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God has certainly not granted the human equal stewardship. He deliberately gives more to some than others. Some get the looks, some the brains, some the money, some the business acumen, some the scientific acumen, some the mechanical acumen. Some have more leadership abilities than others. Some are physically stronger, or in better health than others. Some are clergy, some are laypeople. Some are officers, some are enlisted. Some have more grace than others. Some are choleric, some melancholy, some sanguine, and some phlegmatic.

God deiberately created people to be different. "All men are created equal" means that all are equal before the law, not that everybody's paycheck should be the same.


So you ARE in agreement with The Urantia Book, that not everyone is equal in all mental and physical and spiritual abilities with everyone else. Is that right? As you misspellingly said, "God ... created people to be different."

Your statement above is the first thoughtful thing I've seen from you, maybe ever. There's only one problem with it, and that's the idea that God hands out abilities and looks and talents like they were party favors. God doesn't personally do that. The roll of the DNA dice does that, at least as it applies to individuals. God did however, indirectly, through His agents, create the differentiated races, black, "white," yellow, red, and others, some gone now already and some blended.

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"It is the tendency of the world to go to extremes."

--Mother Mary Potter, British 18th century mother superior up for canonization

One extreme: all humans are literally equal before God, therefore none should own anything, the government (the "people"!) should own everything, all should receive the same pay, and any deviation from this is unjust. (Basically the Communist philosophy.)

The opposite extreme: God made some superior in health, strength, natural talent, and family background to others, and since in the animal kingdom the strong crush the weak, strong, healthy humans should crush dark-skinned, handicapped, and mentally retarded people. ("Eugenics", this philosophy is called, the basic philosophy of Urantiaism and Nazism.)

Christians, let us see tge horror and absurdity of both these extremes, and embrace enlightened free enterprise, and a judicial system that supports liberty and justice for all.

No, eugenicists, mentally handicapped people should not be gassed in concentration camps. No, Communists and other liberals, handicapped people will not make as much money as other people.

Christianity is about common sense and reality, no?

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"It is the tendency of the world to go to extremes."

--Mother Mary Potter, British 18th century mother superior up for canonization

One extreme: all humans are literally equal before God, therefore none should own anything, the government (the "people"!) should own everything, all should receive the same pay, and any deviation from this is unjust. (Basically the Communist philosophy.)

The opposite extreme: God made some superior in health, strength, natural talent, and family background to others, and since in the animal kingdom the strong crush the weak, strong, healthy humans should crush dark-skinned, handicapped, and mentally retarded people. ("Eugenics", this philosophy is called, the basic philosophy of Urantiaism and Nazism.)

Christians, let us see tge horror and absurdity of both these extremes, and embrace enlightened free enterprise, and a judicial system that supports liberty and justice for all.

No, eugenicists, mentally handicapped people should not be gassed in concentration camps. No, Communists and other liberals, handicapped people will not make as much money as other people.

Christianity is about common sense and reality, no?


You are one of the dirtiest liars I have ever seen, pure Satanic, "dirtying the other with calumny, with disinformation, and doing evil." Even the pope talks about you:

"Pope Francis says:
"We Catholics have some — and not some, many — who believe they possess the absolute truth and go ahead dirtying the other with calumny, with disinformation, and doing evil. They do evil. I say this because it is my Church." [The pope] further added that "fundamentalism is more idolatry than actual religion, warning that 'ideas and false certainties' can take the place of faith, love, and God."

Eugenics is the science of the improvement of the human condition, and no, it's not "the basic philosophy of Urantiaism." You are an ignorant, ignorant man, a debased liar, and according to Jesus, you don't even love God. So what's the difference between you and Satan?

"If a man love me, he will keep my words."(John 14:23)
"He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings." (John 14:24)

This is the "basic philosophy of The Urantia Book":

Of all human knowledge, that which is of greatest value is to know the religious life of Jesus and how he lived it. -196:1.3 The Urantia Book

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Eugenics is Nazi racism.

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Pro 12:22  Lying lips are abomination to the LORD: but they that deal truly are his delight.

I suppose you don't care, since Jesus says you don't love God anyway. You are in full service to your master, Satan.

Of all human knowledge, that which is of greatest value is to know the religious life of Jesus and how he lived it. -196:1.3 The Urantia Book

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God has certainly not granted the human equal stewardship. He deliberately gives more to some than others. Some get the looks, some the brains, some the money, some the business acumen, some the scientific acumen, some the mechanical acumen. Some have more leadership abilities than others. Some are physically stronger, or in better health than others. Some are clergy, some are laypeople. Some are officers, some are enlisted. Some have more grace than others. Some are choleric, some melancholy, some sanguine, and some phlegmatic.

