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kb2222
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Yes, Jesus loves you, slowpoke, and He strongly desires you to rise above your murderous beliefs and teachings that He orders man to stone and burn to death at the stake his brethren for all sorts of absurd reasons like some kind of a psychopath.

So, why do you (in essence) give Jesus the finger, slowpoke?

Can you say?

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followjesusonly
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Yeah but, why don't you preach the gospel that JESUS preached? Wouldn't that be better?

"And Jesus went about all the cities and villages, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing every sickness and every disease among the people." (Matthew 9:35)

"And it came to pass... that Jesus went throughout every city and village, preaching and showing the glad tidings of the kingdom of God: and the twelve were with him..." (Luke 8:1) (Also see Matthew 4:23, Mark 1:14, and Luke 4:43.)

...Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life? (Luke 10:25)

"Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbor as thyself." (Luke 10:27)

Why don't you preach THAT gospel, Slow, the information, from Jesus, that you need to know to have eternal life.

Jesus spent years with his apostles before He died preaching "the glad tidings of the kingdom of God," and "the gospel of the kingdom," and as soon as He died and was gone, Christians threw all that out the window and began "preaching the cross."

Satan must be smiling at how easy it is to derail God's plans. Jesus is probably up in heaven saying, "Why do I bother? All my preaching "the glad tidings of the kingdom of God," and "the gospel of the kingdom," gone, forgotten, replaced by another gospel."

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kb2222
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Slowpoke, here is an account of what Jesus specifically taught about the "Gospel of the Kingdom."

Read it and give it serious thought.

193:0.3 (2052.3) “And now you should give ear to my words lest you again make the mistake of hearing my teaching with the mind while in your hearts you fail to comprehend the meaning. From the beginning of my sojourn as one of you, I taught you that my one purpose was to reveal my Father in heaven to his children on earth. I have lived the God-revealing bestowal that you might experience the God-knowing career. I have revealed God as your Father in heaven; I have revealed you as the sons of God on earth. It is a fact that God loves you, his sons. By faith in my word this fact becomes an eternal and living truth in your hearts. When, by living faith, you become divinely God-conscious, you are then born of the spirit as children of light and life, even the eternal life wherewith you shall ascend the universe of universes and attain the experience of finding God the Father on Paradise.

193:0.4 (2052.4) “I admonish you ever to remember that your mission among men is to proclaim the gospel of the kingdom — the reality of the fatherhood of God and the truth of the sonship of man. Proclaim the whole truth of the good news, not just a part of the saving gospel. Your message is not changed by my resurrection experience. Sonship with God, by faith, is still the saving truth of the gospel of the kingdom. You are to go forth preaching the love of God and the service of man. That which the world needs most to know is: Men are the sons of God, and through faith they can actually realize, and daily experience, this ennobling truth. My bestowal should help all men to know that they are the children of God, but such knowledge will not suffice if they fail personally to faith-grasp the saving truth that they are the living spirit sons of the eternal Father. The gospel of the kingdom is concerned with the love of the Father and the service of his children on earth.

-The Urantia Book

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slowpoke7
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Quote from followjesusonly:
Satan must be smiling at how easy it is to derail God's plans. Jesus is probably up in heaven saying, "Why do I bother? All my preaching "the glad tidings of the kingdom of God," and "the gospel of the kingdom," gone, forgotten, replaced by another gospel."

Well furch - If you want to believe that Jesus' shed blood has nothing to do with YOUR salvation then that is your choice. I along with most everyone else in this Christian Group believe that Jesus willingly laid down His life and shed His blood for the remission of our sins as it speaks about in different scriptures of the Bible.
Just because the UB may say otherwise does not prove anything.

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kb2222
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Quote from slowpoke7:
Well furch - If you want to believe that Jesus' shed blood has nothing to do with YOUR salvation then that is your choice. I along with most everyone else in this Christian Group believe that Jesus willingly laid down His life and shed His blood for the remission of our sins as it speaks about in different scriptures of the Bible.
Just because the UB may say otherwise does not prove anything.

God, our heavenly Father is a Divine Perfect Being NOT a blood thirsty psychopath that requires the death of the innocent to atone for the sin of sinners, slowpoke. The need for a blood sacrifice to appease an angry God is what primitive man believed and that belief was still alive in the mind of man when Jesus was on the earth. You don't really believe killing a goat or a human being atones for sin, do you, slow?

Yes, Jesus laid down his life on the cross but it was man not God who wanted Him dead.

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followjesusonly
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Quote from slowpoke7:
Well furch - If you want to believe that Jesus' shed blood has nothing to do with YOUR salvation then that is your choice. I along with most everyone else in this Christian Group believe that Jesus willingly laid down His life and shed His blood for the remission of our sins as it speaks about in different scriptures of the Bible.
Just because the UB may say otherwise does not prove anything.


Nevertheless, Slow, I think Jesus would want you to preach the gospel that He preached to the multitude, "the glad tidings of the kingdom of God," and "the gospel of the kingdom" and not some other gospel. Paul says: But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

What Paul should have said was: But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which Jesus preached unto you, let him be accursed.

Then Paul would have to "accurse" himself because he preaches a gospel that Jesus didn't preach.

I know you're indoctrinated, Slow, and you're not likely to let got of it. That's pretty much the way it is around here.

You do what you want. That's what the cathlicks do. They pray to Mary and dead people, call priests, "Father," and have statues and idols in their churches. And they have a sophistry to justify everything they do. As Ludlow says: Why get so worked up over prayers to Mary? Why not just let people who like that do it? What do you care?"

Indeed. Why do I get so "worked up" over you not preaching the gospel that Jesus preached to the people? Indeed, why not just let people preach whatever the hell they want to preach regardless of what Jesus preached? Indeed, what do I care?

Carry on, Slow. Don't preach what Jesus preached. Preach what Paul preached. Christianity as it is is really all about Paul anyway. Except for cathlicks. For them, Christianity is all about the cathlick church with the Mary worshiping and the "Father" calling and the saint praying and the statues and idols bowing down to, and the homosexual, pedophile clergy and the gold mongering and the drinking blood and eating flesh, ritual cannibalism and so on. That's what Christianity is for cathlicks. Well, frankly they aren't Christians at all but that's another story.

