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6/18/2015 5:45:54 PM WTC truth ATTACKS on Pentagon. Destroying the EVIDENCE against them!  

class5
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Quote from 57channels:
Oh you mean the phony eyewitnesses, phony flight data, and phony radar recordings??? How about the witnesses that saw a plane [ not 77 of course ] fly over the Pentagon [ white plane ] right before the missile hit the Pentagon. You know----- to give off the illusion that a plane hit it. Dont think the ole F B I interviewed them huh??

Oh...but to be a naive country bumpkin


Ok, can you prove that the eyewitnesses were fake? The flight data is fake? The Radar is fake?

I know you can't because I've seen all the data confirmed and posted the sources here. Why would you continue to push such a line when the data is fully against you?

Furthermore, before one can even consider your outrageous claims, some supporting evidence wouldn't go astray. You know, for once in this thread it would be nice, rather than just reading unsubstantiated claims by fruitcakes who think they are the 'champions of truth'.



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6/18/2015 5:47:59 PM WTC truth ATTACKS on Pentagon. Destroying the EVIDENCE against them!  

class5
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You want me to waste 90 minutes of my time for what?

Please tell me what I am supposed to see and if you can, the pertinent minutes to look at.


Don't bother mate, it's just more of the usual unsubstantiated and illogical speculation.

I only got about 4 minutes in and I was sick of the usual rhetoric and presumptions.

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57channels
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Getting the entire Ingersoll photo collection was a major score because there were some images we hadn't seen online and they were all the original super high resolution versions in order.

In an extremely strange and suspicious twist that we can only pray is a coincidence, about a week after we had obtained the CITGO witnesses testimony on film, Christopher Landis committed suicide.

The obituary was published in the Washington post on November 16th 2006.

So this happened about 2.5 months after we met him and he gave us the images, and about a week after I was back there, had a tour of the VDOT again, and obtained the CITGO station witness interviews on camera.

Coincidence? We can only hope so but he was a very young man with 4 young children (2 boys and 2 girls) and a great job. We definitely thought he was noticeably nervous when we talked with him.
======================================================
How sadHow sad I would bet the odds of this being a suicide would be 1/10,000.

6/18/2015 9:37:21 PM WTC truth ATTACKS on Pentagon. Destroying the EVIDENCE against them!  

class5
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Quote from 57channels:
Getting the entire Ingersoll photo collection was a major score because there were some images we hadn't seen online and they were all the original super high resolution versions in order.

In an extremely strange and suspicious twist that we can only pray is a coincidence, about a week after we had obtained the CITGO witnesses testimony on film, Christopher Landis committed suicide.

The obituary was published in the Washington post on November 16th 2006.

So this happened about 2.5 months after we met him and he gave us the images, and about a week after I was back there, had a tour of the VDOT again, and obtained the CITGO station witness interviews on camera.

Coincidence? We can only hope so but he was a very young man with 4 young children (2 boys and 2 girls) and a great job. We definitely thought he was noticeably nervous when we talked with him.
======================================================
How sadHow sad I would bet the odds of this being a suicide would be 1/10,000.


Again:

Ok, can you prove that the eyewitnesses were fake? The flight data is fake? The Radar is fake?

I know you can't because I've seen all the data confirmed and posted the sources here. Why would you continue to push such a line when the data is fully against you?

Furthermore, before one can even consider your outrageous claims, some supporting evidence wouldn't go astray. You know, for once in this thread it would be nice, rather than just reading unsubstantiated claims by fruitcakes who think they are the 'champions of truth'.

6/19/2015 12:03:56 AM WTC truth ATTACKS on Pentagon. Destroying the EVIDENCE against them!  

srv63
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Quote from 57channels:
@SRV

I checked your link out about the Pentacon light poles. How sad is that that the guy in charge of the poles or clean up or [ cant think of the term ] had 2 boys and 2 girls and committed suicide???????????? Yeah right........just like the DC Madam I'm sure. Most likely a good chance he was murdered by the perps


