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7/5/2017 8:45:14 PM Voter I D laws? | Page 5  
ron6280a
Over 2,000 Posts (2,758)
Detroit, MI
55, joined Oct. 2013


Quote from thekinghasrisen:
Because the money required to get these IDs without the needed documents can be (and often are) in excess of $100, require often significant time off to acquire (costing more money in lost wages) and (thanks to concerted efforts to shorten their supply), often transportation to a far away office to get the documents where they need to go.

People who are most unlikely to do these things are young people and people who are impoverished; and people who are impoverished are more likely to be people of color.

Republicans know This, have admitted as much, and recycle the same baseless claim of voter fraud to justify artificially classing their political opponents out of the Democratic process.

That's why.


You're saying your people can not function in civilized society like everyone else.........why?

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7/5/2017 8:48:53 PM Voter I D laws? | Page 5  
annamally
Over 10,000 Posts!!! (13,782)
Santa Clarita, CA
97, joined Feb. 2013


Quote from ron6280a:
You're saying your people can not function in civilized society like everyone else.........why?


" His " people would be ashamed of him even saying that ... They all have ID's and they have no problem producing them ....

7/5/2017 8:59:57 PM Voter I D laws? | Page 5  
ron6280a
Over 2,000 Posts (2,758)
Detroit, MI
55, joined Oct. 2013


Quote from annamally:
" His " people would be ashamed of him even saying that ... They all have ID's and they have no problem producing them ....


I spent my whole life ( except my military years ) in Detroit.
I've worked with many very sharp hard working black folk.

King seems to think he is an abberation.



[Edited 7/5/2017 9:00:48 PM ]

7/5/2017 9:01:00 PM Voter I D laws? | Page 5  

jillybodob
Over 10,000 Posts!!! (21,924)
Naperville, IL
27, joined Jul. 2013


prove you're a US Citizen, or f**k off. Thanks to Dems, a DL or Social Security number just doesn't cut it anymore. Dumbf**ks.

7/5/2017 9:06:15 PM Voter I D laws? | Page 5  

thekinghasrisen
Over 7,500 Posts!! (7,679)
San Diego, CA
32, joined Nov. 2013


Quote from ron6280a:
I spent my whole life ( except my military years ) in Detroit.
I've worked with many very sharp hard working black folk.

King seems to think he is an abberation.


Impressive.

With such a broad sense of diversity and contextual experience, surely you of all people could empathize with the truism that not everyone's walk of life is like yours and those you know, just because they are the perfect color to fit neatly into your current argument.

Or not.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/politics/courts_law/getting-a-photo-id-so-you-can-vote-is-easy-unless-youre-poor-black-latino-or-elderly/2016/05/23/8d5474ec-20f0-11e6-8690-f14ca9de2972_story.html



[Edited 7/5/2017 9:08:46 PM ]

7/5/2017 9:18:17 PM Voter I D laws? | Page 5  
ron6280a
Over 2,000 Posts (2,758)
Detroit, MI
55, joined Oct. 2013


Quote from thekinghasrisen:
Because the money required to get these IDs without the needed documents can be (and often are) in excess of $100, require often significant time off to acquire (costing more money in lost wages) and (thanks to concerted efforts to shorten their supply), often transportation to a far away office to get the documents where they need to go.

People who are most unlikely to do these things are young people and people who are impoverished; and people who are impoverished are more likely to be people of color.

Republicans know This, have admitted as much, and recycle the same baseless claim of voter fraud to justify artificially classing their political opponents out of the Democratic process.

That's why.


Shame on you king.

Blacks don't need another sharpton, another Jackson.....

Black folk need to hear the truth.....that they are as capable as everyone else.

7/5/2017 9:34:03 PM Voter I D laws? | Page 5  

thekinghasrisen
Over 7,500 Posts!! (7,679)
San Diego, CA
32, joined Nov. 2013


Quote from ron6280a:
Shame on you king.

Blacks don't need another sharpton, another Jackson.....

Black folk need to hear the truth.....that they are as capable as everyone else.


You misunderstand what you read.

No one is making a statement of capability, or even saying that the current state of things is a referendum on capability.

It simply is what it is. FREE people of any color should be able to take that info and use it to benefit themselves and not stay locked in a deflationary cycle of poverty.
I did it, didn't I? I don't think I'd be better off if I were less informed than I am.

