I and the Father, We are one

9/28/2016 11:03:57 AM	I and the Father, We are one
freegratis Irving, TX 50, joined Dec. 2011	How can 2 be 1? How can we be one? John 10:30 CLV I and the Father, We are one Deuteronomy 6:4 CLV Hear, Israel! Yahweh is our Elohim; Yahweh the only One KJV “Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one! Why is Genesis 1:1 and Deuteronomy 6:4 using the plural Elohim? I've heard the deluded so-called Jehovah Witnesses claim this plural word means God's majesty. And that the Holy Spirit is merely a force. How do you grieve a force? Ephesians 4:30 KJV And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption. Oh nice, the CLV says "causing sorrow" Ephesians 4:30 CLV And do not be causing sorrow to the holy spirit of God by which you are sealed for the day of deliverance. That sounds like the regret God felt in Genesis 6:6 And regretting is Yahweh Elohim that He made humanity on the earth, and grieving to His heart. We are instructed to not blaspheme this Holy Spirit. What does blaspheme apply to in these verses? Some sacred object apart from God? Matthew 12:31 KJV Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men. 32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come. Matthew 12:31 CLV Therefore I am saying to you, Every sin and blasphemy shall be pardoned men, yet the blasphemy of the spirit shall not be pardoned." 32 And whosoever may be saying a word against the Son of Mankind, it will be pardoned him, yet whoever may be saying aught against the holy spirit, it shall not be pardoned him, neither in this eon nor in that which is impending." Revelations 22:17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely. -freegratis Meet singles at DateHookup.dating, we're 100% free! Join now!
9/28/2016 11:18:54 AM	I and the Father, We are one
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 64, joined Feb. 2008	Actually, There are Three in One. Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are Three Persons, but one God (the Trinity). How can this be? That is a mystery that is above the human mind or imagination, but true Christians believe it because the Church teaches it. St. Augustine was walking down the beach one day, trying to figure a way of teaching the concept of the Trinity to the people, when He came upon a small boy digging a hole in the sand. "What are you doing, son?", asked Augustine. "I'm digging a hole and I'm going to put the whole sea in it", the boy said. Augustine smiled and walked away, but the thought occurred to him---the small human mind trying to understand the Trinity is like the small hole trying to contain the entire Mediterranean Sea---it can't be done.
9/28/2016 11:39:09 AM	I and the Father, We are one
bigd9832 Chicago, IL 64, joined Oct. 2007	A couple you forgot... CLV Jn 17:11 And no longer am I in the world, and they are in the world, and I to Thee am coming. Holy Father, keep them in Thy name, in which Thou hast given them to Me, that they may be one, according as We are. CLV Jn 17:21 that they may all be one, according as Thou, Father, art in Me, and I in Thee, that they also may be in Us, that the world should be believing that Thou dost commission Me. CLV 1C 15:28 Now, whenever all may be subjected to Him, then the Son Himself also shall be subjected to Him Who subjects all to Him, that God may be All in all. ludlow skipped his meds again. The Catholic church lies and so does ludlow.
9/28/2016 11:40:20 AM	I and the Father, We are one
bigd9832 Chicago, IL 64, joined Oct. 2007	From an older post... I have already cited several reasons that there is no 'trinity' in the Scriptures. I have heard no evidence to support this theory. I have seen no evidence to the contrary of what I have already stated. So far, no one has come forward with any Scriptures to disprove these points. 1. Nowhere in the Scriptures does Jesus call Himself God. 2. Nowhere in the Scriptures is God referred to as three or three in one... CLV Dt 6:4 Hear, Israel! Yahweh is our Elohim; Yahweh the only One. 3. Jesus told us that we could all become One with the Father (John 17:11), like He is... CLV Jn 17:11 And no longer am I in the world, and they are in the world, and I to Thee am coming. Holy Father, keep them in Thy name, in which Thou hast given them to Me, that they may be one, according as We are. CLV Jn 17:21 that they may all be one, according as Thou, Father, art in Me, and I in Thee, that they also may be in Us, that the world should be believing that Thou dost commission Me. CLV 1C 15:28 Now, whenever all may be subjected to Him, then the Son Himself also shall be subjected to Him Who subjects all to Him, that God may be All in all. 4. Jesus told us we are all gods... AV Jn 10:33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God. 34. Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? 35. If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; CLV Jn 10:33 The Jews answered Him, "For an ideal act we are not stoning you, but for blasphemy, and that you, being a man, are making yourself God." 34. Jesus answered them, "Is it not written in your law, that `I say you are gods'? 35. If He said those were gods, to whom the word of God came (and the scripture can not be annulled) 5. Plural does not necessarily mean three. If God is represented as plural in Genesis, this is not 'proof' that He is a trinity. Plural is more than one. It could mean 2, 20, 200, 20,000, etc. I learned that in grammar school. 6. The Jews have no trinity. Ask any Jew about this... AV Mk 12:29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments [is], Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: CLV Mk 12:29 Jesus answered him that "The foremost precept of all is: Hear, Israel! the Lord our God is one Lord. He said ONE here, not three in one. Right? Anyone who uses the OT for evidence of a 'trinity' is attempting to re-write history, the Scriptures, and the traditions and beliefs of the Jews. He/she would be taking the Ancient writings of another culture and forcing it to comply with their own beliefs. In effect, trying to destroy an Ancient foreign culture. 7. Jesus speaks to the Father as if He is a separate entity, not the same being as Himself. And, according to these verses, they have had this same relationship for quiet some time... AV John 17:4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do. 5. And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was. CLV John 17:4 "I glorify Thee on the earth, finishing the work which Thou hast given Me, that I should be doing it. 5. "And now glorify Thou Me, Father, with Thyself, with the glory which I had before the world is with Thee. and again... AV Mt 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? [there is] none good but one, [that is], God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. CLV Mt 19:17 Yet He said to him, "any/Why are you asking Me concerning good? One is good. Yet if you are wanting to be entering into life, keep the precepts." If God and Jesus were the same, would Jesus have denied being good here? once more... CLV Mk 13:32 "Now concerning that day or hour no one is aware--neither the messengers in heaven, nor the Son--except the Father. How could God keep that information from Himself? Also see Matt.3:17, 17:5, 26:39, Mark 1:11, 10:18, 15:34, Lk 3:22, 23:46, John 5:30, 14:28, 20:17, 1Cor.11:3, Col 3:1, 1Tim. 2:5 8. Oh yeah. The word 'trinity' is absent from the Scriptures. I never tire of writing that.
9/28/2016 11:47:16 AM	I and the Father, We are one
kb2222 Jacksonville, FL 76, joined Apr. 2011	The Trinity is only a mystery to the unenlightened. THE Paradise Trinity of eternal Deities facilitates the Father’s escape from personality absolutism. The Trinity perfectly associates the limitless expression of God’s infinite personal will with the absoluteness of Deity. The Eternal Son and the various Sons of divine origin, together with the Conjoint Actor and his universe children, effectively provide for the Father’s liberation from the limitations otherwise inherent in primacy, perfection, changelessness, eternity, universality, absoluteness, and infinity. -TUB You can read more at... http://www.urantia.org/urantia-book-standardized/paper-10-paradise-trinity
9/28/2016 12:04:25 PM	I and the Father, We are one
bigd9832 Chicago, IL 64, joined Oct. 2007	There is no "trinity" in the Bible.