Yep, you know damn well that's what happened and because of him and the other hundreds if not thousands of other victims losing their lives to these greedy money hungry jews pulling this murderous shit off, i will NEVER stop exposing the scumbags.I make deliveries every week and talk to many new customers and when this subject of 9/11 comes up, holy shit you would be amazed at how many people see thru the gooberments bullshit and know we have a major problem that's fixing to boil over.Don't ever feel like your alone thinking your the only ones thinking like you do, you would be amazed how many others are thinking and feeling the EXACT way

6/19/2015 12:22:26 AM WTC truth ATTACKS on Pentagon. Destroying the EVIDENCE against them!  

class5
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Quote from srv63:Don't ever feel like your alone thinking your the only ones thinking like you do, you would be amazed how many others are thinking and feeling the EXACT way



Yep, there will never be a shortage of idiots.

6/19/2015 12:35:43 AM WTC truth ATTACKS on Pentagon. Destroying the EVIDENCE against them!  

srv63
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Quote from tragicparrot:
It is obvious Craig Ranke from CIT (citizen investigation team) used nothing but lame manipulation tactics during his interview with the cab driver Lloyde England. The results? With the exception that asshat Craig clearly succeeded in frustrating Mr England, his so-called "investigation" to this day stands as nothing but a rude/cruel joke. Flight data recordings, radar, witnesses all proved it was 77 that knocked down the lampposts. Number of witnesses who claimed they saw a plane fly over and miss the Pentagon? NONE.


Apparently you didn't watch the video of eyewitness accounts because if you did, you would see the flight recorder data as well as ALL government data was BULLSHIT and deceptive because it does not jive a damn bit with EYEWITNESS TESTIMONY. Half of the so called eyewitnesses to flight 77 headed toward the pentagon SUPPOSEDLY watched it for damn near a minute as that jet is doing like 530 miles an hour headed in the direction of the pentacon in the flight path that supports your gooberments data.Now use that hat rack of yours that is supposed to contain a brain and ask yourself if after noticing or hearing a plane coming , if you are able to watch it for 1 minute while it is traveling 530 miles an hour and it is approximately 200 feet off of the ground.BULLSHIT---We can safely deduct them bullshit eyewitnesses as lying paid gooberment shills.

The other half of eyewitnesses accounts ALL support the same thing that the gooberments flight path info of flight 77 from their fancy radar, flight recorders and anything else that the gooberment had touched is DOCTORED UP BULLSHIT.

As far as that cab driver WHOS WIFE IS IN THE FBI,he tries denying that his car got hit by that pole while he was driving on the bridge. Guess what, look at the pics--HES ON THE BRIDGE. Then toward the end of the video..........i'm not saying so the lazy assed shills will have to watch it themselves which PROVES THE PENTACON WAS STAGED !!!!!
Stick that shit in your pipe and smoke it shills

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srv63
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Quote from class5:
Obviously not. I've answered your questions satisfactorily moron, and I'm not bothering with any more of your demands. I know you're not well educated, that is obvious, but you really need to understand the concept of 'burden of proof', and Little Man, it's all yours! LOLOL

So f**k off Redneck.


Aww, princess having a moment? Answer the 5 questions buttercup then class will finally move on and we can finally hand your a** to ya and show ya how a country boy can outwit an idiot with a fancy education

6/19/2015 12:45:39 AM WTC truth ATTACKS on Pentagon. Destroying the EVIDENCE against them!  

class5
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Quote from srv63:Apparently you didn't watch the video of eyewitness accounts because if you did, you would see the flight recorder data as well as ALL government data was BULLSHIT and deceptive because it does not jive a damn bit with EYEWITNESS TESTIMONY. Half of the so called eyewitnesses to flight 77 headed toward the pentagon SUPPOSEDLY watched it for damn near a minute as that jet is doing like 530 miles an hour headed in the direction of the pentacon in the flight path that supports your gooberments data.

The eyewitness testimony I posted pages back does not support your claim here.

Now use that hat rack of yours that is supposed to contain a brain and ask yourself if after noticing or hearing a plane coming , if you are able to watch it for 1 minute while it is traveling 530 miles an hour and it is approximately 200 feet off of the ground.BULLSHIT---We can safely deduct them bullshit eyewitnesses as lying paid gooberment shills.

A minute? Where do you find this tripe? The eyewitness accounts I posted pages back don't support your claim here.

