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miraculously conceived by the Holy Spirit and delivered by a virgin birth,

No, Louie, I don't believe in the "signs and wonders" version of events that you believe in, the magical stuff. No. Neither I nor God need "virgin births" to make Jesus into Jesus. How do you think Luke knew that Mary was virgin? Do you think the angel Gabriel went about the countryside blaring a trumpet announcing that Mary was a pregnant 14 or 15 year old virgin? Grow up, Louie, while there is still time.

he believes he was the son of Joseph by normal sexual intercourse, that both Mary and Joseph both broke their solemn vows of celibacy.

Yes, Louie, God can use "normal sexual intercourse" to make Jesus into Jesus. He doesn't need your magical signs and wonders gimmicks.

Mary and Joseph never took any such "solemn vows of celibacy." That's more magical nonsense you need to prop up your other magical beliefs. It's also, almost assuredly, just more doctrines of men piled on other doctrines of men. Did your church make that up like it makes up so many other things, like "perpetual virginity"? It's a lot like lying. In fact, is is lying:

"O, what a tangled web we weave when first we practise to deceive!"

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followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 75, joined May. 2012 online now!	Where and when did Lud say this, Proph? I must have missed it. It's entirely the doctrines of men, as almost all of Lud's stuff is anymore. "...for a mortal sin to be forgiven, we must go to a priest." Lud, your sickness is increasing. Ludlow, speaking for Satan, says: "I would recommend that people pray sometimes to Mary or one of the saints... Let the prayer life have some variety." Quote from prophetic774: Quote from ludlowlowell: Two different things here, prayer, and forgiveness of sin. Catholics, nust kike Protestants, Old Testament Jews, modern day News, or anyone else, can go to God in prayer any time they wish. And so also forgiveness of venial sin. But for a mortal sin to be forgiven, we must go to a priest. Recap: prayer and forgiveness of sin are two different things. BUT GOD'S WORD TELLS US TO ONLY PRAY TO THE FATHER FOR FORGIVENESS OF SINS!! Matthew 6:5-11 Jesus commands, “When you PRAY, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues {churches} and on the street corners to be seen by men...But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and PRAY to your FATHER,(NOT TO PRIESTS!) who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret will reward you..This, then, is how you should pray: “OUR FATHER {NOT PRIESTS OR MARY} in heaven hallowed be your name, your kingdom come, your will be done, on earth as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread.” And Luke 11:4 adds, FORGIVE US OUR SINS, for we also forgive everyone who sins against us.” I Timothy 5:5: The widow who is really in need and left all alone puts her hope in God and continues night and day to pray and *ASK GOD* for HELP! I Thessalonians 5:17,18: Pray CONTINUALLY; give thanks in ALL circumstances, for this is God's will for you in Christ Jesus. Ephesians 3-19: I pray that out of his glorious riches He may stenghten you with power through His Spirit in your inner being, so that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith. And I pray that you, being rooted and established in love, may have power, together with all the saints, to grasp how wide and long and high and deep is the love of Christ, and to know that love which surpasses knowledge—that you may be filled to the measure of the fullness of God! 2 Thessalonians 1:11,12: We constantly pray for you, that our God may count you worthy of His calling, and that by His power He may fulfill every good purpose of yours and every act prompted by your faith. We pray this that the name of our Lord Jesus may be glorified in you, and you in Him, according to the grace of our God and the Lord Jesus Christ. John 17:15-17: Jesus prayed, “My prayer is not to take them out of the world but that you protect them from the evil one. Sanctify them by the Truth Your Word is Truth!” I Peter 3:12: The eyes of the Lord are on the righteous and HIS EARS are attentive to their prayer. Philippians 4:6: Do not be anxious about anything, but in everything, by prayer and petition, with thanksgiving present your requests TO GOD. (NOT TO PRIESTS OR MARY} I John 5:17 This is the confidence we have in approaching God; that if we ask anything ACCORDING TO HIS WILL HE hears us. Matthew 18:10-14: Jesus said, “Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. The Pharisee stood up and prayed about himself: 'God, I thank you that I am not like other men—robbers, evildoers, adulterers—or even like this tax collector. I fast twice a week and give a tenth of all I get.' “But the tax collector stood at a distance, He would not even look up to heaven, but beat his breast and said, 'God, have mercy on me, a sinner.” “I tell you that this man rather than the other, went home justified before God. For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted!” Meet singles at DateHookup.dating, we're 100% free! Join now!
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bigd9832 Chicago, IL 64, joined Oct. 2007	Quote from ludlowlowell... The Catholic Church tells the truth. Uncomfortable truth, sometimes, and that is why it is hated so much by worldly souls, but, then again, Jesus was hated for the very same reason. ******************************************************************************* The Catholic church lies and so do you. The Catholic church lies about Mary being the "mother of God." The Catholic church lies about Jesus founding the Catholic church. The Catholic church lies about the "euchrist." The Catholic church lies about people going to heaven. The Catholic church lies about "hell." You lie about all these things too. And you have been so wrong about so much. When I mentioned "celestial bodies" you thought they were movie stars. When I said there was a difference between Jesus Christ and Christ Jesus you said it was just a word game. These are just examples as the list of your lies, the lies of the Catholic church, and what you have been wrong about is very long. The Catholic church lies.
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bigd9832 Chicago, IL 64, joined Oct. 2007	Quote from ludlowlowell... I want you to admit that you are wrong about the Catholic Church. Wrong about the Trinity. Wrong about the divinity of Christ. Wrong about Heaven, Hell, and Purgatory. Wrong about the Fathers of the Church and the historicity of their writings. Wrong about the Synod of Hippo and about how the Bible came to be. Wrong about your ridiculous and unhistorical statement that the Catholic Church was founded in 1054 and that the first pope was in 900 (how could there be a pope in 900 if there wasn't a Catholic Church until 154 years later?). I grew up Methodist. I was willing to say that my former opinions were wrong. If I can do it, why can't you? *************************************************************************** Just a peek into one of ludlow's many tantrums. I used to think there was a "hell." I was counted as a Christian and it seemed most Christians believed there was a "hell" at that time. It was the Lord Who showed me there wasn't. I was wrong about "hell." Now I know there is no "hell." But I was never stupid enough to believe all that other crap that ludlow is trying to push on us. It seems ludlow wants us to ignore what the history experts have to say about the what happened 1000 years ago or so. ludlow the cab driver believes that he knows more than all those experts put together. The Catholic church lies.
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ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 65, joined Feb. 2008 online now!	Are they letting mere cab drivers into the Kingdom of God these days! Oh, horrors! Dahhhhling, I I cahn't pohsibbly imagine that! Pretty soon they'll be allowing all minds of working class people in the Kingdom of God! Soon they might be allowing fishermen, soldiers, tent makers, shepherds, prostitutes, and---horror of horrors---carpenters into the Kingdom of God! I hope you don't get the vapors, Bigd. And please explain how the Catholic Church had a pope in 900 when you say the Catholic Church was not founded until 1054.
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bigd9832 Chicago, IL 64, joined Oct. 2007	That is simple. There were people who supported having a "pope." It akin to the apostate Jews. Personally I doubt you will get into His Kingdom. But that's just me, and I don't make those decisions. But if you do, I am sure I will be your teacher, or someone very much like me. The Catholic church lies.