9/28/2016 1:07:10 PM	I and the Father, We are one
kb2222 Jacksonville, FL 76, joined Apr. 2011	All the more reason to seek understanding elsewhere, bigd, and I suggest you read my post above, use the link provided and enlightened yourself.
9/28/2016 1:49:02 PM	I and the Father, We are one
bigd9832 Chicago, IL 64, joined Oct. 2007	There is no "trinity" in the Bible. I suggest you read my post from above and enlighten yourself. Oh that's right. You are insane.
9/28/2016 2:00:19 PM	I and the Father, We are one
kb2222 Jacksonville, FL 76, joined Apr. 2011	I didn't say there was but there is and you are just being stupid to limit your understanding to what's in the Bible.
9/28/2016 2:08:06 PM	I and the Father, We are one
bigd9832 Chicago, IL 64, joined Oct. 2007	I have already cited several reasons that there is no 'trinity' in the Scriptures. I have heard no evidence to support this theory. I have seen no evidence to the contrary of what I have already stated. So far, no one has come forward with any Scriptures to disprove these points. 1. Nowhere in the Scriptures does Jesus call Himself God. 2. Nowhere in the Scriptures is God referred to as three or three in one... CLV Dt 6:4 Hear, Israel! Yahweh is our Elohim; Yahweh the only One. 3. Jesus told us that we could all become One with the Father (John 17:11), like He is... CLV Jn 17:11 And no longer am I in the world, and they are in the world, and I to Thee am coming. Holy Father, keep them in Thy name, in which Thou hast given them to Me, that they may be one, according as We are. CLV Jn 17:21 that they may all be one, according as Thou, Father, art in Me, and I in Thee, that they also may be in Us, that the world should be believing that Thou dost commission Me. CLV 1C 15:28 Now, whenever all may be subjected to Him, then the Son Himself also shall be subjected to Him Who subjects all to Him, that God may be All in all. 4. Jesus told us we are all gods... AV Jn 10:33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God. 34. Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? 35. If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; CLV Jn 10:33 The Jews answered Him, "For an ideal act we are not stoning you, but for blasphemy, and that you, being a man, are making yourself God." 34. Jesus answered them, "Is it not written in your law, that `I say you are gods'? 35. If He said those were gods, to whom the word of God came (and the scripture can not be annulled) 5. Plural does not necessarily mean three. If God is represented as plural in Genesis, this is not 'proof' that He is a trinity. Plural is more than one. It could mean 2, 20, 200, 20,000, etc. I learned that in grammar school. 6. The Jews have no trinity. Ask any Jew about this... AV Mk 12:29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments [is], Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: CLV Mk 12:29 Jesus answered him that "The foremost precept of all is: Hear, Israel! the Lord our God is one Lord. He said ONE here, not three in one. Right? Anyone who uses the OT for evidence of a 'trinity' is attempting to re-write history, the Scriptures, and the traditions and beliefs of the Jews. He/she would be taking the Ancient writings of another culture and forcing it to comply with their own beliefs. In effect, trying to destroy an Ancient foreign culture. 7. Jesus speaks to the Father as if He is a separate entity, not the same being as Himself. And, according to these verses, they have had this same relationship for quiet some time... AV John 17:4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do. 5. And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was. CLV John 17:4 "I glorify Thee on the earth, finishing the work which Thou hast given Me, that I should be doing it. 5. "And now glorify Thou Me, Father, with Thyself, with the glory which I had before the world is with Thee. and again... AV Mt 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? [there is] none good but one, [that is], God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. CLV Mt 19:17 Yet He said to him, "any/Why are you asking Me concerning good? One is good. Yet if you are wanting to be entering into life, keep the precepts." If God and Jesus were the same, would Jesus have denied being good here? once more... CLV Mk 13:32 "Now concerning that day or hour no one is aware--neither the messengers in heaven, nor the Son--except the Father. How could God keep that information from Himself? Also see Matt.3:17, 17:5, 26:39, Mark 1:11, 10:18, 15:34, Lk 3:22, 23:46, John 5:30, 14:28, 20:17, 1Cor.11:3, Col 3:1, 1Tim. 2:5 8. Oh yeah. The word 'trinity' is absent from the Scriptures. I never tire of writing that.
9/28/2016 2:09:01 PM	I and the Father, We are one
bigd9832 Chicago, IL 64, joined Oct. 2007	That's funny. It almost looks like the insane are talking to me. LOL
9/28/2016 2:34:10 PM	I and the Father, We are one
followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 74, joined May. 2012	Your posts are descending into childishness. Quote from ludlowlowell: Actually, There are Three in One. Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are Three Persons, but one God (the Trinity). How can this be? That is a mystery that is above the human mind or imagination, but true Christians believe it because the Church teaches it. People believe it because they want to believe it, not because your stinking sect teaches it. You need to stop linking everything in the universe to your stinking, irrelevant sect. St. Augustine was walking down the beach one day, trying to figure a way of teaching the concept of the Trinity to the people, when He came upon a small boy digging a hole in the sand. Do you understand the concept of "dead"? St. Augustine never walked down any beaches nor did he ever utter a single word. Dead men don't walk on the beach or do any talking. "Dead men tell no tales." Have you ever heard that? There was NO MAN alive named "St. Augustine." "What are you doing, son?", asked Augustine. That's better. "I'm digging a hole and I'm going to put the whole sea in it", the boy said. Augustine smiled and walked away, but the thought occurred to him---the small human mind trying to understand the Trinity is like the small hole trying to contain the entire Mediterranean Sea---it can't be done. Similarly exactly, your small human mind cannot understand 700,000 divine personalities who are all God. I just hope Augustine didn't molest that little boy.
