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lovethelake17
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I don't think it's erasing the past to remove a tribute to a tyrant. They're removing a visual and physical reminder, they're not going into textbooks and removing all mention. Those removed statues of Lenin and Stalin don't erase they existed or that they led Russia and its satellite countries. It's just that they're no longer being celebrated.
I still don't know if I think it's right or wrong, but I sure don't think referring to people who feel one way or the other as being whiny, ignorant, stupid, not properly raised, entitled, or whatever marginalizing and belittling label someone wants to place on them to negate their opinion.
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Olaf_the_german
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I don't think it's erasing the past to remove a tribute to a tyrant.
he wasn't a tyrant...and the tribute is to his character and leadership by the people who he represented/lead (and obviously now their ancestors). 
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iam_resurrected
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in a twisted way of seeing this:
the African American leaders of New Orleans would not be in their position had their ancestors not been here by slave. It was not like they would had been born here to be a leader without slavery!!
ignorance is everywhere!!
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jer3552
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Vikings raped and pillaged all of Europe and they named a nice cruise line after them
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M4mischief
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I agree lake...everybody is entitled to their opinion....but whose the tyrants in the civil war if it had nothing to do with slavery?....  
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iam_resurrected
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the United State Government
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M4mischief
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This is what I am not getting...how the civil war and these generals have anything to do with slavery itself?...
And from what I understand there wasn't a u.s. government yet....
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iam_resurrected
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This is what I am not getting...how the civil war and these generals have anything to do with slavery itself?...
they were chess board players who got immortalized. nothing wrong with it. but they really did nothing because the government eventually would had gotten its way.
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stl1
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if you remove one it is only right to remove them all.
The winners are the ones who write history.
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M4mischief
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I'm just having trouble linking the two...is it because the north decided to free their slaves and the south didn't?...which still doesn't make the civil war about slavery....
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Olaf_the_german
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Per Wiki on the statue of P. G. T. Beauregard that was removed last night:
"An equestrian monument by Alexander Doyle depicted him in New Orleans. The monument, considered to glorify institutions that supported slavery, was removed on May 17, 2017."
So it's not really about the guy but about what SOME snowflakes THINK it represents...Um a statue is generally there to honor THE PERSON, not a philosophy...dumb f**king snowflakes.
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stl1
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Every race in the world has at some point been in bondage/slavery...get over it...everyone else has.
My people were enslaved by the Romans...I don't get bent out of shape if I see a roman statue or building.
I hear you get excited and engorged over a classic Roman nose.
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iam_resurrected
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I'm just having trouble linking the two...is it because the north decided to free their slaves and the south didn't?...which still doesn't make the civil war about slavery....
Before Lincoln became prez he already was against slavery. no doubt his personal issue took center stage during many moments within the Civil War.
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M4mischief
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Per Wiki on the statue of P. G. T. Beauregard that was removed last night:
"An equestrian monument by Alexander Doyle depicted him in New Orleans. The monument, considered to glorify institutions that supported slavery, was removed on May 17, 2017."
So it's not really about the guy but about what SOME snowflakes THINK it represents...Um a statue is generally there to honor THE PERSON, not a philosophy...dumb f**king snowflakes.
ok...so im keeping with that...any institution that supported slavery should never be glorified....weren't their also slaves in the north too and what businesses etc supported slavery either in the north or south...we better knock em down if any still exist....
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iam_resurrected
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knowing that Jefferson condoned slavery, maybe his additions towards the constitution should be revised to fit a more sound judgement!!
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stanleyzee
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Alot of slaves migrated North and onto Canada
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M4mischief
Grand Prairie, TX
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Found some....
Lets get out the wrecking ball....
http://occupywallstreet.net/story/15-major-corporations-you-never-knew-profited-slavery
1. Lehman Brothers, whose business empire started in the slave trade, recently admitted their part in the business of slavery.
2. Aetna, Inc., the United States’ largest health insurer, apologized for selling policies in the 1850s that reimbursed slave owners for financial losses when the enslaved Africans they owned died. “Aetna has long acknowledged that for several years shortly after its founding in 1853 that the company may have insured the lives of slaves,” said Aetna spokesman Fred Laberge in 2002. “We express our deep regret over any participation at all in this deplorable practice.”
3. JPMorgan Chase recently admitted their company’s links to slavery. “Today, we are reporting that this research found that, between 1831 and 1865, two of our predecessor banks—Citizens Bank and Canal Bank in Louisiana—accepted approximately 13,000 enslaved individuals as collateral on loans and took ownership of approximately 1,250 of them when the plantation owners defaulted on the loans,” the company wrote in a statement.
