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8/6/2017 1:56:17 PM Atheists vs Christians, both believe in what | Page 2  

M4mischief
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If you look at how life is created its birthed by the coming together of two things....why cant it be since new planets are birthed all the time...that's how the universe indeed came to be....and from there other things came together to form life....actual planets are alive so I don't really see it as far fetched as some god placing us here....

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Quote from dan9787_3:
I don't need you to know that, I don't know why you said that??


I said what I said based on the first sentence in your reply to Iam, Dan, you associated the two. Maybe you just slipped in the writing, I don't know.

8/6/2017 1:57:21 PM Atheists vs Christians, both believe in what | Page 2  

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Quote from gdaddy47:
Not really true, once a theory is proven then it becomes natural law. People believe in natural law. Evaporation, collection of moisture, hence rain. That's a natural law we believe in.


He means the process of acquiring knowledge is not about belief, but rigorous scientific method.

They try to know, understand accurately.

Science itself is not about belief even if some scientists may develop them....

8/6/2017 1:59:11 PM Atheists vs Christians, both believe in what | Page 2  

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Quote from cern_:
I said what I said based on the first sentence in your reply to Iam, Dan, you associated the two. Maybe you just slipped in the writing, I don't know.


I was saying that yes, scientific knowledge can influence your belief (or not) in God. Not that science itself is about belief.

And yes, I know atheism can be about lack of belief...

8/6/2017 3:00:23 PM Atheists vs Christians, both believe in what | Page 2  

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Quote from M4mischief:
If you look at how life is created its birthed by the coming together of two things....why cant it be since new planets are birthed all the time...that's how the universe indeed came to be....and from there other things came together to form life....actual planets are alive so I don't really see it as far fetched as some god placing us here....





they are birthed because the components exist within space to birth such things [gases, matter, black matter, energy, force, gravity, electromagnetics, etc].

but in the beginning there was none of that and suddenly it just became is the proposal brought by science.

but who is to say if there is a God that God did not provide the components to nothing that suddenly became something.

for without the energy matter, black matter, plasma, gases, etc there could not be a beginning birth. and the scientific explanation is there was none of that matter from word go and it just happened by accident...accident is a clever term for not being able to pin point but to guess.

so the real question then: how did all of that matter and energy come from if there was literally nothing?

it cannot be natural because everything in nature is intended to be connected. so nature is not the accident.

so who is the cause of the accident, would be the trillion dollar question?



[Edited 8/6/2017 3:01:16 PM ]

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gdaddy47
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It's all about what a person choses to believe in. If you want to believe that a witch doctor can cure you ails then have at it. This low IQ Southern country boy choses to believe in God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit. It works for me. I believe I'm hungry. Later.


Where did space come from?



[Edited 8/6/2017 3:04:53 PM ]

8/6/2017 3:07:22 PM Atheists vs Christians, both believe in what | Page 2  

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Quote from iam_resurrected:

so the real question then: how did all of that matter and energy come from if there was literally nothing?




I believe these questions are all answered under the "SHIT HAPPENS THEORY".



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8/6/2017 3:34:06 PM Atheists vs Christians, both believe in what | Page 2  

cern_
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Quote from gdaddy47:
Dang cern, you smarter than Sagan? Well now that's amazing bless your heart. Oh where did the proton come from. If there is nothing where did something come from? Really I'd like to know. Nah, I couldn't understand that scientific thing.


Kindly allow me to skip over your hillbilly gibberish, "feller." We know that more than 13.7 billion years ago that nothing existed. Then out of nothingness came somethingness, here again your failed hypothesis of "the gods" is crushed. Unless you're positing that in a state of nothingness that "gods" created other "gods" that created other "gods" until a few more "gods" ultimately created an entire universe for your pleasure, sheesh, talk about solipsism, Super-Superstitionists such as "ya'll" are soiled in its mud. While it's tedious offline and online, human animals invented "the gods" and you have no evidence to the contrary.

8/6/2017 3:50:41 PM Atheists vs Christians, both believe in what | Page 2  

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Cern, dang boy you're just a freaking genius. Everyone is totally wowed by your genius. Hillbilly no. Country boy yes. I even have shoes and running water in my house.