9/28/2016 3:08:11 PM	I and the Father, We are one
kb2222 Jacksonville, FL 76, joined Apr. 2011	Bigd says: That's funny. It almost looks like the insane are talking to me. LOL Again, I didn't say there was but there is and you are just being stupid to limit your understanding to what's in the Bible. And speaking of insanity. I say those like you, bigd. who believe Jesus would order man to stone and burn people to death at the stake for any reason let alone all of these reasons are truly the INSANE ones. Kill People Who Don't Listen to Priests (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT) Kill Witches (Exodus 22:17 NAB) Kill Homosexuals (Leviticus 20:13 NAB) Kill Fortunetellers (Leviticus 20:27 NAB) Death for Hitting Dad (Exodus 21:15 NAB) Death for Cursing Parents (Proverbs 20:20 NAB, Leviticus 20:9 NLT) Death for Adultery (Leviticus 20:10 NLT) Death for Fornication (Leviticus 21:9 NAB) Death to Followers of Other Religions (Exodus 22:19 NAB) Kill Nonbelievers (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB) Kill False Prophets (Zechariah 13:3 NAB) Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God (Deuteronomy 13:13-18 NLT) Kill Women Who Are Not Virgins On Their Wedding Night (Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB) Kill Followers of Other Religions. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB, Deuteronomy 17:2-5 NLT) Death for Blasphemy (Leviticus 24:10-16 NLT) Kill False Prophets (Deuteronomy 13:1-5 NLT, Deuteronomy 18:20-22 NLT) Infidels and Gays Should Die (Romans 1:24-32 NLT) Kill Anyone who Approaches the Tabernacle (Numbers 1:48-51 NLT) Kill People for Working on the Sabbath (Exodus 31:12-15 NLT) Kill Sons of Sinners (Isaiah 14:21 NAB)
9/28/2016 3:15:17 PM	I and the Father, We are one
freegratis Irving, TX 50, joined Dec. 2011	(this post has been flagged as inappropriate, sorry.) [Edited 9/28/2016 3:17:33 PM ]
9/28/2016 3:22:24 PM	I and the Father, We are one
followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 74, joined May. 2012	Quote from kb2222: I didn't say there was but there is and you are just being stupid to limit your understanding to what's in the Bible. OK, OK. Bigd is a bible person. Whether or not he limits his understanding to the bible is his business. If Bigd says, "There is no "trinity" in the Bible." and if that's true, which it is, then why not let it go? Why get into a fight with Bigd over something he said that is technically true, and that doesn't matter to one's salvation either way? Bigd didn't say there is no Trinity. He said, "There is no "trinity" in the Bible." That's good enough for Bigd. Why get into an argument about that with Bigd? Did he say something wrong? No, he didn't. It's true. "Trinity" is not in the bible. Whether or not one believes in a Trinity will have no effect whatsoever on one's salvation chances. Nor is saying "There is no "trinity" in the Bible," blasphemous in any way. So if it has no effect on one's salvation and it's not blasphemy, why say he's "stupid" to say "There is no "trinity" in the Bible."? YOU can't prove there is a Trinity, so why get into an argument about it? Quoting material from The Urantia Book about the Trinity is not proof. I don't understand saying Bigd is "just being stupid to limit [his] understanding to what's in the Bible." It's an unnecessary argument and an unnecessary argument starting insult. Bigd is a bible person and he's not into The Urantia Book and saying he's stupid for not being into The Urantia Book is not going to help. You cannot browbeat bigd (or anyone) into The Urantia Book or away from their bible beliefs by saying he or they are stupid for limiting their understanding to what's in the bible. And you cannot "prove" anything to anyone by quoting The Urantia Book. Yes, of course, I believe in the Trinity and in The Urantia Book's explanations, but they are not "proof" of anything to anyone else. It looked like you offered your TUB quote as "proof" of some sort. It's not proof for non believers in the book. The long and the short of it (imo) is that Bigd is right when he says, "There is no "trinity" in the Bible." Why get into an argument about that? "There is no "trinity" in the Bible" is a self standing fact about what's in the bible. Why argue about it? Let some things slide if they don't matter one way or the other.
9/28/2016 3:26:38 PM	I and the Father, We are one
followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 74, joined May. 2012	Quote from kb2222: All the more reason to seek understanding elsewhere, bigd, and I suggest you read my post above, use the link provided and enlightened yourself. Sigh. This won't work. There is no "elsewhere" to a true bible believing person.
9/28/2016 4:02:25 PM	I and the Father, We are one
kb2222 Jacksonville, FL 76, joined Apr. 2011	Quote from followjesusonly: Sigh. This won't work. There is no "elsewhere" to a true bible believing person. You're right and that's surely what Satan wants. Closed-minded book worshippers who believe Jesus is as murderous as those who killed Him.
9/28/2016 4:21:08 PM	I and the Father, We are one
kb2222 Jacksonville, FL 76, joined Apr. 2011	What a tantrum. I didn't pick a fight. I just made a short one sentence response to him saying "There is no trinity in the Bible." And I do think its stupid for professed truth seeking Christians to subordinate their mind to a book the church compiled claiming its all Gods truth/word no matter what it says or what Jesus taught. And if he doesn't want to read at the link I provided that's okay with me. Why get so upset about it, FJO? Quote from followjesusonly: OK, OK. Bigd is a bible person. Whether or not he limits his understanding to the bible is his business. If Bigd says, "There is no "trinity" in the Bible." and if that's true, which it is, then why not let it go? Why get into a fight with Bigd over something he said that is technically true, and that doesn't matter to one's salvation either way? Bigd didn't say there is no Trinity. He said, "There is no "trinity" in the Bible." That's good enough for Bigd. Why get into an argument about that with Bigd? Did he say something wrong? No, he didn't. It's true. "Trinity" is not in the bible. Whether or not one believes in a Trinity will have no effect whatsoever on one's salvation chances. Nor is saying "There is no "trinity" in the Bible," blasphemous in any way. So if it has no effect on one's salvation and it's not blasphemy, why say he's "stupid" to say "There is no "trinity" in the Bible."? YOU can't prove there is a Trinity, so why get into an argument about it? Quoting material from The Urantia Book about the Trinity is not proof. I don't understand saying Bigd is "just being stupid to limit [his] understanding to what's in the Bible." It's an unnecessary argument and an unnecessary argument starting insult. Bigd is a bible person and he's not into The Urantia Book and saying he's stupid for not being into The Urantia Book is not going to help. You cannot browbeat bigd (or anyone) into The Urantia Book or away from their bible beliefs by saying he or they are stupid for limiting their understanding to what's in the bible. And you cannot "prove" anything to anyone by quoting The Urantia Book. Yes, of course, I believe in the Trinity and in The Urantia Book's explanations, but they are not "proof" of anything to anyone else. It looked like you offered your TUB quote as "proof" of some sort. It's not proof for non believers in the book. The long and the short of it (imo) is that Bigd is right when he says, "There is no "trinity" in the Bible." Why get into an argument about that? "There is no "trinity" in the Bible" is a self standing fact about what's in the bible. Why argue about it? Let some things slide if they don't matter one way or the other.
9/28/2016 4:35:30 PM	I and the Father, We are one
share_n_love Fort Wayne, IN 61, joined Dec. 2012	I have posted this many times in the past years: In Hebrew and Aramaic, a noun or pronoun is not plural by itself, it becomes plural by whether the verb used is plural or singular. The word Elohim possesses a plural intensive syntax and is singular in meaning. In Hebrew, the suffix (im), mainly indicates a masculine plural. However with Elohim the construction is grammatically singular, (i.e. it governs a singular verb or adjective) when referring to the God of Israel, but grammatically plural elohim (i.e. taking a plural verb or adjective) when used of pagan divinities (Psalms 96:5; 97:7). This is self-evident from the fact that the verb “created” (bara) in Genesis 1:1 is in the singular. This linguistic pattern is well known and widely used throughout the Jewish Scriptures. For example, I am certain that many readers are familiar with the Hebrew word (chayim), meaning “life.” Notice that this word contains the identical plural suffix “im,” as in Elohim, yet it repeatedly means “life”, in the singular, throughout the Bible. Examples are: There is NO trinity... [Edited 9/28/2016 4:36:20 PM ]
9/28/2016 4:49:43 PM	I and the Father, We are one
freegratis Irving, TX 50, joined Dec. 2011	followURANTIAonly, Did you read my first post in this topic about Genesis 6:6 regret? Also, one time you asked why would God command something to do which you (we humans) are incapable of doing. I believe that is why Jesus the Word who was God and who was with God (John 1:1) emptied Himself of glory and became human Philippians 2, so that a human would fulfill God's commands. But recall that Jesus, after forgiving the adulteress said, "go and sin no more". Which I am saying is equivalent to a command to be perfect as in Matthew 5:48. So yes, you should try not to sin, but you will fail. http://biblehub.com/interlinear/john/8-11.htm How is loving the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself going? Again, the solution (due to our failures) is to trust in Jesus and His death and resurrection according to the scriptures also layed out in 1 Corinthians 15. What does Urantia say about the Resurrection? That is the key to destroying our Christian Gospel, if it could be done. 1 Cor 15:14 And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain. By your faith, I mean us Christians. Steve, http://biblehub.com/interlinear/john/1.htm JW rewrote their bible and say the "Word was a god", if I recall their text. Oh no need to recall. Here it is https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/nwt/books/john/1/ Hmmm CLV is getting kind of cooky. In the beginning was the word, and the word was toward God, and God was the word.
