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one way or another we have to see it like it is.
if God exists then there are only 2 options.
and yay for us because we get to choose life or death.
even though life as a believer is no better than death at times because this is not our reward.
we do live in power here but we can only achieve so much on earth.

and to those who choose death it is of their own doing.

if God exists (which I believe so), then there are ultimately only 2 options.

but we can choose either one.

so, that makes it free will because God does not want us to choose death.

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Quote from iam_resurrected:
In reality, no God did not need a LAMB...but the practice of sacrificing Lambs was another way of teaching how to pray and ask for forgiveness.
examples of going to the high priest and giving up your sin offering was in essence praying to some degree for the Hebrew for forgiveness.

which of course, now we pray to Jesus since he did end the lamb sacrifice by being the last one.

but giving man free will and putting a price on sin did require alleviation of some kind for humanity to be accepted by God.

So as I said, when God made man and He said, I will give him "free will" there became a ransom to pay because man cannot be equal to God spiritually and "free will" is like a calculator adding up your sinful decisions and actions which are unholy and become a debt unto God.

I belong to no sect.

I just see what kind of responses I get.


A ransom is money paid to a bad guy, a kidnapper. Are you a former Jehovah's Witless? They're real big on the ransom idea. But ransom and sacrifice are two different things. And "ransom" does not mean "debt."

You DO belong to some sect or you favor some sect. You didn't get all your ideas from thin air.

And God does not require any "alleviation" in order to accept us. Who told you that? That's crazy talk. What sect teaches that "giving man free will and putting a price on sin did require alleviation of some kind for humanity to be accepted by God"?

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Quote from followjesusonly:
A ransom is money paid to a bad guy, a kidnapper. Are you a former Jehovah's Witless? They're real big on the ransom idea. But ransom and sacrifice are two different things. And "ransom" does not mean "debt."

You DO belong to some sect or you favor some sect. You didn't get all your ideas from thin air.

And God does not require any "alleviation" in order to accept us. Who told you that? That's crazy talk. What sect teaches that "giving man free will and putting a price on sin did require alleviation of some kind for humanity to be accepted by God"?







of course not, God could allow us to murder and commit adultery and then with open arms welcome us into heaven...aye, he could allow anything.

but we know what he will and wont due to his word.
and from that we know He "WILL NOT" allow humanity into heaven being full of sin.
we know he is light and darkness (sin) do not abide together.

so, since we know these things it is easy to conclude why was there was alleviation to even begin with.
BECAUSE, God aint letting us in full of sin...or he would be a LIAR.
we must be covered by the blood of Christ to get in...that is called ALLEVIATION so it was always in HIS plan since He is God (first and last and knew all things to come).


when talking to you and your imaginary angel friends from the unrantia farm it is clear that common sense is not part of your deducting reasoning.
but then again, anyone who swallows the urantia crap does not have much reasoning left to deduct from

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One cannot do the walking for an infant. The infant must grow, or die. No free choice. The choice has a price either way. This is the only way for us to reach maturity. It is a principal of evolution which is a process of diverse partnerships forming and then cooperating to overcome adversity, and survive.

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Quote from iam_resurrected:
of course not, God could allow us to murder and commit adultery and then with open arms welcome us into heaven...aye, he could allow anything.

but we know what he will and wont due to his word.
and from that we know He "WILL NOT" allow humanity into heaven being full of sin.
we know he is light and darkness (sin) do not abide together.

so, since we know these things it is easy to conclude why was there was alleviation to even begin with.
BECAUSE, God aint letting us in full of sin...or he would be a LIAR.
we must be covered by the blood of Christ to get in...that is called ALLEVIATION so it was always in HIS plan since He is God (first and last and knew all things to come).


when talking to you and your imaginary angel friends from the unrantia farm it is clear that common sense is not part of your deducting reasoning.
but then again, anyone who swallows the urantia crap does not have much reasoning left to deduct from


But look at all the crap YOU have swallowed. Everything you say above about "alleviation" etc., is all the DOCTRINES OF MEN.

What Urantia crap are you talking about? When you read the book, what did you find?

You're a phony. You've got nothing.

And you believe angels are imaginary? Tsk, tsk.

And what Urantia farm are you talking about? Do you have any idea what you're talking about? Or are you just lashing out? Your indoctrination is under pressure and you're lashing out.