God deiberately created people to be different. "All men are created equal" means that all are equal before the law, not that everybody's paycheck should be the same.


Respecter of no person is appropriate kb. Thanks.

Lud, as usual I think you are misled and so are misleading. The diversity encountered in this universe demands a cooperation amongst diverse entities to survive. We are hence necessarily diverse. However, none is less valuable then another. All have an equal value. Practicing private property resource management distorts that natural order and hence compromises our natural harmonic cooperation for survival. This fundamental paradigm is why we were clearly warned not to allow ourselves to become divided by "eating the forbidden fruit", (private property capitalism).

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Lud perhaps you have more ability to understand communism then you appear. Do you supply each and every cell in your body the exact same nutrients or do you supply each and every cell exactly what specific resources it needs to fulfill it's unique contribution to the whole you? Is any one cell any more or less valuable to the whole then another? How about your family, any one more or less valuable to the rest?

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I know where you're going with this, Shy. Since everyone is important in their own way, since God loves all, what is wrong with getting from every person whatever his abilities will produce, and distribute to each person what he needs?

It sounds good. Impeccable logic supports it, except for two things: (1) to make it work, civil governments have to have overwhelming power, to own, manage, and regulate, and the freedom of the individual is greatly diminished (remember Christianity is all about freedom) (the individual soon becomes the slave of the state), (2) even as an economic construct, it just doesn't work---it has been tried in many places at many times in history, and invsriably the result is the same---the people become impoverished. The proof is in the pudding.

I recommend to you that you read some of George Orwell's writings. Orwell was a liberal---a socialist even. But he saw, having fought in the Spanish Civil War, the real aims and outcomes of Communism.

You might argue thst the first generation of Christians owned everything in common. They did. But what the Bible doesn't say is that the second generation of Christians stopped this practice because it wasn't working.

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Quote from ludlowlowell:
I know where you're going with this, Shy. Since everyone is important in their own way, since God loves all, what is wrong with getting from every person whatever his abilities will produce, and distribute to each person what he needs?

It sounds good. Impeccable logic supports it, except for two things: (1) to make it work, civil governments have to have overwhelming power, to own, manage, and regulate, and the freedom of the individual is greatly diminished (remember Christianity is all about freedom) (the individual soon becomes the slave of the state), (2) even as an economic construct, it just doesn't work---it has been tried in many places at many times in history, and invsriably the result is the same---the people become impoverished. The proof is in the pudding.

I recommend to you that you read some of George Orwell's writings. Orwell was a liberal---a socialist even. But he saw, having fought in the Spanish Civil War, the real aims and outcomes of Communism.

You might argue thst the first generation of Christians owned everything in common. They did. But what the Bible doesn't say is that the second generation of Christians stopped this practice because it wasn't working.


Overwhelming power? Why? A law of a harmless intent and a democracy for handling the logistical application of government/management of resources should suffice. Although this civic structure is outlined for us in scripture a true communist civilization of significance has not been recorded as yet attempted by mankind since the scriptural references of Eden and the insignificant attempt by the immediate disciples of Jesus. The suggestion you make that a communist society always ends in the people becoming impoverished is ridiculously untrue. A true communist society would not practice private property ownership at all and therefor it would not be possible for one to become either wealthy or impoverished. These are symptoms of inequity that can only exist within a system which practices private property ownership.

I understand that for us that have grown up indoctrinated into a system of private property inspirations it is difficult to even imagine a life with out this influence so I ask one to be accountable to those situation that one can see the model in practice. Like the cells of one's individual body or the members of one's immediate family where we can undeniably observe the beneficial partnerships and cooperation of communism in harmonic practice.

I see us as the same as an individual body only we are still in the embryo stage dividing and multiplying and becoming individualized and specialized and have begun to show signs of over isolation and strains from a lack of coordinated cooperation. We are experiencing contractions and are due.

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"A government of harmless intent"? Maybe Lenin, Trorsky, and Stalin meant no harm. Maybe they honestly believed taking over even the smallest businesses really would help the people. Maybe, ehen Stalin collectivized all those farms, he really believed that food production would skyrocket. It takes more than harmless intent---it takes people who know what they are doing, people who take history as their guide (a liberal could be defined as a person who does not take history as his guide).

"A government to manage resources"? Any government that takes on the task of micro-managing resources and business is a government that is way too powerful, no matter who altruistic and well-meaning their intentions were when they started.

I really recommend you read Animal Farm by George Orwell. Oh, the revolution started so well! How happy the animals were! But see how their revolution rapidly devolved.