9/28/2016 5:17:16 PM	I and the Father, We are one
freegratis Irving, TX 50, joined Dec. 2011	Quote from share_n_love: I have posted this many times in the past years: In Hebrew and Aramaic, a noun or pronoun is not plural by itself, it becomes plural by whether the verb used is plural or singular. The word Elohim possesses a plural intensive syntax and is singular in meaning. In Hebrew, the suffix (im), mainly indicates a masculine plural. However with Elohim the construction is grammatically singular, (i.e. it governs a singular verb or adjective) when referring to the God of Israel, but grammatically plural elohim (i.e. taking a plural verb or adjective) when used of pagan divinities (Psalms 96:5; 97:7). This is self-evident from the fact that the verb “created” (bara) in Genesis 1:1 is in the singular. This linguistic pattern is well known and widely used throughout the Jewish Scriptures. For example, I am certain that many readers are familiar with the Hebrew word (chayim), meaning “life.” Notice that this word contains the identical plural suffix “im,” as in Elohim, yet it repeatedly means “life”, in the singular, throughout the Bible. Examples are: There is NO trinity... This is the best counter I've seen to Gen 1:1 plural Elohim and I was going to ask if the verb is singular or plural. Maybe a better example supporting your argument is Psalm 104:30? Is there a case of Noun/Pronoun created where created is plural? Psalm 104:30 has "are" between they and created. What about Genesis 1:26? I don't see a way to parse the pronoun us separate from make to verify gender and singular/plural. Not ready to drop that worldview since this could just be the One aspect, and the other verses I quoted -- I AM, and forgiveness of sins.
9/28/2016 5:21:15 PM	I and the Father, We are one
followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 74, joined May. 2012	Quote from kb2222: What a tantrum. I didn't pick a fight. I just made a short one sentence response to him saying "There is no trinity in the Bible." And I do think its stupid for professed truth seeking Christians to subordinate their mind to a book the church compiled claiming its all Gods truth/word no matter what it says or what Jesus taught. And if he doesn't want to read at the link I provided that's okay with me. Why get so upset about it, FJO? Lots of things are stupid in this world, but if you go around telling everyone they are stupid, pretty soon no one will talk to you. And isn't that what happens here on DH? You picked an unnecessary fight right here: "you are just being stupid to limit your understanding to what's in the Bible." And for what? The Trinity?
9/28/2016 5:27:44 PM	I and the Father, We are one
followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 74, joined May. 2012	Quote from freegratis: followURANTIAonly, Did you read my first post in this topic about Genesis 6:6 regret? I don't think I read it. I hope you didn't waste your time writing it just for me. I don't believe God can have any regrets or make mistakes. I believe God is a perfect, omniscient being. Once apologetics gets too twisted and convoluted, I stop reading it. Apologetics tends to be, or can be, loaded with sophistries. Sophistries make my head hurt.
9/28/2016 5:50:23 PM	I and the Father, We are one
kb2222 Jacksonville, FL 76, joined Apr. 2011	Quote from followjesusonly: Lots of things are stupid in this world, but if you go around telling everyone they are stupid, pretty soon no one will talk to you. And isn't that what happens here on DH? You picked an unnecessary fight right here: "you are just being stupid to limit your understanding to what's in the Bible." And for what? The Trinity? I didn't pick a fight and the only argument I have is with you making all sorts of "proof" assertions that I didn't assert. And again I say I do think its stupid for professed truth seeking Christians to subordinate their mind to a book the church compiled claiming its all Gods truth/word no matter what it says or what Jesus taught. Don't you? And if that offends anyone so be it. Bigd knows the Bible or he thinks he does but he keeps me blocked and calls me insane behind my back while refusing to say if he actually believes Jesus would order man to stone and burn people to death at the stake and you get upset with me for calling him "stupid"?
9/28/2016 9:03:11 PM	I and the Father, We are one
followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 74, joined May. 2012	Quote from kb2222: I didn't pick a fight and the only argument I have is with you making all sorts of "proof" assertions that I didn't assert. And again I say I do think its stupid for professed truth seeking Christians to subordinate their mind to a book the church compiled claiming its all Gods truth/word no matter what it says or what Jesus taught. Don't you? And if that offends anyone so be it. Bigd knows the Bible or he thinks he does but he keeps me blocked and calls me insane behind my back... And you have NO idea why that happens, right? 180:5.5 The golden rule, when literally interpreted, may become the instrument of great offense to one’s fellows. Without a spiritual discernment of the golden rule of wisdom you might reason that, since you are desirous that all men speak the full and frank truth of their minds to you, you should therefore fully and frankly speak the full thought of your mind to your fellow beings. Such an unspiritual interpretation of the golden rule might result in untold unhappiness and no end of sorrow.
9/28/2016 11:57:53 PM	I and the Father, We are one
prophetic774 Winter Haven, FL 66, joined Feb. 2011	IS OUR FATHER AND JESUS CHRIST OUR GOD AND CREATOR??? John 1:1-4,10,14: In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the WORD WAS GOD He was with God in the beginning. Through Him all things were made, that has been made. In Him was Life and that Life was the light of men... He was in the world, and though the world was made through Him, the world did not recognize Him... The Word became flesh and dwelt among us!! John 20:28: Thomas said to Him, "MY LORD AND MY GOD!" Hebrews 1:1-4,6-8: In the past God spoke to our forefathers through the prophets at many times and in various ways, but in these last days He has spoken to us by His Son, which He appointed heir of all things , and through Whom He made the universe. The Son is the radiance of God's glory and the exact representation of His being sustaining all things by His powerful Word. After He had provided purification for sins , He sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven... God says, "Let all God's angels WORSHIP HIM." In speaking of the angels He says, "He makes His angels winds, his servants flames of fire. But about the Son He says, "Your throne O GOD will last for ever and ever. According to Revelation 22:3 there will be only TWO THRONES in the Heavenly eternal New Jerusalem. "The throne of God and of the Lamb will be in the city." Revelation 3:21: Jesus says, "To him who overcomes, I will give the right to sit with Me on My throne, just as I overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne!!" Revelation 22:8,9: John said, I fell down to worship at the feet of the angel who had been showing them to me. But the angel said to me, "Do not do it! I m a fellow servant with you and with your brothers, the prophets and all who keep the words of this book. WORSHIP GOD!!" Matthew 26:28: Jesus says, "This is My blood of the Covenant, which is poured out for many FOR THE FORGIVENEESS OF SINS!! NOTE: Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior is called the LAMB 30 times in the book of Revelation. Revelation 5:9,12-14: "You are worthy to take the scroll and open its seals, because You were slain, and WITH YOUR BLOOD YOU PURCHASED MEN FOR GOD from every tribe and language and people and nation!!"... "Worthy is the Lamb who was slain, to receive power and wealth and wisdom and strength and honor and glory and praise!" Then I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and under the earth and on the sea, and all that is in them, singing: "To Him who sits on the throne and to the Lamb be praise and honor and glory and power, for ever and ever!!" The 4 Living Creatures said, "Amen," and the elders fell down and WORSHIPED!! Titus 3:4: But when the kindness and love of GOD OUR SAVIOR appeared, He saved us, not because of righteous things we had done, but because of HIS MERCY!! Titus 2:13 We wait for the BLESSED HOPE---the glorious APPEARING of our great GOD AND SAVIOR**, Jesus Christ!!