What black people need, is not to be lied to about the environment in which they exist. It's only then when they can successfully navigate their way out of it.

There's nothing Sharpton or Jackson about calling a spade a spade and then still expecting folks to play the cards dealt.



[Edited 7/5/2017 9:35:16 PM ]

7/5/2017 9:36:16 PM Voter I D laws? | Page 5  

jillybodob
Over 10,000 Posts!!! (21,924)
Naperville, IL
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King, prove your a citizen and not dead. The company I work for made me. Honestly, what a bullshit topic.




Quote from thekinghasrisen:
You misunderstand what you read.

No one is making a statement of capability, or even saying that the current state of things is a referendum on capability.

It simply is what it is. FREE people of any color should be able to take that info and use it to benefit themselves and not stay locked in a deflationary cycle of poverty.
I did it, didn't I?

What black people need, is not to be lied to about the environment in which they exist. It's only then when they can successfully navigate their way out of it.

There's nothing Sharpton or Jackson about calling a spade a spade and then still expecting folks to play the cards dealt.


7/5/2017 9:39:24 PM Voter I D laws? | Page 5  

thekinghasrisen
Over 7,500 Posts!! (7,679)
San Diego, CA
32, joined Nov. 2013


Quote from ron6280a:
You're saying your people can not function in civilized society like everyone else.........why?


The word civilized has been used to cringy efficacy to mean "not me" since the days that the Greeks coined the term 'barbarian' to mean anyone who didn't speak Greek, as all other languages sounded to them to be some iteration of "bar bar bar bar".

There's no excuse for us to be this ignorant as a people in an age when historical president is a smartphone away.



[Edited 7/5/2017 9:41:11 PM ]

7/5/2017 9:40:46 PM Voter I D laws? | Page 5  
annamally
Over 10,000 Posts!!! (13,782)
Santa Clarita, CA
97, joined Feb. 2013


Quote from thekinghasrisen:
You misunderstand what you read.

No one is making a statement of capability, or even saying that the current state of things is a referendum on capability.

It simply is what it is. FREE people of any color should be able to take that info and use it to benefit themselves and not stay locked in a deflationary cycle of poverty.
I did it, didn't I? I don't think I'd be better off if I were less informed than I am.

What black people need, is not to be lied to about the environment in which they exist. It's only then when they can successfully navigate their way out of it.

There's nothing Sharpton or Jackson about calling a spade a spade and then still expecting folks to play the cards dealt.


KING! Black people HAVE ID'S !!!!

Get used to it !

7/5/2017 9:42:38 PM Voter I D laws? | Page 5  

thekinghasrisen
Over 7,500 Posts!! (7,679)
San Diego, CA
32, joined Nov. 2013


Quote from annamally:
KING! Black people HAVE ID'S !!!!

Get used to it !


Hundreds of thousands of Americans with just as much of a right to vote as you have, do not.

Get use to that, and stop passing laws to restrict their rights because you can't control how they vote. It doesn't matter what color they are: the more people in America that can vote, the more functional our democracy.

Maybe one day we'll end up with a political party that isn't bought and paid for by corporate interests.



[Edited 7/5/2017 9:45:06 PM ]

7/5/2017 9:42:40 PM Voter I D laws? | Page 5  

jillybodob
Over 10,000 Posts!!! (21,924)
Naperville, IL
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Jackson is a felon, grand larceny. Was awarded vacation time. Give me break King.

7/5/2017 9:44:31 PM Voter I D laws? | Page 5  
ultrabrat007
Crescent City, CA
41, joined Dec. 2016


Quote from thekinghasrisen:
The word civilized has been used to cringy efficacy to mean "not me" since the days that the Greeks coined the term 'barbarian' to mean anyone who didn't speak Greek, as all other languages sounded to them to be some iteration of "bar bar bar bar".

There's no excuse for us to be this ignorant as a people in an age when historical president is a smartphone away.


King, your photo is pushing that proverbial blackness reactionism all over the place. I bet you have a blast with it...



7/5/2017 9:45:03 PM Voter I D laws? | Page 5  

jillybodob
Over 10,000 Posts!!! (21,924)
Naperville, IL
27, joined Jul. 2013


prove you're a citizen and not dead. then actually go vote instead of b*tching.




Quote from thekinghasrisen:
Hundreds of thousands of Americans with just as much of a right to vote as you have, do not.

Get use to that, and stop passing laws to restrict their rights because you can't control how they vote.