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Quote from slowpoke7:
Well furch - If you want to believe that Jesus' shed blood has nothing to do with YOUR salvation then that is your choice. I along with most everyone else in this Christian Group believe that Jesus willingly laid down His life and shed His blood for the remission of our sins as it speaks about in different scriptures of the Bible.
Just because the UB may say otherwise does not prove anything.




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I believe that Jesus willingly laid down His life in service to God the Father, doing the Father's will, and the mission of "bearing witness unto the truth" as Jesus said at John 18:37. I further believe that everyone should preach the gospel that Jesus and the 12 preached to the multitude according to the scriptures, and not some other gospel.

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And I say, but though anyone preach any other gospel unto you than that which Jesus preached to the people, let him be accursed.

Preach what Jesus preached. My God!, it's so elementary.

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slowpoke7
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furch - as I have said before - no one is implying that Jesus did not preach the gospel to the multitude. First of all the preaching of the cross does NOT have to be in the scriptures of your choosing for it to be true. If (according to you) the cross was not preached before Jesus was crucified then it is not something we need to be concerned about. The problem with that logic is what about all the people that had no way of hearing about it? In other words - if it was important (in order for it to be true) that it needed to be preached before Jesus was crucified then shouldn’t it be done so EVERYONE would have known about it?

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followjesusonly
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furch - as I have said before - no one is implying that Jesus did not preach the gospel to the multitude.


I never said anyone was implying that, Slow.

First of all the preaching of the cross does NOT have to be in the scriptures of your choosing for it to be true.


Whether the cross gospel you preach is true or not, it's not the gospel that Jesus and the 12 preached to the people. Whenever you're out there preaching the cross, you should stop for a second and silently think to yourself, "Well, it's not the gospel that Jesus preached, but what the hell, it's something. At least I'm out here trying. That's all a steer can do."

If (according to you) the cross was not preached before Jesus was crucified then it is not something we need to be concerned about.


Exactly. What you need to be concerned about is the gospel that Jesus and the 12 preached, according to scripture, before Jesus died.

The problem with that logic is what about all the people that had no way of hearing about it?


Which gospel are you talking about? Everyone has a chance to hear the gospel that Jesus preached if Christians would only preach it.

In other words - if it was important (in order for it to be true) that it needed to be preached before Jesus was crucified then shouldn’t it be done so EVERYONE would have known about it?


That's your job, and all Christians' job, to continue preaching the gospel that Jesus preached. IT WAS done so that everyone would know about it. Perhaps you have heard the expression, "when the cat's away the mice will play"? As soon as Jesus was gone, Satan saw an opening: add "remission of sins" to Jesus' words on the last day before He died, to an in private audience (not the multitude), and bring in someone who Jesus never heard of, Paul, and pretty soon the gospel that Jesus preached was subverted and now Christians are "preaching the cross" instead of preaching the gospel that Jesus preached.

If Jesus can't count on you to preach the gospel that He preached, the only ones left He can count on are Urantia Book believers. We can do it, Slow, if you won't.



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slowpoke7
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furch you say - Everyone has a chance to hear the gospel that Jesus preached if Christians would only preach it.

No furch - you are wrong - what about the multitude of people that has already past away before Jesus ever showed up? How are we going to preach to any of them?

If (in order for it to be true) that the cross needed to be preach before Jesus was crucified then shouldn’t they have also known about it?

Again I say you are trying to put the cart before the horse. What would be the purpose that the cross needed to be preached while Jesus was alive since the remission of sin did not apply until AFTER Jesus was crucified?

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furch you say - Everyone has a chance to hear the gospel that Jesus preached if Christians would only preach it.

No furch - you are wrong - what about the multitude of people that has already past away before Jesus ever showed up? How are we going to preach to any of them?

If (in order for it to be true) that the cross needed to be preach before Jesus was crucified then shouldn’t they have also known about it?

Again I say you are trying to put the cart before the horse. What would be the purpose that the cross needed to be preached while Jesus was alive since the remission of sin did not apply until AFTER Jesus was crucified?


I never said the cross needed to be preached while Jesus was alive. There would be no purpose. The cross doesn't need to be preached. It's a false gospel, it's not from Jesus, it's not the gospel that Jesus preached. The gospel that Jesus preached is the gospel that needed to be preached and it was, by Jesus and the 12. And it's the gospel that Christians should preach. Basically, as soon as Jesus died and was no longer on the scene, the gospel that He preached was replaced with the gospel that Christians preach now. The cross gospel comes from the guy who said, "Being crafty, I caught you with guile." It comes from the guy who, at least 4 times, had to assure people that he was not lying.

1Ti 2:7 Where unto I am ordained a preacher, and an apostle, (I speak the truth in Christ, and lie not;) a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and verity.

Gal 1:20 Now the things which I write unto you, behold, before God, I lie not.

Rom 9:1 I say the truth in Christ, I lie not, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Ghost,

2Co 11:31 The God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which is blessed for evermore, knoweth that I lie not.

Who else in the entire bible has to reassure people that he's not lying? Jesus warned about false prophets but when he showed up, they didn't realize it.

If you Christians won't preach the gospel that Jesus preached, we Urantia Book readers will. Please don't torture us or burn us at the stake for preaching the gospel that Jesus preached. We will do your job for you and The Urantia Book will do your job for you. And it's the same for "the multitude of people that has already [passed] away before Jesus ever showed up." They won't hear Jesus' gospel from us and they won't hear the cross gospel from you. They're dead. They will, however, hear the true gospel from Jesus and His angels when they arrive on the mansions (the Mansion Worlds in The Urantia Book) that Jesus spoke of. Pretty much everyone is going to make it that far in my opinion, Slow. (But the mansions are not exactly "heaven." They are a step.) That's where the confusion of this place we're on now will be washed away and we'll be re-educated and rehabilitated. Those who don't like it or who can't or won't adjust to God's reality will be allowed to terminate their universe career and end their journey to Paradise.

ESTABLISHING THE REMEMBRANCE SUPPER
(The Last Supper, what was said.)