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ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 65, joined Feb. 2008 online now!	You contradicted yourself, Bigd. You said there was no Catholic Church until 1054, but you said the Church had its first pope in 900. That is not possible.
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bigd9832 Chicago, IL 64, joined Oct. 2007	The contradiction is only in your own head, and nowhere else. It is evident that there were people who supported the idea of a "pope." They were not called "catholics." These two are synonymous in your own mine only. In reality these two items are mutually exclusive. That is to say each stands alone from the other. You want us to believe that the Catholic church has been the same since the time of Jesus, but it has not. The reality is that it went through many changes over the last 1000 years or so. I have seen some of those changes in my life time. Latin masses and the change in status of the "saints." There was a time when the Catholic church was allowed to kill people. That time has passed. Today, pretty much everywhere, if the Catholic church kills anyone they persons responsible will face the charges, even if it was the "pope." I have seen a story where a Catholic priest was a pedophile and he was brought to justice. That is, he went to prison. He was defrocked when he went to prison. It is a very simple concept. I don't understand why it is so hard for you to grasp. There were people who supported having a "pope" before the "catholic" portion of church broke away from the Eastern or orthodox portion of the church. See my thread... The Catholic church is not the Oldest https://DateHookup.dating/thread-1315824.htm This is real history from a real historian. Not some made up BS from another Catholic faker. The Catholic church lies.
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ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 65, joined Feb. 2008 online now!	Q. Who is the pope? A. The pope is the visible head of the Catholic Church. Q. When was the Catholic Church founded? A. According to Bigd, in 1054. Q. So the first pope must have taken office at that time? A. According to Bigd, the first pope took office in 900. Q. That makes no sense. A. You'll have to ask Bigd about that. Q. Never mind Bigd---when was the Catholic Church REALLY founded, and who was REALLY the first pope? A. The Church was founded circa a.d. 33 by our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, and Christ appointed Peter to be the first pope at that time.
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kb2222 Jacksonville, FL 77, joined Apr. 2011	You are a liar of the worse kind, Ludlow. Jesus didn't found the Catholic church and Peter was not the first pope and Jesus didn't instruct man to unquestionably believe in any book the RCC compiled. Jesus sent into the world the Holy Spirit of Truth at Pentecost as His replacement teacher which the corrupt and self-serving Popes of the RCC usurp by their demand that they be addressed as Holy Father claiming moral and spiritual infallibility. And that's exactly why you are morally depraved and spiritually lost, Ludlow.
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bigd9832 Chicago, IL 64, joined Oct. 2007	Quote from ludlowlowell... Q. Who is the pope? A. The pope is the visible head of the Catholic Church. ********************************************************************************** The first "pope" was called the Bishop of Rome, not "pope." He was NOT the visible head of the Catholic church. ludlow's answer is wrong. I am still waiting for the Ancient term for "hell" and the names of the manuscripts that Jerome used. The Catholic church lies.
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ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 65, joined Feb. 2008 online now!	Finally Bigd said something that was correct. Prior to 900 a.d. the man that English speakers now call the pope was called by some of his other titles, among them bishop of Rome. And Peter was the cirst bishop of Rome. Gehenna, Hades, Infernum, and Sheoul were all ancient names for what we now call in English "Hell". Does this place, whatever we call it, have everlasting fire? Prior to Jesus' time the ancients were not sure, but Jesus made it clear that yes, there is a place of eternal torment, and yes, there is painful fire there. If there isn't eternal torment there, wjy did Jesus say there would be wailing and gnashing of teeth there? [Edited 8/8/2016 12:41:28 PM ]
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kb2222 Jacksonville, FL 77, joined Apr. 2011	Jesus didn't write the Bible and God our Holy Father wouldn't be a God of Truth, Love, Righteousness and Justice if He tortured for all eternity in a fiery Hell those who didn't love Him and the fact that you think He does shows how morally depraved and spiritually lost/dead you are, Ludlow.
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ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 65, joined Feb. 2008 online now!	Jesus said there was a Hell, a firey place of eternal torment. Would you call Jesus depraved or spiritually lost?
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cupocheer Assumption, IL 68, joined May. 2010	Quote from ludlowlowell: Jesus said there was a Hell, a firey place of eternal torment. Would you call Jesus depraved or spiritually lost? Are you 'depraved', LUD? You just said recently, in another thread, that Jesus never used the word hell. Which is it? He did or he didn't? There is NO half-way to hell place called purgatory. Where, in the Bible, is purgatory discussed Oh, and before I forget.... "denominations".
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ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 65, joined Feb. 2008 online now!	Quote from cupocheer: Are you 'depraved', LUD? You just said recently, in another thread, that Jesus never used the word hell. Which is it? He did or he didn't? There is NO half-way to hell place called purgatory. Where, in the Bible, is purgatory discussed Oh, and before I forget.... "denominations". One thing we have to remember about Jesus is that Jesus did not speak English. The English language as we know it today did not exist back in His day. Jesus did not use the English word "Hell" but He did speak of a place of eternal torment where there would be fire and wailing and gnashing of teeth, what we call "Hell" in English. Purgatory is mentioned in scripture at 1 Corinthians 3:13-15, 2 Maccabees 12:43-44, Matthew 12:36, Matthew 5:25-26, Luke 12:58-59, and 1 John 5:16. Again, the modern English word "Purgatory" is at none of these places, but a place where minor sins andctransgressions have to be made up for is clearly there in all of the above-mentioned passages.
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louie6332 Falkville, AL 75, joined Nov. 2011	Kb, Urantia Book promoter, you say: “Jesus didn't found the Catholic Church and Peter was not the first pope and Jesus didn't instruct man to unquestionably believe in any book the RCC compiled. Jesus sent into the world the Holy Spirit of Truth at Pentecost as His replacement teacher” Kb, don’t pretend to go by the Bible when you go by the Urantia Book. You deny the words of Christ to Peter, thou are rock, and upon this rock I will build my Church, I give to you the Keys to the Kingdom of Heaven, whatever you hold bound on Earth will be held bound in Heaven, and whatever you loose on Earth will be loosed on Earth. Christ thereby appointed Peter his prime minister during his long absence till his return. Oh I know, I know, the Urantia Book probably slaps these words, along with half his teeth, right out of the mouth of Christ. The Holy Spirit, whom you claim is Our Lord’s replacement, described the Church established by Jesus Christ as “Apostolic” and “Catholic” in the Apostle’s Creed Prayer, which he gave to the Apostles on the approach of Pentecost. The term “Catholic” here means that the Church established by Christ teaches ALL that Christ taught (that’s what the term originally meant). Oh I know, I know, the Urantia Book implies that the Holy Spirit led thousands of Protestant Sects and Communions, who all claim the Bible as their sole authority, to thousands of different conflicting doctrines--they cannot agree among themselves on what it is that Christ taught. But this is outright blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of Truth. Is the Holy Spirit the author of confusion and contradiction? And oh I know, I know, the Urantia Book implies that the Apostles of Christ had no successors, that when an Apostle died, they did not replace him, that when the last of the original Apostles died, the Church died. Right Kb? The Church of Jesus Christ today is as dead as a body without breath and has no power to save. Right Kb? Of course that would put the lie to Christ’s promise that he would be with his Church till the end of the World Age, and that the Gates of Hell would not prevail against it, but Christ lied about that. Right Kb? And don't tell me there is no Hell, the word "Hell" is not in the Urantia Book. But the word, contrary to what BigD would have us believe, is in the Bible. But according to the Urantia Book Jesus Christ is a nobody anyway. Right Kb? He is not the only begotten son of God by a miraculous virgin birth, he is actually the son of Joseph by ordinary intercourse--both Mary and Joseph broke their vows of celibacy. Right Kb? Kb, you’ve been had. We are in the Period of Trial of the Apocalypse during which Satan and his demons roam the world like furies, seeking the ruin of souls and to deceive even the elect, if that were possible. And you are helping them. Louie
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followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 75, joined May. 2012 online now!	Quote from ludlowlowell: Jesus said there was a Hell, a firey place of eternal torment. He did not.