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Quote from followjesusonly:
But look at all the crap YOU have swallowed. Everything you say above about "alleviation" etc., is all the DOCTRINES OF MEN.

What Urantia crap are you talking about? When you read the book, what did you find?

You're a phony. You've got nothing.

And you believe angels are imaginary? Tsk, tsk.

And what Urantia farm are you talking about? Do you have any idea what you're talking about? Or are you just lashing out? Your indoctrination is under pressure and you're lashing out.






the word alleviation was just a term used.
I thought what would be similar to washing away sins and alleviating them came to mind.

I believe angels are as real God but Jesus said, certain things we cannot know until we are with Him.
your urantia book is as far out there as it gets and still contradicts Christ's own words (we will not know until we get there).

I will take my chance with God and you can have your make believe angels who are disobeying the words of Christ...would not that make them angels actually demons?

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Quote from iam_resurrected:
the word alleviation was just a term used.
I thought what would be similar to washing away sins and alleviating them came to mind.


You don't have to wash away any sins. Jesus says if you forgive others, your sins will be forgiven you. Mat 6:14

I believe angels are as real God but Jesus said, certain things we cannot know until we are with Him.


Where does Jesus say that? Book, chapter and verse please. And which "certain things" did He say we cannot know? Name them.

your urantia book is as far out there as it gets


When you read it, what did it say that was far out, and how is it any farther out than what you believe? Oh, you didn't read it? It sounded like you did since you pretend to know so much about it.

and still contradicts Christ's own words (we will not know until we get there).


Book, chapter, and verse please.

I will take my chance with God and you can have your make believe angels who are disobeying the words of Christ...would not that make them angels actually demons?


You are not taking your chances with God. You are putting your beliefs in what you have been indoctrinated to believe. You can't prove the bible is "God's Word." You can't even prove there is a God. These are ALL just beliefs. The Urantia Book is here because Jesus wants it to be here. And any angelic help in getting it here is by Jesus' direction. You should think twice about calling Jesus' angels, demons.

And "wash away" is a doctrine and expression of men, it's not from Jesus.



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when you confess your sins to Christ the work He did at the cross and his shed blood does in fact remove your sins...or Christ would be a liar...(as to believe in Him and follow Him)


I am not using any sort of interpretation but using the information WE DO KNOW from the WORD of GOD and applying it to todays terminology with the use of COMMON SENSE...

...by which, anyone WHO BELIEVES the urantia is from GOD is a complete and utter imbecile without any reasoning factors and would buy an ocean front view property from the middle of the desserts of Arizona...

and NO, your urantia CRAP IS NOT from Christ at all.

your book of lies is equal to the jehova's witness pamphlets and book of morons.

NO ONE in these forums should ever listen to anything that is stemmed from either 3 sources for it is all of the DEVIL (urantia-jehova witness-Mormons)...all lies from the pits of hell



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I have little reason, or occasion to agree with Iam about issues, but this is almost an historical moment -- I agree that the cult book called Urantia is not inspired by God and is the convulated heresy of a fool trying to warp the minds of innocents who are seeking God.

Shame on this devilish endeavor.

Read Gods word -- not man's word who hopes to make money by selling some fake non-religion book.

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Quote from iam_resurrected:
when you confess your sins to Christ the work He did at the cross and his shed blood does in fact remove your sins...or Christ would be a liar...(as to believe in Him and follow Him)

I am not using any sort of interpretation but using the information WE DO KNOW from the WORD of GOD and applying it to todays terminology with the use of COMMON SENSE...

...by which, anyone WHO BELIEVES the urantia is from GOD is a complete and utter imbecile without any reasoning factors and would buy an ocean front view property from the middle of the desserts of Arizona...

and NO, your urantia CRAP IS NOT from Christ at all.

your book of lies is equal to the jehova's witness pamphlets and book of morons.

NO ONE in these forums should ever listen to anything that is stemmed from either 3 sources for it is all of the DEVIL (urantia-jehova witness-Mormons)...all lies from the pits of hell


Translated: "Your beliefs are false and they are all lies from the pits of hell because they are not what I already believe."

Yes, that's it, right? That's all you have. Everything you say amounts to that, just above. The other person's beliefs are "crap" because they are not what you already believe.