179:5.1 As they brought Jesus the third cup of wine, the “cup of blessing,” he arose from the couch and, taking the cup in his hands, blessed it, saying: “Take this cup, all of you, and drink of it. This shall be the cup of my remembrance. This is the cup of the blessing of a new dispensation of grace and truth. This shall be to you the emblem of the bestowal and ministry of the divine Spirit of Truth. And I will not again drink this cup with you until I drink in new form with you in the Father’s eternal kingdom.”

179:5.2 The apostles all sensed that something out of the ordinary was transpiring as they drank of this cup of blessing in profound reverence and perfect silence. The old Passover commemorated the emergence of their fathers from a state of racial slavery into individual freedom; now the Master was instituting a new remembrance supper as a symbol of the new dispensation wherein the enslaved individual emerges from the bondage of ceremonialism and selfishness into the spiritual joy of the brotherhood and fellowship of the liberated faith sons of the living God.

179:5.3 When they had finished drinking this new cup of remembrance, the Master took up the bread and, after giving thanks, broke it in pieces and, directing them to pass it around, said: “Take this bread of remembrance and eat it. I have told you that I am the bread of life. And this bread of life is the united life of the Father and the Son in one gift. The word of the Father, as revealed in the Son, is indeed the bread of life.” When they had partaken of the bread of remembrance, the symbol of the living word of truth incarnated in the likeness of mortal flesh, they all sat down.

179:5.4 In instituting this remembrance supper, the Master, as was always his habit, resorted to parables and symbols. He employed symbols because he wanted to teach certain great spiritual truths in such a manner as to make it difficult for his successors to attach precise interpretations and definite meanings to his words. In this way he sought to prevent successive generations from crystallizing his teaching and binding down his spiritual meanings by the dead chains of tradition and dogma. In the establishment of the only ceremony or sacrament associated with his whole life mission, Jesus took great pains to suggest his meanings rather than to commit himself to precise definitions. He did not wish to destroy the individual’s concept of divine communion by establishing a precise form; neither did he desire to limit the believer’s spiritual imagination by formally cramping it. He rather sought to set man’s reborn soul free upon the joyous wings of a new and living spiritual liberty.

179:5.5 Notwithstanding the Master’s effort thus to establish this new sacrament of the remembrance, those who followed after him in the intervening centuries saw to it that his express desire was effectively thwarted in that his simple spiritual symbolism of that last night in the flesh has been reduced to precise interpretations and subjected to the almost mathematical precision of a set formula. Of all Jesus’ teachings none have become more tradition-standardized. -The Urantia Book

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kb2222
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Slowpoke, do you really believe killing a goat ever atoned for sin?

Do you really believe it is "just" to stone and burn people to death at the stake for all the following reasons and believe that is what Jesus would order man to do?

Kill People Who Don't Listen to Priests (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)
Kill Witches (Exodus 22:17 NAB)
Kill Homosexuals (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)
Kill Fortunetellers (Leviticus 20:27 NAB)
Death for Hitting Dad (Exodus 21:15 NAB)
Death for Cursing Parents (Proverbs 20:20 NAB, Leviticus 20:9 NLT)
Death for Adultery (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)
Death for Fornication (Leviticus 21:9 NAB)
Death to Followers of Other Religions (Exodus 22:19 NAB)
Kill Nonbelievers (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)
Kill False Prophets (Zechariah 13:3 NAB)
Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God (Deuteronomy 13:13-18 NLT)
Kill Women Who Are Not Virgins On Their Wedding Night (Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB)
Kill Followers of Other Religions. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB, Deuteronomy 17:2-5 NLT)
Death for Blasphemy (Leviticus 24:10-16 NLT)
Kill False Prophets (Deuteronomy 13:1-5 NLT, Deuteronomy 18:20-22 NLT)
Infidels and Gays Should Die (Romans 1:24-32 NLT)
Kill Anyone who Approaches the Tabernacle (Numbers 1:48-51 NLT)
Kill People for Working on the Sabbath (Exodus 31:12-15 NLT)
Kill Sons of Sinners (Isaiah 14:21 NAB)

Why do you call yourself a Christian when you reject the loving and caring nature of God that Jesus revealed?

You don't honestly answer because you can't stand the truth of your own evolved sense of morality if it conflicts with church doctrine about the book the church compiled, right, slowpoke? The church has deceived you with their teachings into placing your trust and loyalty in the book they compiled no matter what it says or what Jesus taught or even the laws of civilized society, right, slowpoke?

That's the truth, isn't it, slowpoke? Why else would you refuse to honestly answer the questions I have asked?

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Whether the cross gospel you preach is true or not, it's not the gospel that Jesus and the 12 preached to the people. Whenever you're out there preaching the cross, you should stop for a second and silently think to yourself, "Well, it's not the gospel that Jesus preached, but what the hell, it's something. At least I'm out here trying. That's all a steer can do."


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If (according to you) the cross was not preached before Jesus was crucified then it is not something we need to be concerned about.


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Exactly. What you need to be concerned about is the gospel that Jesus and the 12 preached, according to scripture, before Jesus died.



Matthew 16:21 (1 of the 12) - From that time onwards Jesus began to explain to his disciples that he would have to go to Jerusalem, and endure much suffering from the elders, chief priests and scribes, and finally be killed; and be raised to life again on the third day.

RED LETTER
Luke 24:25-26 - Then he spoke to them, "Aren't you failing to understand, and slow to believe in all that the prophets have said? Was it not inevitable that Christ should suffer like that and so find his glory?"

I guess you'll have to trust Luke or not.
24:27-29 - Then, beginning with Moses and all the prophets, he explained to them everything in the scriptures that referred to himself. They were by now approaching the village to which they were going. He gave the impression that he meant to go on further, but they stopped him with the words, "Do stay with us. It is nearly evening and soon the day will be over."

24:30-32 - So he went indoors to stay with them. Then it happened! While he was sitting at table with them he took the loaf, gave thanks, broke it and passed it to them. Their eyes opened wide and they knew him! But he vanished from their sight. Then they said to each other, "Weren't our hearts glowing while he was with us on the road, and when he made the scriptures so plain to us?"

Luke 22:19 (RED LETTER) - Then he took a loaf and after thanking God he broke it and gave it to them, with these words, "This is my body which is given for you: do this in remembrance of me."

