Who Opposes Blood Sacrifice?

What a sick, twisted philosophy that is. I don't even think it's catholic. It's ludlowism.

9/12/2016 10:06:44 AM	Who Opposes Blood Sacrifice?
freegratis Irving, TX 50, joined Dec. 2011	When the temple is rebuilt soon in Israel and they resume blood sacrifice as commanded by the God of the bible, will you, your Urantia brethren, People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA), and the like, stand with the AntiChrist and call for the end to sacrifice as prophesied by Daniel? Daniel 9:27 Then he will be master of a covenant with many for one seven:At half of the seven, he will cause to cease the sacrifice and the approach present; on a wing of the sanctuary shall be desolating abominations. Till the conclusion of the era the decided conclusion will be poured forth on the desolation. http://lmgtfy.com/?q=%22The+End+is+Near%22+images Meet singles at DateHookup.dating, we're 100% free! Join now!
9/12/2016 12:05:55 PM	Who Opposes Blood Sacrifice?
kb2222 Jacksonville, FL 76, joined Apr. 2011	The book of Daniel was written between 686-586 BC when primitive and superstitious man believed earthquakes, famines, and all other kinds of calamities were caused by angry Gods that needed to be appeased by a blood sacrifice. You don't really think killing a goat once a year is going to appease God or atone for your sins, do you? You aught to reexamined why you have subordinated your mind and thus the progress of your soul to church doctrine about the book they compiled. Jesus didn't believe like those who killed Him and neither should you if you profess to be a Christian.
9/12/2016 12:52:07 PM	Who Opposes Blood Sacrifice?
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 64, joined Feb. 2008	God commanded the ancient Israelites to make animal sacrifices for one reason and one reason only---that these sacrifices serve as a prefigure of the sacrifice of Jesus in the cross that was to come.
9/12/2016 1:03:27 PM	Who Opposes Blood Sacrifice?
kb2222 Jacksonville, FL 76, joined Apr. 2011	Quote from ludlowlowell: God commanded the ancient Israelites to make animal sacrifices for one reason and one reason only---that these sacrifices serve as a prefigure of the sacrifice of Jesus in the cross that was to come. That's what your self-serving church says not God. Show me where God said that, Ludlow. And explain why you think God would want untold animals slaughtered as a blood sacrifice for centuries in order to "prefigure" Jesus?
9/12/2016 1:47:32 PM	Who Opposes Blood Sacrifice?
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 64, joined Feb. 2008	The Catholic Church, the Church founded by Christ, says so. That ought to be good enough.
9/12/2016 1:59:38 PM	Who Opposes Blood Sacrifice?
kb2222 Jacksonville, FL 76, joined Apr. 2011	Quote from ludlowlowell: The Catholic Church, the Church founded by Christ, says so. That ought to be good enough. Jesus didn't found the Catholic church. The Catholic church didn't exist in Jesus' day and Peter was not its first pope and the popes of the Catholic church are not infallible. You are full of lies, Ludlow. Its clear the Catholic church has deceived you into being a deceiver for them. You didn't explain why you think God would want untold animals slaughtered as a blood sacrifice for centuries in order to "prefigure" Jesus, Ludlow. Why is that? You can't think of another outright lie to tell? [Edited 9/12/2016 2:00:58 PM ]
9/12/2016 2:18:17 PM	Who Opposes Blood Sacrifice?
followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 74, joined May. 2012	Quote from freegratis: When the temple is rebuilt soon in Israel and they resume blood sacrifice as commanded by the God of the bible, will you, your Urantia brethren, People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA), and the like, stand with the AntiChrist and call for the end to sacrifice as prophesied by Daniel? Daniel 9:27 Then he will be master of a covenant with many for one seven:At half of the seven, he will cause to cease the sacrifice and the approach present; on a wing of the sanctuary shall be desolating abominations. Till the conclusion of the era the decided conclusion will be poured forth on the desolation. http://lmgtfy.com/?q=%22The+End+is+Near%22+images This is one of the stupidest threads I've ever seen. And why don't you learn how to post images? God didn't command any such thing in the bible. That's just what the Heebs wrote down. The bible is not literally "God's Word," except for God's real words in red, as said by Jesus. The OT (Tanach) was written by Jews, for Jews. It's not a Christian document. I am not a Jew. The OT has no more to do with me, than the Buddhist scriptures or the Koran. The book of Daniel has nothing to do with me. Jerusalem and probably the Vatican too, will most likely be nuclear wastelands before any animal sacrificing ever resumes in Israel.
9/12/2016 2:31:25 PM	Who Opposes Blood Sacrifice?
followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 74, joined May. 2012	Quote from ludlowlowell: The Catholic Church, the Church founded by Christ, says so. That ought to be good enough. But it ain't good enough. We're over your church and your arrogance and your imperiousness. Completely over it. Your church is irrelevant.
9/12/2016 2:32:30 PM	Who Opposes Blood Sacrifice?
followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 74, joined May. 2012	Quote from ludlowlowell: God commanded the ancient Israelites to make animal sacrifices for one reason and one reason only---that these sacrifices serve as a prefigure of the sacrifice of Jesus in the cross that was to come. He did not. You blaspheme God.
9/12/2016 2:36:52 PM	Who Opposes Blood Sacrifice?
followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 74, joined May. 2012	Quote from ludlowlowell: The Catholic Church, the Church founded by Christ, says so. That ought to be good enough. Translation: The Catholic Church, the Church I say was founded by Christ, says so. And I say that ought to be good enough.