Yes, The Urantia Book IS from Jesus. His heavenly name is Michael. No, Michael is not an archangel. Michael is a prince, the Son of God the king. Michael (Jesus) is one of 700,000 only begotten Sons of God. The bible talks about them: Job 38:7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy? The Urantia Book is authorized and sent by Jesus. What lies are you talking about? You mean "your book has lies because it says things that you don't believe" right? That's all you have. Your beliefs are different so you assume yours are right and others are wrong. And, btw, The Urantia Book has nothing whatsoever to do with the Mormons or the Jehovah's Witlesses. And what "lies" are you talking about? And how can you prove they are lies? You cannot.

I am a true Christian. I believe in God. I believe in the Trinity. I believe Jesus is God's divine Son. I believe in the crucifixion and the resurrection. I believe Jesus is the Savior. And I follow Jesus only. Can you say all the same for your beliefs? And here you are attacking me, a true Christian. Shame on you. You are a modern day Saul, persecuting the New Christians.

If you have any honest, respectful questions about God's new revelation to our world, The Urantia Book, I'll be happy to try to answer them. But please, drop the little girly hysterics. I know you are afraid of new truth, but suck it up and be brave.

And I'm still waiting for those Book, Chapter, and verses where you say Jesus said we were not supposed to know certain things and also which certain things He was talking about. Did you dodge all that? Are you going to provide the verses or not? And how do you know that the things you say Jesus said we shouldn't know are even in The Urantia Book? You haven't read it.

Do you believe this: β€œTo this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth.” (John 18:37)?

Why do you think that Jesus didn't say in that verse, 'To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should shed my blood for the sins of the world.'?

Why do you think Jesus didn't say that, if your beliefs are true?

Do you believe this: Of all human knowledge, that which is of greatest value is to know the religious life of Jesus and how he lived it. -196:1.3 The Urantia Book

That's what The Urantia Book is all about. Be brave. As Philip said to Nathaniel: "Come and see." (John 1:46)

Suppress your fear and read The Urantia Book. It will be a shame if God sent a new Revelation of religious truth to our world and you refused to read it. What will you tell God if you make it to the Mansions? "Gee God, I was so afraid of losing the previously settled beliefs I already had that I refused to look at Your new revelation when it arrived. I attacked it and denounced it and called believers in it, utter and complete imbeciles and called the information "crap" and "lies" without even reading it. And then I went back to reading your Holy Words, God, about men sitting on the wall drinking pee and eating dung." (Isa 36:12)



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Quote from iam_resurrected: when you confess your sins to Christ...

Where does Jesus say anything about confessing you sins to Him?

You are loaded up with the doctrines and terminology of men.

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Quote from iam_resurrected: I am not using any sort of interpretation but using the information WE DO KNOW from the WORD of GOD...

The Word of God? But what if it's not the word of God except for Jesus' words?

What is it about this verse that you think is Holy, or "The Word of God" as you say?

But Rabshakeh said, Hath my master sent me to thy master and to thee to speak these words? hath he not sent me to the men that sit upon the wall, that they may eat their own dung, and drink their own piss with you? (Isa 36:12) KJV

Tell me what is Holy or Godly about that verse please.

Do you know what blasphemy is?

Saying, believing, or telling anyone else that Isa 36:12 has anything whatsoever to do with God is committing blasphemy against God. It must make Satan smile.

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Titus 3:
3
For we ourselves also were sometimes foolish, disobedient, deceived, serving divers lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful, and hating one another.
4
But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared,
5
Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
6
Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;



now, just verse 5 alone.

5
Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, ((by the washing)) of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost )



clearly, your unholy angelic interpretations are as false as your hope in the non word of God.





[Edited 1/15/2017 6:31:39 AM ]

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Quote from iam_resurrected:
Titus 3:
3
For we ourselves also were sometimes foolish, disobedient, deceived, serving divers lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful, and hating one another.
4
But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared,
5
Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
6
Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;

now, just verse 5 alone.

5
Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, ((by the washing)) of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost )

clearly, your unholy angelic interpretations are as false as your hope in the non word of God.



I don't follow Titus. I follow Jesus only. And no one even knows who wrote Titus. Titus is the doctrines of some unknown man or men, and certainly is not from Jesus. Don't bother quoting Titus to me, it's meaningless.