22:20-22 - So too, he gave them a cup after supper with the words, "This cup is the new agreement made in my own blood which is shed for you. Yet the hand of the man who is betraying me lies with mine at this moment on the table. The Son of Man goes on his appointed way: yet alas for the man by whom he is betrayed!"


1 Cor 15 Moreover, brethren, I declare to you the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received and in which you stand, 2 by which also you are saved, if you hold fast that word which I preached to you—unless you believed in vain.

3 For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4 and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures, 5 and that He was seen by Cephas, then by the twelve. 6 After that He was seen by over five hundred brethren at once, of whom the greater part remain to the present, but some have fallen asleep. 7 After that He was seen by James, then by all the apostles. 8 Then last of all He was seen by me also, as by one born out of due time.

Hebrew English
Adam Man
Seth Appointed
Enosh Mortal
Kenan Sorrow;
Mahalalel The Blessed God
Jared Shall come down
Enoch Teaching
Methuselah His death shall bring
Lamech The Despairing
Noah Rest, or comfort.

Man (is) appointed mortal sorrow (but) The blessed God shall come down teaching His death shall bring the despairing comfort or Rest.

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slowpoke7
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I never said the cross needed to be preached while Jesus was alive.

And I never said those were your actual words, but it is the same difference because you are clearly implying that (In Order For It To Be True) then Jesus would have had to said so while He was alive.



The gospel that Jesus preached is the gospel that needed to be preached and it was, by Jesus and the 12.

You like to cherry pick the scriptures and/or use the Urantia Book version in order to make excuses to rule out anything that does not line up with what you want to believe.
Such as (Matthew 26:28) from Jesus and (Revelation 1:5) from the apostle John (which is one of the 12 that you speak of, is he not?)



CLV - 2nd Peter 1:21 - For not by the will of man was prophecy carried on at any time, but, being carried on by holy spirit, holy men of God speak.
KJV - 2nd Peter 1:21 - For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.


CLV - 2 Timothy 3:16,17
16) All scripture is inspired by God, and is beneficial for teaching, for exposure, for correction, for discipline in righteousness,
17) that the man of God may be equipped, fitted out for every good act.

KJV - 2 Timothy 3:16,17
16) All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17) That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.



And you always want to throw Paul under the bus. But according to the scriptures, Paul did a complete 180 from his earlier years and in doing so, he may have become a better Christian than me and you put together.

And you try to make it appear that since no one knows for sure who the author was of this or that book in the Bible then it is questionable if it is true or not but yet you will quote scriptures from those very same books as though it does not matter who the author is when you are the one quoting from those very same books.
Neither do you have any proof who the authors of the Urania Book were. You will quote something from the Urantia Book and say this or that is what Really happen but you do not have any proof to back it up. So since you like to cast doubt on the Bible then shouldn’t that doubt also apply to the Urania Book as well?

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Slow, you have two choices.

You can either preach the gospel that Jesus and the 12 preached to the people while Jesus was alive according to the scriptures, Luke 8:1, Matthew 4:23, Mark 1:14, and Luke 4:43,

...or you can preach a different gospel, one that Jesus and the 12 did not preach to the people while Jesus was alive.

Luk 4:43  And he said unto them, I must preach the kingdom of God to other cities also: for therefore am I sent.

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And Jesus went about all the cities and villages, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing every sickness and every disease among the people. (Matthew 9:35)

And it came to pass... that Jesus went throughout every city and village, preaching and showing the glad tidings of the kingdom of God: and the twelve were with him... (Luke 8:1) (Also see Matthew 4:23, Mark 1:14, and Luke 4:43.)

Mat 4:23  And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people.

Mar 1:14  Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God,

Luk 4:43  And he said unto them, I must preach the kingdom of God to other cities also: for therefore am I sent.

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kb2222
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Slowpoke, do you really believe killing a goat ever atoned for sin?

Do you really believe it is "just" to stone and burn people to death at the stake for all the following reasons and believe that is what Jesus would order man to do?

Kill People Who Don't Listen to Priests (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)
Kill Witches (Exodus 22:17 NAB)
Kill Homosexuals (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)
Kill Fortunetellers (Leviticus 20:27 NAB)
Death for Hitting Dad (Exodus 21:15 NAB)
Death for Cursing Parents (Proverbs 20:20 NAB, Leviticus 20:9 NLT)
Death for Adultery (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)
Death for Fornication (Leviticus 21:9 NAB)
Death to Followers of Other Religions (Exodus 22:19 NAB)
Kill Nonbelievers (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)
Kill False Prophets (Zechariah 13:3 NAB)
Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God (Deuteronomy 13:13-18 NLT)
Kill Women Who Are Not Virgins On Their Wedding Night (Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB)
Kill Followers of Other Religions. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB, Deuteronomy 17:2-5 NLT)
Death for Blasphemy (Leviticus 24:10-16 NLT)
Kill False Prophets (Deuteronomy 13:1-5 NLT, Deuteronomy 18:20-22 NLT)
Infidels and Gays Should Die (Romans 1:24-32 NLT)
Kill Anyone who Approaches the Tabernacle (Numbers 1:48-51 NLT)
Kill People for Working on the Sabbath (Exodus 31:12-15 NLT)
Kill Sons of Sinners (Isaiah 14:21 NAB)

Why do you call yourself a Christian when you reject the loving and caring nature of God that Jesus revealed?

You don't honestly answer because you can't stand the truth of your own evolved sense of morality if it conflicts with church doctrine about the book the church compiled, right, slowpoke? The church has deceived you with their teachings into placing your trust and loyalty in the book they compiled no matter what it says or what Jesus taught or even the laws of civilized society, right, slowpoke?

That's the truth, isn't it, slowpoke? Why else would you refuse to honestly answer the questions I have asked?

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slowpoke7
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Quote from followjesusonly:
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Slow, you have two choices.

You can either preach the gospel that Jesus and the 12 preached to the people while Jesus was alive according to the scriptures, Luke 8:1, Matthew 4:23, Mark 1:14, and Luke 4:43,

...or you can preach a different gospel, one that Jesus and the 12 did not preach to the people while Jesus was alive.

Luk 4:43  And he said unto them, I must preach the kingdom of God to other cities also: for therefore am I sent.

