Not sure I get the point here.

What we have now days in "trickle down economics" is not really Capitalism, but rather is Feudalism with a Globalist agenda .

I do not think Henry Fords concept of trickle up economics , where if the bottom guy in his plant could afford to purchase goods, would benefit all above him, can be compared to what we call Capitalism today. And neither I think, can the OPs description be used as case against Capitalism. Because he as well describes Feudalism now days as being Capitalism.

Replace corporation with the state, and you have a form of Communism.

In both states, one has a small few who are "entitled". And neither do you have a level playing field .

There is no private property in true communism, true Christianity, and democracy. All are systems of public stewardship in which each and every citizen has an equal voice/value.

Private property is the forbidden fruit. Described in the "midst" as in available to all for enjoying the beauty, and the fragrance. But once touched, tasted, or eaten, only one benefits from the bounty.

(Gen 2:9) And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

(Gen 3:3) But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.

Shy, do you own the clothes on your back? Do you own the computer that you post on DH with? Do you honestly think the government should own these things?

For the sake of further clarifying the argument. I am saying that mankind has suffered a tremendous amount of absolutely unnecessary treachery and hardship as a direct result of practicing a resource management system of private property. You are saying the fear of being too much alike as equally valued partners in stewardship of a common interest is worth all the harmful behaviors and cannibalism of opportunities inspired by the pursuit of private property advantage and leverage. I can't pretend to be even a little sold on that trade off.

Douglas collected data from more than a hundred large British businesses and found that in nearly every case, except that of companies becoming bankrupt, the sums paid out in salaries, wages and dividends were always less than the total costs of goods and services produced each week: consumers did not have enough income to buy back what they had made. He published his observations and conclusions in an article in the magazine The English Review, where he suggested: "That we are living under a system of accountancy which renders the delivery of the nation's goods and services to itself a technical impossibility."[5] He later formalized this observation in his A+B theorem. Douglas proposed to eliminate this difference between total prices and total incomes by augmenting consumers' purchasing power through a National Dividend and a Compensated Price Mechanism.

So Shy, you are against noth capitalism and socialism? So e what kind of system should we have?

You are right that a crash is coming, but not because if capitalism, but because of the national debt. When the national debt gets so high that the government can't make payments, hyperinflation will result, and we will be like Germany in the 1920s, with prices doubling every four days.

But all of thos is more of a political issue than a religious one. Why don't you discuss it in the Current Events forum?

Shy, I'll bet you own private property. Don't you own your own clothes? Don't you have a coputer or cell phone to post on DH with?

If its okay for you to own clothes, a computer, and a car, its okay for other people to own stock or real estate. Property is property, and at no time did God ever say that owning property was wrong in and of itself.

Yes, God warned the rich not to become too attached to their property, and He made it clear that they must share their wealth with the poor, and He invites some (monks and nuns) to sell all they have and give the proceeds to the poor, but He did not forbid private ownership of property. I think it's a safe bet Jesus and Joseph owned their own carpentry tools.

You have been misled and are misleading. It is strictly forbidden to own private property. All including clothes etc.. We have been granted stewardship/dominion of all and a will to survive. We have been granted ownership of nothing material.

(Gen 2:9) And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

(Gen 2:17) But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

(Gen 3:3) But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.

"midst" as in public property. All can enjoy the aroma and beauty of LORD God's bounty but to touch or eat it is to seize possession for personal individual interests and deprives the rest potential opportunity.

Most if not all of Genesis chapter 2 is dedicated to instructions for communism and against private property capitalism. However to simplify it I will offer that the LORD God named the four rivers of Eden in order of resource priority. Rivers and water/mists scripturally designating resources.

1. Alleviate all suffering.
2. Nurture growth and evolution.
3. Recreate.
4. Conservation.

All a society has to add is a mechanism for logistical application such as a democracy and a law of a harmless intent. Then we just need to fine tune the public service requirement. I like a starting point of twelve years of standard education followed by twelve years of public service in whatever available harmless endeavor of one's choice and at thirty years old, a citizen is free of civic duty and can choose what ever harmless endeavor pleases him/her. Most I am sure will continue doing what they love and are already world equipped to do.

One has to keep in mind that this scenario is an entirely different paradigm in which we will celebrate and champion those that provide the most benefit to others with the least resources to do so. Sort of a serve all others before self mindset that is just about opposite from the private property capitalist we are familiar with.

Instead of lifestyles of the rich and famous we will strive to be humbly helpful. Instead of distrustful and fearful of strangers we will relish opportunities to interact with strangers. Instead of conquering and tyrannical we will be nurturing and tolerant. A kingdom like glass.

Let's discuss hoarding. If Joe Jones sees that a war or drought is coming, and stores up food, and his neighbors don't, does that make Joe Jones a bad guy?

Some would say that hoarding cash is wrong. If a person stuffs money in his mattress, he is doing others neither good nor harm. If too many people did this, the Federal Reserve can simply put more money into circulation by buying more government bonds. If the so-called hoarder keeps money in the bank or buys private bonds, he is helping businesses to get loans to expand their businesses, which creates employment, and more goods and services. If he buys stock, same thing. If he buys government bonds, I guess that would be a neutral act.

The capitalistic system works. Gordon Gekko was wrong about greed being good but the free enterprise system is good (yes, it can be subject to abuse). Jesus and Joseph did not work for a government agency. They owned their own small business.

"Talking about ownership doesn't it start with marriage--
we do NOT share our marriage partner (loved one) in an intimate way with others---
Is that a form of ownership?
Would holding all things in common (no ownership)
destroy the family?
Everyone would be our love ones"

The free enterprise, or calitalistic, system is much more efficient than the socialistic system, as has been proved over and over. In socialistic North Korea people are starving, whereas free enterprise South Korea is one of the most prosperous nations on earth.

God himself endorsed "hording", as you call it, during the time of Joseph (I think it was Joseph), advising the King of Egypt, through Joseph, to buy and store away food for the coming seven year famine. God does not disapprove of preparing for coming disasters. He warned it was coming and advised you to prepare. And that is what the wise do. Those who are prepared have a much better chance of surviving what is coming.

Louie

Matthew 6:31-34: Jesus says, "Do not worry, saying, 'What shall we eat?' or 'What shall we drink?' or 'What shall we wear?' For the pagans {Like Louie} run after all these things, and your heavenly Father knows that you need them. But seek first His kingdom and His righteousness, and all things will be given to you as well. Therefore **DO NOT WORRY ABOUT TOMORROW**, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own!!"

THE GREAT COMMISSION: Matthew 28:18-20: Jesus says, “All authority in heaven and on *EARTH has been given to Me {Not some RC Pope}. Therefore go and make disciples of *ALL NATIONS*...teaching them to **OBEY EVERYTHING** I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very *END OF THE AGE*!”