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freegratis
Irving, TX
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OK. You seem pretty confused so let's see if we can straighten this mess out.
1. Romans 10:16 is not Romans 11, as you had originally claimed.
2. Israel is scattered. We have lost touch with the majority of Israel. They are still here on the Earth. But we just don't identify them. You might be an Israelite for all we know.
Yet I am sure God knows who they are.
Do you know when they were scattered?
3. CLV Ro 10:16 But not all obey the evangel, for Isaiah is saying, "Lord, who believes our tidings?"
This verse does not say that "most" of Israel have rejected Christ.
4. If you read the rest of that chapter you may find out that Israel has yet to make a decision on Jesus as Messiah. It is prophesied that they will.
5. If you mean by Israel you are referring to the Jews, there is really nothing in the Scriptures that suggests the "majority" of the Jews have rejected Jesus.
Have the majority of the Jews rejected Jesus? That is a hard question to answer. There are many definitions of what a Jew is. For example, can a Gentile convert to Judaism, and if he/she does, will he be counted as a Jew? By whom?
Certainly the Orthodox Jews that get most of the press seem to have rejected Jesus. But do they make up the "majority"?
But they are right. Jesus did not come as Messiah. Jesus did not do what the Messiah was predicted to do. So if Jesus is Messiah He has not shown it.
It is predicted that He will. It is predicted that He will return and fulfill the job of Messiah. But to date, He has not.
I guess that depends on how you define "remnant". In my book remnant is orders of magnitudes lower than a majority and not even close to being mistaken for a majority. If you don't get that from Romans 11, I offered Romans 10:16. The point of Romans 10:16 and following is to say Israel had not accepted the Messiah and the Gentiles will.
And that is similar to the parable in Luke 14:16-24
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indianadave1951
Mishawaka, IN
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God commanded the ancient Israelites to make animal sacrifices for one reason and one reason only---that these sacrifices serve as a prefigure of the sacrifice of Jesus in the cross that was to come.
Animal sacrifice was part of the Law of Moses. In fact, all of the patriarchs made animal sacrifices. The most famous was Abraham and Issac on mount Mariah (Mount Mariah being where the Temple ultimately stood). Jesus is the Messiah and fulfillment of the Law of Moses so daily sacrifices are no longer needed.
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ludlowlowell
Panama City, FL
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The Mass is the unbloody re-enactment of Jesus' sacrifice in the cross and God desires that it be done daily, and it is done daily in the Catholic Church.
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followjesusonly
Kingman, AZ
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Where does Jesus say God desires it be done daily? And your sect re-crucifies Jesus 350,000 times a day around the world. Where does Jesus say to do that?
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bigd9832
Chicago, IL
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The word "remnant" shows up only once in Romans 11...
CLV Ro 11:5 Thus, then, in the current era also, there has come to be a remnant according to the choice of grace.
One of the biggest mistakes many people make when interpreting the Scriptures is trying to fit a modern English definition into an Ancient word. The books of the NT were written nearly two thousand years ago and thousands of miles away from the United States. Alot can happen to a word in two thousand years.
That is why we use a Concordance. It is like a dictionary of Ancient words. An accurate Concordance will give you the meanings of the Ancient terms when they were written. None of this "in my book" stuff.
Strong's says...
G3005 leimma lime'-mah
from G3007;
a remainder.
There is really nothing in this definition that suggests a number or a percentage. But taken with the other two verses I posted I would say that it would be a mistake to say the Jews have rejected Jesus as their Messiah.
Also the prophecy in Romans 11 certainly suggests that whatever the Jews believe now is no reflection on what they will believe when He returns.
But it seems you do have one real problem. You don't seem to be able to distinguish between Israel and the Jews. Do you know the difference?
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ludlowlowell
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Where does Jesus say God desires it be done daily? And your sect re-crucifies Jesus 350,000 times a day around the world. Where does Jesus say to do that?
Jesus said "give us this day our daily bread", didn't He? Some translations say "give us this day our supersubstantial bread", a clear reference to the Eucharist. And, although Jesus' Body and Blood are offered to the Father in the Mass, which of course makes it a sacrifice, Jesus is not re-crucified in the Mass. Jesus was crucified once and for all on Mt. Calvary 2000 years ago.
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freegratis
Irving, TX
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But it seems you do have one real problem. You don't seem to be able to distinguish between Israel and the Jews. Do you know the difference?
I'm not really concerned about that.
Do you think the temple will be rebuilt in the land of Israel which is surrounded by enemies?
Do you think the bible supports that?
Do you think blood sacrifice will resume and then be stopped by the AntiChrist (perhaps by petitioning from PETA, Urantia followers and people that find animal sacrifice inhumane, etc)?
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bigd9832
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I think that is a mistake. There are some prophecies that involve Israel and some that involve the Jews. Not knowing who the Jews are or their origins will limit your ability to interpret Scriptures.
Yes, I do think that the rebuilding of the temple will signal the Great Tribulation.
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bigd9832
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Oh, one other thing I recall.
The Jews are often referred to as the remnant of Israel. If you knew the origins of the Jews that would make perfect sense.
Do you know who King Solomon is?
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freegratis
Irving, TX
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Oh, one other thing I recall.
The Jews are often referred to as the remnant of Israel. If you knew the origins of the Jews that would make perfect sense.
Do you know who King Solomon is?
As I understand, King Solomon wrote scripture; had 700 wives and 300 concubines; son of King David whom also took multiple wives; and both wrote scripture.
I understand Solomon's kingdom was divided due to his multiplying of wives and following their foreign gods and not following God's command no to do so. 1 Kings 11
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freegratis
Irving, TX
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I think that is a mistake. There are some prophecies that involve Israel and some that involve the Jews. Not knowing who the Jews are or their origins will limit your ability to interpret Scriptures.
Yes, I do think that the rebuilding of the temple will signal the Great Tribulation.
And isn't it highly likely that a physical temple in Israel will bring blood sacrifice?
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share_n_love
Fort Wayne, IN
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Animal sacrifice was part of the Law of Moses. In fact, all of the patriarchs made animal sacrifices. The most famous was Abraham and Issac on mount Mariah (Mount Mariah being where the Temple ultimately stood). Jesus is the Messiah and fulfillment of the Law of Moses so daily sacrifices are no longer needed.