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Anyone who believes and teaches that Jesus would order man to stone and burn to death his brethren at the stake for all those reasons I have many times posted is truly morally and spiritually CONFUSED (CORRUPT).

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Anyone who thinks that government bureaucrats can allocate resources better than free people working in the free enterprise system may not be corrupt---they may actually be very well-meaning---but they are certainly confused.

Let history be your teacher.

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Separation of Church and State.

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OP, Thou shalt not covet another man’s wife and another man’s goods. That says it all. You are waging war against God's command, and nothing good can come from that on Earth.

Cup, “separation of Church and State” is a phrase not found in the US constitution. It is also a phrase not found in the Bible. But you know that already.

Louie

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Separation of Church and State.


Separation of Church and state occurs more in capitalistic countries than in socialistic countries. In socialistic countries the government figures, well, we run all businesses, why not run the churches too? Example: in China the government has set up the so-called Chinese Patriotic Catholic Church, independent of the pope but under the control of the Chinese government.

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Allow me to ask you this question, Lud: Do you believe that Jesus Christ was circumcised?

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Yes the Church is being severely persecuted by the Communist leaders in China today, and has been for some time now, and it is also being severely persecuted in Muslim countries by the Muslims. It is open season on Christians today. Both Protestant and Catholics are being persecuted in China. The Protestant Sects and the Roman Catholic Church in the West have been infiltrated by the Freemasons, and they control them from within, forming a Church within a Church. The Orthodox Church in the East and in Russia have been infiltrated by the Marxists, the KGB, and they control it from within. That’s the state of the Church today. It is fractured and infiltrated.

Cup, all Catholics know that Jesus Christ was circumcised, they have a feast day celebrating it (it’s referred to as a feast of Mary, but it memorializes the circumcision of Jesus). But I suspect you know that already. More than a few Catholics today are circumcised, though it is not required of Catholics and has not been since Peter ruled on this back in the first century. Many in the medical profession are of the opinion that circumcision prevents certain health problems, but that is false. In fact, Our Lord himself has admitted in the Catholic revelations that circumcision is not better functionally--medically speaking and functionally speaking, it is not good for a man.

Functionally, the foreskin, the tissue that folds over the head of the penis is very sexually sensitive tissue, and removing it cuts down on sensitivity to sexual tactile stimulation, although it does not affect the ability to climax or anything like that, for the head of the penis is also sensitive, sensitive in the same way that a woman’s citreous is sensitive, in fact, the head of the penis in a man corresponds to the citreous in a woman, which also becomes erect when excited, can even vibrate, and is involved in a woman’s climax (and a woman can have a large climax like a man if sufficiently stimulated. Though many women have never experienced this during intercourse, they can if properly stimulated). Sometimes too much tissue is removed in a circumcision and it makes it uncomfortable or even painful when the man has a strong hard on because of the over stretching of tissue, in extreme cases, the stretched tissue can even break the skin and bleed. I don’t know what the medical norm is, but in my opinion, if circumcision is going to be done, it’s best not to remove all the tissue in the fold. That gives some room for expansion without overstretching, and I think that would still satisfy the requirement of circumcision

Muslims circumcise women, which removes sexually sensitive tissue on the Labia Minora. And, functionally speaking, that is not good for the woman either. Circumcision of women is not required in Judaism. I am not in favor of circumcising women. Circumcision of males is not required for Gentile Christians; although some have it done (often because some doctor thinks it is better for hygiene or whatever). But if a Christian male wants to become part of the covenant of Abraham and become a citizen of Israel, he has to have to have it done, it’s a requirement in that case.

Louie

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There are no "Catholic revelations" Louie.

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You people have so subordinated your mind to a book of ancient beliefs that you can't think for yourselves.

Why in the world do you think Almighty God would be concerned with circumcision?

Can you answer this, Louie?

Can anyone give a reasonable reason?

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There are no "Catholic revelations" Louie.


There are plenty. Various saints have prohecied things abd there have been many apparitions of Jesus and Mary whereby prophecies were made. Catherine Emerich made more than any other one person, probably.

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Quote from kb2222:
You people have so subordinated your mind to a book of ancient beliefs that you can't think for yourselves.

Why in the world do you think Almighty God would be concerned with circumcision?

Can you answer this, Louie?

Can anyone give a reasonable reason?


Circumcision of males was required by God of Jewish male babies to prefigure the blood that Jesus would shed on the cross.

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Louie, in which revelation, to which person, in what year did zJesus say that circumcision is of no medical value?

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Circumcision of males was required by God of Jewish male babies to prefigure the blood that Jesus would shed on the cross.