And furch - you have two choices.
You can either preach to whole truth regardless of when or who may have said it or you can continue as usual to cherry pick only the things that you want to believe.

And by the way - I am curious as to what comments you may have to the post from freegratis above mine?

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prophetic774
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I was a missionairy in Israel and it is quite comical how the Orthodox Jews try to keep the OT Sabbath laws. One OT law states that you should not light a fire during the Sabbath and anyone who **LIGHTS A FIRE ON THE SABBATH MUST BE PUT TO DEATH** as per Exodus 35:2,3. This would of course mean that any Eskimo who lights a fire to keep from freezing to death must be put to death.

Exodus 31:12,15: The Lord said to Moses... "Whoever does **ANY WORK** on the Sabbath **MUST** be put to death!!"

John 5:8-11: Then Jesus said to him, "Get up Pick up your mat and walk!" At once the man was cured; he picked up his mat and walked. The day on which this took place was a Sabbath, and so the Jews said to the man who had been healed, "It is the Sabbath and the **LAW FORBIDS** you to carry your mat!"

Luke 13:15: Jesus said, "You hypocrites! Doesn't each of you on the Sabbath untie his ox or donkey from the stall and lead it out to give it water?"

Mark 2L23,24,27: One Sabbath Jesus was going through the grainfields, and as His disciples walked along, they began to pick some heads of grain. The Pharisees said to Him, "Look, why are they doing what is **UNLAWFUL** on the Sabbath?" ... Then Jesus said to them, "The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath. So the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath!!"

Matthew 12:11,12: Jesus said , "If any of you has a sheep and it falls into a pit on the Sabbath, will you not take hold of it and lift it out?... Therefore **IT IS LAWFUL TO DO GOOD**{WORK} on the Sabbath!"

Whereas in the OT in Exodus 31:12,15: The Lord said to Moses... "**WHOEVER** does **ANY WORK** on the Sabbath **MUST** be put to death!"

Since car motors have pistons that continually light fires the Orthodox Jews will not drive their cars on the Sabbath but the 7th Day Adventists drive cars to their churches on the Sabbath so according to OT Sabbath laws all SDA members should be put to death. A Sabbath days walk is only about 2/3rd's of a mile so you must not walk or travel over 2/3rd's of a mile on the Sabbath.{As per Acts 1:12}

Now in Israel most utilities burn coal which of course lights a huge fire so the Orthodox Jews turn on their lights and heaters a few minutes before the Sabbath begins??? But of course all the Jews and SDA's who do this are increasing the amount of coal utilities burn thus increasing the fires set during the Sabbath.

The last time the NT saints kept the Sabbath was the day before The resurrection of Jesus as per Luke 23:55,56. The NT saints worshipped and witnessed every day and so every day was the Lord's Day especially TODAY.

Acts 2:44-46: All the believers were together and had everything in common. Selling their possessions and goods, they gave to anyone as he had need. ***EVERY DAY*** they continued to meet in the temple courts.

SOME GREAT TIPS FOR 7TH DAY ADVENTISTS AND TNT WHO WANT TO KEEP THE OT SABBATH LAWS:

***If someone commits the unpardonable sin of driving their car to church on the Sabbath thus starting thousands of piston fires just drop a cyanide pill in their Communion cup!!
Remember, to keep from sinning you can always go to church on a horse and buggy!!

***If someone puts their lights or electric heater on {To keep from freezing to death} during the Sabbath thus starting Utility coal burning fires just burn their house down; but wait until a minute after the Sabbath to start the fire!!!

***It would be wise to move to an area where you will not freeze to death during the winter such as South Georgia which is the same Longitude as Israel!!!

***If you live over 2/3rd's of a mile from your church or a Sabbath Days travel just come to your church a minute before the Sabbath starts {Be sure and bring a cot} since you cannot leave until a minute after the Sabbath ends. You could also stay at a friends house which is 1/3 of a mile from the church so you can go *ROUND-TRIP* on the Sabbath!!

*** If you do not want to obey the above tips you can always join another church which doesn't believe you have to obey OT Sabbath laws!!!

Galatians 2:14-16: Paul said, When I saw that they were not acting in line with the truth of the gospel, I said to Peter in front of them all, "You are a Jew, yet you live like a Gentile and not like a Jew. How is it, then that you force Gentiles to follow Jewish customs? We who are Jews by birth and not 'Gentile sinners' know that a man is NOT justified by observing the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by observing the law, because by observing the law no one will be justified.!"

Galatians 2:20,21: The life I live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me. I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing!"

Galatians 3:10-13: "All who rely on observing the law are under a curse, for it is written "Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law." Clearly no one is justified before God by the law, because, "The righteous will live by faith." The law is not based on faith; on the contrary, "The man who does these things will live by them." Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us!

Galatians 3:23-25: "Before faith came, we were held prisoners by the law, locked up until faith should be revealed. So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ that we might be justified by faith. Now that faith has come, *WE* ARE NO LONGER UNDER THE SUPERVISION OF THE LAW!!"

Hebrews 8:8,9,13: "The time is coming." says the Lord, "when I will make a New Covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah".... By calling this Covenant "NEW", He has made the first one OBSOLETE; and what is OBSOLETE and aging will soon disappear."

Hebrews 8:6: But the ministry Jesus has received is as superior to theirs as the covenant of which He is Mediator is SUPERIOR TO THE OLD ONE, and it is founded on better promises.

Colossians 2:16,17: Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you **EAT** or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or **A SABBATH DAY**. These are a *SHADOW* of the things that were to come, the reality, however, is found in Christ!!!



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kb2222
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Slowpoke, do you really believe killing a goat ever atoned for sin?

Do you really believe it is "just" to stone and burn people to death at the stake for all the following reasons and believe that is what Jesus would order man to do?