Sacrificing was done LONG before Moses was ever in the picture. Abraham was a Gentile who lived in the City of Chaldea in the land of Ur until he was called out of Ur, and then he became a Hebrew...one of the nomadic Tribes that wandered the areas.
P.S. There is NO Law of Moses. God gave ALL the Law.
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prophetic774
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"THERE IS NO LONGER ANY SACRIFICE FOR SIN!!!" HEBREWS 10:18!!
Now there are many who believe we are still under the supervision of all 613 laws of Moses, and that animal sacrifices for sin are now replaced by human sacrifices for sin??? They believe in the following paragraph:
No sacrifice, no king, no prince, until latter days of Christ. Then our PRINCE arrived, the King of Kings, and the sacrifice was made and **CONTINUED???, as we sought the Lord and David our King, fearing the Lord and His goodness. Christ the living stone was disallowed of men, we are lively stones and offer spiritual, living sacrifices from our Holy Priesthood to God by Jesus Christ.
However, everyone agrees that God's born from above saints, washed in the blood of the Lamb; are commanded to make spiritual sacrifices in the New Covenant. However, God's Word clearly states dozens of times that Jesus Christ put an **END TO ALL SACRIFICES **FOR SIN**. According to OT Law there were thousands of animal sacrifices **FOR SIN** since without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sin. But the sacrifices God's saints make in the NT are never **CONTINUED** sacrifices for sin since Jesus put an end to all sacrifices for sin!!
The reason God's saints make sacrifices and do good works is not for the forgiveness of sins but to thank God for His free gift of eternal life and to gain countless eternal rewards for faithful and loving service!
Hebrews 10:11-18: Day after day every priest performs his religious duties again and again he offers the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins. But when this Priest had offered for all time **ONE SACRIFICE FOR SINS**, He sat down at the right hand of God... Because by **ONE SACRIFICE** He has made ***PERFECT FOREVER*** those who are being made holy. The Holy Spirit also testifies to us about this. First he says: "This is the covenant I will make with them after that time says the Lord. I will put My laws in their hearts, and I will write them on their minds." The he adds" Their sins and lawless acts I will remember **NO MORE**." And when these have been forgiven , there is **NO LONGER ANY SACRIFICE FOR SIN**!!
Ephesians 1:5-8: In love He predestined us to be adopted as His sons through Jesus Christ, in accordance with His pleasure and will--to the praise of His **GLORIOUS GRACE**, which He has freely given us in the One He loves. In Him we have **REDEMPTION THROUGH HIS BLOOD**, the **FORGIVENESS OF SINS**, in accordance with the riches of God's grace that He lavished on us with all wisdom and understanding!
Ephesians 2:4-10: Because of His great **LOVE** for us, God,, who is rich in mercy, made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions--it is **BY GRACE** you have been saved! And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with Him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus, in order that in the coming ages He might show the incomparable riches of His grace, expressed in His kindness to us in Christ Jesus. For it is **BY GRACE** you have been saved, through faith-- and this **NOT FROM YOURSELVES**, it is the **GIFT** of God--**NOT BY WORKS**, so that no one can boast. For we are God's workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do!
Hebrews 9:25-28: Nor did He enter heaven to offer Himself again and again, the way the high priest enters the Most Holy Place with blood that is not his own. Then Christ would have had to suffer many times since the creation of the world. But now He has appeared **ONCE FOR ALL** at the end of the ages to do away with sin by the sacrifice of Himself. Just as man is destined to die once , and after that to face judgment, so Christ was **SACRIFICED ONCE TO TAKE AWAY THE SINS OF MANY PEOPLE**!!
Hebrews 7:27: Unlike the other high priests, He does not need to offer sacrifices day after day, first for His own sins, and then for the sins of the people. He **SACRIFICED FOR THEIR SINS ONCE FOR ALL** when He offered Himself!!
Hebrews 10:8-10: First He said, "Sacrifices and offerings, burnt offerings and sin offerings You did not desire although the Law required them to be made. Then He said, "Here I am, I have come to do your will." He set aside the first to establish the second. And by that will, we have been made holy through the **SACRIFICE OF THE BODY OF JESUS ONCE FOR ALL**!!
Galatians 2:20,21: The life I live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me. I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing!"
Galatians 3:10-13: "All who rely on observing the law are under a curse, for it is written "Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law."** CLEARLY NO ONE IS JUSTIFIED BEFORE GOD BY THE LAW**, because, "The righteous will live by faith." The law is not based on faith; on the contrary, "The man who does these things will live by them." Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us!
Hebrews 7:18,19: The former regulation is SET ASIDE because it was weak and useless; for the law made nothing perfect, and a **BETTER HOPE** is introduced, by which we draw near to God.!
Revelation 5:9: "You are worthy to take the scroll and to open its seals, because You were slain, and **WITH YOUR BLOOD YOU PURCHASED MEN FOR GOD** from every tribe and language and people and nation!!"
Isaiah 53:5,6: But He was pierced for our transgressions, He was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was upon Him, and by His wounds we are healed. We all like sheep have gone astray, each of us has turned to his own way; and **THE LORD HAS LAID ON HIM THE INIQUITY OF US ALL**!!
I Peter 1:1,19: For you know that it was no with perishable things such as silver or gold that you were **REDEEMED** from the empty way of life handed down to you by you forefathers, but with the **PRECIOUS BLOOD OF CHRIST**, a Lamb without blemish or defect!!
Galatians 3:23-25: "Before faith came, we were held prisoners by the law, locked up until faith should be revealed. So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ that we might be **JUSTIFIED BY FAITH**. Now that faith has come, *WE* ARE NO LONGER UNDER THE SUPERVISION OF THE LAW!!" {Adam777 disagrees with these inspired words of God! He believes we are still under **SUPERVISION OF OT LAW!}
I Corinthians 9:20,21: Paul said, "To the Jews I became like a Jew, to win the Jews. To those under the law I became like one under the law though **I MYSELF AM NOT UNDER THE LAW**, so as to win those under the law. To those not having the law I became like one not having the law though I am not free from God's law but **AM UNDER CHRIST'S LAW**!!"