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followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 75, joined May. 2012 online now!	Quote from ludlowlowell: Purgatory is mentioned in scripture at 1 Corinthians 3:13-15, 2 Maccabees 12:43-44, Matthew 12:36, Matthew 5:25-26, Luke 12:58-59, and 1 John 5:16 Purgatory is not mentioned.
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cupocheer Assumption, IL 68, joined May. 2010	Quote from ludlowlowell: One thing we have to remember about Jesus is that Jesus did not speak English. The English language as we know it today did not exist back in His day. Jesus did not use the English word "Hell" but He did speak of a place of eternal torment where there would be fire and wailing and gnashing of teeth, what we call "Hell" in English. Purgatory is mentioned in scripture at 1 Corinthians 3:13-15, 2 Maccabees 12:43-44, Matthew 12:36, Matthew 5:25-26, Luke 12:58-59, and 1 John 5:16. Again, the modern English word "Purgatory" is at none of these places, but a place where minor sins andctransgressions have to be made up for is clearly there in all of the above-mentioned passages. I answered the "hell" definition earlier, in another thread, Lud. Are you reading any of these posts? The Maccabees were not included in the Bible, LUD, because that book was deemed not to have been "inspired". Just because the Catholic Bible contains that man-made ul stuff doesn't make it inspires scripture. (historical references) Let me add: 1 Corinthians 3:13-15 doesn't say a thing about any lurgatirg, LUD. The fire mentioned means "God's judgement". [Edited 8/8/2016 2:11:29 PM ]
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bigd9832 Chicago, IL 64, joined Oct. 2007	Sheol Old Testament. The Hebrew word seol [l/a.v], "Sheol, " refers to the grave or the abode of the dead ( Psalms 88:3 Psalms 88:5 ). http://www.biblestudytools.com/dictionary/sheol/ *********************************************************************************** She'ol (/'?i?o?l/ shee-ohl or /'?i??l/ shee-?l; Hebrew ??????? Š?ôl), in the Hebrew Bible, is a place of darkness to which all the dead go, both the righteous and the unrighteous, regardless of the moral choices made in life, a place of stillness and darkness cut off from life and from the Hebrew God.[1] The inhabitants of Sheol are the "shades" (rephaim), entities without personality or strength.[2] Under some circumstances they are thought to be able to be contacted by the living, as the Witch of Endor contacts the shade of Samuel for Saul, but such practices are forbidden (Deuteronomy 18:10).[3] While the Old Testament writings appear to describe Sheol as the permanent place of the dead, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheol ********************************************************************************* SHEOL (): By: Emil G. Hirsch Position and Form. Hebrew word of uncertain etymology (see Sheol, Critical View), synonym of "bor" (pit), "abaddon" and "sha?at" (pit or destruction), and perhaps also of "tehom" (abyss). —Biblical Data: It connotes the place where those that had died were believed to be congregated. Jacob, refusing to be comforted at the supposed death of Joseph, exclaims: "I shall go down to my son a mourner unto Sheol" (Gen. xxxvii. 36, Hebr.; comp. ib. xlii. 38; xliv. 29, 31). Sheol is underneath the earth (Isa. vii. 11, lvii. 9; Ezek. xxxi. 14; Ps. lxxxvi. 13; Ecclus. [Sirach] li. 6; comp. Enoch, xvii. 6, "toward the setting of the sun"); hence it is designated as (Deut. xxxii. 22; Ps. lxxxvi. 13) or (Ps. lxxxviii. 7; Lam. iii. 55; Ezek. xxvi. 20, xxxii. 24). It is very deep (Prov. ix. 18; Isa. lvii. 9); and it marks the point at the greatest possible distance from heaven (Job xi. 8; Amos ix. 2; Ps. cxxxix. 8). The dead descend or are made to go down into it; the revived ascend or are brought and lifted up from it (I Sam. ii. 6; Job vii. 9; Ps. xxx. 4; Isa. xiv. 11, 15). Sometimes the living are hurled into Sheol before they would naturally have been claimed by it (Prov. i. 12; Num. xvi. 33; Ps. lv. 16, lxiii. 10), in which cases the earth is described as "opening her mouth" (Num. xvi. 30). http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/13563-sheol *********************************************************************************** Sheol cannot be "hell" The Catholic church is corrupt.
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bigd9832 Chicago, IL 64, joined Oct. 2007	Quote from ludlowlowell.... Finally Bigd said something that was correct. Prior to 900 a.d. the man that English speakers now call the pope was called by some of his other titles, among them bishop of Rome. And Peter was the cirst bishop of Rome. *********************************************************************************** So you agree that there were no "popes" until about 900 ad... right? Can you show that Peter was indeed a "pope" or Bishop of Rome? Something reliable would be appreciated. *********************************************************************************** Quote from ludlowlowell.... Gehenna, Hades, Infernum, and Sheoul were all ancient names for what we now call in English "Hell". Does this place, whatever we call it, have everlasting fire? Prior to Jesus' time the ancients were not sure, but Jesus made it clear that yes, there is a place of eternal torment, and yes, there is painful fire there. If there isn't eternal torment there, wjy did Jesus say there would be wailing and gnashing of teeth there? ************************************************************************************* The word 'sheol/hades' cannot be translated as "hell." There is no punishment in 'sheol/hades.' No fire in 'sheol.' 'gehenna' has fire but only when men light it. 'gehenna is a ravine outside of Jersalem used for garbage. You are trying to take an Ancient Hebrew term (sheol) and give it a modern day definition. Can you back up anything you say or are you just making this all up?
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kb2222 Jacksonville, FL 77, joined Apr. 2011	You are full of lying crap, Louie, and you don't have the courage to truthfully answer questions. Do you actually believe it is just and righteous to stone and burn people to death at the stake for these reasons, Louie? Kill People Who Don't Listen to Priests (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT) Kill Witches (Exodus 22:17 NAB) Kill Homosexuals (Leviticus 20:13 NAB) Kill Fortunetellers (Leviticus 20:27 NAB) Death for Hitting Dad (Exodus 21:15 NAB) Death for Cursing Parents (Proverbs 20:20 NAB, Leviticus 20:9 NLT) Death for Adultery (Leviticus 20:10 NLT) Death for Fornication (Leviticus 21:9 NAB) Death to Followers of Other Religions (Exodus 22:19 NAB) Kill Nonbelievers (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB) Kill False Prophets (Zechariah 13:3 NAB) Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God (Deuteronomy 13:13-18 NLT) Kill Women Who Are Not Virgins On Their Wedding Night (Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB) Kill Followers of Other Religions. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB, Deuteronomy 17:2-5 NLT) Death for Blasphemy (Leviticus 24:10-16 NLT) Kill False Prophets (Deuteronomy 13:1-5 NLT, Deuteronomy 18:20-22 NLT) Infidels and Gays Should Die (Romans 1:24-32 NLT) Kill Anyone who Approaches the Tabernacle (Numbers 1:48-51 NLT) Kill People for Working on the Sabbath (Exodus 31:12-15 NLT) Kill Sons of Sinners (Isaiah 14:21 NAB) Do you really believe that is what Jesus would order man to do, Louie? Oh, and here's another question you never answered. How is it you believe in this vast universe of hundreds of billions of galaxies with each galaxy containing billions of suns you say the world of Gods abode is in our solar system circling our sun? What makes you think this, Louie? Can you say?