7/5/2017 9:45:54 PM Voter I D laws? | Page 5  

thekinghasrisen
Over 7,500 Posts!! (7,679)
San Diego, CA
32, joined Nov. 2013


Quote from jillybodob:
prove you're a citizen and not dead. then actually go vote instead of b*tching.




Quote from thekinghasrisen:
Hundreds of thousands of Americans with just as much of a right to vote as you have, do not.

Get use to that, and stop passing laws to restrict their rights because you can't control how they vote.


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/politics/courts_law/getting-a-photo-id-so-you-can-vote-is-easy-unless-youre-poor-black-latino-or-elderly/2016/05/23/8d5474ec-20f0-11e6-8690-f14ca9de2972_story.html

7/5/2017 9:46:53 PM Voter I D laws? | Page 5  

thekinghasrisen
Over 7,500 Posts!! (7,679)
San Diego, CA
32, joined Nov. 2013


Quote from ultrabrat007:
King, your photo is pushing that proverbial blackness reactionism all over the place. I bet you have a blast with it...



Which one? The one where I have the uniform of the armed forces of the United States of America?

My bad.

7/5/2017 9:47:06 PM Voter I D laws? | Page 5  
annamally
Over 10,000 Posts!!! (13,782)
Santa Clarita, CA
97, joined Feb. 2013


Quote from thekinghasrisen:
Hundreds of thousands of Americans with just as much of a right to vote as you have, do not.

Get use to that, and stop passing laws to restrict their rights because you can't control how they vote.


100,000 's of Thousands ???? Really ?

So , they don't drive , they don't collect benefits , they don't pay taxes , they don't own anything , and they were never born In this Country ???? Really ?

7/5/2017 9:47:07 PM Voter I D laws? | Page 5  

jillybodob
Over 10,000 Posts!!! (21,924)
Naperville, IL
27, joined Jul. 2013


Seriously King, WashPo. lmao.

7/5/2017 9:47:28 PM Voter I D laws? | Page 5  
cherisays
Over 7,500 Posts!! (8,216)
Bloomingdale, GA
52, joined Dec. 2014


I used to have respect for king, he has devolved into a woe is me kind of guy...Wow! Maybe if we sat down and had a beer..I don't know..

7/5/2017 9:48:19 PM Voter I D laws? | Page 5  

sillylaugher61
Over 10,000 Posts!!! (14,092)
Murrysville, PA
55, joined Aug. 2011
online now!


Quote from annamally:
100,000 's of Thousands ???? Really ?

So , they don't drive , they don't collect benefits , they don't pay taxes , they don't own anything , and they were never born In this Country ???? Really ?


they can get rides to the polls but not to get a ID center!

7/5/2017 9:48:25 PM Voter I D laws? | Page 5  
annamally
Over 10,000 Posts!!! (13,782)
Santa Clarita, CA
97, joined Feb. 2013


Quote from cherisays:
I used to have respect for king, he has devolved into a woe is me kind of guy...Wow! Maybe if we sat down and had a beer..I don't know..


Too late...

7/5/2017 9:54:23 PM Voter I D laws? | Page 5  

thekinghasrisen
Over 7,500 Posts!! (7,679)
San Diego, CA
32, joined Nov. 2013


Quote from jillybodob:
Jackson is a felon, grand larceny. Was awarded vacation time. Give me break King.


Uh...the only reason anyone would even bring up the Jacksons and Sharptons is because that's your favorite whipping boys (once Obama's had his fill) when you run out a methods to argue a case of racial importance on it's merits (or when it gets too uncomfortable for you).

As I'm not here to speak for them or to their contributions or lack their of to society - I'll respectfully ask that we stay on topic and keep our boggymen safely to ourselves.

7/5/2017 9:55:16 PM Voter I D laws? | Page 5  

shawnee_b
Over 10,000 Posts!!! (17,400)
Edmonton, KY
62, joined Apr. 2010


Quote from sillylaugher61:
they can get rides to the polls but not to get a ID center!


My entire life I have never seen any ID, polling places, nothing, other than right downtown or very accessible. The "impoverished" have no problem getting to the snap or welfare benefits buildings. Or to a protest.

7/5/2017 9:56:16 PM Voter I D laws? | Page 5  

thekinghasrisen
Over 7,500 Posts!! (7,679)
San Diego, CA
32, joined Nov. 2013


Quote from jillybodob:
Seriously King, WashPo. lmao.