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kb2222
Jacksonville, FL
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And isn't it highly likely that a physical temple in Israel will bring blood sacrifice?
What the hell is wrong with you that you still apparently believe that killing a goat or a bull every day or once a year is going to appease God and atone for sin?
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share_n_love
Fort Wayne, IN
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...not to mention Cain & Abel both sacrificed LONG before Moses gave the Law to the people that he received from God.
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freegratis
Irving, TX
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What the hell is wrong with you that you still apparently believe that killing a goat or a bull every day or once a year is going to appease God and atone for sin?
I do not believe that killing a goat or a bull every day or once a year is going to appease God and atone for sin. I believe Hebrews 10 as prophetic774 has posted. kb2222, you should read Hebrews 10:11-18 and focus on the word sacrifice. It is why Jesus was called the Lamb of God by John the Inspired who wrote the Good News in John 1:29 which you reject.
Watch when the temple is rebuilt. If you are alive, I bet you will beg the AntiChrist to stop the blood sacrifice, fulfilling Daniel 9:27.
Don't reject the Word which can save you. Do you know that Jesus is the Word (Capital W)?
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kb2222
Jacksonville, FL
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I do not believe that killing a goat or a bull every day or once a year is going to appease God and atone for sin. I believe Hebrews 10 as prophetic774 has posted. kb2222, you should read Hebrews 10:11-18 and focus on the word sacrifice. It is why Jesus was called the Lamb of God by John the Inspired who wrote the Good News in John 1:29 which you reject.
Watch when the temple is rebuilt. If you are alive, I bet you will beg the AntiChrist to stop the blood sacrifice, fulfilling Daniel 9:27.
Don't reject the Word which can save you. Do you know that Jesus is the Word (Capital W)?
Prophetic like bigd has me blocked because they can't bring themselves to honestly answer my questions. You, however, have answered two of my questions and in answering YES you believe it is just to stone and burn people to death at the stake for all those reasons I have posted many times and you also say you believe that is what Jesus would order man to do...SHOWS ME that you are without a doubt no more a true Christian follower of Jesus than were the murderous Pharisees who rejected and killed Him.
God didn't write the Bible and God/Jesus doesn't order man to kill people for them and if you simply refuse to grasp this you are (in essence) a Anti-Christ, freegratis.
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slowpoke7
Hendersonville, TN
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God didn't write the Bible and God/Jesus doesn't order man to kill people for them and if you simply refuse to grasp this you are (in essence) a Anti-Christ, freegratis.
kb - what about me? Do you consider me as being insane or some kind of Anti-Christ for believing the reason Jesus willingly laid down His life by shedding His blood on the cross was (according to the Bible) for the remission of sin?
By the way - what are you trying to prove by saying God didn't write the Bible? God did not write the Urania Book either. So what is the difference?
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kb2222
Jacksonville, FL
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kb - what about me? Do you consider me as being insane or some kind of Anti-Christ for believing the reason Jesus willingly laid down His life by shedding His blood on the cross was (according to the Bible) for the remission of sin?
Yes, slowpoke, since you bring it up yes I would say you are deceived and/or spiritually insane to believe GOD, our Holy, Righteous and Loving Heavenly Father, a Divine and Perfect Spirit Personality would be so base, illogical and unjust as to demand the horrible death of His own innocent Son as a blood sacrifice to appease His anger and atone for the sin of man before He is willing to forgive man for sin.
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bigd9832
Chicago, IL
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As I understand, King Solomon wrote scripture; had 700 wives and 300 concubines; son of King David whom also took multiple wives; and both wrote scripture.
I understand Solomon's kingdom was divided due to his multiplying of wives and following their foreign gods and not following God's command no to do so. 1 Kings 11
I really don't think he had 300 wives. He protected those woman in his palace. It was King Solomon, David's son, who built the first temple.
Solomon had two sons, Jeroboam and Rehoboam. Like many kingdoms of that time Israel was split, but not in half. 1 Kings 12 is the story of how the Jews came about, and what happened to the rest of Israel.
And isn't it highly likely that a physical temple in Israel will bring blood sacrifice?
Perhaps during the second half. But not likely during the first 3½ years anyway.
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slowpoke7
Hendersonville, TN
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Yes, slowpoke, since you bring it up yes I would say you are deceived and/or spiritually insane to believe GOD, our Holy, Righteous and Loving Heavenly Father, a Divine and Perfect Spirit Personality would be so base, illogical and unjust as to demand the horrible death of His own innocent Son as a blood sacrifice to appease His anger and atone for the sin of man before He is willing to forgive man for sin.
Well kb - it is your choice to believe whatever you want to.
And how come you did not respond to my other question? You have said many times that God did not write the Bible. God did not write the Urania Book either so what is the difference.
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kb2222
Jacksonville, FL
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Well kb - it is your choice to believe whatever you want to.
And how come you did not respond to my other question? You have said many times that God did not write the Bible. God did not write the Urania Book either so what is the difference.
Why don't you tell me why you think you are not insane to believe God is so murderous that he would kill his own son as a blood sacrifice before he will forgive man for sin, slow?
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slowpoke7
Hendersonville, TN
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Why don't you tell me why you think you are not insane to believe God is so murderous that he would kill his own son as a blood sacrifice before he will forgive man for sin, slow?
I have never implied that God murdered Jesus. You are just trying to twist the truth. No one except you is implying such nonsense. Jesus willingly laid down His life of His own freewill, did He not?
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ludlowlowell
Panama City, FL
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Our sins killed Jesus.
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followjesusonly
Kingman, AZ
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Our sins killed Jesus.
You are sick, ludlow. Where does the bible say that? You really need to see a psychiatrist.
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followjesusonly
Kingman, AZ
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Well kb - it is your choice to believe whatever you want to.
And how come you did not respond to my other question? You have said many times that God did not write the Bible. God did not write the Urania Book either so what is the difference.
No one has ever claimed that God wrote The Urantia Book.
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kb2222
Jacksonville, FL
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I have never implied that God murdered Jesus. You are just trying to twist the truth. No one except you is implying such nonsense. Jesus willingly laid down His life of His own freewill, did He not?