9/12/2016 2:51:31 PM	Who Opposes Blood Sacrifice?
share_n_love Fort Wayne, IN 61, joined Dec. 2012	Daniel 9:27 explanation... 27. he shall confirm the covenant--Christ. The confirmation of the covenant is assigned to Him also elsewhere. Isaiah 42:6 , "I will give thee for a covenant of the people" (that is, He in whom the covenant between Israel and God is personally expressed); compare Luke 22:20 , "The new testament in My blood"; Malachi 3:1 , "the angel of the covenant"; Jeremiah 31:31-34 , describes the Messianic covenant in full. Contrast Daniel 11:30 Daniel 11:32 , "forsake the covenant," "do wickedly against the covenant." The prophecy as to Messiah's confirming the covenant with many would comfort the faithful in Antiochus' times, who suffered partly from persecuting enemies, partly from false friends ( Daniel 11:33-35 ). Hence arises the similarity of the language here and in Daniel 11:30 Daniel 11:32 , referring to Antiochus, the type of Antichrist. with many--( Isaiah 53:11 , Matthew 20:28 , 26:28 , Romans 5:15 Romans 5:19 , Hebrews 9:28 ). in . . . midst of . . . week--The seventy weeks extend to A.D. 33. Israel was not actually destroyed till A.D. 79, but it was so virtually, A.D. 33, about three or four years after Christ's death, during which the Gospel was preached exclusively to the Jews. When the Jews persecuted the Church and stoned Stephen ( Acts 7:54-60 ), the respite of grace granted to them was at an end ( Luke 13:7-9 ). Israel, having rejected Christ, was rejected by Christ, and henceforth is counted dead (compare Genesis 2:17 with Genesis 5:5 , Hosea 13:1 Hosea 13:2 ), its actual destruction by Titus being the consummation of the removal of the kingdom of God from Israel to the Gentiles ( Matthew 21:43 ), which is not to be restored until Christ's second coming, when Israel shall be at the head of humanity ( Matthew 23:39 , Acts 1:6 Acts 1:7 , Romans 11:25-31 Romans 11:15 ). The interval forms for the covenant-people a great parenthesis. he shall cause the sacrifice . . . oblation to cease--distinct from the temporary "taking away" of "the daily" (sacrifice) by Antiochus ( Daniel 8:11 , 11:31 ). Messiah was to cause all sacrifices and oblations in general to "cease" utterly. There is here an allusion only to Antiochus' act; to comfort God's people when sacrificial worship was to be trodden down, by pointing them to the Messianic time when salvation would fully come and yet temple sacrifices cease. This is the same consolation as Jeremiah and Ezekiel gave under like circumstances, when the destruction of Jerusalem by Nebuchadnezzar was impending ( Jeremiah 3:16 , 31:31 , Ezekiel 11:19 ). Jesus died in the middle of the last week, A.D. 30. His prophetic life lasted three and a half years; the very time in which "the saints are given into the hand" of Antichrist ( Daniel 7:25 ). Three and a half does not, like ten, designate the power of the world in its fulness, but (while opposed to the divine, expressed by seven) broken and defeated in its seeming triumph; for immediately after the three and a half times, judgment falls on the victorious world powers ( Daniel 7:25 Daniel 7:26 ). So Jesus' death seemed the triumph of the world, but was really its defeat ( John 12:31 ). The rending of the veil marked the cessation of sacrifices through Christ's death ( Leviticus 4:6 Leviticus 4:17 , Leviticus 16:2 Leviticus 16:15 , Hebrews 10:14-18 ). There cannot be a covenant without sacrifice ( Genesis 8:20 , 9:17 , 15:9 , &c. Hebrews 9:15 ). Here the old covenant is to be confirmed, but in a way peculiar to the New Testament, namely, by the one sacrifice, which would terminate all sacrifices ( Psalms 40:6 Psalms 40:11 ). Thus as the Levitical rites approached their end, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, and Daniel, with ever increasing clearness, oppose the spiritual new covenant to the transient earthly elements of the old. for the overspreading of abominations--On account of the abominations committed by the unholy people against the Holy One, He shall not only destroy the city and sanctuary ( Daniel 9:25 ), but shall continue its desolation until the time of the consummation "determined" by God (the phrase is quoted from Isaiah 10:22 Isaiah 10:23 ), when at last the world power shall be judged and dominion be given to the saints of the Most High ( Daniel 7:26 Daniel 7:27 ). AUBERLEN translates, "On account of the desolating summit of abominations (compare Daniel 11:31 , 12:11 ; thus the repetition of the same thing as in Daniel 9:26 is avoided), and till the consummation which is determined, it (the curse, Daniel 9:11 , foretold by Moses) will pour on the desolated." Israel reached the summit of abominations, which drew down desolation ( Matthew 24:28 ), nay, which is the desolation itself, when, after murdering Messiah, they offered sacrifices, Mosaic indeed in form, but heathenish in spirit (compare Isaiah 1:13 , Ezekiel 5:11 ). Christ refers to this passage ( Matthew 24:15 ), "When ye see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place" (the latter words being tacitly implied in "abominations" as being such as are committed against the sanctuary). TREGELLES translates, "upon the wing of abominations shall be that which causeth desolation"; namely, an idol set up on a wing or pinnacle of the temple (compare Matthew 4:5 ) by Antichrist, who makes a covenant with the restored Jews for the last of the seventy weeks of years (fulfilling Jesus' words, "If another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive"), and for the first three and a half years keeps it, then in the midst of the week breaks it, causing the daily sacrifices to cease. TREGELLES thus identifies the last half week with the time, times, and a half of the persecuting little horn ( Daniel 7:25 ). But thus there is a gap of at least 1830 years put between the sixty-nine weeks and the seventieth week. SIR ISAAC NEWTON explains the wing ("overspreading") of abominations to be the Roman ensigns (eagles) brought to the east gate of the temple, and there sacrificed to by the soldiers; the war, ending in the destruction of Jerusalem, lasted from spring A.D. 67 to autumn A.D. 70, that is, just three and a half years, or the last half week of years [JOSEPHUS, Wars of the Jews, 6.6]. poured upon the desolate--TREGELLES translates, "the causer of desolation," namely, Antichrist. Compare "abomination that maketh desolate" ( Daniel 12:11 ). Perhaps both interpretations of the whole passage may be in part true; the Roman desolator, Titus, being a type of Antichrist, the final desolator of Jerusalem. BACON [The Advancement of Learning, 2.3] says, "Prophecies are of the nature of the Author, with whom a thousand years are as one day; and therefore are not fulfilled punctually at once, but have a springing and germinant accomplishment through many years, though the height and fulness of them may refer to one age."