Yup.

Hard to believe a disreputable news organization like that actually broke Watergate.

Such a fake news organization. Really. Donald Trump said so.

7/5/2017 9:56:21 PM Voter I D laws? | Page 5  

jillybodob
Over 10,000 Posts!!! (21,924)
Naperville, IL
27, joined Jul. 2013


No King, prove your a citizen, I got no problem. That's all. I had to. The rest is just b*tching.

7/5/2017 9:58:52 PM Voter I D laws? | Page 5  

thekinghasrisen
Over 7,500 Posts!! (7,679)
San Diego, CA
32, joined Nov. 2013


Quote from cherisays:
I used to have respect for king, he has devolved into a woe is me kind of guy...Wow! Maybe if we sat down and had a beer..I don't know..


If I had a nickel for everyone here who didn't expect me to have a mind of my own said that to me when we eventually agreed to disagree...id probably be able to buy the worth of all or your opinions.

It's meaningless what you think of me. If you can't debate on facts and (at the very least) deeply held principals, than agree to disagree and move on.

Unlike you- I wouldn't begrudge you in the slightest.

7/5/2017 9:59:57 PM Voter I D laws? | Page 5  

thekinghasrisen
Over 7,500 Posts!! (7,679)
San Diego, CA
32, joined Nov. 2013


Quote from jillybodob:
No King, prove your a citizen, I got no problem. That's all. I had to. The rest is just b*tching.


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/politics/courts_law/getting-a-photo-id-so-you-can-vote-is-easy-unless-youre-poor-black-latino-or-elderly/2016/05/23/8d5474ec-20f0-11e6-8690-f14ca9de2972_story.html

So much justice in that. Dismiss it if you like. Fascinatingly enough - that doesn't make those Americans any less real.



[Edited 7/5/2017 10:00:55 PM ]

7/5/2017 10:01:44 PM Voter I D laws? | Page 5  

maniacmassager
Over 10,000 Posts!!! (45,188)
Lawrence, MA
51, joined Mar. 2008


Quote from thekinghasrisen:
And poor people and people without valid ID (young, elderly, minorities), too. Also unconstitutional.

I might add that dead people don't vote any more than Mickey Mouse. If you think that there are enough people willing to wait all day to risk a felony and a 10k fine just to vote more than once, to swing an election (remember, we're not talking ballot stuffing here), than you're simply devoid of common sense.

Of course no one but a rank sociopath would do that. Would you? Seriously? Use your head. No matter what disdain you hold for your political opponents - if you think them less human or less American than you, than you are the problem.


You are delusional.

7/5/2017 10:04:19 PM Voter I D laws? | Page 5  
cheep_trick
Over 2,000 Posts (2,846)
Herndon, VA
37, joined Mar. 2017


Quote from thekinghasrisen:
Yup.

Hard to believe a disreputable news organization like that actually broke Watergate.

Such a fake news organization. Really. Donald Trump said so.


Try again.
The very first media mention of Watergate,
was a very small blurb, in the
Los Angeles Times.

7/5/2017 10:05:16 PM Voter I D laws? | Page 5  

jillybodob
Over 10,000 Posts!!! (21,924)
Naperville, IL
27, joined Jul. 2013


right King, white, black or purple you can get welfare, but can't prove your a citizen?

I like you man but don't be stupid on me.






Quote from thekinghasrisen:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/politics/courts_law/getting-a-photo-id-so-you-can-vote-is-easy-unless-youre-poor-black-latino-or-elderly/2016/05/23/8d5474ec-20f0-11e6-8690-f14ca9de2972_story.html

So much justice in that. Dismiss it if you like. Fascinatingly enough - that doesn't make those Americans any less real.


7/5/2017 10:05:19 PM Voter I D laws? | Page 5  

thekinghasrisen
Over 7,500 Posts!! (7,679)
San Diego, CA
32, joined Nov. 2013


Quote from maniacmassager:
You are delusional.


Of all the posts I've made that might have warranted such a response from a certain point of view...you actually decided to side with the (obviously numerically superior) group of people who think that there's enough people willing to risk a felony and a 10k fine to place more than one vote in 24 hours to swing an election composed of 10s of thousands of people?

Um...thank you?