8/6/2017 4:05:27 PM Atheists vs Christians, both believe in what | Page 2  

iam_resurrected
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Quote from cern_:
Kindly allow me to skip over your hillbilly gibberish, "feller." We know that more than 13.7 billion years ago that nothing existed. Then out of nothingness came somethingness, here again your failed hypothesis of "the gods" is crushed. Unless you're positing that in a state of nothingness that "gods" created other "gods" that created other "gods" until a few more "gods" ultimately created an entire universe for your pleasure, sheesh, talk about solipsism, Super-Superstitionists such as "ya'll" are soiled in its mud. While it's tedious offline and online, human animals invented "the gods" and you have no evidence to the contrary.







just for Cern:


Multiple independent evidences confirm an ancient earth, including 40 different methods of radiometric dating and numerous non-radiometric measurements: Ice core samples from Antarctica and Greenland provide an unbroken record of annual ice layers spanning the past 800,000 years. Annual tree ring records provide a continuous record of the past 15,000 years. Coral reefs record long ages of growth (Eniwetok Reef 140,000 years, and the Grand Bahama Reef 790,000 years). Ancient annual lake varve sediments provide evidence of earth’s history dating back 15 to 20 million years.42

Both young-earth and old-earth creationists believe God created all life. OECs believe God created the earliest primitive micro-organisms on earth approximately 3.8 billion years ago and continued to create life through the “days” of creation (long epochs of time), including all plant life, sea and flying creatures, land animals including primitive bipedal primates, and finally humanity’s actual historical parents, Adam and Eve, God’s “crown-jewel” of creation, made in His image (Imago Dei).

Further, OECs believe the irreducibly complex biomachinery found in cells and the complex specified information present within protein molecules and DNA code clearly and unequivocally point to an Intelligent Designer—God. Renowned British Philosopher Antony Flew, a former atheist, writes, “It is impossible for evolution to account for the fact that one single cell can carry more data than all the volumes of the Encyclopedia Britannica.” Herbert Yockey, physicist and information theorist, states the universe is at least 1010,000,000,000 times too small or too young to permit life to be assembled by natural processes.55 So whether planet Earth is 6,000 years old or 4.5 billion years old, it is still too young to generate life through naturalistic processes.

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Quote from gdaddy47:
Cern, dang boy you're just a freaking genius. Everyone is totally wowed by your genius. Hillbilly no. Country boy yes. I even have shoes and running water in my house.



Same here. Ole cernypoo called me all kinds of names , hillbilly being one of them and then blocked me.

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cern_
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Quote from gdaddy47:
Cern, dang boy you're just a freaking genius. Everyone is totally wowed by your genius. Hillbilly no. Country boy yes. I even have shoes and running water in my house.


Again, skipping over your yahoo nonsense, you're tacitly conceding that you're now totally nonplussed, and with your extra-added benefit, albeit reluctantly, of finding yourself in agreement with astrophysics, particle physics, cosmos origins, astronomy, reason and me.

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M4mischief
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Quote from iam_resurrected:
they are birthed because the components exist within space to birth such things [gases, matter, black matter, energy, force, gravity, electromagnetics, etc].

but in the beginning there was none of that and suddenly it just became is the proposal brought by science.

but who is to say if there is a God that God did not provide the components to nothing that suddenly became something.

for without the energy matter, black matter, plasma, gases, etc there could not be a beginning birth. and the scientific explanation is there was none of that matter from word go and it just happened by accident...accident is a clever term for not being able to pin point but to guess.

so the real question then: how did all of that matter and energy come from if there was literally nothing?

it cannot be natural because everything in nature is intended to be connected. so nature is not the accident.

so who is the cause of the accident, would be the trillion dollar question?




Energy has always existed...it never goes away it just changes forms....so I don't that something put it there...I think it always has been....and we don't know there was nothing....and nobody had to be the cause....it just became what it is....via the natural laws that have always existed before they were ever labelled....

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blake6972
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It takes more faith to believe a lie then it does the Truth.