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louie6332 Falkville, AL 75, joined Nov. 2011	Kb, you mold God like putty in your hands into what you want him to be, but I do not question God or remake him into what I think he should be. I like God just the way he is, because he’s a God of Truth and Justice, and I wouldn’t have it any other way. You’ve been had Kb. The divine revelations are my reference point, not your Urantia Book, which is not of divine origin. You’ve been had. The sad thing about all this is that if you have to go to Hell to believe in Hell, you probably won’t be able to get back, your doctors may not be able to resuscitate you. There was a famous atheist who was heard to say while dying on his death bed: “Something is wrong! Something is terribly wrong!" He found out too late, the hard way. Will you? Louie
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prophetic774 Winter Haven, FL 67, joined Feb. 2011	Quote from ludlowlowell: Purgatory is mentioned in scripture at 1 Corinthians 3:13-15, 2 Maccabees 12:43-44, Matthew 12:36, Matthew 5:25-26, Luke 12:58-59, and 1 John 5:16. In Christian theology, and especially in Catholic theology, Purgatory (Latin: Purgatorium, via Anglo-Norman and Old French) is an intermediate state after physical death in which those destined for heaven "undergo purification, so as to achieve the holiness necessary to enter the joy of heaven". Only those who die in the state of grace but have not yet fulfilled the temporal punishment due to their sin can be in Purgatory, and therefore no one in Purgatory will remain forever in that state or go to hell. The word Purgatory has come to refer also to a wide range of historical and modern conceptions of postmortem SUFFERING short of everlasting damnation, and is used, in a non-specific sense, to mean any place or condition of SUFFERING OR TORMENT! Question: WHAT DOES GOD'S WORD SAY ABOUT PURGATORY? Answer: The simple answer to this question is that the Bible says nothing about Purgatory. The doctrine of purgatory is not a Scriptural concept. We do, however, see much discussion in God’s Word about the only two destinations for those who have died: Heaven and Hell. Jesus spoke significantly of both, and yet there is never a mention of a third place, an interim location where man undergoes further purification. The concept of purgatory implies that Christ’s work on the cross was incomplete and insufficient to save us from judgment for our sins. We know, however, that the full redemptive work of Christ was accomplished on the cross, just as Christ Himself declared, “It is finished” (John 19:30). For believers, the end of this life will be the beginning of our eternal life with the LORD. We can see this in Jesus’ parable about the rich man and Lazarus in Luke 16:19-31, whereby Lazarus was taken immediately upon his death to “Abraham’s side,” a common figure-of-speech for Heaven, and the rich man was immediately cast into torment in Hades. Paul assures believers in 2 Corinthians 5:6-8 that to be “away from the body” is to be “AT HOME WITH THE LORD!.” Those who have been saved by faith in Jesus Christ may rest assured that their debt has been paid by Christ Himself, and that their death will find them standing before God justified and glorified, and welcomed into His kingdom. Ephesians 1:5-8: In love He predestined us to be adopted as His sons through Jesus Christ, in accordance with His pleasure and will--to the praise of His GLORIOUS GRACE, which He has freely given us in the One He loves. In Him we have REDEMPTION THROUGH HIS BLOOD, the forgiveness of sins, in accordance with the riches of God's grace that He lavished on us with all wisdom and understanding! Jesus said to the just saved evil thief on the cross: "I tell you the truth, TODAY you will be WITH ME in Paradise!!"
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kb2222 Jacksonville, FL 77, joined Apr. 2011	You are full of lying crap, Louie, and you don't have the courage to truthfully answer questions.
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bigd9832 Chicago, IL 64, joined Oct. 2007	Once again, louie. You are spinning the same old BS. Yet you still haven't come up with an Ancient term for that can be honestly translated into "hell." There is no "hell" and you know it. It was a Catholic invention to keep people afraid and keep them coming to church. God didn't make "hell," man did. The Catholic church is corrupt.
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ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 65, joined Feb. 2008 online now!	"The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom." --Proverbs 1:7 [Edited 8/8/2016 8:39:30 PM ]
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bigd9832 Chicago, IL 64, joined Oct. 2007	So when do you plan on getting wise?
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followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 75, joined May. 2012 online now!	[]Quote from ludlowlowell:[/][]"The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom." --Proverbs 1:7[/] ========================================================================= Ludlow, there is no reason for any child of God the Father in Heaven to fear their spiritual Father in any way whatsoever. The love of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom. "Fear not, little flock; for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom." (Luke 12:32)
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prophetic774 Winter Haven, FL 67, joined Feb. 2011	Quote from ludlowlowell: Other versions say "nothing undefiled", not "nothing uncontaminating". This means we have to be perfect before we enter the kingdom of God (Heaven). But there are very, very few perfect people, in fact I doubt have met anyone who is perfect. So in order to perfect us, God created Purgatory. BUT WHAT DOES GOD'S WORD SAY??? Hebrews 10:11-18: Day after day every priest performs his religious duties again and again he offers the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins. But when this Priest had offered for all time ONE SACRIFICE FOR SINS, He sat down at the right hand of God... Because by ONE SACRIFICE He has made *PERFECT FOREVER* those who are being made holy. The Holy Spirit also testifies to us about this. First he says: "This is the covenant I will make with them after that time says the Lord. I will put My laws in their hearts, and I will write them on their minds." The he adds" Their sins and lawless acts I will remember NO MORE." And when these have been forgiven , there is NO LONGER any sacrifice for sin!! Ephesians 1:5-8: In love He predestined us to be adopted as His sons through Jesus Christ, in accordance with His pleasure and will--to the praise of His GLORIOUS GRACE, which He has freely given us in the One He loves. In Him we have REDEMPTION THROUGH HIS BLOOD, the FORGIVENESS OF SINS, in accordance with the riches of God's grace that He lavished on us with all wisdom and understanding! Ephesians 2:4-10: Because of His great love for us, God,, who is rich in mercy, made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions--it is BY GRACE you have been saved! And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with Him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus, in order that in the coming ages He might show the incomparable riches of His grace, expressed in His kindness to us in Christ Jesus. For it is BY GRACE you have been saved, through faith-- and this NOT FROM YOURSELVES, it is the GIFT of God--NOT BY WORKS, so that no one can boast. For we are God's workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do! Hebrews 9:25-28: Nor did He enter heaven to offer Himself again and again, the way the high priest enters the Most Holy Place with blood that is not his own. Then Christ would have had to suffer many times since the creation of the world But now He has appeared ONCE FOR ALL at the end of the ages to do away with sin by the sacrifice of Himself. Just as man is destined to die once , and after that to face judgment, so Christ was SACRIFICED ONCE TO TAKE AWAY THE SINS OF MANY PEOPLE!!