This sort of statement shows just how illogical and devious you are, Ludlow. According to your warped/corrupt mind anything having to do with blood letting whether it be slaughtering goats and bulls for centuries or now circumcision was to "prefigure the blood that Jesus would shed on the cross" as if God is some kind of a blood thirsty illogical nutcase. You are truly corrupt, Ludlow.

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Kb, let God be God, stop trying to tell him what to do and what not to do, that’s not your place. He’s God, you’re not. Stop trying to remake God the Father, the Creator, King, and Judge, into a God more to your liking, a God who lets everyone do as they damn well please, where actions have no consequences. God created us, and he has the right to determine who lives and who dies. Get over it. I knew Hell existed when I submitted myself to God, but that was not the reason. All my life I have loved truth and justice, and I did it because he is a God of truth and Justice, and I knew that without him truth and justice would not prevail in the end.

Louie

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OP, Thou shalt not covet another man’s wife and another man’s goods. That says it all. You are waging war against God's command, and nothing good can come from that on Earth.

Cup, “separation of Church and State” is a phrase not found in the US constitution. It is also a phrase not found in the Bible. But you know that already.

Louie
You seem to be ignoring my responses to every time you make this argument. How often do you describe where you live as "my state". Do you own it? Chuckle.

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There are plenty. Various saints have prohecied things abd there have been many apparitions of Jesus and Mary whereby prophecies were made.


No they didn't. And no, there haven't been any "apparitions" of Jesus and Mary whereby prophecies were made.

Catherine Emerich made more than any other one person, probably.


She was an LSD user for starters, an emaciated, sickly one.

Anyone can say stuff. That doesn't make it prophecy or revelation.

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Catherine Emerich described the hose where Jesus, Mary, and Joseph lived, to the nth degree, though she had never seen it with her own eyes. She described many other places like that.

A kid eating marigolds is a far cry from a modern adult taking LSD.

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"A government of harmless intent"? Maybe Lenin, Trorsky, and Stalin meant no harm. Maybe they honestly believed taking over even the smallest businesses really would help the people. Maybe, ehen Stalin collectivized all those farms, he really believed that food production would skyrocket. It takes more than harmless intent---it takes people who know what they are doing, people who take history as their guide (a liberal could be defined as a person who does not take history as his guide).

"A government to manage resources"? Any government that takes on the task of micro-managing resources and business is a government that is way too powerful, no matter who altruistic and well-meaning their intentions were when they started.
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I really recommend you read Animal Farm by George Orwell. Oh, the revolution started so well! How happy the animals were! But see how their revolution rapidly devolved.


Frankly Lud, until you acknowledge you know the difference between capitalism, socialism, and communism, your opinions and recommendations have little or no credibility.

Socialism and capitalism are resource management systems that are both private property based.

Communism, democracy, and true Christianity are not at all based on private property and in fact are all solely based on public property.

Private property is by nature uncivil and the pursuit of it is uncivilized. Private property is the forbidden fruit because it is inherently and paradoxically the enemy of state.

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Capitalism works. Socialism doesn't. Capitalistic South Korea prospers. Socialistic North Korea starves.

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Quote from ludlowlowell:
Catherine Emerich described the hose where Jesus, Mary, and Joseph lived, to the nth degree, though she had never seen it with her own eyes. She described many other places like that.

A kid eating marigolds is a far cry from a modern adult taking LSD.



You are a complete fool. How do you know Emerich described the house correctly? You don't. You just lie about everything to support the corrupt teachings of the RCC.

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Quote from ludlowlowell:
Catherine Emerich described the hose where Jesus, Mary, and Joseph lived, to the nth degree, though she had never seen it with her own eyes. She described many other places like that.

A kid eating marigolds is a far cry from a modern adult taking LSD.


Quote from kb2222:


You are a complete fool. How do you know Emerich described the house correctly? You don't. You just lie about everything to support the corrupt teachings of the RCC.


He said they lived in a hose. Was it a half inch hose or a three quarter inch hose? Aye, thar's the question, matey.

And of course, no one knows if she described it to the nth degree or not. That's just stupid.

And he has before said something about this Emerich woman being just "a kid" eating "marigolds."

She was a full grown adult and NO ONE has ever said anything about "marigolds." Ever. Except for Ludlow.

Lud has been told this before but he just ignores what he doesn't want to hear. He has mastered the art of willful ignorance.