I asked you for the book, chapter, and verse, where you say Jesus said there were certain things we are not supposed to know, and which certain things those were, and you have failed to produce anything relevant, instead posting stuff from "Titus," the doctrines of men.

Wikipedia:

Scholars are not unanimous about the authenticity of the pastoral epistles.[1] Titus is usually one of the three Pastoral epistles attributed to Paul. Titus has a very close affinity with 1 Timothy, sharing similar phrases and expressions and similar subject matter.[2][3]
Pauline Authenticity[edit]
The author of Titus identifies himself as "Paul, a servant of God and an apostle of Jesus Christ." According to Easton's Bible Dictionary, "Paul's authorship was undisputed in antiquity and was probably written about the same time as the First Epistle to Timothy, with which it has many affinities."[citation needed]
Scholars who believe Paul wrote Titus date its composition from the circumstance that it was written after Paul's visit to Crete (Titus 1:5). That visit could not be the one referred to in the Acts of the Apostles 27:7, when Paul was on his voyage to Rome as a prisoner, and where he continued a prisoner for two years. Thus traditional exegesis supposes that after his release Paul sailed from Rome into Asia, passing Crete by the way, and that there he left Titus "to set in order the things that were wanting." Thence he would have gone to Ephesus, where he left Timothy, and from Ephesus to Macedonia, where he wrote the First Epistle to Timothy, and thence, according to the subscription of this epistle, to "Nicopolis of Macedonia",[4] from which place he wrote to Titus, about 66 or 67.

The first page of the epistle in Minuscule 699 gives its title as 'p??? t?t??, "To Titus."
However, works written under a false name would have been very problematic since the early church clearly excluded from the apostolic canon any works they thought to be pseudonymous. While critics point to the common practice of pseudonymous writing in the ancient world, they usually fail to point out that this practice, though common in the culture, was not common in personal letters[citation needed], and was categorically rejected by the early church (cf. 2 Thess. 2:2; 3:17; also Muratorian Canon 64–67; Eusebius, Ecclesiastical History 6.12.3). Tertullian (c. a.d. 160–225) wrote that when it was discovered that a church elder had composed a pseudonymous work, The Acts of Paul (which included a purported Pauline letter, 3 Corinthians), the offending elder "was removed from his office" (On Baptism 17).[citation needed]
Opposed to Pauline Authenticity[edit]
The Pastoral epistles are regarded by some scholars as being pseudepigraphical. On the basis of the language and content of the pastoral epistles, these scholars today doubt that they were written by Paul and believe that they were written after his death. The early Church did not agree. Critics claim the vocabulary and style of the Pauline letters could not have been written by Paul according to available biographical information and reflect the views of the emerging Church rather than the apostle's. These scholars date the epistle from the 80s CE up to the end of the 2nd century.[5] The Church of England's Common Worship Lectionary Scripture Commentary concurs with this view: "the proportioning of the theological and practical themes is one factor that leads us to think of these writings as coming from the post-Pauline church world of the late first or early second century".[6]

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You are floundering, insisting that what you say is true because you believe what you say is true and because you believe what you believe is true, so therefore, it must be true. And then you quote "Titus" to prove that what you believe is true, is true.

Previously I wrote: "And I'm still waiting for those Book, Chapter, and verses where you say Jesus said we were not supposed to know certain things and also which certain things He was talking about. Did you dodge all that? Are you going to provide the verses or not? And how do you know that the things you say Jesus said we shouldn't know are even in The Urantia Book?"



[Edited 1/15/2017 2:28:42 PM ]

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Quote from iam_resurrected:
Titus 3:
3
For we ourselves also were sometimes foolish, disobedient, deceived, serving divers lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful, and hating one another.
4
But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared,
5
Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
6
Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;



now, just verse 5 alone.

5
Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, ((by the washing)) of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost )



clearly, your unholy angelic interpretations are as false as your hope in the non word of God.

Umm, verse five addresses the concept that one's deeds alone will not suffice, private property capitalism, the pursuit of the forbidden fruit divides us and prevents us from evolving into the birth of one, infant of LORD God. We cannot know eternal life until we abolish all private property and it's divisional influences. So one's acts alone will not save them but the accumulation over generations will eventually lead us to unite in (H)Armageddon. Harm age done, the end of private property and the adoption of a civil resource management system of democratic communism, or true Christian civility.