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prophetic774 Winter Haven, FL 67, joined Feb. 2011	Matthew 11:13: Jesus says, " For all the (OT) Prophets and the {OT) Law prophesied until John {The Baptist." Luke 16:16: Jesus says, "The {OT} Law and the {OT} Prophets were proclaimed until John {The Baptist}. Since that time, the good news of the Kingdom of God is being preached!!" Galatians 3:23-25: "Before faith came, we were held prisoners by the law, locked up until faith should be revealed. So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ that we might be justified by faith. Now that faith has come, WE ARE NO LONGER UNDER THE SUPERVISION OF THE LAW!!" WE ARE NO LONGER UNDER THE SUPERVISION OF THE LAW!! Galatians 2:14-16: Paul said, When I saw that they were not acting in line with the truth of the gospel, I said to Peter in front of them all, "You are a Jew, yet you live like a Gentile and not like a Jew. How is it, then that you force Gentiles to follow Jewish customs? We who are Jews by birth and not 'Gentile sinners' know that a man is NOT justified by observing the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by observing the law, because by observing the law no one will be justified.!" Galatians 2:20,21: The life I live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me. I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing!" Galatians 3:10-13: "All who rely on observing the law are under a curse, for it is written "Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law." Clearly no one is justified before God by the law, because, "The righteous will live by faith." The law is not based on faith; on the contrary, "The man who does these things will live by them." Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us! Galatians 3:23-25: "Before faith came, we were held prisoners by the law, locked up until faith should be revealed. So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ that we might be justified by faith. Now that faith has come, WE ARE NO LONGER UNDER THE SUPERVISION OF THE LAW!!" Hebrews 7:18,19: The former regulation is SET ASIDE because it was weak and useless; for the law made nothing perfect, and a better hope is introduced, by which we draw near to God.! Hebrews 8:8,9,13: "The time is coming." says the Lord, "when I will make a New Covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah".... By calling this Covenant "NEW", He has made the first one OBSOLETE; and what is OBSOLETE and aging will soon disappear." Hebrews 8:6: But the ministry Jesus has received is as superior to theirs as the covenant of which He is Mediator is SUPERIOR TO THE OLD ONE, and it is founded on better promises. Colossians 2:16,17: Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you EAT or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. These are a SHADOW of the things that were to come, the reality, however, is found in Christ!!! All of the OT sabbath laws have been eliminated. Both Jesus and His Father have declared all foods are now clean. All of the OT sacrificial and temple laws have been eliminated. All of the stoning to death laws for breaking the law have been eliminated. All of the laws concerning an eye for an eye and making oaths have been eliminated. Circumcision laws have been eliminated. Loving one another as Jesus loved us has replaced loving one another as you love yourself. Their about 400 NT laws to be obeyed with LOVE in the hope of countless eternal rewards for faithful and loving service has replaced the 613 OT laws.
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prophetic774 Winter Haven, FL 67, joined Feb. 2011	IS THE POPE OR JESUS CHRIST THE HEAD OF THE CHURCH IN THIS PRESENT AGE??? Colossians 1:17,18: He {Jesus} is before all things, and in Him all things hold together. And He is the HEAD of the body, THE CHURCH; He is the beginning and the firstborn among the dead, so that in EVERYTHING He might have the SUPREMACY!! Ephesians 5:22-30: Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ {Not a pope}is the HEAD OF THE CHURCH, His body, of which He is the Savior. Now as the CHURCH submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything. Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the CHURCH and gave Himself up for her to make her holy, cleansing her by the washing with water through the WORD, and to present her to Himself as a radiant CHURCH, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish but holy and blameless. In this same way, husbands ought to love heir wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. After all, no one ever hated his own body, but he feeds and cares for it, just as Christ does the CHURCH--for we are members of His body!! Ephesians 1:19-23: That power is like the working of His mighty strength, which He exerted in Christ when He raised Him from the dead and seated Him at His right hand in the heavenly realms, far above all rule and authority, power and dominion, and every title that can be given, not only in the PRESENT AGE but also in the one to come. And God paced ALL THINGS under His feet and appointed Him {Not popes} to be the *HEAD* over everything for the CHURCH, which is His body, the fullness of Him who fills everything in every way! Matthew 28:18-20: Jesus says, "ALL AUTHORITY in heaven and ON EARTH has been given to ME!! Therefore go and make disciples of all nations... teaching them to obey EVERYTHING I have commanded you. And surely I am with you ALWAYS, to the very end of the age!!" Matthew 16:13,15-18: Jesus asked His disciples "Who do people say the Son of Man is?...Who do you say I am?? Simon Peter answered, "You are the Christ, the Son of the living God." Jesus replied, "Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by man, but BY MY FATHER IN HEAVEN. And I tell you that you are Peter {Greek for a stone}, and on this Rock I will build MY CHURCH!" The Greek word for Peter is "Petros" and never means Rock; whereas the Greek word for ROCK is "Petra". Many times is God's Word Jesus is called a ROCK such as I Corinthians 10:2-4: They were all baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea. They all ate the same spiritual food and drank the same spiritual ROCK{Greek-Petra}, and that ROCK WAS CHRIST! And so Christ claims that he will build MY CHURCH on the spiritual ROCK{Greek-Petra} which is the statement that "On this ROCK{Greek-Petra} I will build **MY CHURCH!!"{Matthew 16:18}
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prophetic774 Winter Haven, FL 67, joined Feb. 2011	DOES THE URANTIA BOOK AGREE WITH GOD'S WORD IN THE BIBLE?? If we compare the teachings of The Urantia Book with those of the Bible, we quickly discover that The Urantia Book, far from being consistent with biblical Christianity, actually denies or distorts almost every fundamental doctrine of the Christian faith. For example, contrary to the testimony of Jesus in the New Testament–that the Scriptures are the word of God (Matt. 15:3-6), inspired by the Holy Spirit (Matt. 22:43), and completely true and accurate in all details (Matt. 5:17-18; Luke 24:44; John 17:17)–The Urantia Book has Jesus declaring to Nathaniel, “the Scriptures are faulty and altogether human in origin” (UB, 1767). The rejection of the Bible as a fallible human document sets the stage for the rejection of many other biblical doctrines as well. For example, The Urantia Book rejects the Bible’s views about God, Christ, man, sin, and salvation. Contrary to the biblical position that there is only one God (Deut. 6:4; Isa. 45:21), The Urantia Book espouses polytheism, the belief in many “Gods.” Martin Gardner points out that the term “Gods” (a capitalized plural) “appears more than a hundred times” in The Urantia Book.{17} For instance, on page 364 we read, “We are all a part of an eternal project which the Gods are supervising and outworking.” Although The Urantia Book does acknowledge the existence of one supreme God, it rejects biblical Trinitarianism in favor of its own view that there is actually a “Trinity of Trinities” (UB, 1170-73). But this is only the beginning. According to Gardner, there are so many “gods” in The Urantia Book that its polytheism “puts Greek and Hindu mythology to shame.”{18} The view of Jesus presented in The Urantia Book is equally disturbing and unbiblical. To begin, the virgin birth is rejected. Jesus was simply born of Joseph and Mary (UB, 1344-45). Nevertheless, although he had human parents, he is also presented as the incarnation of Michael of Nebadon, the creator of our universe and one of “more than 700,000 Creator Sons of the Eternal Son.”