8/6/2017 5:07:02 PM Atheists vs Christians, both believe in what | Page 2  

M4mischief
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who says its the truth?...one thing religion does it teaches people to parrot vs. to think for themselves....people believed jim jones was telling the truth too but guess what?...he wasn't.... It wants people to stay blind and not see the reality and all the inconsistencies....if someone today came and said they were the son of god they would be put in the looney bin....so why should anybody believe that 1000's of years ago it was the truth?....

8/6/2017 5:07:14 PM Atheists vs Christians, both believe in what | Page 2  

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Quote from iam_resurrected:
and hippo, my last post...is that shoving my beliefs down your throat or asking you a logical question?

Little bit of both.
I would say I was a lucky survivor.
And that's the issue I am having.
Not many religious people will say " oh ok I respect your opinion."
Most will just try to convince me that it wasn't luck.

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iam_resurrected
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from hippo65:
Little bit of both.
I would say I was a lucky survivor.
And that's the issue I am having.
Not many religious people will say " oh ok I respect your opinion."
Most will just try to convince me that it wasn't luck.













i am not trying to convince you at all of anything.
i like the term "lucky" myself.
but even the science behind luck states that luck is impossible.

which outside using the term "God," i wanted to know what you felt

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blake6972
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Quote from M4mischief:
who says its the truth?...one thing religion does it teaches people to parrot vs. to think for themselves....people believed jim jones was telling the truth too but guess what?...he wasn't.... It wants people to stay blind and not see the reality and all the inconsistencies....if someone today came and said they were the son of god they would be put in the looney bin....so why should anybody believe that 1000's of years ago it was the truth?....


I wouldn't compare Jim Jones false message to the message of Jesus Christ.

Thats absurd and ridiculous.

Jesus is the Son of God. He was horrifically beaten, spit upon, mocked, and crucified according to the Scriptures.

People thought he was a lunatic because they could not comprehend what He was claiming to be.

But, He was exactly who He claimed to be.

After he was crucified, He was buried (in a borrowed tomb) and rose on the third day according to God's Word.

Death had no sting, and the grave had NO victory.



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iam_resurrected
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from M4mischief:
Energy has always existed...it never goes away it just changes forms....so I don't that something put it there...I think it always has been....and we don't know there was nothing....and nobody had to be the cause....it just became what it is....via the natural laws that have always existed before they were ever labelled....








i was stating that science claims there was nothing before energy became into its own

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cern_
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Quote from M4mischief:
Energy has always existed...it never goes away it just changes forms....so I don't that something put it there...I think it always has been....and we don't know there was nothing....and nobody had to be the cause....it just became what it is....via the natural laws that have always existed before they were ever labelled....



At least with you, my Canadian friend, I know that I'm not dealing with a friggin' yahooish mentality, you're not one that has rejected reason. If by "always" you mean 13.72 billion years ago when "energy" began with the Bang then you're spot-on target. We unequivocally know that there was nothing before something.


8/6/2017 6:03:58 PM Atheists vs Christians, both believe in what | Page 2  

iam_resurrected
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Hippo,
when the mega and power ball hit over 100 million i play it.
one day if i win it will be due to luck, even if science claims, luck is a myth and not something that actually happens.
but i cannot see winning being of God either.


so, if it is not luck nor God then what do i classify it if i should win?

fluke, maybe



[Edited 8/6/2017 6:04:54 PM ]

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hippo65
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Quote from iam_resurrected:
from hippo65:
Little bit of both.
I would say I was a lucky survivor.
And that's the issue I am having.
Not many religious people will say " oh ok I respect your opinion."
Most will just try to convince me that it wasn't luck.













i am not trying to convince you at all of anything.
i like the term "lucky" myself.
but even the science behind luck states that luck is impossible.
inn
which outside using the term "God," i wanted to know what you felt

Meh...I don't give too much thought about the subject I keep my opinion to myself unless provoked.
Not a well spoken person anyway so that makes it difficult to argue if I would want to.
People should just leave each other alone.
A religious person will not convinced me, and I won't convince a religious person no matter what.
If I almost got hit by a car I would say phew that was close I was lucky I didn't got hurt.
Not that God saved me.

If you won a lottery I would say you were lucky.
People pray to win,so why won't day?



[Edited 8/6/2017 6:10:49 PM ]

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hippo65
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* they*
Why won't they.
It was too late to edit.