Well, God supposedly required/demanded a blood sacrifice before He was willingly to forgive man for sin like some blood thirsty barbarian tyrant, didn't he?
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ludlowlowell
Panama City, FL
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According to some Catholic writers, one drop of Jesus' Blood would have been enough to save 1000 sinful worlds, but Jesus needed to suffer, shed Blood, and die a painful death to show man how horrible sin is. I'm not positive I believe that, but it is good for thought.
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slowpoke7
Hendersonville, TN
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Well, God supposedly required/demanded a blood sacrifice before He was willingly to forgive man for sin like some blood thirsty barbarian tyrant, didn't he?
You are the one claiming that God would be a blood thirsty barbarian tyrant for letting Jesus shed His blood for the remission of sin . No matter what kind of names you want to call God because it does not change the fact that Jesus shed His blood of His own free will.
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kb2222
Jacksonville, FL
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You are a corrupt idiot, Ludlow. Don't you think man was well acquainted with the horror of killing one another for all sorts of reasons?
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followjesusonly
Kingman, AZ
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According to some Catholic writers, one drop of Jesus' Blood would have been enough to save 1000 sinful worlds, but Jesus needed to suffer, shed Blood, and die a painful death to show man how horrible sin is. I'm not positive I believe that, but it is good for thought.
It's grotesque.
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kb2222
Jacksonville, FL
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You are the one claiming that God would be a blood thirsty barbarian tyrant for letting Jesus shed His blood for the remission of sin . No matter what kind of names you want to call God because it does not change the fact that Jesus shed His blood of His own free will.
Because God REQUIRED/DEMANDED a blood sacrifice before He would forgive man for sin. It was Gods plan and God had to have hardened the heart of the Pharisees so that they would reject and kill Jesus if Gods supposedly plan was to be carried out. That makes God some kind of a blood thirsty murderous God and if you believe that's Gods nature you are truly spiritually insane.
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slowpoke7
Hendersonville, TN
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Because God REQUIRED/DEMANDED a blood sacrifice before He would forgive man for sin. It was Gods plan and God had to have hardened the heart of the Pharisees so that they would reject and kill Jesus if Gods supposedly plan was to be carried out. That makes God some kind of a blood thirsty murderous God and if you believe that's Gods nature you are truly spiritually insane.
No - Why would God have to hardened the heart of the Pharisees? Surely an all knowing God would have known that the evil Pharisees of their own freewill had already made plans to kill Jesus.
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cupocheer
Assumption, IL
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The OT reveals the death of Jesus before his coming.
Isaiah scripture even describes his earthly appearance and demeanor.
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kb2222
Jacksonville, FL
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No - Why would God have to hardened the heart of the Pharisees? Surely an all knowing God would have known that the evil Pharisees of their own freewill had already made plans to kill Jesus.
Doesn't matter, the FACT is God supposedly REQUIRED/DEMANDED a blood sacrifice before He would forgive man for sin. That is God wanted man to sin (kill Jesus) in order to atone for sin. Absolutely absurd.
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prophetic774
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WHAT WILL TAKE PLACE DURING THE COMING 1260-DAY GREAT TRIBULATION??
According to the prophecies in God's inspired Word there will be a 1260-day Great Tribulation and on the Last Day of this Great Tribulation Jesus will come and resurrect God's saints and then they will enjoy the New Heavens and the New Earth and the Heavenly New Jerusalem as per Rev 21:1-5. At the beginning of this 1260-day Great Tribulation 666 and his False Prophet, with the help of many miracles, will rule every Nation in the world from the evil city on 7 hills or Rome. They will decree that no one on earth will be able to buy or sell anything unless that have the name of 666 or the number of his name on their right hand or forehead.
But God will take care of all the needs of God's saints in the wilderness just as He took care of Israel for 40 years in the wilderness. 3 1/2 days before the start of the 1260-day Great Tribulation God's 2 witnesses Moses and Elijah will come to earth and warn God's saints of the coming of 666. This is the next prophetic event that God's true saints should be looking for.
Any prophecies that ADD or TAKE WORDS AWAY from these prophecies is an unpardonable sin as per as per Revelation 22:16-19. Such as Louie's ridiculous prophecy in September 2014 which didn't take place or any other prophecies which disagree with the book of Revelation.
During this 1260-day Great tribulation all of the New Covenant commands of Jesus will still be in force such as Matthew 6:31-34 where Jesus commands, "So do not worry, saying, 'What shall we eat?' or 'What shall we drink?' or 'What shall we wear?' For the pagans {Like Louie} run after all these things, and your heavenly father knows that you need them. But seek first His kingdom and His righteousness, and all these things will be given to you as well. Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own!!"
Matthew 28: 18-20: Jesus says, "All authority in heaven and **ON EARTH** has been given to Me!! {not some pope} Therefore go and make disciples of all nations... teaching them to obey **EVERYTHING** I have commanded you. And surely I am with you **ALWAYS**, to the very **END** of the age!"
Matthew 24:9-12: Jesus says, "Then (During the 1260-day Tribulation} you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by **ALL NATIONS** because of Me. At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, and many false prophets will appear {Like Louie} and deceive many people. Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, but he who stands firm to the end will be saved!!"
NOTE: 666 is called the "Beast" 36 {6X6} times in the book of Revelation.
Revelation 13:5-8; 16-18: The beast will be given to exercise his authority for 42 {30-day) months {Or 1260 days}.. Hew will be given power to make war against the saints and to conquer them. And he will be given authority over **EVERY** tribe, people, language and nation. All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast--all whose names have not been written in the Book of Life belonging to the LAMB who was slain.....He {The False Prophet} will force everyone.. to receive a mark on his right hand or forehead, so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of his name{666}{Which is an unpardonable sin as per Rev 14:9-11}. This calls for wisdom, If anyone has insight, let him calculate the number of the beast, for it is a man's number. His number is 666!
Revelation 22:16,18,19: "I, Jesus, have sent My angel to give you this prophecy for the churches... I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book. If anyone **ADDS* {Like Louie} anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book. And if anyone **TAKES WORDS AWAY**{Like Louie} from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the Tree of Life and in the Holy City {The New Jerusalem} which are described in this book!"