7/5/2017 10:06:29 PM Voter I D laws? | Page 5  

thekinghasrisen
Over 7,500 Posts!! (7,679)
San Diego, CA
32, joined Nov. 2013


Quote from jillybodob:
right King, white, black or purple you can get welfare, but can't prove your a citizen?

I like you man but don't be stupid on me.






Quote from thekinghasrisen:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/politics/courts_law/getting-a-photo-id-so-you-can-vote-is-easy-unless-youre-poor-black-latino-or-elderly/2016/05/23/8d5474ec-20f0-11e6-8690-f14ca9de2972_story.html

So much justice in that. Dismiss it if you like. Fascinatingly enough - that doesn't make those Americans any less real.


I didn't write the article Jill.

And if WaPo triggers you so much than don't worry- there are many like it. That just happened to be the first one I saw.

7/5/2017 10:09:03 PM Voter I D laws? | Page 5  

jillybodob
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You just have to listen to your own heart to know what's right or wrong King. It's not complicated.

7/5/2017 10:11:25 PM Voter I D laws? | Page 5  

thekinghasrisen
Over 7,500 Posts!! (7,679)
San Diego, CA
32, joined Nov. 2013


Quote from jillybodob:
You just have to listen to your own heart to know what's right or wrong King. It's not complicated.


My heart isn't so pure that I dismiss the contents of others as inherently false because we don't agree.

You should try a little introspect and empathy for a change Jill. It may not do you much good in the short term, but none of us are getting any younger.

7/5/2017 10:13:42 PM Voter I D laws? | Page 5  
cupocheer
Over 10,000 Posts!!! (251,500)
Assumption, IL
68, joined May. 2010


I don't understand the complaint.

I've shown my ID everytime I've voted.

7/5/2017 10:15:12 PM Voter I D laws? | Page 5  

jillybodob
Over 10,000 Posts!!! (21,924)
Naperville, IL
27, joined Jul. 2013


King, I just witnessed to many people who play the poor poor pitiful me game. Can't prove your a citizen or produce a valid Id? It's 2017 bro. That dog don't hunt anymore. I can't even believe Dems bring it up anymore.

7/6/2017 2:53:46 AM Voter I D laws? | Page 5  
scoobs78
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Kansas City, MO
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The only conspiracy theory to date that I'm aware of is the the idea that Oswald DID NOT kill Kennedy. Some hired guns did it and it's been proven over n over we just have people that don't want it dug back up! All the people that were involved are dead so no one is held accountable and can be prosecuted

Anyone have any other "real conspiracy theories" out there?

7/6/2017 3:33:07 PM Voter I D laws? | Page 5  

thekinghasrisen
Over 7,500 Posts!! (7,679)
San Diego, CA
32, joined Nov. 2013


Quote from jillybodob:
King, I just witnessed to many people who play the poor poor pitiful me game. Can't prove your a citizen or produce a valid Id? It's 2017 bro. That dog don't hunt anymore. I can't even believe Dems bring it up anymore.


You keep conflating the people disenfranchised with people who have never been eligable. That's just not true Jill and you should know as much.

In Ohio in 2015, more than 200k people who had registered to vote before were purged from the voter rolls - people who had voted in 2008 but skipped the 2012 election found themselves unable to vote on procedural measures.

This is not a Dem issue Jill...its an American issue.



[Edited 7/6/2017 3:34:02 PM ]

7/6/2017 3:39:12 PM Voter I D laws? | Page 5  

scarredandtatto
Over 10,000 Posts!!! (44,251)
Oral, SD
52, joined Aug. 2013


you need to dumb down your responses to sillyb*tch.

He's not the brightest colored crayon in the box.

7/6/2017 3:40:49 PM Voter I D laws? | Page 5  

maniacmassager
Over 10,000 Posts!!! (45,188)
Lawrence, MA
51, joined Mar. 2008


Quote from thekinghasrisen:
Of all the posts I've made that might have warranted such a response from a certain point of view...you actually decided to side with the (obviously numerically superior) group of people who think that there's enough people willing to risk a felony and a 10k fine to place more than one vote in 24 hours to swing an election composed of 10s of thousands of people?

Um...thank you?


Theres more organized fraud out there. groups of people that specifically focus on ways of committing voter fraud. not the common every day shmuck your referring to.

7/6/2017 3:44:40 PM Voter I D laws? | Page 5  
waltree
Over 1,000 Posts (1,275)
Newton, NC
57, joined Oct. 2013


The Voter I. D. LAWS! Are! UN-Constitutional!