{19} This clearly conflicts with the New Testament’s view of Jesus, which reveals that He was conceived by the Holy Spirit in the womb of the virgin Mary (Matt. 1:18-25; Luke 1:26-38). Furthermore, John tells us that Jesus is the one and only eternal Son of God in an absolutely unique sense (John 1:1-2, 14; 3:16). He is not merely one of more than 700,000 other Creator Sons; He is truly unique. These doctrinal differences are only the tip of the iceberg. There are many other differences between The Urantia Book and the Bible. However, due to space considerations, I can only mention the following. The Urantia Book declares, “There has been no ‘fall of man.'” (UB, 846). This explains, at least in part, why there is also no need for any blood atonement for sin (UB, 60). The Urantia Book tells us, “The whole idea of ransom and atonement is incompatible with the concept of God as it was taught and exemplified by Jesus of Nazareth” (UB, 2017). The notion of “substituting an innocent sufferer for a guilty offender” is dismissed as a “childish scheme” (UB, 2017). What, then, was the meaning of Jesus’ death on the cross? According to The Urantia Book, “We know that the death on the cross was not to effect man’s reconciliation to God but to stimulate man’s realization of the Father’s eternal love and his Son’s unending mercy” (UB, 2019). Obviously, these teachings strike at the very heart of the Christian message. Genesis 3-5 and Romans 5 make it quite clear that there has indeed been a “fall of man” into sin and rebellion against his Creator. The entire race was ruined and condemned because of Adam’s disobedience. Paul tells us plainly that “the result of one trespass was condemnation for all men” (Rom. 5:18). The ideas of ransom and substitutionary atonement are not incompatible with Jesus’ view of God. Indeed, Jesus Himself stated that He came “to give His life as a ransom for many” (Matt. 20:28). The Bible tells us that “all have sinned” (Rom. 3:23), but it also tells us that “Christ died for our sins” (1 Cor. 15:3). Contrary to The Urantia Book, Jesus did not die merely to stimulate man’s realization of the Father’s love; He died to reconcile us to God (Rom. 5:10; Col. 1:22). It is because Christ died for our sins that God can now offer us salvation as a free gift (Rom. 6:23). We cannot earn this gift; we can only gratefully receive it through faith in Christ (Rom. 3:22-28; Eph. 2:8-9). Ephesians 1:5-8: In love He predestined us to be adopted as His sons through Jesus Christ, in accordance with His pleasure and will--to the praise of His GLORIOUS GRACE, which He has freely given us in the One He loves. In Him we have REDEMPTION THROUGH HIS BLOOD, the FORGIVENESS OF SINS, in accordance with the riches of God's grace that He lavished on us with all wisdom and understanding! Ephesians 2:4-10: Because of His great love for us, God,, who is rich in mercy, made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions--it is BY GRACE you have been saved! And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with Him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus, in order that in the coming ages He might show the incomparable riches of His grace, expressed in His kindness to us in Christ Jesus. For it is BY GRACE you have been saved, through faith-- and this NOT FROM YOURSELVES, it is the GIFT of God--NOT BY WORKS, so that no one can boast. For we are God's workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do!
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followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 75, joined May. 2012 online now!	Quote from prophetic774: DOES THE URANTIA BOOK AGREE WITH GOD'S WORD IN THE BIBLE?? Faulty question, Proph, a misleading strawman. No one has ever said The Urantia Book is supposed to agree with the bible. If we compare the teachings of The Urantia Book with those of the Bible, Proph, where did you get this stuff from? Probe Ministries? I'm sure you didn't write this yourself. You should always give the link to your sources. Yes, it's true, Proph, The Urantia Book corrects the bible and your Christian beliefs. So what? God sent a correction, finally, after 2000 years of confusion and thousands of different Christian sects and Christian wars, God finally sent a correction. Praise Jesus! Yes, the scriptures are faulty. Yes, there was no "fall of man." Paul was wrong. Yes, there is a greater Trinity than what is taught in Christianity. Yes, Jesus is not part of the Trinity. But He is God. No, you cannot find in The Urantia Book that the virgin birth is rejected. I challenge you to find it. Your story is wrong below. we quickly discover that The Urantia Book, far from being consistent with biblical Christianity, actually denies or distorts almost every fundamental doctrine of the Christian faith. Yes, it corrects the human records, the bible that we have. Yes, it does that. For example, contrary to the testimony of Jesus in the New Testament–that the Scriptures are the word of God (Matt. 15:3-6), inspired by the Holy Spirit (Matt. 22:43), and completely true and accurate in all details (Matt. 5:17-18; Luke 24:44; John 17:17)–The Urantia Book has Jesus declaring to Nathaniel, “the Scriptures are faulty and altogether human in origin” (UB, 1767). The rejection of the Bible as a fallible human document sets the stage for the rejection of many other biblical doctrines as well. For example, The Urantia Book rejects the Bible’s views about God, Christ, man, sin, and salvation. Instead of saying "the bible's views," you should probably say "your sect's view" since no two Christian sects have the same views. And speaking of setting the stage, when the Catholic church says it uses oral tradition along with the bible, it also sets the stage for the rejection of many bible doctrines, as well as it introduces false Catholic doctrines. Contrary to the biblical position that there is only one God (Deut. 6:4; Isa. 45:21), The Urantia Book espouses polytheism, the belief in many “Gods.” The Urantia Book has no more Gods than Trinity believers. There is One God in The Urantia Book. If The Urantia Book is polytheistic, then so is Trinitarian Christianity. Martin Gardner points out that the term “Gods” (a capitalized plural) “appears more than a hundred times” in The Urantia Book.{17} For instance, on page 364 we read, “We are all a part of an eternal project which the Gods are supervising and outworking.” Although The Urantia Book does acknowledge the existence of one supreme God, it rejects biblical Trinitarianism in favor of its own view that there is actually a “Trinity of Trinities” (UB, 1170-73). But this is only the beginning. According to Gardner, there are so many “gods” in The Urantia Book that its polytheism “puts Greek and Hindu mythology to shame.”{18} And you don't know Martin Gardner from a hole in the wall. That's a tip off that your article is not your own. The view of Jesus presented in The Urantia Book is equally disturbing and unbiblical. To begin, the virgin birth is rejected. Jesus was simply born of Joseph and Mary (UB, 1344-45). Nevertheless, although he had human parents, he is also presented as the incarnation of Michael of Nebadon, the creator of our universe and one of “more than 700,000 Creator Sons of the Eternal Son.”{19} This clearly conflicts with the New Testament’s view of Jesus, which reveals that He was conceived by the Holy Spirit in the womb of the virgin Mary (Matt. 1:18-25; Luke 1:26-38). Furthermore, John tells us that Jesus is the one and only eternal Son of God in an absolutely unique sense (John 1:1-2, 14; 3:16). He is not merely one of more than 700,000 other Creator Sons; He is truly unique. Actually, I think you posted this exact same thing within the last two weeks so I'll stop here. If YOU have any real questions about the book, I'll be happy to answer them. But your practice of spamming these threads with stuff like this is extremely inconsiderate to your fellow man. It disrupts the normal flow of plies and replies. It disrupts everyone and it shows your ego.
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louie6332 Falkville, AL 75, joined Nov. 2011	The Urantia Book, as acknowledged by Urantia Book adherents themselves, and the Bible do not agree with each other. So if the Bible is of divine origin, then the Urantia Book is not. We all agree on that. Louie
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followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 75, joined May. 2012 online now!	Quote from louie6332: The Urantia Book, as acknowledged by Urantia Book adherents themselves, and the Bible do not agree with each other. So if the Bible is of divine origin, then the Urantia Book is not. We all agree on that. Louie So what's your point, Louie? The key flaw in your statement is the two letter word, "IF."