9/29/2016 4:29:33 AM	I and the Father, We are one
bigd9832 Chicago, IL 64, joined Oct. 2007	Quote from ludlowlowell... Augustine smiled and walked away, but the thought occurred to him---the small human mind trying to understand the Trinity is like the small hole trying to contain the entire Mediterranean Sea---it can't be done. ********************************************************************************* Sure. When it is fictitious you can make up all kinds of things about it. There is no "trinity" in the Scriptures. The Catholic church lies and so does ludlow.
9/29/2016 5:01:21 AM	I and the Father, We are one
share_n_love Fort Wayne, IN 61, joined Dec. 2012	Quote from freegratis: This is the best counter I've seen to Gen 1:1 plural Elohim and I was going to ask if the verb is singular or plural. Maybe a better example supporting your argument is Psalm 104:30? Is there a case of Noun/Pronoun created where created is plural? Psalm 104:30 has "are" between they and created. What about Genesis 1:26? I don't see a way to parse the pronoun us separate from make to verify gender and singular/plural. Not ready to drop that worldview since this could just be the One aspect, and the other verses I quoted -- I AM, and forgiveness of sins. No argument here. People are free to believe as they choose, but unless that choosing is of truth they will be creating a different gospel.
9/29/2016 5:02:30 AM	I and the Father, We are one
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 64, joined Feb. 2008	Why does it have to be in scripture? It's taught by our holy mother the Church and that ought to be good enough. See 2 Thessalonians 2:15.
9/29/2016 8:06:34 AM	I and the Father, We are one
bigd9832 Chicago, IL 64, joined Oct. 2007	No. See 2Timothy 3:16 CLV 2Ti 3:16 All scripture is inspired by God, and is beneficial for teaching, for exposure, for correction, for discipline in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be equipped, fitted out for every good act. The Catholic church lies and so does ludlow.
9/29/2016 9:52:43 AM	I and the Father, We are one
kb2222 Jacksonville, FL 76, joined Apr. 2011	CLV 2Ti 3:16 All scripture is inspired by God, and is beneficial for teaching, for exposure, for correction, for discipline in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be equipped, fitted out for every good act. This is often quoted by you church indoctrinated book worshipping Christians and it is patently FALSE. God/Jesus does not inspire scripture that makes them out to be mass murderous of people for all sorts of ridiculous reasons. To believe God/Jesus orders man to kill his brothers and sisters for all the following reasons is tantamount to a total rejection of the true loving and caring nature of God that Jesus so divinely revealed. Such a false and murderous belief makes God/Jesus out to be as murderous as those who rejected and killed Him and it is blasphemous and inexcusable that you so-called "Christians" still believe this about God/Jesus simply because of church doctrine about the book they compiled. Are you all so morally and spiritually insane that you don't know it is evil wickedness to kill people for these reasons? Apparently you are and thus you will remain until you un-subordinate your mind to a book. Until then you are morally confused and spiritually lost in the wilderness which is what Satan desires of you. Kill People Who Don't Listen to Priests (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT) Kill Witches (Exodus 22:17 NAB) Kill Homosexuals (Leviticus 20:13 NAB) Kill Fortunetellers (Leviticus 20:27 NAB) Death for Hitting Dad (Exodus 21:15 NAB) Death for Cursing Parents (Proverbs 20:20 NAB, Leviticus 20:9 NLT) Death for Adultery (Leviticus 20:10 NLT) Death for Fornication (Leviticus 21:9 NAB) Death to Followers of Other Religions (Exodus 22:19 NAB) Kill Nonbelievers (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB) Kill False Prophets (Zechariah 13:3 NAB) Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God (Deuteronomy 13:13-18 NLT) Kill Women Who Are Not Virgins On Their Wedding Night (Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB) Kill Followers of Other Religions. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB, Deuteronomy 17:2-5 NLT) Death for Blasphemy (Leviticus 24:10-16 NLT) Kill False Prophets (Deuteronomy 13:1-5 NLT, Deuteronomy 18:20-22 NLT) Infidels and Gays Should Die (Romans 1:24-32 NLT) Kill Anyone who Approaches the Tabernacle (Numbers 1:48-51 NLT) Kill People for Working on the Sabbath (Exodus 31:12-15 NLT) Kill Sons of Sinners (Isaiah 14:21 NAB)
10/1/2016 7:46:17 PM	I and the Father, We are one
kb2222 Jacksonville, FL 76, joined Apr. 2011	Quote from kb2222: Quote from bigd9832:CLV 2Ti 3:16 All scripture is inspired by God, and is beneficial for teaching, for exposure, for correction, for discipline in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be equipped, fitted out for every good act. This is often quoted by you church indoctrinated book worshipping Christians and it is patently FALSE. God/Jesus does not inspire scripture that makes them out to be mass murderous of people for all sorts of ridiculous reasons. To believe God/Jesus orders man to kill his brothers and sisters for all the following reasons is tantamount to a total rejection of the true loving and caring nature of God that Jesus so divinely revealed. Such a false and murderous belief makes God/Jesus out to be as murderous as those who rejected and killed Him and it is blasphemous and inexcusable that you so-called "Christians" still believe this about God/Jesus simply because of church doctrine about the book they compiled. Are you all so morally and spiritually insane that you don't know it is evil wickedness to kill people for these reasons? Apparently you are and thus you will remain until you un-subordinate your mind to a book. Until then you are morally confused and spiritually lost in the wilderness which is what Satan desires of you. Kill People Who Don't Listen to Priests (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT) Kill Witches (Exodus 22:17 NAB) Kill Homosexuals (Leviticus 20:13 NAB) Kill Fortunetellers (Leviticus 20:27 NAB) Death for Hitting Dad (Exodus 21:15 NAB) Death for Cursing Parents (Proverbs 20:20 NAB, Leviticus 20:9 NLT) Death for Adultery (Leviticus 20:10 NLT) Death for Fornication (Leviticus 21:9 NAB) Death to Followers of Other Religions (Exodus 22:19 NAB) Kill Nonbelievers (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB) Kill False Prophets (Zechariah 13:3 NAB) Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God (Deuteronomy 13:13-18 NLT) Kill Women Who Are Not Virgins On Their Wedding Night (Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB) Kill Followers of Other Religions. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB, Deuteronomy 17:2-5 NLT) Death for Blasphemy (Leviticus 24:10-16 NLT) Kill False Prophets (Deuteronomy 13:1-5 NLT, Deuteronomy 18:20-22 NLT) Infidels and Gays Should Die (Romans 1:24-32 NLT) Kill Anyone who Approaches the Tabernacle (Numbers 1:48-51 NLT) Kill People for Working on the Sabbath (Exodus 31:12-15 NLT) Kill Sons of Sinners (Isaiah 14:21 NAB)
10/1/2016 7:54:13 PM	I and the Father, We are one
followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 74, joined May. 2012	Quote from ludlowlowell: Why does it have to be in scripture? It's taught by our holy mother the Church and that ought to be good enough. See 2 Thessalonians 2:15. 2 Thessalonians 2:15 doesn't mention your stinking "holy mother the Church," and no, it's not good enough.