Just like: Slavery!

YES! Slavery Was: "THE LAW"! The Law! The Law! The LAW! Of The LAND! Until; LIBERALS Arrived and Informed the Stupid; Arrogant Bigots of their Two Faced Hypocrisy!



7/6/2017 3:45:43 PM Voter I D laws? | Page 5  
4uijack
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New Port Richey, FL
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Quote from thekinghasrisen:
You keep conflating the people disenfranchised with people who have never been eligable. That's just not true Jill and you should know as much.

In Ohio in 2015, more than 200k people who had registered to vote before were purged from the voter rolls - people who had voted in 2008 but skipped the 2012 election found themselves unable to vote on procedural measures.

This is not a Dem issue Jill...its an American issue.


YOU DUMBF**KS NEED TO OBEY THE LAW!! Simple solution!!!

7/6/2017 8:25:28 PM Voter I D laws? | Page 5  

ludlowlowell
Over 10,000 Posts!!! (33,977)
Panama City, FL
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Vote early and often in the Chicago Democratic primary.

7/6/2017 8:31:50 PM Voter I D laws? | Page 5  

jillybodob
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Naperville, IL
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And if you live in Cali and are not a citizen, feel free to vote all you like.

7/6/2017 8:33:47 PM Voter I D laws? | Page 5  
annamally
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Santa Clarita, CA
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Quote from jillybodob:
And if you live in Cali and are not a citizen, feel free to vote all you like.


And they do .....

7/6/2017 8:36:29 PM Voter I D laws? | Page 5  

jillybodob
Over 10,000 Posts!!! (21,924)
Naperville, IL
27, joined Jul. 2013


It's Cali. I'll be damned their popular vote should override the other 49 states.

And here come Puerto Rico wanting to be the 51st state. Why, because they are broke.

Wake up America.

7/6/2017 8:37:39 PM Voter I D laws? | Page 5  
fallguy02379
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Brockton, MA
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Quote from annamally:
And they do .....


posts facts please

7/6/2017 8:43:15 PM Voter I D laws? | Page 5  

scarredandtatto
Over 10,000 Posts!!! (44,251)
Oral, SD
52, joined Aug. 2013


yeah! Like she's got facts

7/6/2017 8:44:03 PM Voter I D laws? | Page 5  
annamally
Over 10,000 Posts!!! (13,782)
Santa Clarita, CA
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Way TOOOOOO easy to commit voter fraud in Cali. I could have easily voted under my neighbors name .


There are many more, too many to put here. Most follow the same theme: Trump foolishly followed the faulty analysis of Gregg Phillips of True The Vote, an online anti-voter-fraud site and app. Phillips estimates that illegals cast three million votes in the 2016 election. He's wrong, say the media. Heck, even the liberal fact-checking site FactCheck.org says so.

But, in fact, it's almost certain that illegals did vote — and in significant numbers. Whether it was three million or not is another question.

While states control the voter registration process, some states are so notoriously slipshod in their controls (California, Virginia and New York — all of which have political movements to legalize voting by noncitizens — come to mind) that it would be shocking if many illegals didn't vote. Remember, a low-ball estimate says there are at least 11 million to 12 million illegals in the U.S., but that's based on faulty Census data. More likely estimates put the number at 20 million to 30 million.

What's disappointing is that instead of at least seriously considering Trump's charge, many media reports merely parrot leftist talking points and anti-Trump rhetoric by pushing the idea that Republicans and others not of the progressive left who seek to limit voting to citizens only are racist, xenophobic nuts.

But there is evidence to back Trump's claims. A 2014 study in the online Electoral Studies Journal shows that in the 2008 and 2010 elections, illegal immigrant votes were in fact quite high.

"We find that some noncitizens participate in U.S. elections, and that this participation has been large enough to change meaningful election outcomes including Electoral College votes, and congressional elections," wrote Jesse T. Richman, Gulshan A. Chattha, both of Old Dominion University, and David C. Earnest of George Mason University.

More specifically, they write, "Noncitizen votes likely gave Senate Democrats the pivotal 60th vote needed to overcome filibusters in order to pass health care reform and other Obama administration priorities in the 111th Congress."

Specifically, the authors say that illegals may have cast as many as 2.8 million votes in 2008 and 2010. That's a lot of votes. And when you consider the population of illegal inhabitants has only grown since then, it's not unreasonable to suppose that their vote has, too.