Kill People Who Don't Listen to Priests (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)
Kill Witches (Exodus 22:17 NAB)
Kill Homosexuals (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)
Kill Fortunetellers (Leviticus 20:27 NAB)
Death for Hitting Dad (Exodus 21:15 NAB)
Death for Cursing Parents (Proverbs 20:20 NAB, Leviticus 20:9 NLT)
Death for Adultery (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)
Death for Fornication (Leviticus 21:9 NAB)
Death to Followers of Other Religions (Exodus 22:19 NAB)
Kill Nonbelievers (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)
Kill False Prophets (Zechariah 13:3 NAB)
Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God (Deuteronomy 13:13-18 NLT)
Kill Women Who Are Not Virgins On Their Wedding Night (Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB)
Kill Followers of Other Religions. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB, Deuteronomy 17:2-5 NLT)
Death for Blasphemy (Leviticus 24:10-16 NLT)
Kill False Prophets (Deuteronomy 13:1-5 NLT, Deuteronomy 18:20-22 NLT)
Infidels and Gays Should Die (Romans 1:24-32 NLT)
Kill Anyone who Approaches the Tabernacle (Numbers 1:48-51 NLT)
Kill People for Working on the Sabbath (Exodus 31:12-15 NLT)
Kill Sons of Sinners (Isaiah 14:21 NAB)

Why do you call yourself a Christian when you reject the loving and caring nature of God that Jesus revealed?

You don't honestly answer because you can't stand the truth of your own evolved sense of morality if it conflicts with church doctrine about the book the church compiled, right, slowpoke? The church has deceived you with their teachings into placing your trust and loyalty in the book they compiled no matter what it says or what Jesus taught or even the laws of civilized society, right, slowpoke?

That's the truth, isn't it, slowpoke? Why else would you refuse to honestly answer the questions I have asked?

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followjesusonly
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Quote from slowpoke7:

And by the way - I am curious as to what comments you may have to the post from freegratis above mine?


None of what freegratis posted is the gospel that Jesus preached. We will preach that gospel if you Christians have defected to another gospel, the one from Paul. This is why The Urantia Book was sent, to bring Christianity back to the message and the gospel that Jesus preached.

"Of all human knowledge, that which is of greatest value is to know the religious life of Jesus and how he lived it." -The Urantia Book (196:1.3)

And freegratis said I either have to "trust Luke or not."

Trust Luke? Which one of the apostles was he? Did Luke ever meet Jesus? No, he did not. Why would I trust Luke?

Then freegratis quotes Paul using the "I" word way too much, showing that Paul is all about Paul.

I declare to you the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received and in which you stand, 2 by which also you are saved, if you hold fast that word which I preached to you.

Shameful, the ego.

But Jesus already validated how we are "saved."

"Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbor as thyself." (Luke 10:27)

So, preach whatever gospel you want to preach. As for me and my house, we will preach the gospel that Jesus preached. And I say, "But anyone preach any other gospel unto you than that which Jesus preached, let him be accursed."

Satan, working through Paul and others, successfully subverted the gospel of salvation that Jesus preached and replaced it with a gospel about Jesus' death.

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kb2222
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Quote from slowpoke7:
And by the way - I am curious as to what comments you may have to the post from freegratis above mine?

Slowpoke, freegratis is more corrupt/confused and anti-Christ in his beliefs than you are. Freegratis didn't hesitate to answer my questions several months ago and he said "YES!" that he believed it was just to stone and burn people to death at the stake for all those reasons and that is what he believed Jesus would do.

Such a inhumane, evil, murderous, anti-Christ person he has made of himself because he has subordinated his mind so completely to church doctrine about the book they compiled. It is utterly deplorable that you "Christians" in this day and time would still be believing and asserting that it is just to stone and burn your brethren to death at the stake for all those reasons because the church claims the book they compiled is ALL Gods infallible word. Love, brotherhood, servitude and the Golden Rule teachings of Jesus appear meaningless to you church book "Christians."

DEPLORABLE, SHAMEFUL and really INEXCUSABLE.

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ludlowlowell
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KB, is everyone in the human race corrupt, except for you?

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bigd9832
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ludlow is corrupt.

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kb2222
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Ludlow, you just can't stand the truth about God that Jesus revealed because it conflicts with the teachings of your "Holy Mother" the Catholic church and your "Holy Father" its Popes. Is that corrupt? Yes, it is.

Anyone who believes and teaches that Jesus would order man to stone and burn to death his brethren at the stake for all those reasons is truly morally and spiritually CORRUPT.

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ludlowlowell
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Jesus' mercy does not mean that anything goes. Jesus can and does send tousands to Hell every day. The parole board paroles, not all criminals, but only those criminals who have remorse.

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kb2222
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Why don't you respond to what I said, Ludlow?

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followjesusonly
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Quote from ludlowlowell:
Jesus' mercy does not mean that anything goes. Jesus can and does send tousands to Hell every day. The parole board paroles, not all criminals, but only those criminals who have remorse.


There is no Hell, and God doesn't send anyone to such a place. You are spiritually ignorant about God and possibly sadistic. You project on God what you want, torture, and punishment.

Psa_145:9 The LORD is good to all:

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ludlowlowell
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Jesus made it very clear that Hell exists, that there is fire there, and that it is an everlasting fire.

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followjesusonly
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No, He didn't make that clear. That's why the cathlick NAB bible has dropped it.

Jesus did make clear that you are not to call priests, "Father" or pray to Mary and dead people, however.

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kb2222
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Quote from kb2222:
Ludlow, you just can't stand the truth about God that Jesus revealed because it conflicts with the teachings of your "Holy Mother" the Catholic church and your "Holy Father" its Popes. Is that corrupt? Yes, it is.

Anyone who believes and teaches that Jesus would order man to stone and burn to death his brethren at the stake for all those reasons is truly morally and spiritually CORRUPT.


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ludlowlowell
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I can stand the truth Jesus revealed. But Jesus never said all were forgiven. He never said unrepentant sinners got a pass. He never said all would enter Heaven---in fact He said the opposite. He said that narrow are tge gates of Heaven and broad is the way that leads to dedtruction.

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bigd9832
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Quote from ludlowlowell... Jesus' mercy does not mean that anything goes. Jesus can and does send tousands to Hell every day. The parole board paroles, not all criminals, but only those criminals who have remorse.
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There is no "parole board." And there is no "hell" in the Scriptures. Therefore it follow that "tousands" are NOT sent to "hell" every day.

Judgment only happens when Jesus returns. Not until.


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Quote from ludlowlowell... Jesus made it very clear that Hell exists, that there is fire there, and that it is an everlasting fire.
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There is no evidence that Jesus ever used the word "hell." It seems that ludlow has been taking that LDS again.