9/12/2016 3:25:59 PM	Who Opposes Blood Sacrifice?
share_n_love Fort Wayne, IN 61, joined Dec. 2012	Quote from ludlowlowell: God commanded the ancient Israelites to make animal sacrifices for one reason and one reason only---that these sacrifices serve as a prefigure of the sacrifice of Jesus in the cross that was to come. A blood sacrifice was commanded by God to 'seal' a covenant [agreement] between He and mankind. Gen 8:20, Then Noah built an altar to the LORD, and took of every clean animal and of every clean bird, and offered burnt offerings on the altar. Gen 9:17, And God said to Noah, “This is the sign of the covenant which I have established between Me and all flesh that is on the earth.” Gen 15:7-10, 7. Then He said to him, "I am the Lord, who brought you out of Ur of the Chaldeans, to give you this land to inherit it." 8. And he said, "Lord God, how shall I know that I will inherit it?" 9. So He said to him, "Bring Me a three-year-old heifer, a three-year-old female goat, a three-year-old ram, a turtledove, and a young pigeon." 10. Then he brought all these to Him and cut them in two, down the middle, and placed each piece opposite the other; but he did not cut the birds in two. Note: The rest of chapter 15, God is telling Abram how he is to sacrifice them. Heb 9:13-22, 13. For if the blood of bulls and goats and the ashes of a heifer, sprinkling the unclean, sanctifies for the purifying of the flesh, 14. how much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered Himself without spot to God, cleanse your conscience from dead works to serve the living God? 15. And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance. 16. For where there is a testament, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator. 17. For a testament is in force after men are dead, since it has no power at all while the testator lives. 18. Therefore not even the first covenant was dedicated without blood. 19. For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and goats, with water, scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book itself and all the people, 20. saying, "This is the blood of the covenant which God has commanded you." 21. Then likewise he sprinkled with blood both the tabernacle and all the vessels of the ministry. 22. And according to the law almost all things are purified with blood, and without shedding of blood there is no remission. Yahshua being sacrificed to seal the New Covenant shows that God's Law is NOT just for the Jews, it is for ALL mankind. If it was ONLY for the Jews....then the Gentiles would have NO part in salvation.
9/12/2016 3:59:05 PM	Who Opposes Blood Sacrifice?
kb2222 Jacksonville, FL 76, joined Apr. 2011	Quote from ludlowlowell: The Catholic Church, the Church founded by Christ, says so. That ought to be good enough. Quote from kb2222: Jesus didn't found the Catholic church. The Catholic church didn't exist in Jesus' day and Peter was not its first pope and the popes of the Catholic church are not infallible. You are full of lies, Ludlow. Its clear the Catholic church has deceived you into being a deceiver for them. You didn't explain why you think God would want untold animals slaughtered as a blood sacrifice for centuries in order to "prefigure" Jesus, Ludlow. Why is that? You can't think of another outright lie to tell?
9/12/2016 4:02:27 PM	Who Opposes Blood Sacrifice?
freegratis Irving, TX 50, joined Dec. 2011	Ask yourself why the little country of Israel, surrounded by Muslim enemies is able to survive. This is about Daniel's 70th week or seven. There are dual prophecies. Kind of like John 11:49-52 And one of them, Caiaphas, being high priest that year, said to them, “You know nothing at all, nor do you consider that it is expedient for us[e] that one man should die for the people, and not that the whole nation should perish.” Now this he did not say on his own authority; but being high priest that year he prophesied that Jesus would die for the nation, and not for that nation only, but also that He would gather together in one the children of God who were scattered abroad. Son of man, can these bones live? For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. It sounds like the Urantians (I expected that) and the Catholic (you surprised me) do not believe that the physical stone temple will be rebuilt? Don't worry though. The renewed blood sacrifices will cease. It's just that you will be asking the AntiChrist to stop them.
9/12/2016 4:17:47 PM	Who Opposes Blood Sacrifice?
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 64, joined Feb. 2008	Jesus Himself is the New Temple of God, and the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass, which is an unbloody re-enactment of Jesus' sacrifice on the cross, is the only sacrifice acceptable to God now. My guess is that the temple in Jerusalem will never be rebuilt.
9/12/2016 4:24:59 PM	Who Opposes Blood Sacrifice?
freegratis Irving, TX 50, joined Dec. 2011	Quote from ludlowlowell: Jesus Himself is the New Temple of God, and the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass, which is an unbloody re-enactment of Jesus' sacrifice on the cross, is the only sacrifice acceptable to God now. My guess is that the temple in Jerusalem will never be rebuilt. What do you make of Revelation 11 (all and verse 2) and Romans 11?