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yetskimama
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This is so simple,,, you believe or you don't

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iam_resurrected
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from hippo65:
* they*
Why won't they.
It was too late to edit.













prayer is for me to pray for you, not for my selfish desires


prayer only works when it is unselfish and praying for your needs would be an unselfish act.

where praying for the lottery is selfishness for my own desires.



[Edited 8/6/2017 6:30:14 PM ]

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Quote from iam_resurrected:
from hippo65:
* they*
Why won't they.
It was too late to edit.













prayer is for me to pray for you, not for my selfish desires


prayer only works when it is unselfish and praying for your needs would be an unselfish act.

where praying for the lottery is selfishness for my own desires.




So all this time I have been praying that someday I will get laid again

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_Technologist01
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I don't believe in prayer for material things, I think it is wrong to do so. I pray for guidance, strength, and wisdom

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Quote from _Technologist01:
I don't believe in prayer for material things, I think it is wrong to do so. I pray for guidance, strength, and wisdom
and one would think not to wreck another car

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_Technologist01
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Quote from killerbugs53:
and one would think not to wreck another car


That's where guidance comes in

Lord KNOWS I need it

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Quote from iam_resurrected:

prayer is for me to pray for you, not for my selfish desires


prayer only works when it is unselfish and praying for your needs would be an unselfish act.

where praying for the lottery is selfishness for my own desires.

I see..I heard a few prayers in my life.
The person was asking for things for themselves.
It was kinda like please Lord give me this or that


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_Technologist01
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Hippo,



Quote from _Technologist01:
I don't believe in prayer for material things, I think it is wrong to do so. I pray for guidance, strength, and wisdom



Everybody prays in different ways, just like everybody has different beliefs!

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hippo65
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I don't pray.
I might wish for this and that, not always things.
Patience with my daughter.
A flat tire for the idiot who cut me off.
Stuff like that.

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hello_bad_kitti
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God is


Love

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blake6972
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Absolutely.

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Quote from iam_resurrected:
just for Cern:


Multiple independent evidences confirm an ancient earth, including 40 different methods of radiometric dating and numerous non-radiometric measurements: Ice core samples from Antarctica and Greenland provide an unbroken record of annual ice layers spanning the past 800,000 years. Annual tree ring records provide a continuous record of the past 15,000 years. Coral reefs record long ages of growth (Eniwetok Reef 140,000 years, and the Grand Bahama Reef 790,000 years). Ancient annual lake varve sediments provide evidence of earth’s history dating back 15 to 20 million years.42

Both young-earth and old-earth creationists believe God created all life. OECs believe God created the earliest primitive micro-organisms on earth approximately 3.8 billion years ago and continued to create life through the “days” of creation (long epochs of time), including all plant life, sea and flying creatures, land animals including primitive bipedal primates, and finally humanity’s actual historical parents, Adam and Eve, God’s “crown-jewel” of creation, made in His image (Imago Dei).

Further, OECs believe the irreducibly complex biomachinery found in cells and the complex specified information present within protein molecules and DNA code clearly and unequivocally point to an Intelligent Designer—God. Renowned British Philosopher Antony Flew, a former atheist, writes, “It is impossible for evolution to account for the fact that one single cell can carry more data than all the volumes of the Encyclopedia Britannica.” Herbert Yockey, physicist and information theorist, states the universe is at least 1010,000,000,000 times too small or too young to permit life to be assembled by natural processes.55 So whether planet Earth is 6,000 years old or 4.5 billion years old, it is still too young to generate life through naturalistic processes.


Fascinating. Thanks for posting that!

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korbyn
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Just to refresh your memory: I was pushing you GOOD information on Project MK ULTRA when your boys killed a Chimerican Communist (with the Young Pioneers) scouting around for a place to put the next Nike factory someday. The world gained (since guys like that SHOULD be killed) but you and I both lost. I haven't heard from you since Poster Boy bought it.

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fairymaiden
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Quote from iam_resurrected:
prayer is for me to pray for you, not for my selfish desires


prayer only works when it is unselfish and praying for your needs would be an unselfish act.

where praying for the lottery is selfishness for my own desires.