  
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kb2222
Jacksonville, FL
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Prophetic774, if you claim to be a Christian why do always run and hide and never answer my question?
Do you believe Jesus would order man to stone and burn people to death at the stake for these reasons, prophetic?
Kill People Who Don't Listen to Priests (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)
Kill Witches (Exodus 22:17 NAB)
Kill Homosexuals (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)
Kill Fortunetellers (Leviticus 20:27 NAB)
Death for Hitting Dad (Exodus 21:15 NAB)
Death for Cursing Parents (Proverbs 20:20 NAB, Leviticus 20:9 NLT)
Death for Adultery (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)
Death for Fornication (Leviticus 21:9 NAB)
Death to Followers of Other Religions (Exodus 22:19 NAB)
Kill Nonbelievers (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)
Kill False Prophets (Zechariah 13:3 NAB)
Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God (Deuteronomy 13:13-18 NLT)
Kill Women Who Are Not Virgins On Their Wedding Night (Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB)
Kill Followers of Other Religions. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB, Deuteronomy 17:2-5 NLT)
Death for Blasphemy (Leviticus 24:10-16 NLT)
Kill False Prophets (Deuteronomy 13:1-5 NLT, Deuteronomy 18:20-22 NLT)
Infidels and Gays Should Die (Romans 1:24-32 NLT)
Kill Anyone who Approaches the Tabernacle (Numbers 1:48-51 NLT)
Kill People for Working on the Sabbath (Exodus 31:12-15 NLT)
Kill Sons of Sinners (Isaiah 14:21 NAB)
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prophetic774
Winter Haven, FL
66, joined Feb. 2011
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Quote from Ludlowlowell:
"The Catholic Church is the New Jerusalem?????"
WE ARE ALL WAITING FOR THE NEW EARTH, THE NEW HEAVENS AND THE **HEAVENLY** NEW JERUSALEM!!
Revelation 21:1-5: Then I saw a New heaven and a New Earth, for the {present} first heaven and first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. I saw the Holy City, the **NEW JERUSALEM**, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband. And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, "Now the dwelling of God is with men, and He will live with them. They will be His people, and God Himself will be with them. They will be His people, and God Himself will be with them and be their God. He will wipe every tear from their eyes, There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away." He who was seated on the throne said, "I am making **EVERYTHING NEW**!" Then He said, "Write this down, for these words are TRUSTWORTHY and TRUE!"
2 Peter 3:10-13: But the Day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will DISAPPEAR with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and *EVERYTHING* in it will be burned up {NIV}. Since everything will be destroyed in this way, what kind what kind of people ought you to be? You ought to live holy and godly lives as you wait eagerly for the Day of God to come. {NIV} That Day will bring about the destruction of the heavens by fire, and the elements will melt in the heat. But in keeping with His promise **WE** {Excluding the Preterists and the RC church} are looking forward to a New heavens and a New Earth, the home of righteousness.
Hebrews 11:13-16: All these people {Abraham, Sarah Isaac, Jacob, Noah etc} were still living by faith when they died. They did not receive the things promised; they only saw them from a distance. And they admitted that they were aliens and strangers on earth. People who say such things show they are looking for a country of their own. If they had been thinking of the country they had left, they would have had opportunity to return. Instead, they were looking for a BETTER COUNTRY--a HEAVENLY ONE. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for he has prepared a *CITY* (The *NEW JERUSALEM*} for them!!
Galatians 4:25,26: Now Hagar stands for Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present city of Jerusalem, because she is in slavery with her children. But the **JERUSALEM** that is **ABOVE** is free, and she is our MOTHER !!
Revelation 22:16,18,19: "I, Jesus, have sent My angel to give you this testimony for the churches.....I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this Book: If anyone **ADDS**{Like the RC Church} anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book {Including eternal hell}. And if anyone **TAKES WORDS AWAY** {Like the Preterists and the RC church} from this book of prophecy, God will take away his share in the Tree of Life and in the Holy City {The **NEW JERUSALEM**}, which are described in this Book.!!"
The New Jerusalem is described in Revelation 21:9 to Revelation 22:5. The New Jerusalem will be 12,000 stadia {which is about 1377 miles} long, high and wide as per Revelation 21:16. A stadia is 606 feet long which is the exact same length as the ancient Greek stadium. 606 feet times 12,000 equals 7,272,000 feet which is 1377 miles plus 1,440 feet. A mile is exactly 5,280 feet. {1377 times 5,280 feet equal 7,270,560 feet.} And so the New Jerusalem will be exactly 1377 miles plus 1,440 feet long, wide and high!!
Revelation 21:9-12,15-16,19,23,27; Revelation 22:1-6: The angel said to John, “Come, I will show you the Bride the Wife of the Lamb.” And he carried me away in the Spirit to a mountain great and high, and showed me the Holy City, Jerusalem, coming down out of Heaven from from God It shone like the glory of God, and its brilliance was like that of a very precious jewel. It had a great high wall {1377 miles HIGH!} with 12 gates, and with 12 angels at the gates.
The angel who talked with me had a measuring rod of gold to measure the City and its walls. The City was laid out as a square, as long as it was wide. He measured the City with the rod and found it to be 12,000 stadia in length, and as wide and Heaven from God. It shone with the glory of God, and its brilliance was like that of a very precious jewel clear as crystal. It had a great high wall {1377 miles plus 1,440 feet high} with 12 gates and with 12 angels at the gates...... The angel who talked with me had a measuring rod of gold to measure the City, its gates and its walls. The City was laid out like a square, as long as it was wide. He measured the City with the rod and found it to be 12,000 stadia {606 feet} in length, and as wide and high as it is long. {1377 miles plus 1,440 feet long, wide and high} The wall was made of Jasper, and the City of pure gold, as pure as glass. The foundations of the city walls were decorated with every kind of precious stone....... The great street of the City was of pure gold, like transparent glass...... Only those written in the Lamb's Book of Life will be able to enter the New Jerusalem!