9/12/2016 4:43:20 PM	Who Opposes Blood Sacrifice?
prophetic774 Winter Haven, FL 66, joined Feb. 2011	DOES A JEWISH TEMPLE WITH BIBLICAL SPECIFICATIONS HAVE TO BE REBUILT?? Some End-Time Groups who wrongly interpret Daniel 9:27a, and who believe in a 7-year Tribulation, {Starting with a New Jewish Temple} are now spreading false rumors that religious Jews are now planning to build a Temple or are planning to tear down the Muslim Dome of the Rock and the Al Aqsa Mosque in order to rebuild a Jewish Temple to Biblical specifications and will then REINSTITUTE animal sacrifices??? However there are several big problems with this scenario: All 21 Arab Muslim nations including Pakistan which has many nuclear bombs would then immediately declare an all-out Holy War on Israel, and the Israeli government fully understands this. I know this for I was a missionary in Israel. A Jewish Temple built to Biblical specifications would then take at least 7 years to build during this continuous war with the 21 Muslim nations. Most of these same End-Time Groups also teach that a pre-trib rapture could occur TODAY {Not at least 7 years from today} which of course makes the ridiculous IMMINENT pre-trib belief {That Jesus could come TODAY} a big joke. Now all those who believe in a 7-year Tribulation only because of the wrong interpretation of Daniel 9:27a also believe that immediately following a CONCEALED pre-trib rapture of the Church saints that the Anti-Christ will make a Covenant with Israel; allowing the Jews to make animal sacrifices in a Jewish Temple built to Biblical specifications. They believe that at the end of 3 1/2 years in the middle of the 7 years the antichrist will put an end to all animal sacrifices in this Jewish Temple. However, for over 1,000 years religious Jews have believed that when their Messiah comes He will bring with him the New Jewish Temple and the required Ark of the Covenant. And then the Messiah will re-establish the Levitical priesthood; who will then offer animal sacrifices according to OT Law. For according to OT Law {See Numbers 3:5-10} all Jewish Priests must prove that they are direct descendants of Levi and these Levitical genealogies were completely destroyed when the last Jewish Temple was destroyed in AD 70. Therefore, no Scriptural OT animal sacrifices could possibly occur before then; since no Jew can now prove that he is a Levite!! And so if you are waiting for this Jewish Temple to be built to Biblical specifications by Jews who will then offer animal sacrifices; you are going to have to wait until this bogus Jewish messiah comes. Please do not hold your breath until this time! Did Herod the Great completely destroy the 2nd Temple including its foundations around 17 BC?? The following is a quote from "Antiquities of the Jews" by Josephus, Page 334, Para 1 & 3: "And now Herod, in the 18th year of his reign undertook a very great work, that is, to build of himself the temple of God and make it LARGER in compass, and to raise it to a most significant altitude, as esteeming it to be the most glorious of all his actions and this would be sufficient for an everlasting memorial to him....so Herod TOOK AWAY THE OLD FOUNDATIONS AND LAID OTHERS, and erected the temple upon them. Herod's 3rd Temple was 100 cubits {150 feet} long." {The first two Jewish temples were both 60 cubits {90 feet} long as per 2 Chronicles 3:3 & Ezra 6:3.} So then Herod's Temple was the 3RD TEMPLE which according to John 2:20 took "46 years to build". There are some who believe that a {4th} Jewish Temple built to Biblical specifications will appear during the End-Times and is suggested in Revelation 11:1. The TEMPLE IN HEAVEN is mentioned 12 times in Revelation where worshipers are present: Rev 3:12;7:15;11:19(2X);14:15,17;15:5,6,8(2x); & Rev 16:1,17. The only other time that a temple is mentioned is in Rev 11:1; where worshipers are present; so this could also be a reference to the TEMPLE IN HEAVEN. Let us compare Rev 11:1 with Rev 7:15 and Rev 8:3-5: Revelation 11:1: I was given a reed like a measuring rod and was told, "Go and measure the TEMPLE OF GOD and the ALTAR, and count the worshipers there." Rev 7:15:"They {martyrs as per Rev 7:9-14} are before the throne of God and serve Him day and night in HIS TEMPLE." Rev 8:3-5: Another angel, who had a golden censor, came and stood at the ALTAR. He was given much incense to offer, with the prayers of all the saints, on the golden ALTAR before the throne. The smoke of the incense, together with the prayers of the saints, went up before God from the angel's hand. Ephesians 2:19b-22: "You are members of God's household, built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Jesus Christ Himself as the Chief Cornerstone {Of the 4th and LAST TEMPLE}. In Him the whole building is joined together and rises to become a HOLY TEMPLE in the Lord. And in Him you too are being built {Living Stones-1 Pet 2:5} together to become a dwelling in which God lives by His Spirit. 2 Cor 6:16 "For *WE are the TEMPLE OF THE LIVING GOD!"{See Revelation 11:1 above!!} Acts 17:24: The God who made the world and everything in it ...does not live in temples built by hands. The “outer court” of the TEMPLE OF GOD in Rev 11:2 would be the saints on earth who are also the TEMPLE OF THE LIVING GOD!!
9/12/2016 4:50:05 PM	Who Opposes Blood Sacrifice?
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 64, joined Feb. 2008	Scripture cannot always be interpreted literally word for word. Scripture is to be interpreted by the Church---see 2 Peter 1:20 and Proverbs 3:5.
9/12/2016 5:01:12 PM	Who Opposes Blood Sacrifice?
cupocheer Assumption, IL 68, joined May. 2010	By the Church? You mean the Roman Catholic Church, right?
9/12/2016 5:19:11 PM	Who Opposes Blood Sacrifice?