Critics note that a Harvard team in 2015 had responded to the study, calling it "biased." But that report included this gem: "Further, the likely percent of noncitizen voters in recent U.S. elections is 0."

Really? That's simply preposterous, frankly, as anyone who has lived in California can attest. Leftist get-out-the-vote groups openly urge noncitizens to vote during election time, and the registration process is notoriously loose. To suggest there is no illegal voting at all is absurd.

What's appalling, as we said, is not the media's skepticism, but its denial. But why? Illegal votes shouldn't be allowed to sway U.S. elections. So why tolerate them?

When the far left began insinuating that the Russians had hacked the election, the media treated the nonsupported claims with the utmost of respect. They still do. But not Trump's suggestion that illegals voted, and in large numbers, mainly for Democratic candidates, including Hillary Clinton.

And, yes, Trump is right: Illegal votes may in part explain why Hillary now has a nearly two-million-vote lead in the popular vote, even though she lost convincingly in the Electoral College. A Rasmussen Reports poll earlier this year found that 53% of the Democratic Party supports letting illegals vote, even though it's against the law. It's pretty clear why.

Yes, there is room for skepticism of any claim that's made. But every vote cast by someone who isn't by law permitted to vote disenfranchises American citizens. The charge should at least be taken seriously.

Meanwhile, we will expect the media to continue to give its fawning attention to the spurious challenges of nonexistent vote tampering leveled by Hillary Clinton and Jill Stein, on behalf of the progressive wing of the Democratic Party.

While the media savage Trump and his motives, please recall what Hillary said in the debates: that the idea a defeated candidate wouldn't recognize the results of the election was "horrifying." And she has also agreed there is no "actionable evidence" of either hacking or outside interference, despite joining with Stein to seek recounts.

So what about Clinton's motives?

As for Stein, who barely registered a blip on the 2016 electoral screen, the $5 million or so she has raised to pay for recounts really seems more like a ploy to bail out her failed campaign than a serious attempt at a recount. But the media continue to treat her like a serious political operator — not the far-left kook she is.

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jillybodob
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While every state recorded their vote by 3am election night, Cali took a month and Hillary's count just kept going up every day. In the land of Silicon Valley and technology?

Wake up America.

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Quote from fallguy02379:
posts facts please


share as many opinion articles as you want............doesn't equal a fact



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wvtravlrr
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To do what I do for a living..

You need 3...count em 3..Federal IDs..

A TWIC card.. with a backround check by the NSA..

A HAZMAT endorsement on a driver license..with a backround check by the FBI..

A Passport Card...with a backround check by the State Dept....

To obtain all 3 of these you must prove your citizenship with at least 2 supportting documents..

My Health history has become instantly available to Law Enfocement...all they have to do is run my CDL..

And you people b*tch because someone is asked to show ID to vote?????....

Kiss my ass....

7/6/2017 9:19:00 PM Voter I D laws? | Page 5  

jillybodob
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And if you want to build a 10 mile road, you'll need 142 permits and 15 years to get it approved.

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jason_in_tx
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Quote from jillybodob:
While every state recorded their vote by 3am election night, Cali took a month and Hillary's count just kept going up every day. In the land of Silicon Valley and technology?

Wake up America.


Jilly is being a stupid f**k again.

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Again? Shit, try continues to be...

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Quote from fallguy02379:
share as many opinion articles as you want............doesn't equal a fact



Aren't all articles " opinion " pieces ??? How many do you want me to post ? Douche !


California’s voter registration system is “highly susceptible to being compromised,” because of immigration policies protecting the Golden State’s 2.4 million illegal immigrants, authorities have told Fox News.

The integrity of elections may be compromised by a lack of oversight of non-citizens registering and voting, said Hans von Spakovsky, manager of the Election Law Reform Initiative and senior legal fellow for the Institute for Constitutional Government at The Heritage Foundation.

 “If you are talking about California, the state is apparently relying on the illegal alien to tell the state they shouldn’t be registered. There is still an honor system,” said von Spakovsky, co-author of the book “Who's Counting? How Fraudsters and Bureaucrats Put Your Vote at Risk.”

The problem with California is there is no separate verification of citizenship on voter registration, said Charles Bell, Jr., a partner with California-based Bell, McAndrews & Hiltachk, LLP, a law firm that specializes in election law. Applicants can check a box affirming they are citizens, and this is not checked against any other government database such as federal immigration records.