Revelation 22:1-6: Then the angel showed me the river of the Water of Life, as clear as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and the Lamb {Jesus} down the middle of the great street of the City. On each side of the river stood the Tree of Life, bearing 12 crops of fruit, yielding its fruit every month... The throne of God and of the Lamb will be in the City, and his servants will serve Him. They will see His face and His name will be on their foreheads. There will be no more night!! They will not need the light of the lamp or the light of the sun, for the Lord God will give them light. And they will reign for ever and ever. The angel said to me, “These words are TRUSTWORTHY and TRUE!!”
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bigd9832
Chicago, IL
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Quote from ludlowlowell... According to some Catholic writers, one drop of Jesus' Blood would have been enough to save 1000 sinful worlds, but Jesus needed to suffer, shed Blood, and die a painful death to show man how horrible sin is. I'm not positive I believe that, but it is good for thought.
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If there was a list of all the really stupid things you have said, this would have to be near the top, ludlow.
And why would you post something that you yourself do not believe?
The Catholic church lies.
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share_n_love
Fort Wayne, IN
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No - Why would God have to hardened the heart of the Pharisees? Surely an all knowing God would have known that the evil Pharisees of their own freewill had already made plans to kill Jesus.
To bring about His purpose and His glory at His appointed time, just as He did to Pharaoh:
Ex 9:16,
"But for this purpose I have raised you up, to show you my power, so that my name may be proclaimed in all the earth."
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share_n_love
Fort Wayne, IN
61, joined Dec. 2012
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Our sins killed Jesus.
No...YHVH God's LOVE for His creation caused the crucifying of Yahshua necessary.
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ludlowlowell
Panama City, FL
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You are right on this one, Share. I don't see how my statement contradicts yours---yes, our sins caused Jesus' death, and yes, Jesus died freely, out of love for us.
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followjesusonly
Kingman, AZ
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You are right on this one, Share. I don't see how my statement contradicts yours---yes, our sins caused Jesus' death, and yes, Jesus died freely, out of love for us.
She just said "No," and you still twisted it around to fit your agenda/indoctrination.
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prophetic774
Winter Haven, FL
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CAN A NT BELIEVER LOSE HIS SALVATION?? WHAT DOES GOD'S WORD SAY???
Romans 8;29-33,35,38,39: For those God foreknew He also predestined to be conformed to the likeness of His Son...And those He **PREDESTINED** He also called; those He called , He also justified; those He **JUSTIFIED** He also **GLORIFIED**. What shall we say in response to this? If God is for us, who can be against us? He who did not spare His Son but gave Him up for us all--how will He not also give us all things? Who will bring any charge against **THOSE WHOM GOD HAS CHOSEN**? It is God who justifies. Who is he who condemns... Who shall separate us from the love of Christ?... For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels or demons, neither the present or the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord!!
Romans 4:7,8: Blessed are they whose transgressions are forgiven, whose sins are covered. Blessed is the man whose sin the Lord will **NEVER** count against him!"
John 6:37,39,44,65: Jesus says, "All that the Father gives Me **WILL** come to Me, and whoever comes to Me I will **NEVER** drive away...And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that I shall **LOSE NONE** of all that He has given Me, but raise them up at the Last Day... No one can come to Me **UNLESS** the Father who sent Me draws him, and I will raise them up at the Last Day!... No one can come to Me **UNLESS** the Father has **ENABLED** them!!"
Hebrews 10:11-18: Day after day every priest performs his religious duties again and again he offers the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins. But when this Priest had offered for all time **ONE SACRIFICE FOR SINS**, He sat down at the right hand of God... Because by **ONE SACRIFICE** He has made ***PERFECT FOREVER*** those who are being made holy. The Holy Spirit also testifies to us about this. First he says: "This is the covenant I will make with them after that time says the Lord. I will put My laws in their hearts, and I will write them on their minds." The he adds" Their sins and lawless acts I will remember **NO MORE**." And when these have been forgiven, there is **NO LONGER** any sacrifice for sin!!
"WE ARE SAVED BY FAITH WHICH IS THE FREE GIFT OF GOD--NOT BY WORKS SO THAT NO ONE CAN BOAST!!"
Titus 3:3,4: At one time we too were foolish, disobedient, deceived and enslaved by all kinds of passions and pleasures. We lived in malice and envy, being hated and hating one another. But when the kindness and **LOVE** of God our Savior appeared , he saved us, **NOT BECAUSE OF RIGHTEOUS THINGS WE HAD DONE**, but because of **HIS MERCY**!!
Romans 11:5,6: At the present time there is a remnant **CHOSEN BY GRACE**! And if by grace it is **NO LONGER BY WORKS**; if it were, grace would no longer be grace!!
Romans 9:30-32: What then shall we say? That the Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, have obtained it, a righteousness that is **BY FAITH**; but Israel, who pursued a law of righteousness, has not attained it Why not? Because they pursued it **NOT BY FAITH** but as it were by works!!
Romans 4:5-8: To the man who does not work but trusts God who justifies the wicked, **HIS FAITH** is credited as righteousness. David says the same thing when he speaks of the blessedness of the man to whom God credits righteousness **APART FROM WORKS**: "Blessed are they whose transgressions are forgiven, whose sins are covered. Blessed is the man whose sin the Lord will **NEVER COUNT AGAINST HIM**!!" {Psalm 32:1,2}
Ephesians 1:5-8: In love He predestined us to be adopted as His sons through Jesus Christ, in accordance with His pleasure and will--to the praise of His **GLORIOUS GRACE**, which He has freely given us in the One He loves. In Him we have **REDEMPTION THROUGH HIS BLOOD**, the **FORGIVENESS OF SINS**, in accordance with the riches of God's grace that He lavished on us with all wisdom and understanding!
Ephesians 2:4-10: Because of His great love for us, God,, who is rich in mercy, made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions--it is **BY GRACE** you have been saved! And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with Him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus, in order that in the coming ages He might show the incomparable riches of His grace, expressed in His kindness to us in Christ Jesus. For it is **BY GRACE** you have been saved, through faith-- and this **NOT FROM YOURSELVES**, it is the **GIFT** of God--**NOT BY WORKS**, so that no one can boast. For we are God's workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do!!
John 3:3: Jesus says, I tell you the Truth, no one can see the Kingdom of God **UNLESS HE IS BORN AGAIN!!"