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 64, joined Feb. 2008	You bet I do.
9/12/2016 5:38:39 PM	Who Opposes Blood Sacrifice?
cupocheer Assumption, IL 68, joined May. 2010	Okay. Then direct me to the biblical scripture (whether literal, or not) which states that to be factual. PS ~~ and it had better day Catholic Church in big bold letters. [Edited 9/12/2016 5:39:36 PM ]
9/12/2016 5:49:21 PM	Who Opposes Blood Sacrifice?
kb2222 Jacksonville, FL 76, joined Apr. 2011	Ludlow, would you please explain why you think God would want untold animals slaughtered as a blood sacrifice for centuries in order to "prefigure" Jesus?
9/12/2016 5:59:07 PM	Who Opposes Blood Sacrifice?
cupocheer Assumption, IL 68, joined May. 2010	Quote from kb2222: Ludlow, would you please explain why you think God would want untold animals slaughtered as a blood sacrifice for centuries in order to "prefigure" Jesus? KB ~~ would you explain why God wouldn't, please?
9/12/2016 6:26:30 PM	Who Opposes Blood Sacrifice?
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 64, joined Feb. 2008	God commanded that animals to be sacrificed, and later His only (that's ONLY, by the way, not one of 700,000) begotten Son to be sacrificed, to show people how horrible sin is, and that people should repent of their sins.
9/12/2016 6:31:43 PM	Who Opposes Blood Sacrifice?
kb2222 Jacksonville, FL 76, joined Apr. 2011	Quote from cupocheer: KB ~~ would you explain why God wouldn't, please? Because God is not a blood thirsty murderous barbarian, a killer of both animals and humans if humans do not do as He says. You don't really believe slitting the throat of a goat once a year or every day or every week and saying please accept this animal blood as a offering and forgive me of my sin works, do you, cup?
9/12/2016 6:34:22 PM	Who Opposes Blood Sacrifice?
kb2222 Jacksonville, FL 76, joined Apr. 2011	Quote from ludlowlowell: God commanded that animals to be sacrificed, and later His only (that's ONLY, by the way, not one of 700,000) begotten Son to be sacrificed, to show people how horrible sin is, and that people should repent of their sins. So God causes Jesus to be horribly tortured and crucified to "show man how horrible sin is." You are spiritually insane to assert this, Ludlow. By this logic Hitler could have justified himself. [Edited 9/12/2016 6:35:00 PM ]
9/12/2016 7:14:27 PM	Who Opposes Blood Sacrifice?
cupocheer Assumption, IL 68, joined May. 2010	Quote from kb2222: Because God is not a blood thirsty murderous barbarian, a killer of both animals and humans if humans do not do as He says. You don't really believe slitting the throat of a goat once a year or every day or every week and saying please accept this animal blood as a offering and forgive me of my sin works, do you, cup? KB ~~ As learned as you are I hesitate to inquire; but, you do know who caused 'Noah's Flood' and why, don't you?
9/12/2016 7:30:40 PM	Who Opposes Blood Sacrifice?
kb2222 Jacksonville, FL 76, joined Apr. 2011	You didn't answer my question, cup.
9/12/2016 7:34:47 PM	Who Opposes Blood Sacrifice?
cupocheer Assumption, IL 68, joined May. 2010	You didn't respond to my question, KB. Noah's Flood? Answer, please.
9/12/2016 7:51:06 PM	Who Opposes Blood Sacrifice?
kb2222 Jacksonville, FL 76, joined Apr. 2011	My question precedes yours, cup. Why are you so evasive?
9/12/2016 7:56:15 PM	Who Opposes Blood Sacrifice?
cupocheer Assumption, IL 68, joined May. 2010	Quote from kb2222: My question precedes yours, cup. Why are you so evasive? Are you being evasive, KB?
9/12/2016 8:03:03 PM	Who Opposes Blood Sacrifice?
kb2222 Jacksonville, FL 76, joined Apr. 2011	No, its quite clear you are and deviously so.
9/12/2016 8:12:45 PM	Who Opposes Blood Sacrifice?
cupocheer Assumption, IL 68, joined May. 2010	Whatever, your opinion is just that.
9/12/2016 8:16:25 PM	Who Opposes Blood Sacrifice?
kb2222 Jacksonville, FL 76, joined Apr. 2011	No, its quite clear you are and deviously so. Run and hide. You obviously can't stand to be honest and sincere.
9/12/2016 8:19:38 PM	Who Opposes Blood Sacrifice?
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 64, joined Feb. 2008	Quote from kb2222: So God causes Jesus to be horribly tortured and crucified to "show man how horrible sin is." You are spiritually insane to assert this, Ludlow. By this logic Hitler could have justified himself. Hitler? All the sins Hitler committed are hustified by Jesus' Blood? That's utterly backwards, KB. The blood of the animals, and Jesus shedding His precious Blood, this reminds that the sins of Hitler and the sins of all people are horrible. You might keep in mind, KB, that most, if not all, of the Nazi atrocities came from their belief in eugenics.
9/12/2016 8:38:08 PM	Who Opposes Blood Sacrifice?
kb2222 Jacksonville, FL 76, joined Apr. 2011	Quote from ludlowlowell: Hitler? All the sins Hitler committed are hustified by Jesus' Blood? That's utterly backwards, KB. That's not what I said, Ludlow. What I was saying is that by your logic of God supposedly killing all the animals and then torturing and killing Jesus his Son to show man how horrible sin is like Hitler claiming he was doing the same thing. What the hell is the matter with you that you think God would cause horrible murderous acts of both animals and people to show people how horrible sin is? Are you just completely nuts? Would you kill untold animals for centuries and then your son to show your neighbors that isn't what they should do because its horrible sin? You truly are spiritually dead, Ludlow.