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bigd9832 Chicago, IL 64, joined Oct. 2007	Quote from louie6332... The Urantia Book, as acknowledged by Urantia Book adherents themselves, and the Bible do not agree with each other. So if the Bible is of divine origin, then the Urantia Book is not. We all agree on that. ****************************************************************************** Speak for yourself, louie. I don't agree with anything you say. Besides ludlow, you are the most wrong person here. So don't include me in your little scenarios. Have you made a comparison between Urantia and the bible. What points do not agree? What point do? See, I don't believe you know anything about Urantia. I don't believe you have even seen this book. If you are going to borrow someone else's research, you need to give him/her credit. Perhaps I am speaking a foreign language to you and you really have no idea what "research" is. All you know is your own flawed opinions. The Catholic church is corrupt.
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ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 65, joined Feb. 2008 online now!	Are you reading the Urantia Book, Bigd? Are youvsubscribing to its fantasies? I sincerely hope not. If you won't convert to Catholicism, I would much rather see you as a Knochian than a Urantiaist. At least Knoch was not a eugenicist, racist, or believer in 700,000 pagan gods.
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bigd9832 Chicago, IL 64, joined Oct. 2007	Tell me ludlow. What page in the Urantia book did you read about the 700,000 pagan gods? Or did you just make that up? The Catholic church lies.
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ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 65, joined Feb. 2008 online now!	The Urantia Book says God has 700,000 creator sons. That means it says there are 700,000 pagan gods. [Edited 8/12/2016 10:07:31 AM ]
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bigd9832 Chicago, IL 64, joined Oct. 2007	Prove it. What page is that on? And when did you read that from Urantia? If you haven't read the book, how can you talk about it? The Catholic church is corrupt.
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ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 65, joined Feb. 2008 online now!	Ask FJO or KB.
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bigd9832 Chicago, IL 64, joined Oct. 2007	Oh no! It is YOU, ludlow, who is criticizing the Urantia book. You are the one saying they have 700,000 strange beings (it seems you change what they are from time to time). I think the reader here are entitled to know where your information is coming from. From the Urantian book (because you have read it) From KB or FJO, who you have constantly mis-quoted, just like you have mis-quoted me. Or from your own ill-informed opinions (a much more likely scenario). It might be a different story if you had nothing to say about Urantia. But I see you constantly criticizing them. So how much of the Urantia Book have you read? The Catholic church is corrupt.
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prophetic774 Winter Haven, FL 67, joined Feb. 2011	The SDA or SAD, bigd, fjo, kb, and Louie all claim that there will be no eternal HELL?? BUT WHAT DOES GOD'S WORD SAY??? NOTE: the Urantia believers claim that they only follow the words of Jesus; so 5 of these 7 Bible passages are direct quotes of Jesus!! John 12:48: Jesus says, “There is a Judge for the one who rejects Me and does not accept My words; that very word which I spoke will condemn him at the LAST DAY!!” 2 Thess 1:1,6-10: ‘To the CHURCH of the Thessalonians…God is just; He will pay back trouble to those who trouble you and give relief to you who are troubled, and to us as well. This will happen WHEN the Lord Jesus is REVEALED {See I Peter 1:13} from heaven in blazing fire…. He will punish those who do not know God and do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. They will be punished with everlasting DESTRUCTION and shut out from the presence of the Lord ON THE DAY HE COMES to be glorified in His holy people!!” {THE LAST DAY-See Rev 20:11-15} John 5:28,29: Jesus says, “Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming {The Last Day} when ALL who are in their graves will hear His voice and come out—those who have done good will rise to live, and those who have done evil will rise to be condemned.” Revelation 22:16,18,19: "I, Jesus have sent My angel to give you this testimony for the churches... I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book. If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book. {Which would include eternal torment in Hell as per Rev 14:9-11 below} And if anyone takes words away from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the Tree of Life and in the Holy City {The New Jerusalem}, which are described in this book!!" Matthew 25:31-34,41,46: Jesus says, “WHEN the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the angels with Him, He will sit on His throne in Heavenly glory. All the nations will be gathered before Him and He will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. He will put the sheep on His right and the goats on the left.” “THEN the King will say to those on the right, “Come you who are blessed by My Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world.” {The New Jerusalem with its New Heaven and New Earth—See Rev 21:1-5 & 2 Peter 3:10-13} “*THEN He will say to those on His left, “Depart from Me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.” ....”THEN they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.” Revelation 14:9-11: A third angel followed them and said in a loud voice: "If anyone worships the beast and his image and receives his mark on the forehead or on the hand, he, too, will drink of the wine of God's fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of His wrath. He will be tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment rises for ever and ever. There is no rest day or night for those who worship the beast and his image, or anyone who receives the mark of his name!!" Matthew 13:40-43: Jesus says, “As the weeds are pulled up and burned in the fire, so it will be at the END OF THE AGE. The Son of man will send out His angels, and they will weed out of His kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil. They will throw them into the fiery furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. THEN the righteous will shine like the sun in the Kingdom of their Father. He who has ears, let him hear. NOTE SEVEN TIMES** Jesus states that there will be WEEPING and GNASHING OF TEETH in Hell!! In Matthew 8:12; 13:42{above}; 13:50; 22:13; 24:51; 25:30 and Luke 13:28!!!
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prophetic774 Winter Haven, FL 67, joined Feb. 2011	THE FATHER LOVES HIS FAITHFUL SAINTS JUST AS MUCH AS HE LOVES JESUS!! John 17:23: Jesus says to His Father, "You sent Me and have LOVED THEM even as you LOVED Me!!" JESUS LOVES HIS FAITHFUL SAINTS JUST AS MUCH AS THE FATHER LOVES HIM!! John 15:9,10,12,13: "Jesus says, "As the Father LOVED Me, so I have LOVED you!! Now remain in My LOVE. IF you obey My commands, you will remain in My LOVE, just as I have obeyed my Father's commands and remain in His LOVE... My command is this: LOVE each other as I have LOVED you! Greater LOVE has no one than this, that he lay down his life for his friends!" John 14:21,23: Jesus says, "Whoever has My commands and obeys them, he is the one who LOVES Me! He who LOVES Me will be LOVED by My Father, and I will LOVE him....If anyone LOVES Me, he will obey My teaching. My Father will LOVE him, and we will come to him and make Our home with him!!" WHAT'S LOVEGOT TO DO WITH IT?? I Peter 1:22: "Now that you have purified yourselves by obeying the truth so that you have sincere LOVE for your brothers, LOVE one another deeply, from the heart. For you have been born again... through the living and enduring Word of God! I Corinthians 13:2,4-8: If I have a faith that can move mountains, but have not LOVE I am nothing...LOVE is patient, LOVE is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. LOVE does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. LOVE never fails!!" John 13:34: Jesus says, "A NEW command I give you: LOVE one another As I have LOVED you, so you must LOVE one another. By this all men will know that you are my disciples." Matthew 28:19.20” Jesus commands, “Go and make disciples of all nations... teaching them to OBEY EVERYTHING I have commanded you!” {See I John 2:3-5} EVERYTHING would also include all the other commands in God's inspired Word from Acts to Revelation as per 2 Timothy 3:16: 4:2: "All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work...Preach the Word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage--with great patience and careful instruction." If we really LOVE our brothers and sister in Christ we will lovingly teach them to obey all the approximately 400 commands of the NT with LOVE in the hope of countless eternal rewards when Jesus comes with great power with all His angels. Revelation 22:112: Jesus says, "Behold, I am coming soon! My reward is with Me, and I will give to everyone according to what he has done!? Matthew 16:27: Jesus says, For the Son of Man is going to come in His FATHER'S GLORY WITH HIS ANGELS, and THEN He will reward each person according to what he has done." Ephesians 4:15: "Speaking the Truth in LOVE, we will in all things grow up into Him who is the Head, that is, Christ! From Him the whole body, joined and held together by every supporting ligament, grows and builds itself up in LOVE, as each part does its work." Ephesians 3:17-19: "I pray that you, being rooted and established in LOVE may have power, together with all the saints, to grasp how wide and long and high and deep is the LOVE of Christ, and to know this LOVE that surpasses knowledge--that you may be filled to the measure of all the fullness of God!!"