We are all together misled and under the influence of worshiping the false gods created by private property, the forbidden fruit that intoxicates and addicts any society with it's fatally contradictive hypocrisy.

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Abolish private property. Let the government own everything. What an improvement.

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Quote from ludlowlowell:
Abolish private property. Let the government own everything. What an improvement.
Not the gov. LORD God created and equipped our work stations with all the needed rations for thriving harmony.

Within such a kingdom as a communist democracy, the government is of the people, by the people, and for the people.

Distorted by the selfish influence of private property capitalism, the government becomes of the advantaged individuals, by the advantaged individuals, and for the leveraged advantage of the leveraged advantaged individuals.

A house divided cannot stand. Ask not what your fellow man can do for you but rather what can one do for one's fellow man.

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In the real world either free people own their own stuff or the government owns it. And government, whether democratic, monarchial, fascistic, socialistic, or communistic, is by its very nature slow, inefficent, bureaucratic, and tending to ignore the natural rights of the people.

"It's a good thing government is so inefficient, because if it were efficient, think of how tyrannical it would be then."

--Milton Friedman

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Quote from ludlowlowell:
In the real world either free people own their own stuff or the government owns it. And government, whether democratic, monarchial, fascistic, socialistic, or communistic, is by its very nature slow, inefficent, bureaucratic, and tending to ignore the natural rights of the people.

"It's a good thing government is so inefficient, because if it were efficient, think of how tyrannical it would be then."

--Milton Friedman


The people have no "natural rights." That's little boy talk. All rights come from society.

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Rights come from God. Even the Declaration of independence says so.

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Quote from ludlowlowell:
Rights come from God. Even the Declaration of independence says so.




You have such a simple minded, little boy mind.

The Declaration of Independence was not written by God.

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Quote from ludlowlowell:
In the real world either free people own their own stuff or the government owns it. And government, whether democratic, monarchial, fascistic, socialistic, or communistic, is by its very nature slow, inefficent, bureaucratic, and tending to ignore the natural rights of the people.

"It's a good thing government is so inefficient, because if it were efficient, think of how tyrannical it would be then."

--Milton Friedman
In the real real world LORD God created and provided all for all. It could be that man is the only creature that immaturely confuses the possession of provided resources with individual ownership of provided resources. It is not a coincidence that man is likely also the only creature to struggle with the self defeating endeavors of war.

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If all it takes is a little government ownership of property (socialism) to stop war, why did the Soviet Union and Communist China have border skirmishes? Why did Communist China and Communist Vietnam have them? Why did people's revolts happen Hungary in 1956, Czechoslavakia in 1968, and China in 1989? Why hasn't all violent crime ended in all socialistic or communistic countries?

War between nations, or violent crime among individuals, happens as a result of the war going on inside people's souls, as a result of original and personal sin---see James 4:1-2. This is going to go on no matter what kind of government or economic situation a country has. It is part of the human condition, a cross people must bear. Only in Heaven, Purgatory, or Limbo will we find complete freedom grom war (the souls in Hell are still at war inside themselves).



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shylywilling
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I recognize that you are under the influence of the toxic wine of capitalism's selfish and cunningly treacherous inspirations so I excuse your stupidity as ignorance mixed with a healthy dose of malicious immaturity.

You have answered your self by admitting that all the instances you cited involved private property and it's inevitable consequence capitalism.

Other then the our contemporary family structures, (even amongst the ardent capitalists), and the description provided to us in scripture of the original attempt at an organized civilization, the "Garden of Eden", we have no record of a truly communist society ever existing.

All failed attempts and or currently failing attempts at civilization do so because of the conflicting interest of private individuals causing fatal inequity and thereby destroying the civility attempted to achieve to begin with.

1/31/2017 1:48:07 PM Iron Rod rule. ( parable) | Page 4  

ludlowlowell
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Socialism and communism always prove themselves wrong by their terrible track records. In capitalistic South Korea they prosper. In communistic/socialistic North Korea they starve.