9/12/2016 9:43:53 PM	Who Opposes Blood Sacrifice?
followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 74, joined May. 2012	Quote from ludlowlowell: Hitler? All the sins Hitler committed are hustified by Jesus' Blood? That's utterly backwards, KB. The blood of the animals, and Jesus shedding His precious Blood, this reminds that the sins of Hitler and the sins of all people are horrible. You have an obsession with sin. Other people's sins are God's problem, not yours. You need to see a head doctor and tell him about your obsessions with sin and Hell and punishment and be sure to tell him that you go on public forums and proclaim that Mary is the Queen of the Universe. You might keep in mind, KB, that most, if not all, of the Nazi atrocities came from their belief in eugenics. Godwin's Law: Godwin's Law states that as an online argument grows longer and more heated, it becomes increasingly likely that somebody will bring up Adolf Hitler or the Nazis. When such an event occurs, the person guilty of invoking Godwin's Law has effectively forfeited the argument.
9/12/2016 10:12:19 PM	Who Opposes Blood Sacrifice?
followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 74, joined May. 2012	Quote from ludlowlowell: God commanded that animals to be sacrificed, God did not. You blaspheme God. and later His only (that's ONLY, by the way, not one of 700,000) begotten Son to be sacrificed, to show people how horrible sin is, and that people should repent of their sins. He did not. You are an ignorant, blasphemous, willfully disobedient to God, man. Jesus says you don't love God so I guess you figure you have nothing to lose. Listen to Jesus before it's too late: “To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth.” (John 18:37) "The Truth" is God the Father. When did you get on this "horrible sin" kick? Be sure to tell the doctor about that too. I'm going to add this to your quotes. Is this right? "God commanded that His only begotten Son to be sacrificed, ...to show people how horrible sin is, and that people should repent of their sins."
9/12/2016 10:13:34 PM	Who Opposes Blood Sacrifice?
followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 74, joined May. 2012	Quote from ludlowlowell: Scripture cannot always be interpreted literally word for word. Scripture is to be interpreted by the Church---see 2 Peter 1:20 and Proverbs 3:5. The catholic church, your sect, is not mentioned in those verses.
9/12/2016 10:15:05 PM	Who Opposes Blood Sacrifice?
followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 74, joined May. 2012	Quote from cupocheer: KB ~~ As learned as you are I hesitate to inquire; but, you do know who caused 'Noah's Flood' and why, don't you? Noah's flood, and the "ark" are myths.
9/12/2016 10:17:23 PM	Who Opposes Blood Sacrifice?
followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 74, joined May. 2012	Quote from cupocheer: Okay. Then direct me to the biblical scripture (whether literal, or not) which states that to be factual. PS ~~ and it had better day Catholic Church in big bold letters. It won't. It can't. The word "catholic" is not in the bible.
9/12/2016 11:38:13 PM	Who Opposes Blood Sacrifice?
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 64, joined Feb. 2008	You guys believe in the Bible but you don't believe in the Catholic Church, the entity that put the Bible together in the first place. That makes no sense.
9/13/2016 12:18:32 AM	Who Opposes Blood Sacrifice?
followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 74, joined May. 2012	Quote from ludlowlowell: God commanded the ancient Israelites to make animal sacrifices for one reason and one reason only---that these sacrifices serve as a prefigure of the sacrifice of Jesus in the cross that was to come. Complete nonsense. And please stop using the word "prefigure."
9/13/2016 12:20:58 AM	Who Opposes Blood Sacrifice?
followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 74, joined May. 2012	Quote from ludlowlowell: You guys believe in the Bible but you don't believe in the Catholic Church, the entity that put the Bible together in the first place. That makes no sense. According to bigd, and I have no reason to doubt him, you have no proof that your sect put the bible together. And even if I believe in the dictionary, that doesn't mean I have to believe in Merriam Webster. You make no sense.
9/13/2016 3:54:38 AM	Who Opposes Blood Sacrifice?
share_n_love Fort Wayne, IN 61, joined Dec. 2012	Quote from ludlowlowell: Hitler? All the sins Hitler committed are hustified by Jesus' Blood? That's utterly backwards, KB. The blood of the animals, and Jesus shedding His precious Blood, this reminds that the sins of Hitler and the sins of all people are horrible. You might keep in mind, KB, that most, if not all, of the Nazi atrocities came from their belief in eugenics. No they aren't either Lud. I just posted entire scriptures telling us what blood sacrifices are for... To seal BOTH covenants between mankind & God. It has NOTHING to do with how bad sin is...
9/13/2016 3:58:07 AM	Who Opposes Blood Sacrifice?
share_n_love Fort Wayne, IN 61, joined Dec. 2012	Quote from ludlowlowell: God commanded that animals to be sacrificed Quote from Follow: He did not Yes chaveri [my friend], YHVH God did....
9/13/2016 4:54:14 AM	Who Opposes Blood Sacrifice?
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 64, joined Feb. 2008	Quote from share_n_love: No they aren't either Lud. I just posted entire scriptures telling us what blood sacrifices are for... To seal BOTH covenants between mankind & God. It has NOTHING to do with how bad sin is... Couldn't it be both to seal the covenants AND to show how bad sin is? And couldn't a show of how horrible sin is be, in and of itself, a kind of seal for the covenant? I don't see a contradiction here.