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bigd9832 Chicago, IL 64, joined Oct. 2007	ludlow... You are criticizing a book that you have not read. Very much like you interpreting a book (the Bible) that you have not read. Your information is all second hand. It would never stand up in court. The Catholic church lies.
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ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 65, joined Feb. 2008 online now!	Quote from bigd9832: ludlow... You are criticizing a book that you have not read. Very much like you interpreting a book (the Bible) that you have not read. Your information is all second hand. It would never stand up in court. The Catholic church lies. Have you read the Urantia Book? Do you now believe in it? Do you now believe in eugenics and 700,000 pagan gods?
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kb2222 Jacksonville, FL 77, joined Apr. 2011	You are a consistent liar. There are no pagan gods in the Urantia Book.
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followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 75, joined May. 2012 online now!	Quote from ludlowlowell: The Urantia Book says God has 700,000 creator sons. That means it says there are 700,000 pagan gods. No, it says there are 700,000 Creator Sons, capitalized. Jesus was such a Creator Son. And they are all God. You deliberately uncapitalize "Creator Sons" and then you say, "that means..." But it doesn't mean what you say it means. No, it doesn't mean "there are 700,000 pagan gods." That's just what YOU say it means. You keep lying in the same old ways, no matter how many times you're corrected, you revert back to your same old lies. In one of your posts you actually said that you couldn't bear to capitalize "Creator Son." So, you have an issue. Another issue, I should say. Every instance of "Creator Son" in The Urantia Book is capitalized. From now on I am going to uncapitalize "catholic." I just can't bear to capitalize it anymore. And "eucharist." That too. Communion, confession, all of it, uncapitalized from now on.
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followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 75, joined May. 2012 online now!	Quote from ludlowlowell: Have you read the Urantia Book? Do you now believe in it? Do you now believe in eugenics and 700,000 pagan gods? The word "eugenics" is in the book in a million and a quarter words, one time. Anyway, eugenics is not a crime, it's a science. Everyone who believes you should not have reproductive sex with your sister believes in eugenics. Eugenics is the study of improving the human condition. Why are you against that? You like it when people suffer, don't you? You get your rocks off thinking about suffering people. You would love to be an enforcer and a torturer wouldn't you?
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louie6332 Falkville, AL 75, joined Nov. 2011	Lud, Furch has just stated above that the 700,000 sons of God are not sons of God, but are gods. He does not believe in three persons in one God, he believes in 700,000 persons in god. He does not believe that Jesus Christ is the only begotten son of God miraculously conceived by the Holy Spirit and delivered by a virgin birth, he believes he was the son of Joseph by normal sexual intercourse, that both Mary and Joseph both broke their solemn vows of celibacy. Louie
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kb2222 Jacksonville, FL 77, joined Apr. 2011	Louie, you have never answered the question I have asked you several times. Why do you believe in this vast universe of countless billions of galaxies with each galaxy containing countless billions of suns that the world of Gods abode is in our solar system circling our sun? What's your basis for believing this, Louie? Did you have a dream or something or what?
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cupocheer Assumption, IL 68, joined May. 2010	Quote from kb2222: Louie, you have never answered the question I have asked you several times. ~~ My first response on seeing this was to snicker (echo echo) Then it was to respond ~~ Why do you believe in this vast universe of countless billions of galaxies with each galaxy containing countless billions of suns that the world of Gods abode is in our solar system circling our sun? ~~ Why do you, KB, believe more in 92 Year old scientific data than thousands of years old theological and historical data? ~~ Why do you, KB, believe that God didn't choose earth's universe for human habitation? ~~ Have you verifiable documentation that those billions and billions of other universes exist or are you relying on a scientific calculation of multiples based on visible data? What's your basis for believing this, Louie? ~~ What is your basis for believing as you do, KB? The 'practicing art' of astronomy, astrology, and science? Did you have a dream or something or what? ~~ When does your 'ship's lift off, 'Zeke? echo echo ... Is anybody out there? 2222 [Edited 8/15/2016 9:23:40 PM ]
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kb2222 Jacksonville, FL 77, joined Apr. 2011	It was Louie that stated the countless billions of galaxies existing when he said that the world of Gods abode is in this solar system and I see no point in responding to multiple questions from you which are falsely stated in ignorance of what you are speaking about especially when you steadfastly refuse to answer my two questions regarding your belief or non-belief that Jesus would order man to stone and burn people to death at the stake, cup. So-called Christians that believe Jesus would order man to stone and burn people to death at the stake for all those OT reasons most certainly does not know Jesus and is morally confused and spiritual loss.
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cupocheer Assumption, IL 68, joined May. 2010	OK
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bigd9832 Chicago, IL 64, joined Oct. 2007	Two things louie... 1. Can you show in the Scriptures where it says Mary and Josephus took a "broke their solemn vows of celibacy?" I didn't think so. 2. Is that all you got on Urantia? Something about 700,000 gods? Hardly enough to begin a crusade. What qualifies you to criticize Urantia? Have you at least read the book. Or are you one of those people who will criticize what he/she does not understand, and give your opinion whether asked or not? Are you part of the rumor mill? The Catholic church is corrupt.
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followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 75, joined May. 2012 online now!	Quote from louie6332: Lud, Furch has just stated above that the 700,000 sons of God are not sons of God, but are gods. You are a liar, Louie. I never said that, above or anywhere else. There are no "gods" in The Urantia Book. He does not believe in three persons in one God, he believes in 700,000 persons in god. You lie again, Louie. Why do you lie so much? Why do you and Ludlow lie so much? Is it because you belong to the Synagogue of Satan? Yes, I believe in the Trinity, so stop your lying Louie. He does not believe that Jesus Christ is the only begotten son of God You lie again. This is largely why I stopped dealing with you. Your posts are mostly all lies. That's a debate technique, I know.
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followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 75, joined May. 2012 online now!	Quote from bigd9832: Two things louie... 1. Can you show in the Scriptures where it says Mary and Josephus took a "broke their solemn vows of celibacy?" I didn't think so. I'd like to know that too. Louie is the ONLY person I have ever heard that Joseph and Mary "solemn vows of celibacy," thing from. I think it probably has the same origin as the "perpetual virginity" of Mary. The catholic church simply made it up. Louie, is that right? One of your popes made it up out of thin air to support your other magical premises? The Catholic church is corrupt.
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ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 65, joined Feb. 2008 online now!	If Jesus is Joseph's natural son, how can He be God's Incarnate Son?

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