The other half of eyewitnesses accounts ALL support the same thing that the gooberments flight path info of flight 77 from their fancy radar, flight recorders and anything else that the gooberment had touched is DOCTORED UP BULLSHIT.

But, of course you can't prove any of this and you just made it up. LOL How convenient for you, so whenever someone produces evidence that conflicts with your notions you can use this as an escape clause. Aren't you just the honest debater?

As far as that cab driver WHOS WIFE IS IN THE FBI,

Ooh, guilt by innuendo. Aren't you clever?


he tries denying that his car got hit by that pole while he was driving on the bridge. Guess what, look at the pics--HES ON THE BRIDGE.


And this means what exactly to you? Can you even articulate it?


then toward the end of the video..........i'm not saying so the lazy assed shills will have to watch it themselves which PROVES THE PENTACON WAS STAGED !!!!!
Stick that shit in your pipe and smoke it shills


And another vapid delaying tactic. And he finishes with the shill accusation just to remind us that he's a dichkead. We don't need confirmation kid. We know.

6/19/2015 12:46:38 AM WTC truth ATTACKS on Pentagon. Destroying the EVIDENCE against them!  
higgy51
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Quote from srv63:
If the pole was already laying on the ground, then what possible reason would you have for cutting the cast aluminum base from the concrete pillar supporting it?



HEY, SRV....YOU HAVE NOTHING TO SAY ABOUT THIS?

It does seem we have someone with a bit more knowledge than you about the construction of light poles!

I find it very strange (but not unusual I suppose) that you appear to skip past posts that debunk you.





Quote from hallucis:
The pole was broken from the base.there is no concrete pillar supporting it. There is a sonotube in the ground with four bolts sticking out of it. The base is bolted to the ground then the pole is attached to the base. I recently spent two weeks installing them in the area I live in.


6/19/2015 12:49:53 AM WTC truth ATTACKS on Pentagon. Destroying the EVIDENCE against them!  

class5
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Quote from srv63:Aww, princess having a moment?

No, just calling you on your BS.


Answer the 5 questions

Done ages ago. I don't follow truther demands and I don't particularly care about your crazy tales. You know we will rip you a new one so you are just delaying and evading. Nothing new there, as truthers have been doing that for years. And you can't possibly come up with anything I haven't already heard from some jerk well before you.



6/19/2015 12:54:26 AM WTC truth ATTACKS on Pentagon. Destroying the EVIDENCE against them!  

class5
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Quote from higgy51:

I find it very strange (but not unusual I suppose) that you appear to skip past posts that debunk you.

I don't find it odd. I don't believe anyone left in 9/11 truth is honest. They have all the info and refuse to process it owing to confirmation bias.

He'll probably run away now you've challenged him and come back after a couple of pages and act as if you never asked.



[Edited 6/19/2015 12:55:18 AM ]

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higgy51
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Quote from srv63:
DOCTORED UP BULLSHIT.

As far as that cab driver WHOS WIFE IS IN THE FBI,


Talking of DOCTORED BULLSHIT, she is NOT in the FBI, she cleans the offices, she is a CLEANER!!!

Don't forget, the CIT are Conspiracy Nutcsases like yourself, so they are on "your team".

Now, unless you can disprove CIT, you are debunked as she is NOT in the FBI.

Statement from Citizen Investigation Team 12/21/2010:

Pentagon attack cab driver Lloyde England informed us that his wife Shirley Hughes-England works for the FBI. When we asked him what she does for them he remained mysterious and said “She don’t talk about it- I don’t talk about it.” Almost two years later over the phone he told somebody else that she is a “cleaner”.

6/19/2015 12:59:28 AM WTC truth ATTACKS on Pentagon. Destroying the EVIDENCE against them!  

class5
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Quote from higgy51:Talking of DOCTORED BULLSHIT, she is NOT in the FBI, she cleans the offices, she is a CLEANER!!!

Don't forget, the CIT are Conspiracy Nutcsases like yourself, so they are on "your team".

Now, unless you can disprove CIT, you are debunked as she is NOT in the FBI.