9/13/2016 8:22:59 AM	Who Opposes Blood Sacrifice?
kb2222 Jacksonville, FL 76, joined Apr. 2011	Quote from ludlowlowell: Couldn't it be both to seal the covenants AND to show how bad sin is? And couldn't a show of how horrible sin is be, in and of itself, a kind of seal for the covenant? I don't see a contradiction here. What the hell is the matter with you that you think God would cause horrible murderous acts of both animals and people to show people how horrible sin is? Are you just completely nuts? Would you kill untold animals for centuries and then your son to show your neighbors that isn't what they should do because its horrible sin? You truly are spiritually dead, Ludlow.
9/13/2016 11:45:49 AM	Who Opposes Blood Sacrifice?
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 64, joined Feb. 2008	In slaughterhouses all over the world they kill untold thousands of animals every day.
9/13/2016 12:02:26 PM	Who Opposes Blood Sacrifice?
cupocheer Assumption, IL 68, joined May. 2010	KB -- Did you answer the Noah's Ark question, dear?
9/13/2016 12:49:24 PM	Who Opposes Blood Sacrifice?
kb2222 Jacksonville, FL 76, joined Apr. 2011	Quote from ludlowlowell: In slaughterhouses all over the world they kill untold thousands of animals every day. You are insane. You know they don't kill animals in slaughterhouses as a sin offering. What the hell is the matter with you that you think God would cause horrible murderous acts of both animals and people to show people how horrible sin is? Are you just completely nuts? Would you kill untold animals for centuries and then your son to show your neighbors that isn't what they should do because its horrible sin? Instead of honestly answering the questions I ask you you say something completely stupid because you are corrupt to the core, Ludlow.
9/13/2016 12:56:24 PM	Who Opposes Blood Sacrifice?
kb2222 Jacksonville, FL 76, joined Apr. 2011	Quote from cupocheer: KB -- Did you answer the Noah's Ark question, dear? You don't see it do you, cup? Why should I answer your questions when you deviously evade answering mine? I bet you even lack the courage to honestly answer that question, right, cup? Why do you pretend to be a Christian while you are so deceitful and evasive, cup?
9/13/2016 1:23:46 PM	Who Opposes Blood Sacrifice?
share_n_love Fort Wayne, IN 61, joined Dec. 2012	Quote from ludlowlowell: Couldn't it be both to seal the covenants AND to show how bad sin is? And couldn't a show of how horrible sin is be, in and of itself, a kind of seal for the covenant? I don't see a contradiction here. Because you are adding to God's word because that is NOT the purpose of Yahshua's coming as I clearly showed in my posting of scriptures...that's why it can't be both. God Himself has told us how bad sin is from the beginning of time.
9/13/2016 1:24:23 PM	Who Opposes Blood Sacrifice?
slowpoke7 Hendersonville, TN 76, joined Feb. 2011	Behold The Lamb Of God, Which Taketh Away The Sin Of The World. Praise The Lord
9/13/2016 1:46:12 PM	Who Opposes Blood Sacrifice?
kb2222 Jacksonville, FL 76, joined Apr. 2011	You so-called Christians like slowpoke are all phony, dishonest and insincere. You can't stand the truth of the teachings of Jesus when its pointed out to you that His teachings are NOT the teachings of the OT scribes and Pharisees the church has proclaimed to be all Gods truth/word. Here I will prove my case. Slowpoke, tell me why you believe it is just to stone and burn people to death at the stake for all these reasons? And why you believe that is what Jesus would order man to do? Kill People Who Don't Listen to Priests (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT) Kill Witches (Exodus 22:17 NAB) Kill Homosexuals (Leviticus 20:13 NAB) Kill Fortunetellers (Leviticus 20:27 NAB) Death for Hitting Dad (Exodus 21:15 NAB) Death for Cursing Parents (Proverbs 20:20 NAB, Leviticus 20:9 NLT) Death for Adultery (Leviticus 20:10 NLT) Death for Fornication (Leviticus 21:9 NAB) Death to Followers of Other Religions (Exodus 22:19 NAB) Kill Nonbelievers (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB) Kill False Prophets (Zechariah 13:3 NAB) Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God (Deuteronomy 13:13-18 NLT) Kill Women Who Are Not Virgins On Their Wedding Night (Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB) Kill Followers of Other Religions. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB, Deuteronomy 17:2-5 NLT) Death for Blasphemy (Leviticus 24:10-16 NLT) Kill False Prophets (Deuteronomy 13:1-5 NLT, Deuteronomy 18:20-22 NLT) Infidels and Gays Should Die (Romans 1:24-32 NLT) Kill Anyone who Approaches the Tabernacle (Numbers 1:48-51 NLT) Kill People for Working on the Sabbath (Exodus 31:12-15 NLT) Kill Sons of Sinners (Isaiah 14:21 NAB) Well, slowpoke, are you going to run and hide again and continue to blaspheme God/Jesus or are you going to honestly answer my questions?