1/31/2017 3:36:42 PM Iron Rod rule. ( parable) | Page 4  

shylywilling
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Quote from ludlowlowell:
Socialism and communism always prove themselves wrong by their terrible track records. In capitalistic South Korea they prosper. In communistic/socialistic North Korea they starve.
You are fooled into overlooking the issue of private property, but not I. If it exists, true Christianity, democracy, or communism does not exist, and so, neither does your stupid attempt at an intelligent point Lud.

Private property capitalism is the "forbidden fruit" and is the enemy of state.

I have been given unto a parable to share.

We have 20 racers that split into two separate groups for ten-lap timed qualifying races. The ten in group-A beat and bang their way all the way to the checker flag and some may not even make it while even the winner has been damaged and progress and performance slowed. Group-B runs nose to tail like a freight train right to and beyond the checker. Not even a scratch at the finish on any of the ten competitors in group-B. The winner of Group A has a slower qualifying time/speed then even the last place competitor in the unblemished cooperatively aerodynamically advantaged group B.

Group-A displayed Laissez faire capitalism and raced only for personal victory at all cost even at a personal risk sustained damage in effort to beat and or eliminate competitors. Group-B displayed the democratic Christian communist principle. One for all and all for one. The entire group-B outperformed even the winner of group-A.

The entire group of capitalists do not qualify in the top ten performers. All ten democratic communists survive and thrive.

Cast of Characters

Group A: (Embryo of gods)

1st place through 9th place.....The elite one percenters. They start up front in the newest and most advanced proven equipment and are virtually unchallenged the entire race. Includes some passengers which otherwise would not be in this group. Senior public and corporate administrative executives. The Vatican.

10th place......The other ninety nine percent of the population. Various stages of upper middle economic classes, surplus labor, economically disenfranchised and physically disadvantaged classes. The enslaved classes. Many in this group have no idea that they are limited to at best the front seat of the last car by the deliberate intentions and leverages of the one percent advantaged. Many have been tricked into believing that they are unfairly limited by and supporting their fellow enslaved passengers in the back seat instead of the one percent. Nobody in this car can enjoy the ride as it is a constant uncivil battle to just maintain a seat in hopes of an enjoyable ride.


Group B: (Infant of LORD God)

Equal citizens of civilization. Mature, evolved, and survived.

1/31/2017 3:37:25 PM Iron Rod rule. ( parable) | Page 4  
cupocheer
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There is no equality without Jesus

1/31/2017 4:02:28 PM Iron Rod rule. ( parable) | Page 4  

ludlowlowell
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A better analogy, Shy:

The organizers of the bike race announced that all paeticipants in the race would be given $1000 just for being in the race, whether they put out any effort or not, even if they parked their bikes and slept, and didn't even bother to cross the finish line.

A truly socialistic bike race.

1/31/2017 4:03:50 PM Iron Rod rule. ( parable) | Page 4  

shylywilling
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Jesus graced us with the truth that we must walk as one spiritual life together and how to do so by dedicating our selves/living to all others. It is up to all of us as individuals to choose to do so in harmony as one. What a rebirth that day will be!

We humanity are experiencing increasingly frequent and vigorous contraction spasms encouraging us toward our birth free from the dark womb and umbilical chord of private property division and self serving inspirations and into the enlightened comfort and vitality of a united kingdom of one infant LORD God.

2/1/2017 2:52:28 PM Iron Rod rule. ( parable) | Page 4  
cupocheer
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God's grace is the gift of salvation.

2/1/2017 3:01:05 PM Iron Rod rule. ( parable) | Page 4  

ludlowlowell
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God's grace is the ability to see the truth of the Gospel (faith), and the ability to avoid sin and do good works. Without God's grace it is impossible to believe, or to avoid sin, or to do good works worthy of God.

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2/1/2017 3:24:47 PM Iron Rod rule. ( parable) | Page 4  
cupocheer
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Quote from ludlowlowell:God's grace is the ability to see the truth of the Gospel (faith), and the ability to avoid sin and do good works. Without God's grace it is impossible to believe, or to avoid sin, or to do good works worthy of God.

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Lud, God's grace is identified and referenced in the Bible.

God's grace is His gift of salvation.

You had better check yourself on this one.

No, I am not doing your research for you.

2/3/2017 8:49:51 AM Iron Rod rule. ( parable) | Page 4  
cupocheer
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cupocheer
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