Statement from Citizen Investigation Team 12/21/2010:

Pentagon attack cab driver Lloyde England informed us that his wife Shirley Hughes-England works for the FBI. When we asked him what she does for them he remained mysterious and said “She don’t talk about it- I don’t talk about it.” Almost two years later over the phone he told somebody else that she is a “cleaner”.


Not that it should matter. Just because they claimed his wife was in the FBI, how does that prove any misdeed or culpability?

It doesn't. It's just a trick to infer via innuendo and it's lame.

6/19/2015 1:04:38 AM WTC truth ATTACKS on Pentagon. Destroying the EVIDENCE against them!  

srv63
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Quote from class5:
Quote from srv63:Don't ever feel like your alone thinking your the only ones thinking like you do, you would be amazed how many others are thinking and feeling the EXACT way



Yep, there will never be a shortage of idiots.


Well shill, immediately during and after 9/11 the idiots which bought into the hoax of 9/11, their numbers were huge, (atleast 95% of america) but then every month and then every day forward, we started waking up and seeing the holes in the gooberments stories, their facts,their lies and deception and now WE THE TRUTHERS are the majority and were waking up our friends and neighbors to the truth to where we are a force to be reckoned with and only then will we get a real investigation to EXPOSE the greedy bastards that pulled 9/11 off and there wont be a damn rock they will be able to hide under or hole to slide into like saddam

6/19/2015 1:13:49 AM WTC truth ATTACKS on Pentagon. Destroying the EVIDENCE against them!  
higgy51
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Quote from class5:


Not that it should matter. Just because they claimed his wife was in the FBI, how does that prove any misdeed or culpability?

It doesn't. It's just a trick to infer via innuendo and it's lame.


And a typical lie or distortion of the truth by CT nutcases that never appear to bother checking the facts before posting.

Egg on face time again for srv.

6/19/2015 1:18:54 AM WTC truth ATTACKS on Pentagon. Destroying the EVIDENCE against them!  

class5
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Quote from srv63:Well shill, immediately during and after 9/11 the idiots which bought into the hoax of 9/11, their numbers were huge, (atleast 95% of america) but then every month and then every day forward, we started waking up and seeing the holes in the gooberments stories, their facts,their lies and deception and now WE THE TRUTHERS are the majority and were waking up our friends and neighbors to the truth to where we are a force to be reckoned with and only then will we get a real investigation to EXPOSE the greedy bastards that pulled 9/11 off and there wont be a damn rock they will be able to hide under or hole to slide into like saddam


LOLOL Crazy Conspiretard! The majority? Why then have most of the old truther sites gone into hibernation? Some haven't had any activity in weeks. Gage is desperate for some credibility. Fetzer, Jones, Bollyn, Ryan, Griffin & all the crank handlers are desperate for some attention. Yet you claim that it's more popular than ever before, even with fruitcake looney stories like no-planes. Bullshit, Buford.

Btw, posting thus is a logical fallacy know as argumentum ad populum, and invalid.

But being a d*ckhead you wouldn't know that so here's a link:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies

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class5
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Quote from higgy51:And a typical lie or distortion of the truth by CT nutcases that never appear to bother checking the facts before posting.

Egg on face time again for srv.


Keep it up! You are making him look ridiculous and I'm kind of enjoying seeing the troll get his arse kicked.



6/19/2015 1:26:46 AM WTC truth ATTACKS on Pentagon. Destroying the EVIDENCE against them!  
higgy51
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Quote from class5:
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Keep it up! You are making him look ridiculous


Well, it is hardly a difficult task Class.

I can't wait for this so called country bumpkins claim about the Pentagon or whatever he threatened us with, it seems so long ago now!!

6/19/2015 1:34:29 AM WTC truth ATTACKS on Pentagon. Destroying the EVIDENCE against them!  

class5
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Quote from higgy51:Well, it is hardly a difficult task Class.

I can't wait for this so called country bumpkins claim about the Pentagon or whatever he threatened us with, it seems so long ago now!!




I don't believe his claim is valid therefore I don't expect anything but a huge anti-climax. In my experience smoking guns tend to end up being water pistols, and broken at that!