4. New York Life Insurance Company is the largest mutual life insurance company in the United States. They also took part in slavery by selling insurance policies on enslaved Africans. According to USA Today, evidence of 10 more New York Life slave policies comes from an 1847 account book kept by the company’s Natchez, Miss. agent, W.A. Britton. The book, part of a collection at Louisiana State University, contains Britton’s notes on slave policies he wrote for amounts ranging from $375 to $600. A 1906 history of New York Life says 339 of the company’s first 1,000 policies were written on the lives of slaves.
5. Wachovia Corporation (now owned by Wells Fargo) has apologized for its ties to slavery after disclosing that two of its historical predecessors owned enslaved Africans and accepted them as payment. “On behalf of Wachovia Corporation, I apologize to all Americans, and especially to African-Americans and people of African descent,” said Ken Thompson, Wachovia chairman and chief executive officer, in the statement released late Wednesday. “We are deeply saddened by these findings.”
6. N M Rothschild & Sons Bank in London was linked to slavery. The company that was one of the biggest names in the City of London had previously undisclosed links to slavery in the British colonies. Documents seen by the Financial Times have revealed that Nathan Mayer Rothschild, the banking family’s 19th-century patriarch, made his first personal gains by using enslaved Africans as collateral in dealings with a slave owner.
7. Norfolk Southern also has a history in the slave trade. The Mobile & Girard company, which is now part of Norfolk Southern, offered slaveholders $180 ($3,379 today) apiece for enslaved Africans they would rent to the railroad for one year, according to the records. The Central of Georgia, another company aligned with Norfolk Southern Line today, valued its slaves at $31,303 ($663,033 today) on record.
8. USA Today has found that their own parent company, E.W. Scripps and Gannett, has had links to the slave trade.
There is evidence that FleetBoston evolved from an earlier financial institution, Providence Bank, founded by John Brown who was a slave trader and owned ships used to transport enslaved Africans. The bank financed Brown’s slave voyages and profited from them. Brown even reportedly helped charter what became Brown University.
9. CSX used slave labor to construct portions of some U.S. rail lines under the political and legal system that was in place more than a century ago. Two enslaved Africans who the company rented were identified as John Henry and Reuben. The record states, “they were to be returned clothed when they arrived to work for the company.” Individual enslaved Africans cost up to $200 – the equivalent of $3,800 today - to rent for a season and CSX took full advantage.
10. Canadian National Railway Company is a Canadian Class I railway headquartered in Montreal, Quebec that serves Canada and the midwestern and southern United States. The company also has a history in which it benefited from slavery. The Mobile & Ohio, now part of Canadian National, valued their slaves lost to the war and emancipation at $199,691 on record. That amount is currently worth $2.2 million.
11. Brown Brothers Harriman is the oldest and largest private investment bank and securities firm in the United States, founded in 1818. USA Today found that the New York merchant bank of James and William Brown, currently known as Brown Bros. Harriman owned hundreds of enslaved Africans and financed the cotton economy by lending millions to southern planters, merchants and cotton brokers
12. Brooks Brothers, the high end suit retailer got their start selling slave clothing to various slave traders back in the 1800s. What a way to get rich in the immoral slave industry!
13. Barclays, the British multinational banking and financial services company headquartered in London, United Kingdom has now conceded that companies it bought over the years may have been involved in the slave trade.
14. AIG completed the purchase of American General Financial Group, a Houston-based insurer that owns U.S. Life Insurance Company. A U.S. Life policy on an enslaved African living in Kentucky was reprinted in a 1935 article about slave insurance in The American Conservationist magazine. AIG says it has “found documentation indicating” U.S. Life insured enslaved Africans.
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M4mischief
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Alot of slaves migrated North and onto Canada
I think we had an underground railroad here too z...if im not mistaken....
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stanleyzee
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Yes Canada did, there's a museum in Cincinnati or Kentucky about U R
And ur list damnnnn didn't nobody like us
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Olaf_the_german
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The Native Americans were subjected to genocide and yet don't whine as f**king much as the blacks...none of whom have any personal experience with slavery.
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M4mischief
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I know...shocking huh...that's first time I ever looked it up....I don't think it was about like vs. dislike as much as it was about money z....
Im glad we helped the slaves...if I lived during that period I would have been part of that railroad....
We have our share of people living in the past too olaf....however there are still things that do need to be changed for both...but no amount of living in the past is gonna create those changes...some people are just stuck...I see it all the time....
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Olaf_the_german
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Im glad we helped the slaves...if I lived during that period I would have been part of that railroad....
Well it was the Chinese who mostly built the railroads...
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M4mischief
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Really?...Milly vanilly?...and that has what to do with the removal of statues?...please don't post that crap here but contribute something interesting to the thread....
Olaf...we're talking about the underground railroad that brought slaves into Canada....