Wikipedia
The seeds of many species of morning glory contain ergoline alkaloids such as the psychedelic ergonovine and ergine (LSA). Seeds of Ipomoea tricolor and Turbina corymbosa (syn. R. corymbosa) are used as psychedelics. The seeds of morning glory can produce a similar effect to LSD when taken in large doses, often numbering into the hundreds. Though the chemical LSA is not legal in some countries, the seeds are found in many gardening stores; however, the seeds from commercial sources are often coated in some form of pesticide or methylmercury.[4] These coatings are especially dangerous if one has a history of liver disorders and may also cause neural damage.[5][6][7]

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OP, socialist advocate and apologist, you who would remake Christianity and the Gospel of Christ into your Marxist ideal, you say: “Communism, democracy, and true Christianity are not at all based on private property and in fact are all solely based on public property. Private property is by nature uncivil and the pursuit of it is uncivilized. Private property is the forbidden fruit because it is inherently and paradoxically the enemy of state.”

“THOU SHALT NOT COVET THY NEIGHBOR’S WIFE AND THOU SHALT NOT COVER THY NEIGHBOR’S GOODS”. The “forbidden fruit”, to use your term, is your neighbor’s wife and property. Oh the horror of it all! Oh the horror!! Oh the horror!!! The second amendment comes in handy when it comes to protecting our private property from people like you. Theft and robbery are against God’s law, whether you think it is or not, they are sins for which you will be judged if unrepented by the time death seals your fate forever. When you defend and promote the crime and sin of theft, you make yourself a party to it, an accessory to it.

Marxism is the enemy of private property and private capitalism, and so are you. The Gospel according to Shylywilling is the Gospel, not of Christ, but of Carl Marx, which has been responsible for the murder of over a billion people around the world in its history, and will, during the coming Third World War be responsible for the destruction of civilization as we know it and the killing of half the world's population (Up, devour much flesh! Dn).

You are preaching Liberation Theology, the Marxist diversion of the Gospel to the Marxist cause. Actions have consequences Shylywilling, and your actions will have horrendous consequences. You are serving, not God, but your Marxist idols, you need to repent of what you are doing before death seals your fate forever.

Socialism and Marxism has not worked in any nation it has been forced upon. It is a failure, while economies based on private capitalism have been shining successes.

Louie

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kb2222
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You people have so subordinated your mind to a book of ancient beliefs that you can't think for yourselves.

Why in the world do you think Almighty God would be concerned with circumcision?

Can you answer this, Louie?

Can anyone give a reasonable reason?


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shylywilling
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Good luck with that owning private property Louie, I suppose LORD God expected this when he warned not to eat the forbidden fruit to be as gods because LORD God would be well aware of the practice leading to slavery. Like fools believing they own another such as a wife, child, neighbor, etc....as if they were gods.

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ludlowlowell
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Shy, do you own the clothes on your back? Do you own the computer that you typed that message on?

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louie6332
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Lud, you ask Shy: “Shy, do you own the clothes on your back? Do you own the computer that you typed that message on?”

Lud, in his mind, he does not own it, we all own it. It belongs to all of us. So we need to go take it from him, especially if we need his clothes to keep warm this winter, and especially if we need his computer when ours breaks down or whatever. And if we need a wife, we can just go take his, if he has one (which I am sure he don't, no woman in their right mind would have him).

Louie

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shylywilling
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Quote from louie6332:
Lud, you ask Shy: “Shy, do you own the clothes on your back? Do you own the computer that you typed that message on?”

Lud, in his mind, he does not own it, we all own it. It belongs to all of us. So we need to go take it from him, especially if we need his clothes to keep warm this winter, and especially if we need his computer when ours breaks down or whatever. And if we need a wife, we can just go take his, if he has one (which I am sure he don't, no woman in their right mind would have him).

Louie


You are stubbornly trying not to admit it Louie but I am not fooled, you do understand it. A stewardship from LORD God means ask not what your fellow man can do for you but rather what can you do for your fellow man. Goats are selfish takers and sheep are timid/meek.

(Mat 25:31) When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:

(Mat 25:32) And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:

(Mat 25:33) And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.

(Mat 25:34) Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

(Mat 25:35) For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:

(Mat 25:36) Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.

(Mat 25:37) Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?

(Mat 25:38) When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?

(Mat 25:39) Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?

(Mat 25:40) And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

(Mat 25:41) Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

(Mat 25:42) For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:

(Mat 25:43) I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.

(Mat 25:44) Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?

(Mat 25:45) Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.

(Mat 25:46) And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

LORD God is no respecter of person Lud.

(Mat 18:1) At the same time came the disciples unto Jesus, saying, Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven?

(Mat 18:2) And Jesus called a little child unto him, and set him in the midst of them,

(Mat 18:3) And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.

(Mat 18:4) Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven.

(Mat 18:5) And whoso shall receive one such little child in my name receiveth me.

(Mat 18:6) But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.

(Mat 18:7) Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh!

(Mat 18:8) Wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee, cut them off, and cast them from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into everlasting fire.

