won't you?

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There are 700,000 "creator sons", right? That's 700,000 pagan gods.