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Quote from ludlowlowell... I can stand the truth Jesus revealed. But Jesus never said all were forgiven. He never said unrepentant sinners got a pass. He never said all would enter Heaven---in fact He said the opposite. He said that narrow are tge gates of Heaven and broad is the way that leads to dedtruction.
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ludlow is wrong again...

CLV Jn 3:35 "The Father is loving the Son and has given all into His hand.

CLV Jn 6:37 All that which the Father is giving to Me shall be arriving to Me, and he who is coming to Me I should under no circumstances be casting out,

CLV 1Ti 2:6 Who is giving Himself a correspondent Ransom for all (the testimony in its own eras),


God love all His creatures. Even mankind. The Scripture is loaded with references to the fact that salvation is for all mankind.

100 Scriptural Proofs That Jesus Christ Will Save All Mankind
https://DateHookup.dating/thread-1235334.htm

And ludlow has not been able to prove that there is a "hell."

The Catholic church lies and so does ludlow.

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ludlowlowell
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Jesus specifically used an Aramaic word for Hell sixteen times in scripture, and He made it abundantly clear that there is eternal fire there.

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bigd9832
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And what is it you think is the Aramaic word for Hell is? and how is it that we have no record of this?

There is no record of Jesus ever using the term "hell." No where. No way. No how.

The Catholic church leis and so does ludlow.

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kb2222
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Anyone who believes and teaches that Jesus would order man to stone and burn to death his brethren at the stake for all those reasons I have many times posted is truly morally and spiritually CONFUSED (CORRUPT).

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freegratis
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Matthew 10:28
10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in ???a garbage dump???.

Why should I fear a garbage dump? That would just kill the body.

This is not a symbol for hell?

Oh, Red Letter stuff too.

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freegratis
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Matthew 10:28
10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in ???a garbage dump???.

Why should I fear him which is able to destroy in a garbage dump? I fiery garbage dump would just kill the body.

This is not a symbol for hell?

Oh, Red Letter stuff too.

[Edit fail]

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kb2222
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Anyone who believes and teaches that Jesus would order man to stone and burn to death his brethren at the stake for all those reasons I have many times posted is truly morally and spiritually CONFUSED (CORRUPT).

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bigd9832
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CLV Mt 10:28 "And do not fear from those who are killing the body, yet are not able to kill the soul. Yet be fearing Him, rather, Who is able to destroy the soul as well as the body in Gehenna.

'Gehenna' is a ravine just outside of Jerusalem. It is situated on a sulfur deposit, which makes the fire burn hotter than normal. It was also used as a "potter's field" of sorts as vagrants and prisoners of Jerusalem would be "buried" there.

'Gehenna' is also called The Valley of Hinnom in the OT.

It was never intended to be used as a symbol for "hell."

But there is no "hell" in the Scriptures.

Also, see my thread...

'Sheol' and 'Hades' Are Fireless
https://DateHookup.dating/thread-1456038.htm

&

Welcome to sunny...Gehenna
https://DateHookup.dating/Thread-575330.htm

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ludlowlowell
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Jesus did in fact mean Gehenna to be a symbol of Hell.

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kb2222
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Anyone such as you, Ludlow, who believes and teaches that Jesus would order man to stone and burn to death his brethren at the stake for all those reasons I have many times posted is truly morally and spiritually CONFUSED (CORRUPT) and a disciple of SATAN.

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followjesusonly
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Quote from ludlowlowell:
Jesus did in fact mean Gehenna to be a symbol of Hell.


There is no reason for anyone to listen to anything you have to say until such time as you obey God. As it is, you show God and everyone that you do not love Him.

"If a man love me, he will keep my words."(John 14:23)
"He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings." (John 14:24)

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share_n_love
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Quote from ludlowlowell:
Jesus specifically used an Aramaic word for Hell sixteen times in scripture, and He made it abundantly clear that there is eternal fire there.


Mt 10:28,

28. "Do not fear those who kill the body but are powerless to kill the soul [Body, Life, and Spirit]. Rather, fear him who can destroy both soul and body in Gei-Hinnom [A continuous burning dump site].


You notice the word 'destroy'...NOT continuously being tortured.




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ludlowlowell
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"Destroy" in the sense that the person suffers a living destruction, a living death so to speak, in Hell forever.

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slowpoke7
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All of you low down blankety blank, so and so’s, that actually believe this or that about that or this are just as blank as a blankety blank blank. And that is a fact. Isn’t that right? How come you refuse to answer my question?

OOPS
    Now Where Did I Learn That Kind Of Stuff From    

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freegratis
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Quote from bigd9832:
CLV Mt 10:28 "And do not fear from those who are killing the body, yet are not able to kill the soul. Yet be fearing Him, rather, Who is able to destroy the soul as well as the body in Gehenna.

'Gehenna' is a ravine just outside of Jerusalem. It is situated on a sulfur deposit, which makes the fire burn hotter than normal. It was also used as a "potter's field" of sorts as vagrants and prisoners of Jerusalem would be "buried" there.

'Gehenna' is also called The Valley of Hinnom in the OT.

It was never intended to be used as a symbol for "hell."

But there is no "hell" in the Scriptures.

Also, see my thread...

'Sheol' and 'Hades' Are Fireless
https://DateHookup.dating/thread-1456038.htm

&

Welcome to sunny...Gehenna
https://DateHookup.dating/Thread-575330.htm


You posted this already. You are defining Gehenna as a garbage dump.

I asked, "Why should I fear him which is able to destroy in a garbage dump? I fiery garbage dump would just kill the body."

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freegratis
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Quote from share_n_love:
Mt 10:28,

28. "Do not fear those who kill the body but are powerless to kill the soul [Body, Life, and Spirit]. Rather, fear him who can destroy both soul and body in Gei-Hinnom [A continuous burning dump site].


You notice the word 'destroy'...NOT continuously being tortured.




So:
If I kill 1 person, and the Government can kill my body; and I am unsaved then God destroys my body and soul.


If I kill 1000 people, and the Government can kill my body; and I am unsaved then God destroys my body and soul.


Where is the punishment as in Luke 12:48?

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share_n_love
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Quote from freegratis:
So:
If I kill 1 person, and the Government can kill my body; and I am unsaved then God destroys my body and soul.