10/1/2016 8:18:05 PM	I and the Father, We are one
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 64, joined Feb. 2008	Q. Who secided that Second Thessalonians belonged in the Bible in the first place? A. The Catholic Church, at the Council of Hippo, 393 a.d.
10/1/2016 8:45:36 PM	I and the Father, We are one
kb2222 Jacksonville, FL 76, joined Apr. 2011	That's right it sure wasn't God telling us not to listen to Jesus.
10/1/2016 9:26:15 PM	I and the Father, We are one
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 64, joined Feb. 2008	Of course God never says don't listen to Jesus. Jesus is God. What are you talking about, KB?
10/1/2016 9:33:21 PM	I and the Father, We are one
share_n_love Fort Wayne, IN 61, joined Dec. 2012	Quote from ludlowlowell: Q. Who decided that Second Thessalonians belonged in the Bible in the first place? A. The Catholic Church, at the Council of Hippo, 393 a.d. God. He controls anything concerning HIS word...not man.
10/1/2016 9:58:20 PM	I and the Father, We are one
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 64, joined Feb. 2008	When the Church put Second Thessalonians into the Bible, and the other 72 books into the Bible, the Church was inspired by God, yes.
10/1/2016 10:06:41 PM	I and the Father, We are one
kb2222 Jacksonville, FL 76, joined Apr. 2011	That verse says that we should "stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle" and I fail to see how one can accept and inculcate the NEW teachings of Jesus when you "stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught." Perhaps you can explain, Ludlow?
10/1/2016 10:23:07 PM	I and the Father, We are one
followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 74, joined May. 2012	Quote from ludlowlowell: Of course God never says don't listen to Jesus. Jesus is God. What are you talking about, KB? Your church tells you not to listen to Jesus.
10/1/2016 10:23:47 PM	I and the Father, We are one
followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 74, joined May. 2012	Quote from ludlowlowell: When the Church put Second Thessalonians into the Bible, and the other 72 books into the Bible, the Church was inspired by God, yes. Baseless assertion.
10/1/2016 10:39:37 PM	I and the Father, We are one
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 64, joined Feb. 2008	Jesus taught the people of His time, things He wanted the whole world to know. Some of it got written down in a group of writings we now call the Bible, but not all of His teachings. These other teachings were taught by the apostles to the people by word of mouth only, and those teachings are still taught by the Church, the Church's bishops being the suceesors of the apostles. Probably THE most basic difference between Catholicism and Protestantism is that Catholics believe these oral traditions should be believed and are part of the "deposit of faith", whereas Protestants go by the Bible alone ("sola scriptura", Martin Luther called it). When one considers 2 Thessalonians 2:15, and when one considers that it was the Catholic Church that put tge Bible together in the first place, it is easy to see who is right here.
10/2/2016 12:58:08 AM	I and the Father, We are one
bigd9832 Chicago, IL 64, joined Oct. 2007	Quote from ludlowlowell... Q. Who secided that Second Thessalonians belonged in the Bible in the first place? A. The Catholic Church, at the Council of Hippo, 393 a.d. *********************************************************************************** That would be the wrong answer. The Catholic church did not "secided" to put anything into the bible. The Council of Hippo in 393 ad was a sham. The Catholic church did NOT put the Bible together. And like most of what ludlow says, he has never been able to prove any different. It is his opinion only. It is my opinion that he is lying. The Catholic church lies and so does ludlow.
10/2/2016 2:20:01 AM	I and the Father, We are one
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 64, joined Feb. 2008	The Catholic Church tells the truth. That's why the world hates the Catholic Church.
10/2/2016 2:35:47 AM	I and the Father, We are one
followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 74, joined May. 2012	[]Quote from ludlowlowell:[/][]The Catholic Church tells the truth. That's why the world hates the Catholic Church.[/] ====================================================================== No, that's not why the world hates your stinking church.
10/2/2016 10:20:46 AM	I and the Father, We are one
kb2222 Jacksonville, FL 76, joined Apr. 2011	Quote from ludlowlowell: The Catholic Church tells the truth. That's why the world hates the Catholic Church. You are SICK and a servant of Satan. The Catholic church is a historically mass murderous church whose popes claim spiritual infallibility and whose self-serving doctrines bind the mind of man to the book they compiled in rejection of the teachings of Jesus.
10/2/2016 10:34:00 AM	I and the Father, We are one
bigd9832 Chicago, IL 64, joined Oct. 2007	The Nazis seemed to love it. The Catholic church lies and so does ludlow.
10/2/2016 9:06:30 PM	I and the Father, We are one
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 64, joined Feb. 2008	The Nazis killed millions of Catholics, especially Polish Catholics.
10/2/2016 9:21:16 PM	I and the Father, We are one
cupocheer Assumption, IL 68, joined May. 2010	Quote from ludlowlowell: The Nazis killed millions of Catholics, especially Polish Catholics. 3 million Gentiles 6 million combined: Roman Catholics & Orthodox Poles 3 million Polish Jews
10/2/2016 10:10:06 PM	I and the Father, We are one
share_n_love Fort Wayne, IN 61, joined Dec. 2012	Calculating the numbers of individuals who were killed as the result of Nazi polices is a difficult task. There is no single wartime document created by Nazi officials that spells out how many people were killed in the Holocaust or World War II. To accurately estimate the extent of human losses, scholars, Jewish organizations, and governmental agencies since the 1940s have relied on a variety of different records, such as census reports, captured German and Axis archives, and postwar investigations, to compile these statistics. As more documents come to light or as scholars arrive at a more precise understanding of the Holocaust, estimates of human losses may change. The single most important thing to keep in mind when attempting to document numbers of victims of the Holocaust is that no one master list of those who perished exists anywhere in the world. What follow are the current best estimates of civilians and disarmed soldiers killed by the Nazi regime and its collaborators. These estimates are calculated from wartime reports generated by those who implemented Nazi population policy, and postwar demographic studies on population loss during World War II. Number of Deaths Jews: up to 6 million Soviet civilians: around 7 million (including 1.3 Soviet Jewish civilians, who are included in the 6 million figure for Jews) Soviet prisoners of war: around 3 million (including about 50,000 Jewish soldiers) Non-Jewish Polish civilians: around 1.8 million (including between 50,000 and 100,000 members of the Polish elites) Serb civilians (on the territory of Croatia, Bosnia and Herzegovina): 312,000 People with disabilities living in institutions: up to 250,000 Roma (Gypsies): 196,000–220,000 Jehovah's Witnesses: Around 1,900 Repeat criminal offenders and so-called asocials: at least 70,000 German political opponents and resistance activists in Axis-occupied territory: undetermined Homosexuals: hundreds, possibly thousands (possibly also counted in part under the 70,000 repeat criminal offenders and so-called asocials noted above).