(Mat 18:9) And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire.

(Mat 18:10) Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven.

(Mat 18:11) For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost.

(Mat 18:12) How think ye? if a man have an hundred sheep, and one of them be gone astray, doth he not leave the ninety and nine, and goeth into the mountains, and seeketh that which is gone astray?

(Mat 18:13) And if so be that he find it, verily I say unto you, he rejoiceth more of that sheep, than of the ninety and nine which went not astray.

(Mat 18:14) Even so it is not the will of your Father which is in heaven, that one of these little ones should perish.

(Mat 18:21) Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times?

(Mat 18:22) Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven.

(Mat 18:23) Therefore is the kingdom of heaven likened unto a certain king, which would take account of his servants.

(Mat 18:24) And when he had begun to reckon, one was brought unto him, which owed him ten thousand talents.

(Mat 18:25) But forasmuch as he had not to pay, his lord commanded him to be sold, and his wife, and children, and all that he had, and payment to be made.

(Mat 18:26) The servant therefore fell down, and worshipped him, saying, Lord, have patience with me, and I will pay thee all.

(Mat 18:27) Then the lord of that servant was moved with compassion, and loosed him, and forgave him the debt.

(Mat 18:28) But the same servant went out, and found one of his fellowservants, which owed him an hundred pence: and he laid hands on him, and took him by the throat, saying, Pay me that thou owest.

(Mat 18:29) And his fellowservant fell down at his feet, and besought him, saying, Have patience with me, and I will pay thee all.

(Mat 18:30) And he would not: but went and cast him into prison, till he should pay the debt.

(Mat 18:31) So when his fellowservants saw what was done, they were very sorry, and came and told unto their lord all that was done.

(Mat 18:32) Then his lord, after that he had called him, said unto him, O thou wicked servant, I forgave thee all that debt, because thou desiredst me:

(Mat 18:33) Shouldest not thou also have had compassion on thy fellowservant, even as I had pity on thee?

(Mat 18:34) And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors, till he should pay all that was due unto him.

(Mat 18:35) So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you, if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses.

A private property capitalist lacks belief in fellow man.

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ludlowlowell
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If socialism triumphed in America, we would all be hungry, thirsty, and naked.

"We pretend to work, and they pretend to pay us."

--what Soviet block factory workers used to say

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shylywilling
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The price of eternity is belief in fellow man.

I would like to revisit the ironic issue of a threat to individuality. The universe is diverse and demands cooperation amongst diverse entities for negotiating and survival within it's diverse environment. Hence at least three degrees are required to complete the circle of life. One might refer to these as the arcs, (ribs), of life.

The unique attributes of each arc combined in cooperation provide the managed diversity necessary for survival. Hence man, woman, and child. Three parts of an atom.

A father's natural arc is to impart tolerance, if not he soon would conquer himself extinct.

A mother's natural arc is to impart nurture, if not she would starve her self extinct.

A child's natural arc is to learn, if not it ignores it's self to extinction.

These three diverse qualities combined in harmony prove a formidable partnership for survival.

However, when something prevents or distorts the harmonic cooperation between these entities the result is extinction.

That something has been the selfish influence of pursuing private property leverages and advantages which has divided the three up into three separate agents of self.

The father's natural arc of imparting tolerance becomes self centered or isolated.

The mother's natural role of imparting nurture becomes self nurture or greed.

The child's natural role of learning becomes arrogant or tyrannical.

We are breeding greedy arrogant tyrants and ironically, the diversity and uniqueness of man, woman, and child, is disappearing from our cultures and societal interests. The only result of this blending and homogenizing our unique attributes is self inflicted extinction.

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ludlowlowell
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Who are the truly greedy, Shy, a community of small businessmen (like Jesus, Joseph, Simon, Andrew, James, and John), peacefully going anout their business, paying their bills, paying their employees, and raising their children, or wild-eyed radicals who play upon man's envy to forment revolution which brings in a socialist government that micro-manages everybody's lives and brings financial ruin to all?

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shylywilling
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Jesus gives us a great description of private property capitalism, the greedy nature of those whom abuse leverages and advantages inherent within the inequitable system, and the consequences of such an inequitable system of a divided house.

(Mat 25:14) For the kingdom of heaven is as a man travelling into a far country, who called his own servants, and delivered unto them his goods.

(Mat 25:15) And unto one he gave five talents, to another two, and to another one; to every man according to his several ability; and straightway took his journey.

(Mat 25:16) Then he that had received the five talents went and traded with the same, and made them other five talents.

(Mat 25:17) And likewise he that had received two, he also gained other two.