John 1:12,13: To all who received Him, to those who believed in His name, he gave the right to become children of God--children born not of natural descent, **NOR OF A HUMAN DECISION** or a husband's will but, **BORN OF GOD**!!
Everyone agrees that "**FAITH** without **GOOD WORKS ** is dead!" as per James 2:17. However, the reason that God's born again from above saints do good works is **NOT TO BE SAVED** but to bring **MUCH PRAISE** to our Father and Jesus Christ and to gain countless **ETERNAL REWARDS** for faithful and loving service.
Matthew 5:16: Jesus says, "Let your light shine before men, that they may see your good deeds and **PRAISE YOUR FATHER IN HEAVEN**!!"
Matthew 16:27: Jesus says, “The Son of Man is going to come in His Father's glory with His angels and THEN He will **REWARD** each person according to what he has done!”
2 Corinthians 5:9,10: We make it our goal to please Him... for we must all appear before the Judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive **WHAT IS DUE HIM** for the things done while in the body, whether good or bad.
1 Corinthians 3:13-15: His work will be shown for what it is, because the Day will bring it to light. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each man's work. If what he has built survives , he will receive his **REWARD**. If it is burned up he will suffer loss; he himself will be saved, but only as one escaping through the flames.
Colossians 3:23-25: Whatever you do, work at it with all your heart, as working for the Lord, not for men, since you know that you will receive an inheritance from the Lord as a **REWARD**. It is the Lord Christ you are serving. Anyone who does wrong will be repaid for his wrong, and there is no favoritism.
And so those who are not predestined, chosen, justified and born again from above will fall away as shown by the parable of the good and bad seeds in Matthew 13:18-25!!
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kb2222
Jacksonville, FL
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Prophetic774, if you claim to be a Christian why do always run and hide and never answer my question?
Do you believe Jesus would order man to stone and burn people to death at the stake for all those reasons I have many times posted, prophetic?
Why do you blanket post the forum and then run and hide, prophetic?
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indianadave1951
Mishawaka, IN
66, joined Dec. 2010
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Sacrificing was done LONG before Moses was ever in the picture. Abraham was a Gentile who lived in the City of Chaldea in the land of Ur until he was called out of Ur, and then he became a Hebrew...one of the nomadic Tribes that wandered the areas.
P.S. There is NO Law of Moses. God gave ALL the Law.
In both the old and new testament the phrase "Law of Moses" is used repeatedly. Obviously any covenant that was established was established by God. However most of the prophets and even Jesus used the phrase "Law of Moses" so that when being discussed everyone would understand what was being discussed. It was a phrase used to describe the covenant given to Moses containing the ten commandments and the Liturgical Law for the tabernacle.
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share_n_love
Fort Wayne, IN
61, joined Dec. 2012
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You are right on this one, Share. I don't see how my statement contradicts yours---yes, our sins caused Jesus' death, and yes, Jesus died freely, out of love for us.
No...our sins did NOT CAUSE His death....God's love for us created HIs death [for salvation].
There is a grave difference, and not to mention by saying it your way you are taking God's glory.
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share_n_love
Fort Wayne, IN
61, joined Dec. 2012
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In both the old and new testament the phrase "Law of Moses" is used repeatedly. Obviously any covenant that was established was established by God. However most of the prophets and even Jesus used the phrase "Law of Moses" so that when being discussed everyone would understand what was being discussed. It was a phrase used to describe the covenant given to Moses containing the ten commandments and the Liturgical Law for the tabernacle.
Yes it is called that but they are in no way Moses Law.
Yahshua fulfilled the Jealousy Law found in Numbers 5 in order for God to remarry [redeem] the House of Israel and seal them in the Day of Redemption after He divorced them. His own Law says one [in this case God] cannot remarry a woman [in this case the Church] whom they have divorced because of adultery, and this is the reason God divorced the House of Israel because of their adultery with other gods. It's all in His word.
All God's Laws stand except for the sacrificial part of them for which the Jealousy Law apply's.
The 10 Commandments are the 10 categories His 613 Laws fit into; they are not 10 individual Laws.
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slowpoke7
Hendersonville, TN
76, joined Feb. 2011
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No...our sins did NOT CAUSE His death....God's love for us created HIs death ( for salvation ).
 
 Behold The Lamb Of God, Which Taketh Away The Sin Of The World.
 
 Praise The Lord
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kb2222
Jacksonville, FL
76, joined Apr. 2011
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Quote from slowpoke7:
No - Why would God have to hardened the heart of the Pharisees? Surely an all knowing God would have known that the evil Pharisees of their own freewill had already made plans to kill Jesus.
Doesn't matter, the FACT is God supposedly REQUIRED/DEMANDED a blood sacrifice before He would forgive man for sin. That is God wanted man to sin (kill Jesus) in order to atone for sin. Absolutely absurd.
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slowpoke7
Hendersonville, TN
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kb - isn’t it great that Jesus loved people like you and I so much, for Him to do the will of the Father when He willingly laid down His life and shed His precious blood for sinners like us?
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followjesusonly
Kingman, AZ
74, joined May. 2012
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kb - isn’t it great that Jesus loved people like you and I so much, for Him to do the will of the Father when He willingly laid down His life and shed His precious blood for sinners like us?
You're half right, Slow. Jesus willingly laid down His life to do the Father's will, but it wasn't to shed His precious blood for sinners like us, it was to bear witness unto the truth, as Jesus said at John 18:37.
“To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth.” (John 18:37)
Not hard to understand if one wants to understand it.
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kb2222
Jacksonville, FL
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Slowpoke, you obviously can't the truth of my post and can't refute it so you make a post that shows how you have warped your mind to accommodate church doctrine. Why the Hell do you think a Holy, Divine, Perfect, Loving God would demand a blood sacrifice before he was willing to forgive man for sin, slowpoke? To believe God wanted man to sin by killing Jesus in order to atone for sin is absolutely ludicrous. You warped minded church indoctrinated book Christians just can't accept that God is not a blood thirsty illogical murderous God even after Jesus came and "bared witness unto the truth."
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freegratis
Irving, TX
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It is amazing that not only does Jesus lay His life down for the sheep, and that the fruit of the vine is a remembrance of His blood in the new covenant Matthew 26:27 and following "Drink of it all, for this is My blood of the new covenant, that is shed for many for the pardon of sins.", but a schism came because of His words. They said He was mad (i.e crazy, insane), like those here who don't believe God's plan of salvation/.