Not sure where you get that from, it must be something your "religion" taught you but that hasn't been my experience at all.

I believe that they want us to be happy. Therefore, there is absolutely nothing we cannot do, be or have. It's all a learning experience about creating our own reality and learning from our mistakes. I know for certain that there is nothing I have ever done, nothing I am doing now or nothing I will do in the future that would be labeled as wrong by them. Hence, there is no sin. There's just acceptance from them.

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both believe in the power of boobies!

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iam_resurrected
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from hippo65:
I see..I heard a few prayers in my life.
The person was asking for things for themselves.
It was kinda like please Lord give me this or that










what people don't realize is even those certain things about the church seem silly it does work as well.

example: i feel that tithing is a good thing but not to the church. i will take my 10% and help my family with it. what is interesting about that is i keep getting more work, people have over quoted themselves [i have told them] but they still pay their quotes, i had someone pay for my meal the other day just because they chose to.

i don't need my meals paid for or my work to be over priced and yet it happens all because i choose to give to others.

and prayer falls in the same mind frame.

i pray for others to have good health, to be able to meet their needs, to be successful in things and for some reason those things have benefitted me as well.

it's why i state: i do not just read a scripture and say to myself, cool. no, i put it to the test to see if it really works. since it works it makes me doubt that it is not inspired so it is more reason to believe as i do.

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cern_
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Quote from fairymaiden:
Fascinating. Thanks for posting that!


All that Iam did was to hit one of hundreds of apologetics sites, then copy and paste the obvious lies into a post.

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iam_resurrected
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from fairymaiden:
Fascinating. Thanks for posting that!



















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iam_resurrected
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from cern_:
All that Iam did was to hit one of hundreds of apologetics sites, then copy and paste the obvious lies into a post.












you seem upset because the math from ATHEIST Herbert Yockey is a fact.


Herbert Yockey physicist and information theorist, states the universe is at least 1010,000,000,000 times too small or too young to permit life to be assembled by natural processes.




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iam_resurrected
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So whether planet Earth is 6,000 years old or 4.5 billion years old, it is still too young to generate life through naturalistic processes.



this means evolution is not correct according to atheist Herbert Yockey


i have something else for you Cern, give me a sec

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iam_resurrected
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PROOF THE UNIVERSE IS NOT 13.8 BILLION YEARS OLD!!


In order to calculate the age of the universe using Hubble's law, red shift is used to measure the distance of distant cosmic objects. If red shift doesn't accurately measure distance and velocity we don't have an accurate measurements to calculate the age of the universe. There are problems with the idea that red shift correlates linearly with velocity and distance. It can't be known if something is naturally red or only red because it is travelling quickly away from you. There is also evidence to strongly suggest that red shift doesn't correlate with distance and velocity, including several examples of high red shift quasars being clustered together with low red shift galaxies indicating that the quasars are actually nearby with the galaxy different from what the red shift suggests [1]. And if red shift doesn't accurately measure distance and velocity as this information suggests, then the age of the universe can't be accurately measured with Hubble's law since we don't know the distance to the edges of the universe.

The evidence that quasars are connected to galaxies is much more than just the amount of times quasars appear near galaxies. There are visible connections between galaxies and quasars despite some scientists ignoring them [1]. So there are reasons to doubt that red shift correlates with distance.

As for the cosmic microwave background, there is way too much interference from the galactic center to accurately measure the cosmic microwave background [2]. Thus it can't be reliable enough to get an accurate age since the Big Bang, even if the Big Bang did happen.

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iam_resurrected
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^what this is stating along with the other copy/paste i added is that science is full of lies and are making crap up as they go

but we already know this because i have only mentioned it at least 50 times now

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cern_
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Quote from _Technologist01:
Hippo,



Quote from _Technologist01:
I don't believe in prayer for material things, I think it is wrong to do so. I pray for guidance, strength, and wisdom



Everybody prays in different ways, just like everybody has different beliefs!



Wrong again, and on both counts.