Remember they said that about 7WTC? And of course, all the claims of AE911T about the building have been debunked, but Gage keeps those lies on his site. And he KNOWS the data he cites is incorrect, but he still sells it to his acolytes.

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jerryxy
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nah dis iz gud news

6/19/2015 1:18:45 PM WTC truth ATTACKS on Pentagon. Destroying the EVIDENCE against them!  

57channels
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c l-----ass

I saw the hour documentary that was on tv some 12 years ago and Jim Miegs was the idiot who tried to back up the official ,lie. For 1 solid hour......all he did was use idiotic metaphors and shallow straw man arguments to try and back up the official lie. It was the most pathetic, shallow, hollow, example of some govt. stooge trying to make the sheep think 19 Arabs pulled off the biggie. I bet the piece of govt. dung [ JIm Miegs ] hasnt looked in the mirror ever since....and YOU are exactly like him with your straw man arguments and your pathetic little offensive tactics that only tragic and higgy can stomach. A shill gets cornered.......all it can do is go on some stupid nonsensical offensive tactic rather than logically debating. Keep asking for 100% proof...when there is no 100% proof of anything

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57channels
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Of course the above post I am referring to is the Popular Mechanics stooge [ Jim Miegs ] blaspheming the official lie. Surprised Jimmy wasnt on the 9-11 Commission

6/19/2015 1:30:24 PM WTC truth ATTACKS on Pentagon. Destroying the EVIDENCE against them!  

57channels
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The Lies Are Out There


James Meigs, appointed editor of Popular Mechanics in May 2004, trashes skeptics of the official story of 9/11/01 as irresponsible disgracers of the memories of victims, apart from "we as a society."
This article has a page of Editor's Notes, The Lies Are Out There, written by James Meigs, whose previous columns have praised military technology (such as the UAVs used in Fallujah). Meigs places outside of society anyone who questions the official version of events of 9/11/01:
We as a society accept the basic premise that a group of Islamist terrorists hijacked four airplanes and turned them into weapons against us. ... Sadly, the noble search for truth is now being hijacked by a growing army of conspiracy theorists.
Meigs throws a series of insults at the conspiracy theorists, saying they ignore the facts and engage in elaborate, shadowy theorizing, and concludes his diatribe by saying:
Those who peddle fantasies that this country encouraged, permitted or actually carried out the attacks are libeling the truth -- and disgracing the memories of the thousands who died that day.
Besides trashing the skeptics, and conflating this country with its corrupt leaders, Meig's attempts to legitimate PM's investigation, saying:
We assembled a team of reporters and researchers, including professional fact checkers and the editors of PM, and methodically analyzed all 16 conspiracy claims. We interviewed scores of engineers, aviation experts, military officials, eyewitnesses and members of the investigative teams who have held the wreckage of the attacks in their own hands. We pored over photography, maps, blueprints, aviation logs and transcripts. In every single instance, we found that the facts used by the conspiracy theorists to support their fantasies were mistaken, misunderstood, or deliberately falsified.
This sounds impressive, but the article provides no evidence to back up these claims. It provides no footnotes to source its many assertions, and despite the scores of experts listed in its final section the article cites only a handful of them, and mostly to refute its straw-man claims.

Moreover, bold unsubstantiated claims in the article -- such as PM's assertion that there was only a single interception in the decade before 9/11/01 -- don't inspire confidence in PM's professional fact checkers. It echoes the discredited assertions of official reports such as FEMA's World Trade Center Building Performance Study and the 9/11 Commission Report. It provides no evidence PM investigated the attack -- only evidence that it investigated the 9/11 Truth movement in order to determine how best to discredit it through misrepresentation.
================================================

Jim Miegs and the 3 kiddies tragic, parrot, and cl--ass [ one and the same ]

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tragicparrot
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Quote from 57channels:
The Lies Are Out There