(Mat 25:18) But he that had received one went and digged in the earth, and hid his lord's money.

(Mat 25:19) After a long time the lord of those servants cometh, and reckoneth with them.

(Mat 25:20) And so he that had received five talents came and brought other five talents, saying, Lord, thou deliveredst unto me five talents: behold, I have gained beside them five talents more.

(Mat 25:21) His lord said unto him, Well done, thou good and faithful servant: thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.

(Mat 25:22) He also that had received two talents came and said, Lord, thou deliveredst unto me two talents: behold, I have gained two other talents beside them.

(Mat 25:23) His lord said unto him, Well done, good and faithful servant; thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.

(Mat 25:24) Then he which had received the one talent came and said, Lord, I knew thee that thou art an hard man, reaping where thou hast not sown, and gathering where thou hast not strawed:

(Mat 25:25) And I was afraid, and went and hid thy talent in the earth: lo, there thou hast that is thine.

(Mat 25:26) His lord answered and said unto him, Thou wicked and slothful servant, thou knewest that I reap where I sowed not, and gather where I have not strawed:

(Mat 25:27) Thou oughtest therefore to have put my money to the exchangers, and then at my coming I should have received mine own with usury.

(Mat 25:28) Take therefore the talent from him, and give it unto him which hath ten talents.

(Mat 25:29) For unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath.

(Mat 25:30) And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

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The man who received five talents and the man who received two became entrepreneurs, capitalists in other words. They invested what they had and made honest profits. The man who buried his---well, you couldn't call him a socialist---he didn't turn the money over to the government and say, hey, you bureaucrats are smarter than me, manage my money, please---but he was lazy, laziness being a by-product of socialism. If the government owns everything and pays your salary whether you work or not, why put out any effort?

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If Jesus were trying to teach a lesson of socialism here, He would have not said that one man received five talents, another man two, and and another man one. The talents would have been divided equally---each man receiving 2.6666 talents.



[Edited 10/14/2016 10:50:36 AM ]

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Shy, “Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor’s wife, and thou shalt not covet thy neighbor’s goods”. Exactly what part of this strict divine command do you NOT understand?

No, Christ was not a socialist or a Communist. And if you would go around the world and look at the dire straits of the citizens in those countries, you would not be either. Socialism and Communism do not work in practice. Don’t just assume it works. Check it out before you promote Marxism and Communism in this forum and other forums. You are no better than Obama and Bill and Hillary Clinton, they are trying to force Communism on the American people, you know, the American people whom she utterly despises.

Shy, you are preaching Liberation Theology, which is the Communist effort to divert Christianity to the goal of Communism, which is the enemy of private capitalism and of Christ. We are now close to the Third World War, during which Russia and her Marxist and Muslim allies from around the world will wage war against Israel, the Christian nations of the West, and the Church, it will be the greatest persecution of the Church to date, short but very bloody, they will try to kill all Christians.

Louie

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The socialist does covet his neighbor's goods. The fact that he covets them, not for himself, but for the government, makes it no less a covet.

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shylywilling
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Quote from ludlowlowell:
If Jesus were trying to teach a lesson of socialism here, He would have not said that one man received five talents, another man two, and and another man one. The talents would have been divided equally---each man receiving 2.6666 talents.


Lud, most of the time I give you credit for being willfully ignorant but sometimes I have to question this assessment because dumb is the only plausible explanation. See if after re-reading the first sentence I posted describing the parable of the talents you still agree with your response quoted above.

Jesus gives us a great description of private property capitalism, the greedy nature of those whom abuse leverages and advantages inherent within the inequitable system, and the consequences of such an inequitable system of a divided house.


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Jesus was a capitalist. He had His own carpentry business.

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shylywilling
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Quote from ludlowlowell:
Jesus was a capitalist. He had His own carpentry business.
LOL.

The Vatican prints and worships false idols to be as gods and know/wield good and evil. What other response could I expect from one indoctrinated into thousands of years worth of fig leaf conditioning. Be as children was the response from Jesus to those led astray by worshipers of false gods, ie.. practitioners of private property capitalism - eating the forbidden fruit in the midst of the garden. He was suggesting that what they where arrogantly sure of was predicated on untruth. Ironically, the false condition often produces the unwanted effect of an immature human. One that might respond like you did above Lud where realizing your error you lashed out at your teacher with a vindictive malicious lie about an innocent interest.

Follow on....

Have you noticed how so many environmental battles are taking place on earth between affected populations and corporations. Before I move completely to the Babylon tower to build names for themselves relationship to this contemporary struggle of humanity I have got to touch more on the civilization of Eden outcome and definitely want to hit on cane's left over offering to LORD God whom naturally was unappreciative of the spoiled little capitalistic twirp's left overs. Chuckle.