10/2/2016 10:10:20 PM	I and the Father, We are one
followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 74, joined May. 2012	Ludlow said: "The Nazis killed millions of Catholics, especially Polish Catholics." They probably had it coming. Regarding those the catholic church tortured and killed, Ludlow said: "They shouldn't have disobeyed the Church or disbelieved the Church." What comes around goes around. Violence begets violence. [Edited 10/2/2016 10:11:14 PM ]
10/2/2016 11:47:08 PM	I and the Father, We are one
prophetic774 Winter Haven, FL 66, joined Feb. 2011	WHAT ARE THE 8 PASSAGES IN GOD'S WORD WHICH SHOW THE EXACT TIME PERIOD OF THE GREAT TRIBULATION IMMEDIATELY BEFORE THE 2ND COMING OF JESUS?? There are 8 time periods mentioned in God's Word which show the exact time period of the Great Tribulation which will end on the Last Day at the Second Coming of Jesus. A 1260-day tine period is mentioned 2 times in Rev 12:6 and Rev 11:3. A 42-month time period is mentioned 2 times in Rev 13:5 and Rev 11:2. A time period of time, times and half a time is mentioned 3 times in Daniel 7:25, Daniel 12:7 and Rev 12:14. And the last half of the last 7 is implied in Daniel 9:27a.which would be the 8th time period. By comparing Rev 12:6 and Rev 12:14 we know that 1260 days and time {360 days}, times {720 days} and half a time {180 days} is the exact same period of time since 720 days plus 360 days plus 180 days also add up to exactly 1260 days. By comparing Rev 13:5 with Daniel 7:25 we know that 42 months and time {12 months}, times {24 months} and half a time {6 months} is the exact same period of time since 12 months plus 24 months plus 6 months also add up to exactly 42 months. And so 1260 days and 42 30-day months and time {360 days or 12 30-day months} times {720 days or 24 30-day months} and half a time {180 days or 6 30-day months} are the exact same period of time. And so all 7 time periods mentioned are exactly 1260 days which would be the exact time period of the Great Tribulation and the rule of 666 and the time period of the witness of Moses and Elijah during the 1260-day Great Tribulation. Note: 666 is called the Beast 36 times in Revelation. By comparing Rev 13:5-7 and Daniel 7:25 we can know that 666 will rule for 42 months which is also time, {12 months} times {24 months} and half a time {6 months} in Daniel 7:25. Which brings us to the 8th and last time period mentioned in Daniel 9:27a which is the last 7 of the 70 7's prophecy mentioned in Daniel 9:24-27. Daniel 9:24-27: 70 7's {Or 490 years} are decreed for your people to finish transgression and put an end to sin, to ATONE FOR WICKEDNESS {On April 5 AD 33}, to bring in EVERLASTING RIGHTEOUSNESS {On the Last Day of the 490 years} From the issuing of the decree {By King Cyrus} to rebuild Jerusalem until the Anointed One, the Ruler, comes {Jesus came and was baptized in AD 29} there will be 7 7's {49 years} and 62 7's {434 years} {49 +434 equals 483 years when Jesus came and was baptized in AD29} The Anointed one will be cut off {When He ATONED FOR WICKEDNESS on April 5, AD 33} And the ATONEMENT FOR WICKEDNESS must be in included in the 70 7's which took place about 3 1/2 years after His COMING which happened after 483 tears of the 490 years and which leaves about 3 1/2 years in the future. Daniel 9:27 tells us about the last 7 of the 70 7's in this amazing prophecy. Daniel 9:27: He {the Anointed One} will confirm a Covenant with many for one 7. In the MIDDLE* of the {Last} 7 {After 3 1/2 years} He will put and END to sacrifice and offering {On April3-5, AD33 the Anointed One put an end to all sacrifices for sin}} And in the future He will set up an abomination that causes desolation {For 1260 days} until the end that is decreed is poured out on him. {On the Last Day of the 1260 day Great Tribulation as per Rev 19:20 & 2 Thess 2:8 & Daniel 7:26. Hebrews 10:11-18: Day after day every priest performs his religious duties again and again he offers the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins. But when this Priest had offered for all time ONE SACRIFICE FOR SINS, He sat down at the right hand of God... Because by ONE SACRIFICE He has made *PERFECT FOREVER* those who are being made holy. The Holy Spirit also testifies to us about this. First he says: "This is the COVENANT I will make with them after that time says the Lord. I will put My laws in their hearts, and I will write them on their minds." The he adds" Their sins and lawless acts I will remember NO MORE." And when these have been forgiven , there is NO LONGER ANY SACRIFICE FOR SIN!! What is the meaning of Daniel 9:27a: "He {The Anointed One} will confirm a Covenant with many for one 7."?? Jesus confirmed in Matthew 24, Mark 13, Luke 21 and Revelation chapters 6-19 that there would be a 42-month or 1260-day Great Tribulation; {which is also 3 1/2 times} immediately before His 2nd Coming; for Jesus said in Revelation 22:16: "I, Jesus, have sent My angel to give you this testimony FOR THE CHURCHES!" And Jesus gave us a New Covenant for 1220 days before His Resurrection which was from December 2nd, AD 29 to April 5th, AD 33; and in the 40 days after His Resurrection until His Ascension into heaven which would be at total of 1260 days or 42 30-day months or time times and half a time which is also 3 1/2 times. Acts 1:3: He appeared to them over a period of 40 days and spoke about the kingdom of God. And so 3 1/2 times plus 3 1/2 times equals exactly 7 times and so the Anointed One did confirm a Covenant with many for 7 times which is the last 7 of the 70 7's Prophecy. Daniel 7:25-27: He will speak against the Most High and oppress His saints...The saints will be handed over to him for time, times and 1/2 a time {Or 3 1/2 times} But the court will sit, and his power will be taken away and completely destroyed forever. {as per Rev 19:20 & 2 Thess 2:8} Then the sovereignty, power and greatness of the kingdoms under the whole heaven will be handed over to the saints, the people of the Most High. His kingdom will be and EVERLASTING Kingdom!! (And Daniel 9:24 confirms that "70 7's are decreed to bring EVERLASTING RIGHTEOUSNESS!! and to ATONE FOR WICKEDNESS!!" Daniel 12:1-3,7b: There will be a time of distress such as not happened from the beginning of nations until then. But at that time your people--everyone whose name is found written in the Book--will be delivered. Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to EVERLASTING life, others to shame and everlasting contempt. Those who are wise will shine like the brightness of the heavens, and those who lead many to righteousness, like the stars for ever and ever... It will be for time, times and half a time ALL these things will be COMPLETED!! Revelation 13:5-8: The beast will be given to exercise his authority for 42 {30-day) months {Or 1260 days}.. He will be given power to make war against the saints and to conquer them. And he will be given authority over EVERY** tribe, people, language and nation. All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast--all whose names have not been written in the Book of Life belonging to the LAMB who was slain. 2 Thessalonians 2:8: Then the lawless one will be revealed. whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of His mouth and destroy by the splendor of His Coming.
10/3/2016 11:29:28 AM	I and the Father, We are one
slowpoke7 Hendersonville, TN 76, joined Feb. 2011
10/3/2016 11:43:42 AM	I and the Father, We are one
kb2222 Jacksonville, FL 76, joined Apr. 2011	Yes, Jesus loves you, slowpoke, and He strongly desires you to rise above your murderous beliefs and teachings that He orders man to stone and burn to death at the stake his brethren for all sorts of absurd reasons like some kind of a psychopath. So, why do you (in essence) give Jesus the finger, slowpoke? Can you say?