James Meigs, appointed editor of Popular Mechanics in May 2004, trashes skeptics of the official story of 9/11/01 as irresponsible disgracers of the memories of victims, apart from "we as a society."
This article has a page of Editor's Notes, The Lies Are Out There, written by James Meigs, whose previous columns have praised military technology (such as the UAVs used in Fallujah). Meigs places outside of society anyone who questions the official version of events of 9/11/01:
We as a society accept the basic premise that a group of Islamist terrorists hijacked four airplanes and turned them into weapons against us. ... Sadly, the noble search for truth is now being hijacked by a growing army of conspiracy theorists.
Meigs throws a series of insults at the conspiracy theorists, saying they ignore the facts and engage in elaborate, shadowy theorizing, and concludes his diatribe by saying:
Those who peddle fantasies that this country encouraged, permitted or actually carried out the attacks are libeling the truth -- and disgracing the memories of the thousands who died that day.
Besides trashing the skeptics, and conflating this country with its corrupt leaders, Meig's attempts to legitimate PM's investigation, saying:
We assembled a team of reporters and researchers, including professional fact checkers and the editors of PM, and methodically analyzed all 16 conspiracy claims. We interviewed scores of engineers, aviation experts, military officials, eyewitnesses and members of the investigative teams who have held the wreckage of the attacks in their own hands. We pored over photography, maps, blueprints, aviation logs and transcripts. In every single instance, we found that the facts used by the conspiracy theorists to support their fantasies were mistaken, misunderstood, or deliberately falsified.
This sounds impressive, but the article provides no evidence to back up these claims. It provides no footnotes to source its many assertions, and despite the scores of experts listed in its final section the article cites only a handful of them, and mostly to refute its straw-man claims.

Moreover, bold unsubstantiated claims in the article -- such as PM's assertion that there was only a single interception in the decade before 9/11/01 -- don't inspire confidence in PM's professional fact checkers. It echoes the discredited assertions of official reports such as FEMA's World Trade Center Building Performance Study and the 9/11 Commission Report. It provides no evidence PM investigated the attack -- only evidence that it investigated the 9/11 Truth movement in order to determine how best to discredit it through misrepresentation.
================================================

Jim Miegs and the 3 kiddies tragic, parrot, and cl--ass [ one and the same ]


Why you couldn't at least provide a link to the bottom source that attempts to discredit James Meigs PM article is beyond me, but lets assume you pliagarized it from here >

http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/gopm/index.html

Isn't it something that after 10 years Jim Hoffmans 911research article nor the Loosechange website has yet to provide evidence the folks at Popular Mechanics were wrong?

Perhaps James Meigs best explains it here....

http://www.popularmechanics.com/military/a921/4199607/

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tragicparrot
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And really 57channels, whatever is wrong with you that you feel the need to keep referring to certain members of Datehookup as "kiddies"?

6/19/2015 10:09:59 PM WTC truth ATTACKS on Pentagon. Destroying the EVIDENCE against them!  

srv63
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Quote from class5:
Quote from higgy51:Talking of DOCTORED BULLSHIT, she is NOT in the FBI, she cleans the offices, she is a CLEANER!!!

Don't forget, the CIT are Conspiracy Nutcsases like yourself, so they are on "your team".

Now, unless you can disprove CIT, you are debunked as she is NOT in the FBI.

Statement from Citizen Investigation Team 12/21/2010:

Pentagon attack cab driver Lloyde England informed us that his wife Shirley Hughes-England works for the FBI. When we asked him what she does for them he remained mysterious and said “She don’t talk about it- I don’t talk about it.” Almost two years later over the phone he told somebody else that she is a “cleaner”.

Not that it should matter. Just because they claimed his wife was in the FBI, how does that prove any misdeed or culpability?

It doesn't. It's just a trick to infer via innuendo and it's lame.


As i bring emphasis to the highlighted statement above, i'm sure you gooberment stooges have proof of Lloyde Englands wife being in the janitorial service. Now lets see it

6/19/2015 10:44:13 PM WTC truth ATTACKS on Pentagon. Destroying the EVIDENCE against them!  

srv63
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Since we all know the attention span of a gooberment stooge is very minimal,here is a little treat for them and it's only 10 minutes long.PROOF that no jet fuel in the pentacon and no smell of jet fuel. Oh shit, maybe flight 77 forgot to fuel up

How about the actual words from Lloyde England. Only a f**kin idiot couldn't decipher exactly what he was saying

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tragicparrot
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Quote from srv63:
As i bring emphasis to the highlighted statement above, i'm sure you gooberment stooges have proof of Lloyde Englands wife being in the janitorial service. Now lets see it


And you have proof that she was employed otherwise? Now lets see it.