“We have an honor system, which is effective for people who are honorable, but is also an opportunity for people who are not honorable,” Bell said. “There is a gap in the system, and we don’t have administrative folks who will be aggressive about looking into that.”

One concern, said Jessica Vaughan, director of policy studies for the Washington D.C.-based Center for Immigration Studies, is that California issues driver’s licenses to illegal immigrants, allowing them to automatically be registered to vote under the federal “motor-voter” laws. Since the AB60 law went into effect in 2015, 806,000 illegal immigrants have received a license.

However, a spokesperson for the California Secretary of State countered that while state law prohibits the Department of Motor Vehicles from sharing AB 60 applicant information with the public and most state agencies, including the Secretary of State’s office, AB 60 license applicants are not afforded voter registration opportunities when visiting the DMV.

MOST NEW CALIFORNIA LICENSES GO TO DRIVERS IN COUNTRY ILLEGALLY

There is no driver’s license required to register to vote, and there are stiff penalties for illegally voting, the spokesman said. 

Even John Podesta, former chairman of the 2016 Hillary Clinton presidential campaign, acknowledged in a leaked email that driver’s licenses do provide a loophole.

“On the picture ID, the one thing I have thought of in that space is that if you show up on Election Day with a driver’s license with a picture, attest that you are a citizen, you have a right to vote in federal elections,” Podesta wrote in a February 2015 email leaked by Wikileaks.  

President Donald Trump set off a firestorm when he wrote in a November 27 tweet that he would have won the country’s popular vote if the “millions of people who voted illegally” hadn’t voted. He alleged voter fraud in California, among other states. Trump won the Electoral College, but lost the popular vote by nearly 3 million, largely because of California voters.

California Secretary of State Alex Padilla immediately called Trump’s allegations of voter fraud “false and unsubstantiated” and “corrosive lies without any evidence.”

While Trump said voter fraud won’t be tolerated under his administration, past presidents didn’t make election integrity a priority, said Vaughan. The federal government can help local or state government agencies verify citizenship of registered voters, but the Obama administration blocked state and local governments from using the federal verification system, Vaughan said.   

Claude Arnold, who served as the former Special Agent in Charge for the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement Homeland Security Investigations in Southern California, Nevada, Minnesota, Iowa, Nebraska, North Dakota and South Dakota, said he has witnessed voter fraud firsthand.

“Throughout my 27-year career with [Immigration and Naturalization Service] and ICE, I arrested hundreds of illegal criminal aliens who had voter registration cards,” Arnold said. “They would often admit they voted, but they were rarely prosecuted for illegally voting.”

CALIFORNIA WITHDRAWS REQUEST TO LET ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS BUY OBAMACARE INSURANCE

He said most of the time, the alleged criminals were registered Democrats.

“Just one time,” he said, “the person was a registered Republican.”

There are many advocacy groups that want voter registration to be simpler.

The Brennan Center for Justice wants automatic voter registration laws to be expanded across the country.

The law, which was passed in California, Oregon, Vermont, West Virginia, Connecticut and Alaska, means eligible citizens who interact with government agencies are registered to vote unless they decline to do so. Government agencies must transfer voter-registration information to election officials.

In California alone, the automatic voter registration law could lead to an estimated 6.6 million eligible but unregistered voters being added to the rolls, the Brennan Center for Justice reported.

“[Automatic voter registration laws] create a seamless process that is more convenient and less error-prone for both voters and government officials,” the institute said in a statement. “This policy boosts registration rates, cleans up the rolls, makes voting more convenient, and reduces the potential for voter fraud – all while lowering costs.”

Malia Zimmerman is an award-winning investigative reporter focusing on crime, homeland security, illegal immigration crime, terrorism and political corruption. Follow her on twitter at @MaliaMZimmerman

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jillybodob
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I stayed up all night that night you stupid f**k.



Quote from jason_in_tx:
Jilly is being a stupid f**k again.


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jason_in_tx
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Quote from jillybodob:I stayed up all night that night you stupid f**k.





Why the f**k should I care about your sleeping habits?



[Edited 7/6/2017 9:40:52 PM ]

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fallguy02379
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share as many opinion articles as you want............doesn't equal a fact



see how bitter they become




facts, deal with facts for a change

everyone has an opinion

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jillybodob
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Because your an idiot moron who only knows what NBC tells you to think.