If I kill 1000 people, and the Government can kill my body; and I am unsaved then God destroys my body and soul.


Where is the punishment as in Luke 12:48?



Just because one is unsaved doesn't mean they are unaware of God's Laws. Once God put His Laws in people's hearts [mind] NO on earth is unaware of right & wrong because of the innateness of God's drawing them to Him.

Those in the Tanakh/OT did not have God's Holy Spirit through the Comforter, and therefore collective sacrifices for breaking the Law was the norm, but Yahshua while in the grave visited those in prison [unsaved] and they too had their chance to either accept Him or deny Him...1Pet 3:18-20,

18. For Christ also suffered for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body, but made alive in the spirit, 19. in which He also went and preached to the spirits in prison 20. who disobeyed long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah, while the ark was being built. In the ark a few people, only eight souls, were saved through water.




Note: You like others are trying to compare God's actions with man's actions and it cannot be done.

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cupocheer
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Assumption, IL
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Isn't what God said the most important thing?

You all are beating around the bush, going in circles.

The teaching is -- don't be afraid of the one who can take your physical life; but be fearful of God who gives eternal life.

God's punishment will be returned unto you as you have punished others.

Jesus said, love your enemies; and bless those who curse you and pray for those who mistreat you.

God is the final judgement -- not humankind

[God's judgement is the 'destroying fire'.]

Everything can not be taken 'literally'. Research what the original biblical languages MEANT, not what modern languages translated them to mean.

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freegratis
Irving, TX
50, joined Dec. 2011


Quote from share_n_love:
Just because one is unsaved doesn't mean they are unaware of God's Laws. Once God put His Laws in people's hearts [mind] NO on earth is unaware of right & wrong because of the innateness of God's drawing them to Him.

Those in the Tanakh/OT did not have God's Holy Spirit through the Comforter, and therefore collective sacrifices for breaking the Law was the norm, but Yahshua while in the grave visited those in prison [unsaved] and they too had their chance to either accept Him or deny Him...1Pet 3:18-20,

18. For Christ also suffered for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body, but made alive in the spirit, 19. in which He also went and preached to the spirits in prison 20. who disobeyed long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah, while the ark was being built. In the ark a few people, only eight souls, were saved through water.




Note: You like others are trying to compare God's actions with man's actions and it cannot be done.


You seem to be discussing saved vs unsaved. Let's call it those whose sin the LORD does not count against them, vs those whose sin the LORD does count against them. Psalm 32:2.

Two people whose sin the LORD does count against them commit murder. 1 kills 1, while the other kills 1000.

Let's say the Government executes them for their crimes. The Government kills their bodies.

Where is the punishment of a just God?
If Yeshuah paid for their sins, then the LORD ought not count their sin against them as it has already been paid for.

If Yeshuah did not pay for their sins (which I believe is the case for these 2 murderers), and the LORD does count their sins against them, all that will happen is their destruction? If so, the one who only murdered 1 person got the same penalty as the one who murdered 1000.

You know what? Maybe that is the case, just like everyone got the same wage in Matthew 20:1-16?

But there is that many or few lashes verse in Luke 12:48.



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cupocheer
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Luke 12:48

Give a hateful, you get a hateful blow.

Give a hateful blow, you receive love.

Give a hateful blow, you get a hateful blow.

Give a hateful blow, you get prayed for.

Jesus did not come to bring peace, he came to divide (the haters from the lovers).

[VBS: Pre-school]

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share_n_love
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Quote from freegratis:
You seem to be discussing saved vs unsaved. Let's call it those whose sin the LORD does not count against them, vs those whose sin the LORD does count against them. Psalm 32:2.

Two people whose sin the LORD does count against them commit murder. 1 kills 1, while the other kills 1000.

Let's say the Government executes them for their crimes. The Government kills their bodies.

Where is the punishment of a just God?
If Yeshuah paid for their sins, then the LORD ought not count their sin against them as it has already been paid for.

If Yeshuah did not pay for their sins (which I believe is the case for these 2 murderers), and the LORD does count their sins against them, all that will happen is their destruction? If so, the one who only murdered 1 person got the same penalty as the one who murdered 1000.

You know what? Maybe that is the case, just like everyone got the same wage in Matthew 20:1-16?

But there is that many or few lashes verse in Luke 12:48.


With all due respect, Yahshua did NOT 'pay' for mankind's sins, this is a Christian concept. He fulfilled the Jealousy Law in Num 5, so that God could re-marry Israel and bring Israel & the Gentiles together as one through His GRACE of forgiveness.

Yes Mt 20:1-16 applies as does:

Mt 25:14-30 [Parable of the Talents]
Luke 15:11-32 [Prodigal Son]






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freegratis
Irving, TX
50, joined Dec. 2011


Do not fear those who kill the body but are powerless to kill the soul [Body, Life, and Spirit]. Rather, fear him who can destroy both soul and body in Gei-Hinnom

If there is no eternal hell/suffering/punishment, it seems more like unsaved should Love God when they learn their only penalty is eternal destruction rather than suffering.

Where is the fear?

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slowpoke7
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Hendersonville, TN
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Forgive me if I may be off topic but as far as punishment goes then what exactly is Jesus referring to in (Mark 9:43-48) KJV - when He says the worm dieth not?

(43) And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:

(44) Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

(45) And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:

(46) Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

(47) And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire:

(48) Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

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freegratis
Irving, TX
50, joined Dec. 2011


Quote from share_n_love:
With all due respect, Yahshua did NOT 'pay' for mankind's sins, this is a Christian concept. He fulfilled the Jealousy Law in Num 5, so that God could re-marry Israel and bring Israel & the Gentiles together as one through His GRACE of forgiveness.

Yes Mt 20:1-16 applies as does:

Mt 25:14-30 [Parable of the Talents]
Luke 15:11-32 [Prodigal Son]




Some quote John 3:16 as if Jesus paid for all mankind's sins. I disagree. I believe that is only for those who believe.

Mt 25:14-30 [Parable of the Talents] is similar to Luke 19:11-27, but the good are put in charge of cities (which sounds like the millennial reign), but the last verse says slay the evil (which sounds like destruction), while the last verse of Mt sounds like suffering.