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srv63
Baytown, TX
52, joined Jul. 2012


Quote from tragicparrot:
And you have proof that she was employed otherwise? Now lets see it.


I'm telling you that she was NOT part of the janitorial crew shill so prove me wrong since it is you stooges claiming that she was so don't try your lame assed tricks on me.

As far as my last post of referring to the very short 10 minute video, here it is stooges and i hope your pee brains can absorb it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2P6o0Dn61jY

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tragicparrot
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Quote from srv63:
I'm telling you that she was NOT part of the janitorial crew shill so prove me wrong since it is you stooges claiming that she was so don't try your lame assed tricks on me.

As far as my last post of referring to the very short 10 minute video, here it is stooges and i hope your pee brains can absorb it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2P6o0Dn61jY


Your "telling" me she was NOT employed as a janitor is not evidence to the contrary. How many of your witnesses claim they saw a plane fly over the Pentagon SRV?

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tragicparrot
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Do you even have any witnesses SRV?

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srv63
Baytown, TX
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Quote from tragicparrot:
Do you even have any witnesses SRV?


I see how you shills work. When you have no answers, you try to change the subject. Sorry, it's not working with me. PROVE your statement that the cab drivers wife was a part of the janitorial service in the pentacon and NOT part of the FBI team. I'm waiting

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tragicparrot
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Quote from srv63:
I see how you shills work. When you have no answers, you try to change the subject. Sorry, it's not working with me. PROVE your statement that the cab drivers wife was a part of the janitorial service in the pentacon and NOT part of the FBI team. I'm waiting


Umm, you were first to make the claim Lloydes wife was part of the FBI team, so you first. Should be easy right? Lets go srv63! Everyones waiting.

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tragicparrot
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tragicparrot
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Any chance you can dig up Shirley Hughes employment history srv? Pay stubs? W2 W4 form maybe? Or is she a shill too?

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higgy51
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Quote from srv63:
I'm telling you that she was NOT part of the janitorial crew shill so prove me wrong since it is you stooges claiming that she was so don't try your lame assed tricks on me.


Prove it then, we have Lloydes word she was a cleaner, now you prove us wrong.

We want her badge number or whatever they use!

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higgy51
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Quote from tragicparrot:
Umm, you were first to make the claim Lloydes wife was part of the FBI team, so you first. Should be easy right? Lets go srv63! Everyones waiting.


We will be waiting one hell of a long time.

When he gets debunked, like he has so many times, he will change the subject.

Notice how he has kept quiet about the light posts ever since someone who works on them told him how they are set up? Not to mention the FAA demand that they collapse upon a slight hit from a plane.

Oh, and I enjoy his account of how they got bent HE DOESN'T KNOW AND DOESN'T CARE LESS how they got bent!

So, don't hold your breath on this information forthcoming from a mouth of a CT nutcase!!

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higgy51
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Quote from srv63:


As far as my last post of referring to the very short 10 minute video, here it is stooges and i hope your pee brains can absorb it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2P6o0Dn61jY


Oh yes, the video, uploaded by a fool that claims the CIA have secretly found Noah's Ark!!
That Sandy Hook was aFEMA drill.

Yeah, right, we will take note of a total fool like that!

I suppose you believe him though, you would with your very limited brain.

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naprinciple
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Quote from higgy51:
Oh yes, the video, uploaded by a fool that claims the CIA have secretly found Noah's Ark!!
That Sandy Hook was aFEMA drill.

Yeah, right, we will take note of a total fool like that!

I suppose you believe him though, you would with your very limited brain.




Ad hominem

Poisoning the well

poisoning the well

Ad hominem

Ad hominem

If your brain isn't limited, why rely so heavily on logical fallacies?

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srv63
Baytown, TX
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Quote from naprinciple:
Ad hominem

Poisoning the well

poisoning the well

Ad hominem

Ad hominem

If your brain isn't limited, why rely so heavily on logical fallacies?