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Shy, I went to Mass this morning. We worshipped no idols. We worshipped no property, privately owned or otherwise. We asked Mary, St. Isaac Jogues (it's his feast day), and some other saints, but we did not worship them.

We worshipped God. No one, and no thing, else.

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kb2222
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What did you ASK "Mary, St. Isaac Jogues and some other saints" Ludlow?

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The saints are closer to God than we are and their prayers are more efficacious than ours. But direct prayer to God is not forbidden, and most of the Mass is a direct prayer to God.

I remember, back in my Methodist days, thinking that Catholic lay people were forbidden to pray directly to God. I was of course wrong.

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Ludlow says:
The saints are closer to God than we are


But Jesus says: "...behold, the kingdom of God is within you." (Luk 17:20-21)

Can't get any closer than that. Ludlow teaches Satanic doctrines designed to put middlemen in between you and God and prevent your prayers from ever reaching God. Jesus says, "when you pray" pray to the Father. Ludlow's teachings are Satanic.

Ludlow says:
and their prayers are more efficacious than ours.


Baseless, unsupportable Satanic assertion.

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shylywilling
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Quote from ludlowlowell:
Shy, I went to Mass this morning. We worshipped no idols. We worshipped no property, privately owned or otherwise. We asked Mary, St. Isaac Jogues (it's his feast day), and some other saints, but we did not worship them.

We worshipped God. No one, and no thing, else.
The Vatican prints idols, (money), to create false gods. You let the product, personal leverages and advantages to enslave others, rule your life lud, this is to worship it.

LORD God commanded a communist Eden and mankind. The tree was in the "midst" signifying public property and to touch or eat by an individual is to take ownership and deprive all of an equal benefit. To be like gods and decide whom will be nurtured with bountiful resources,(good), and whom will be deprived of the LORD God's bountiful resources, (evil).

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Um, excuse me Shy, but the Russians always had their rubles and the Red Chinese their yuan. Socialist countries use and print money too.

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shylywilling
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Quote from ludlowlowell:
Um, excuse me Shy, but the Russians always had their rubles and the Red Chinese their yuan. Socialist countries use and print money too.


I did not say you were alone. The disobedience began in Eden. The kingdom of God is no respecter of person Lud, we are one. Two wrongs do not make a right anyway. But I suspect the desire to dodge accountability by deflection this way was represented as fig leaves so you again are not alone in this behavior, just predictably symptomatic. We are always naked to LORD God but I suspect the Vatican would not have supported an understanding of what Jesus meant by repeating to his executioners, "your own king David said the word of God came to God". To relate that we are all equal stewards of the bounty of LORD God would have been a contradiction to the endeavors and interests of private property capitalism - slavery.

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ludlowlowell
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The government effectively owning everything---now there's the real slavery. Read Animal Farm or 1984 by George Orwell. Animal Farm is particularly on point---a socialist revolution starts with the best of intentions, but look where it ends up.

Jesus and Joseph were capitalists---they owned there own carpentry tools, as small-time residential contractors do today. Simon, Andrew, James, and John were capitalists---they owned their own boats and nets. Paul was a capitalist---he owned his own tent-making tools and supplies.

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Kb, you ask Lud: “What did you ASK "Mary, St. Isaac Jogues and some other saints" Ludlow?” Lud, if you will, I will answer that question. Kb, we ask Mary to pray for us:

“Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee, blessed art thou among women and blessed is the fruit of thy wound Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, Pray for us sinners, now, and at the moment of our death. Amen. [Mary has promised those who are in a state of grace and who devoutly say this prayer and the Rosary that she will come to them at the moment of their death to take them home.]

And we ask Mary to intervene to put down the current world wide revolution in the world and in the Church, for she has given us this prayer and told us the time had come to ask for her intervention:

“August Queen of Heaven, Sovereign Mistress of Angels, thou, who from the beginning hath received from God the power and the mission of crushing the head of Satan, the ancient serpent, we humbly beseech thee to send thy holy legends, that under thy command and by thy power, they may pursue the evil spirits, encounter them on every side, resist their bold attacks, and drive them hence into the abyss of woe. Amen”

And Sly, take the Bible literally, stop twisting the literal meaning in an attempt to support your Liberation Theology. Honest men do not do that. I remind you again, God has commanded: "Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's wife, and thou shalt not cover they neighbor's goods." God is commanding you to respect married men's wives, and their private property here. He is not establishing nor endorsing socialism here.And you cannot twist it to mean that he is, unless you redefine every word in it. Give it up Sly, be a man and admit that you are wrong.

Louie