9/13/2016 1:55:41 PM	Who Opposes Blood Sacrifice?
cupocheer Assumption, IL 68, joined May. 2010	Quote from kb2222: You so-called Christians like slowpoke are all phony, dishonest and insincere. You can't stand the truth of the teachings of Jesus when its pointed out to you that His teachings are NOT the teachings of the OT scribes and Pharisees the church has proclaimed to be all Gods truth/word. Here I will prove my case. Slowpoke, tell me why you believe it is just to stone and burn people to death at the stake for all these reasons? And why you believe that is what Jesus would order man to do? Kill People Who Don't Listen to Priests (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT) Kill Witches (Exodus 22:17 NAB) Kill Homosexuals (Leviticus 20:13 NAB) Kill Fortunetellers (Leviticus 20:27 NAB) Death for Hitting Dad (Exodus 21:15 NAB) Death for Cursing Parents (Proverbs 20:20 NAB, Leviticus 20:9 NLT) Death for Adultery (Leviticus 20:10 NLT) Death for Fornication (Leviticus 21:9 NAB) Death to Followers of Other Religions (Exodus 22:19 NAB) Kill Nonbelievers (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB) Kill False Prophets (Zechariah 13:3 NAB) Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God (Deuteronomy 13:13-18 NLT) Kill Women Who Are Not Virgins On Their Wedding Night (Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB) Kill Followers of Other Religions. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB, Deuteronomy 17:2-5 NLT) Death for Blasphemy (Leviticus 24:10-16 NLT) Kill False Prophets (Deuteronomy 13:1-5 NLT, Deuteronomy 18:20-22 NLT) Infidels and Gays Should Die (Romans 1:24-32 NLT) Kill Anyone who Approaches the Tabernacle (Numbers 1:48-51 NLT) Kill People for Working on the Sabbath (Exodus 31:12-15 NLT) Kill Sons of Sinners (Isaiah 14:21 NAB) Well, slowpoke, are you going to run and hide again and continue to blaspheme God/Jesus or are you going to honestly answer my questions? KB, these type posts by you see you out as being a false prophet:liar & deceiver. Jesus said love thy neighbor but you don't do that, do you? I love you, KB -- I will be praying for you.
9/13/2016 1:56:08 PM	Who Opposes Blood Sacrifice?
slowpoke7 Hendersonville, TN 76, joined Feb. 2011	kb - Since you consider the situations on your list to be absurd then it looks like you do not even want to believe the words of Jesus Himself. And unless you can prove that all of the scriptures below are NOT true then for someone to answer your question the way you want them to will prove absolutely nothing. Luke 17:27-29 Jesus speaking (27) They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all. (28) Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; (29) But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. __________________________________ (Genesis 6:13) And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth. (Genesis 6:17) And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life, from under heaven; and every thing that is in the earth shall die. (Genesis 7:21) And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man: (Matthew 24:39) And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. (2nd Peter 3:6) Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: __________________________________ (Genesis 19:24) Then the LORD rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah a brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven; (Deuteronomy 29:23) And that the whole land thereof is brimstone, and salt, and burning, that it is not sown, nor beareth, nor any grass groweth therein, like the overthrow of Sodom, and Gomorrah, Admah, and Zeboim, which the LORD overthrew in his anger, and in his wrath: (Psalms 11:6) Upon the wicked he shall rain snares, fire and a brimstone, and an horrible tempest: this shall be the portion of their cup. (Isaiah 13:19) And Babylon, the glory of kingdoms, the beauty of the Chaldees' excellency, shall be as when God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah. (Jeremiah 20:16) And let that man be as the cities which the LORD overthrew, and repented not: and let him hear the cry in the morning, and the shouting at noontide; (Jeremiah 50:40) As God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah and the neighbour cities thereof, saith the LORD; so shall no man abide there, neither shall any son of man dwell therein. (Ezekiel 16:50) And they were haughty, and committed abomination before me: therefore I took them away as I saw good. (Amos 4:11) I have overthrown some of you, as God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah, and ye were as a firebrand plucked out of the burning: yet have ye not returned unto me, saith the LORD. (Zephaniah 2:9) Therefore as I live, saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel, Surely Moab shall be as Sodom, and the children of Ammon as Gomorrah, even the breeding of nettles, and saltpits, and a perpetual desolation: the residue of my people shall spoil them, and the remnant of my people shall possess them (2nd Peter 2:6) And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly; (Jude 7) Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. [Edited 9/13/2016 1:59:11 PM ]
9/13/2016 2:06:04 PM	Who Opposes Blood Sacrifice?
kb2222 Jacksonville, FL 76, joined Apr. 2011	How do you see those verses relevant to my questions, slowpoke? How do those verses prevent you from honestly answering my questions, slowpoke? You just can't bring yourself to be honest and sincere, right slowpoke? You are a phony, dishonest and insincere Christian, slowpoke, and you prove it time and time again by refusing to answer questions.
9/13/2016 2:08:17 PM	Who Opposes Blood Sacrifice?
cupocheer Assumption, IL 68, joined May. 2010	Quote from kb2222: How do you see those verses relevant to my questions, slowpoke? How do those verses prevent you from honestly answering my questions, slowpoke? You just can't bring yourself to be honest and sincere, right slowpoke? You are a phony, dishonest and insincere Christian, slowpoke, and you prove it time and time again by refusing to answer questions. Dang it, KB! You said that was me! Are you changing horses in mid-stream?
9/13/2016 2:17:01 PM	Who Opposes Blood Sacrifice?
kb2222 Jacksonville, FL 76, joined Apr. 2011	Quote from cupocheer: KB, these type posts by you see you out as being a false prophet:liar & deceiver. Jesus said love thy neighbor but you don't do that, do you? I love you, KB -- I will be praying for you. If I didn't love you as my brothers and sisters believe me I would not be wasting my time trying to get you to overcome your church indoctrinated book worship and grasp within your heart the true loving and caring nature of God that Jesus so divinely revealed. And if you can't understand and appreciate that it just shows the depth of the spiritual darkness of your soul, cup. I don't need your sarcastic prayers. Pray to God for truth, wisdom and enlightenment and listen to the Spirit within instead of subordinating your mind to a book the church compiled and what they proclaim about it. God is not some kind of a blood-thirsty fickle minded murderous monster who orders man to stone and burn people to death at the stake and if you think that is what Jesus would do and is you have been deceived by Satan into moral confusion and spiritual corruption.

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