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vanilla_cream2
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vanilla_cream2
Philadelphia, PA
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OP you should stop drinking so much at night....
...it ruins your temper the following day
 
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M4mischief
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Im not grumpy....I'm just runnin a tight ship....and all I had to drink last night was coffee....
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Olaf_the_german
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Olaf...we're talking about the underground railroad that brought slaves into Canada....
Oh that, someone should have derailed that shit!
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M4mischief
Grand Prairie, TX
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No..slavery was never a good thing...treating human beings like animals for free labour....no way....
Im glad there were people who existed to help like that....
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stanleyzee
Dayton, OH
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Victorian slumhouses/East end triflagar district London 1880
Those people had it rough but made it through
Also, I'm black but I like all kinds of people.
I try real hard to follow JESUS principles of turn the other cheek and I'll admit me been slipping tough
But back to why blacks complain some can't get pass it
Glad I can
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Olaf_the_german
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No..slavery was never a good thing...treating human beings like animals for free labour....no way....
Im glad there were people who existed to help like that....
Um it was great for the slave owners, plantation owners and the cotton industry. The US wouldn't be what it is today without it. 
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M4mischief
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I see humans as just that...humans...if I dislike someone its never because of the color of their skin...its because of their character....and I agree z...some natives are like that too...stuck and always rehashing the past.....
NO...kidding....who made money off the backs of slaves....
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stanleyzee
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No..slavery was never a good thing...treating human beings like animals for free labour....no way....
Im glad there were people who existed to help like that.... 
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M4mischief
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Indeed....
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Olaf_the_german
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I see humans as just that...humans...if I dislike someone its never because of the color of their skin...its because of their character.
Disliking someone for their character is no less bigoted than disliking them for their skin color.
You should be tolerant of all creeds and colors
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M4mischief
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Pffft...I dislike a**holes...so I claim bigoted then.....
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Olaf_the_german
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SHOCKING!
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M4mischief
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Hey...at least I admit it....
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stanleyzee
Dayton, OH
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Auswitz
How can people be so evil
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iam_resurrected
Reno, NV
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I extremely dislike stupid and stupidity.
that just means they both cover a lot of people out there
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Olaf_the_german
Houston, TX
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Auswitz
How can people be so evil
How can people be so submissive...200,000 inmates 2000 guards...and it was the inmates putting the inmates in the ovens...Fight for your lives..you're going to die anyway.
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M4mischief
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I don't know z....I just watched a good movie about that called...denial I think it was...it was based on a true story about a holocost denier who sued a jewish professor who dissed him in one of her books...it was really good....I don't think one can have a conscience and be so evil...I really don't....
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stanleyzee
Dayton, OH
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Germany started WW 1 and 2
After bombings they did rebuild
Germany is peaceful now
Redlite district
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M4mischief
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Yep...a shitty part of history for sure driven by one mans insanity....
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Olaf_the_german
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Yep...a shitty part of history for sure driven by one mans insanity....
Or a whole nations insanity depending on how you look at it...
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M4mischief
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True...he had followers and believers in his insanity....
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Olaf_the_german
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True...he had followers and believers in his insanity....
Lets leave Obama out of this for now though and stay on topic.
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M4mischief
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 I thought it sounded more like trump...the man who cant keep a secret....
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Olaf_the_german
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No really much of a secret was it...that terrorists might use laptops as bombs...duh...no shit.
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M4mischief
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I dunno...I thought it was some serious isis shit and it compromised Israeli spys or something....trump..always blabbing to the Russians.....
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stanleyzee
Dayton, OH
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Trump be trumping
No Media 
How we gonna know what's going on
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Olaf_the_german
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No, it was about him telling the Russians that isis were working on laptop bombs...
Well hell we've and shoe bombs, underpant bombs...it doesn't take the whole of the western worlds intelligence agencies to figure out they might work on a laptop bomb!
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stanleyzee
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Andddddddd Germ they're experts at it
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M4mischief
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Yep z...watch trumps tweets on twitter....
Yeah no kidding...its not a far leap.....
That's scary when you get into chemical and germ warfare.....
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stanleyzee
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our president 
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Olaf_the_german
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Imagine the shit storm we'd be in if Hilary had got in!
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M4mischief
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I don't which one is worse tho....she's better at keeping her mouth shut and covering it up and denial I guess...at least trump cant keep his mouth shut...so you cant help but know whats goin on....
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sinceresammy
Dayton, OH
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How can you be an American and not understand that it's history IS one of racism
I still have my little statute of Hitler tucked away in my closet!
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stanleyzee
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He's going to Israel soon
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M4mischief
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Yeah...I wonder how he'll screw that up.....somebody duct tape that mans mouth and fingers so he cant tweet....
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