John 10:17-21 Therefore the Father is loving Me, seeing that I am laying down My soul that I may be getting it again." No one is taking it away from Me, but I am laying it down of Myself. I have the right to lay it down, and I have the right to get it again. This precept I got from My Father." A schism came again among the Jews because of these words. Now many of them said, "A demon has he, and is mad. Why are you hearing him? 21 Yet others said, "These declarations are not those of a demoniac. No demon can open the eyes of the blind!"
Why would our sins be as scarlet? CLV says double dipped scarlet:
Isaiah 1:18 Go, pray and it shall be corrected,saying is Yahweh. "If your sins are coming to be as double dipped scarlet, as snow shall they be white. If they are reddened as crimson, as wool shall they become."
The solution for you Urantians, and all of us actually, is to go pray and beg God to forgive us.
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followjesusonly
Kingman, AZ
74, joined May. 2012
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It is amazing that not only does Jesus lay His life down for the sheep, and that the fruit of the vine is a remembrance of His blood in the new covenant Matthew 26:27 and following "Drink of it all, for this is My blood of the new covenant, that is shed for many for the pardon of sins.", but a schism came because of His words. They said He was mad (i.e crazy, insane), like those here who don't believe God's plan of salvation/.
I fully believe God's plan of salvation," free. I just don't believe what YOU say is God's plan of salvation. THIS is "God's plan of salvation," free. Study it carefully. This is all there is. This is all you need to know. Throw the rest out:
...Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life? (Luke 10:25)
"Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbor as thyself." (Luke 10:27)
The solution for all of us actually, is to love the Lord our God with all our heart, and with all our soul, and with all our strength, and with all our mind; and our neighbor as ourself.
And Jesus said: "this do, and thou shalt live."
I hope you can make the leap of faith from the confusion you've been taught to the pure, simple, statement of Jesus above concerning God's plan of salvation.
This is not a Urantia Book issue. It's in the bible.
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kb2222
Jacksonville, FL
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What do you know Freegratis? You believe it is just to stone and burn people to death at the stake for all those reasons I have many times posted and you believe that is what Jesus would order man to do. So you are no more a Christian than were the Pharisees who rejected and killed Jesus. In fact, considering the time we now live in 2,000 years after Jesus for you to assert its just to kill people for all those reasons clearly shows you are morally and spiritually corrupt/insane.
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freegratis
Irving, TX
50, joined Dec. 2011
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I fully believe God's plan of salvation," free. I just don't believe what YOU say is God's plan of salvation. THIS is "God's plan of salvation," free. Study it carefully. This is all there is. This is all you need to know. Throw the rest out:
...Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life? (Luke 10:25)
"Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbor as thyself." (Luke 10:27)
The solution for all of us actually, is to love the Lord our God with all our heart, and with all our soul, and with all our strength, and with all our mind; and our neighbor as ourself.
And Jesus said: "this do, and thou shalt live."
I hope you can make the leap of faith from the confusion you've been taught to the pure, simple, statement of Jesus above concerning God's plan of salvation.
This is not a Urantia Book issue. It's in the bible.
Sure, just do it perfectly and you can claim your wage from God. Fall below that 100% perfection and then ... sorry.
Do you believe Luke, the companion of Paul? Some here don't, so I was quoting John 6:29 in the other thread. If you are perfect, you don't need John 6:29, so you UB guys just need to be perfect and do what was said in Luke, perfectly.
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freegratis
Irving, TX
50, joined Dec. 2011
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Throw the rest out:
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This is not a Urantia Book issue. It's in the bible.
You may want to read Revelation 22:19
And if ever anyone should be eliminating from the words of the scroll of this prophecy, God shall be eliminating his part from the log of life, and out of the holy city, that is written in this scroll.
Oh and the folly of so-called Gabriel of Urantia who does not even know whart a saint is:
Rev 22:21 The grace of the Lord Jesus be with all the saints! Amen!
You UB guys with a bad experience in the Catholic church don't know what a saint is.
By the way, you dismissed what Jesus said in John 10:17-21 It's not an insane/mad concept, this thing about blood in the bible. I didn't say it, John the inspired by the Holy Spirit did.
Face the blood and stop acting like your name is followURANTIAonly.
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followjesusonly
Kingman, AZ
74, joined May. 2012
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Sure, just do it perfectly and you can claim your wage from God. Fall below that 100% perfection and then ... sorry.
Do you believe Luke, the companion of Paul? Some here don't, so I was quoting John 6:29 in the other thread. If you are perfect, you don't need John 6:29, so you UB guys just need to be perfect and do what was said in Luke, perfectly.
You're the one, not Jesus, adding to the scripture saying we need to do this or that "perfectly" or it doesn't count. What you're saying is that Jesus told us to do something that we can't do and that we shouldn't even bother to do because we can't do it perfectly, according to you. But Jesus doesn't say that.
I don't believe Jesus was playing any games like that telling us to do something that He knew we couldn't do. That would be a very deceptive game for God's Son to play with a sincere questioner.
As to whether or not I "believe" Luke, the companion of Paul, I am a follower of Jesus. Period. You can follow Luke and Paul and John and George and Ringo and pray to Mary and other dead people and call priests, "Father" and bow down in front of statues if you like. I don't care. I follow Jesus only. And Jesus says you will be saved and go to Heaven if you "...love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbor as thyself."
You can believe your version of "God's plan of salvation" and I'll believe Jesus' plan. And Jesus doesn't say it needs to be "perfect." That's YOU saying it, adding to the scriptures.
...Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life? (Luke 10:25)
"Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbor as thyself." (Luke 10:27)
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freegratis
Irving, TX
50, joined Dec. 2011
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What do you know kb2222?
You have a problem with Deuteronomy, Exodus, Leviticus, Proverbs, 2 Chronicles, Zechariah, Romans, Numbers, and Isaiah.
You really need to get back to Genesis, but then you will add Genesis to your list due to Genesis 2:17.
I understand your need for proof to trust Genesis. Check out this site icr dot org
I pray for you kb2222.
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