10/3/2016 12:15:10 PM	I and the Father, We are one
bigd9832 Chicago, IL 64, joined Oct. 2007	Quote from ludlowlowell... The Nazis killed millions of Catholics, especially Polish Catholics. ***************************************************************************** The Nazis killed million of Polish people. Their religion had nothing to do with it. The Nazis were afraid Poland would support the European troops and possibly sway the war efforts. ludlow likes to interpret history like he interprets the Bible... poorly. Of course, as you can see, the Catholic church supported the Nazi efforts. The Jews have been a sore point for the Catholic church and I am sure they would have loved to see them eliminated. The Catholic church lies and so does ludlow.
10/3/2016 1:10:01 PM	I and the Father, We are one
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 64, joined Feb. 2008	Why don't you post a picture of Reagan and Gorbachev, and call Reagan a Commie? If you don't think Poles were killed for their religion, check out the story of St. Maximilian Kolbe. "After we get done with the Jews, the Christians are next." --Adolf Hitler [Edited 10/3/2016 1:12:24 PM ]
10/3/2016 1:47:50 PM	I and the Father, We are one
prophetic774 Winter Haven, FL 66, joined Feb. 2011	QUOTES BY TNT: "The Blood of Yeshua is not the important part of Yeshua's Life. Following Yahweh's Laws/Torah and Commands are simply the only way that anyone will be able to enter into Yahweh's Rest/Paradise/Heaven." BUT WHAT DOES GOD'S WORD SAY?? I Corinthians 1:18: For the message of the cross is foolishness to those {Like TNT} who are perishing, but to us who are saved it is the power of God! Galatians 2:20,21: The life I live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me. I do not set aside the grace of God, for IF RIGHTEOUSNESS COULD BE GAINED THROUGH THE LAW, Christ died for nothing!" Isaiah 53:5,6: But He was pierced for our transgressions, He was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was upon Him, and by His wounds we are healed. WE ALL LIKE SHEEP HAVE GONE ASTRAY, each of us has turned to his own way; and THE LORD HAS LAID ON HIM THE INIQUITY OF US ALL!! Matthew 26:28: Jesus says, "This is My blood of the Covenant, which is poured out for many FOR THE FORGIVENEESS OF SINS!!" John 15:12-14: Jesus says, "My command is this: Love each other as I have loved you. Greater love has no on than this, that he LAY DOWN HIS LIFE for his friends. You are My friends if you do what I command!!" John 13:34,35: Jesus says, "A NEW COMMAND I give you: Love one another as I have loved you, so you must love one another. By this all men will know that you are My disciples!!" Hebrews 10:11-18: Day after day every priest performs his religious duties again and again he offers the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins. But when this Priest had offered for all time ONE SACRIFICE FOR SINS, He sat down at the right hand of God... Because by ONE SACRIFICE He has made *PERFECT FOREVER* those who are being made holy. The Holy Spirit also testifies to us about this. First he says: "This is the covenant I will make with them after that time says the Lord. I will put My laws in their hearts, and I will write them on their minds." The he adds" Their sins and lawless acts I will remember NO MORE." And when these have been forgiven , there is NO LONGER ANY SACRIFICE FOR SIN!! Ephesians 1:5-8: In love He predestined us to be adopted as His sons through Jesus Christ, in accordance with His pleasure and will--to the praise of His GLORIOUS GRACE, which He has freely given us in the One He loves. In Him we have REDEMPTION THROUGH HIS BLOOD, the FORGIVENESS OF SINS, in accordance with the riches of God's grace that He lavished on us with all wisdom and understanding! Ephesians 2:4-10: Because of His great LOVE for us, God, who is rich in mercy, made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions--it is BY GRACE you have been saved! And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with Him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus, in order that in the coming ages He might show the incomparable riches of His grace, expressed in His kindness to us in Christ Jesus. For it is BY GRACE you have been saved, through faith-- and this NOT FROM YOURSELVES, it is the GIFT of God--NOT BY WORKS, so that no one can boast. For we are God's workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do! Hebrews 9:25-28: Nor did He enter heaven to offer Himself again and again, the way the high priest enters the Most Holy Place with blood that is not his own. Then Christ would have had to suffer many times since the creation of the world. But now He has appeared ONCE FOR ALL at the end of the ages to do away with sin by the sacrifice of Himself. Just as man is destined to die once , and after that to face judgment, so Christ was SACRIFICED ONCE TO TAKE AWAY THE SINS OF MANY PEOPLE!! Hebrews 7:27: Unlike the other high priests, He does not need to offer sacrifices day after day, first for His own sins, and then for the sins of the people. He SACRIFICED FOR THEIR SINS ONCE FOR ALL when He offered Himself!! Hebrews 10:8-10: First He said, "Sacrifices and offerings, burnt offerings and sin offerings You did not desire although the Law required them to be made. Then He said, "Here I am, I have come to do your will." He set aside the first to establish the second. And by that will, we have been made holy through the SACRIFICE OF THE BODY OF JESUS ONCE FOR ALL!! Galatians 3:10-13: "All who rely on observing the law are under a curse, for it is written "Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law." CLEARLY NO ONE IS JUSTIFIED BEFORE GOD BY THE LAW, because, "The righteous will live by faith." The law is not based on faith; on the contrary, "The man who does these things will live by them." Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us! Hebrews 7:18,19: The former regulation is SET ASIDE because it was weak and useless; for the law made nothing perfect, and a BETTER HOPE is introduced, by which we draw near to God.! Revelation 22:16,18,19: "I, Jesus, have sent My angel to give you this testimony FOR THE CHURCHES!!... I war everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this boo. If anyone ADDS {Like TNT} anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book {Which includes eternal hell} And if anyone TAKES WORDS AWAY{Like TNT} from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the Tree of Life and in the Holy City {The New Jerusalem} which are described in this book!!" And the Book of Revelation includes the following 2 passages in Revelation 1:5 and Revelation 5:9: Revelation 1:5: From Jesus Christ, who is the faithful Witness.... To Him who loves us and has freed us from our sins BY HIS BLOOD!! Revelation 5:9: "You are worthy to take the scroll and to open its seals, because You were slain, and WITH YOUR BLOOD YOU PURCHASED MEN FOR GOD from every tribe and language and people and nation!!" I Peter 1:1,19: For you know that it was no with perishable things such as silver or gold that you were REDEEMED from the empty way of life handed down to you by you forefathers, but with the PRECIOUS BLOOD OF CHRIST, a Lamb without blemish or defect!! Titus 3:4: But when the kindness and love of God our Savior appeared, HE SAVED US, not because of righteous things we had done, but because of HIS MERCY**!!
10/3/2016 4:12:06 PM	I and the Father, We are one
bigd9832 Chicago, IL 64, joined Oct. 2007	ludlow likes to interpret history like he interprets the Bible... poorly. Now ludlow is making up quotes from Hitler. The Catholic church lies and so does ludlow.
10/3/2016 4:37:04 PM	I and the Father, We are one
followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 74, joined May. 2012	Quote from ludlowlowell: Why don't you post a picture of Reagan and Gorbachev, and call Reagan a Commie? If you don't think Poles were killed for their religion, check out the story of St. Maximilian Kolbe. "After we get done with the Jews, the Christians are next." --Adolf Hitler What's the source of your Hitler quote?
10/3/2016 4:38:58 PM	I and the Father, We are one
followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 74, joined May. 2012	Quote from slowpoke7: Why don't you preach the gospel that Jesus preached?

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