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korbyn
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Iam. There are people that have microwave beam weapons that they shoot at certain people without their knowledge (most of the time a neighbor) and also there are towers placed at various points all over the place that release a barely audible sound (that humming sound that many people hear in the background all the time) and it can affect a person in different ways. Some of it can make you feel more religious or spiritual. I believe that is the hum that many of us hear. It makes people have religious/spiritual experiences. Part of what they called "Project Blue Beam". Look it up. That is why often times people that live in certain locations are more religious than people that live in other locations.



[Edited 8/6/2017 8:50:52 PM ]

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inde_5
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Tom stuck his chocolate in Janes peanut butter.
.....Janes peanut butter stuck to Toms chocolate.

Iv always believed peanut butter & chocolate go well together.

Especially when both cum together in a little Reeses cup!

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gdaddy47
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Quote from cern_:
Wrong again, and on both counts.




Cern you say that with such certainty. It's like you just speak and it's truth for EVERYONE. Think highly of yourself much? Go on boy and hush. Do we need to take a vote to see if everyone on here sees the truth as you see it?

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korbyn
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We live in petri dishes. Experiments. The Hum. The chem-trails, Mandela Effects. These are various experiments being carried out on different "control groups".

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korbyn
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Being blasted in the brain repeatedly with a microwave beam weapon is sheer torture. That shit is done by sadists. That's some really bad shit.

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iam_resurrected
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from korbyn:
Iam. There are people that have microwave beam weapons that they shoot at certain people without their knowledge (most of the time a neighbor) and also there are towers placed at various points all over the place that release a barely audible sound (that humming sound that many people hear in the background all the time) and it can affect a person in different ways. Some of it can make you feel more religious or spiritual. I believe that is the hum that many of us hear. It makes people have religious/spiritual experiences. Part of what they called "Project Blue Beam". Look it up. That is why often times people that live in certain locations are more religious than people that live in other locations.











my closest neighbor is a mile away. my property is fully surrounded by wind breaks and enough trees nothing is getting through. so, tell this to someone who will fall for it


i require a 40 foot tower that had to be added to top of my barn because nothing gets through from the tree line



[Edited 8/6/2017 8:56:41 PM ]

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tearsofdiamondz
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There is no Venn diagram with overlap for Christians and atheists.

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korbyn
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Recent Mandela effects have changed the location of our hearts in our bodies from left (I think that is where it used to be, may have been the right side) to center of the chest. Look it up. Also the shape of our skulls have changed slightly but I can't quite remember what the difference was. Also some of the scriptures in the Bible have changed. For example, the Bible used to say the Lion shall lay down with the Lamb, but now it says the Wolf shall lay down with the lamb. There are still residual effects of that such as this picture:






The scripture says "wolf" but the picture still shows a lion.

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korbyn
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Quote from iam_resurrected:
from korbyn:
Iam. There are people that have microwave beam weapons that they shoot at certain people without their knowledge (most of the time a neighbor) and also there are towers placed at various points all over the place that release a barely audible sound (that humming sound that many people hear in the background all the time) and it can affect a person in different ways. Some of it can make you feel more religious or spiritual. I believe that is the hum that many of us hear. It makes people have religious/spiritual experiences. Part of what they called "Project Blue Beam". Look it up. That is why often times people that live in certain locations are more religious than people that live in other locations.











my closest neighbor is a mile away. my property is fully surrounded by wind breaks and enough trees nothing is getting through. so, tell this to someone who will fall for it


i require a 40 foot tower that had to be added to top of my barn because nothing gets through from the tree line



Yeah you are probably blocked from microwave beams. Those are pretty easy to block once you are aware you are being hit with one. But nothing blocks The Hum. Do you hear the HUM? The sound. Its always there. That shit is all over the freaking place. That's something thats been going on for decades as far as I know and its everywhere. That Hum has effects on everyone's frame of minds. There are possibly different Hums in different locations. Thats why people that have similar views live in the same places.

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iam_resurrected
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Isaiah 11:6
The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.

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korbyn
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Quote from iam_resurrected:
Isaiah 11:6
The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.



Yes. It changed. It used to say the lion instead of wolf. That's why you still can find old pictures of the previous version of reality. For some reason some of the changes take time to fully "stick" and you can find remnants of older versions. They gradually fade away. Sometime soon you won't find pictures of a lion with a lamb at all. It has happened with other changes.