Very well said na . Because they are not paid to think

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higgy51
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Quote from srv63:
Very well said na . Because they are not paid to think


Oh, so you believe the CIA found Noah's Ark?

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higgy51
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Quote from higgy51:
Prove it then, we have Lloydes word she was a cleaner, now you prove us wrong.

We want her badge number or whatever they use!


Well srv? Can you prove she was in the FBI and not as her HUSBAND said, a cleaner?

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higgy51
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Quote from srv63:
Very well said na . Because they are not paid to think


Ad hominem

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srv63
Baytown, TX
52, joined Jul. 2012


Quote from higgy51:
Well srv? Can you prove she was in the FBI and not as her HUSBAND said, a cleaner?


Hey A.D.D.,cia bullshit about finding the ark i never have commented on and has no place in this forum. Just another prime example of you paid stooges to change the subject when the heat is getting too much for you. Now discredit or criticize the 10 minute video i posted which has some very hard FACTS and not innuendo.

1) Video shows eyewitness inside of the pentagon proving no jet fuel or smell of jet fuel after the (supposed) plane crash.

2) Video shows Flloyde England the cab owner confessing the whole pentacon thiasko was staged by powerful pieces of shit.

3) Video shows a jetliner having its wing severed half way thru by a 13 inch diameter wooden telephone pole before the telephone pole snaps, but yet on 9/11 a jetliners aluminum wing is able to cut thru 14 inch steel beams? BULLSHIT

4)Video shows ALLOT more PROOF that the gooberments accounts are bullshit and made up fantasies.Come on gooberment stooges, what do you clowns have to say

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srv63
Baytown, TX
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Quote from higgy51:
Well srv? Can you prove she was in the FBI and not as her HUSBAND said, a cleaner?


Lets see the proof of her husband saying shes part of a cleaning crew in the pentacon and not the bullshit hearsay of "i heard he later said".Lets see the proof stooge.

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higgy51
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Navarro, CA
61, joined Nov. 2012


Quote from srv63:
Hey A.D.D.,cia bullshit about finding the ark i never have commented on and has no place in this forum. Just another prime example of you paid stooges to change the subject when the heat is getting too much for you. Now discredit or criticize the 10 minute video i posted which has some very hard FACTS and not innuendo.



No, that is true, you didn't say anything about the Ark, not at all.

I am just discrediting YOUR SOURCE as a man living in a land of make believe and who has NO credible evidence or even standing.

I mean, if anyone believes him after he said that the CIA found the Ark and Sandy Hook was just a FEMA training day, well, I rest my case.

That was my point srv, discrediting YOUR source of information..nothing more and nothing less.

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higgy51
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Quote from srv63:
Lets see the proof of her husband saying shes part of a cleaning crew in the pentacon and not the bullshit hearsay of "i heard he later said".Lets see the proof stooge.


Shifting the onus are we?

YOU claimed she was IN the FBI, so you must know ...do you?

Where did you get the information from that she was in the FBI?

You see srv, you are quoting that hearsay is no evidence, so where did you get your information from?

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higgy51
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Quote from srv63:
Lets see the proof of her husband saying shes part of a cleaning crew in the pentacon and not the bullshit hearsay of "i heard he later said".Lets see the proof stooge.


Okay srv;

You can fast forward to the 5.55 mark if you so wish and righter there you will hear him say she is a cleaner.

This video is from "your side".

Let's try some logical thoughts here..and FBI agent marries a cab driver? Really?

When the FBI thought he was dead and didn't bother interviewing him, don't you honestly think that if she was AN AGENT they would have known he was still alive, that they would have KNOWN her husband was a taxi driver if she was an AGENT?

Logic isn't your strong suit is it?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-KCiwwxtnU

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57channels
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higgy

You can fast forward to the 5.55 mark if you so wish and righter there you will hear him say she is a cleaner.
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Gee, I wonder if the guy was under duress??? You know just like the fire chief on the scene that said no dead bodies, no plane parts, no engines, nothing......then later he changed his store. Same with Jamie McInyre at the Pentacon scene. Lots of eyewitnesses changing their story........like the people in the 20's and 30's on the witness stand giving testimony about Al Capone [ changing their stories ] OR off to Peter Pan land with you. Go Now...........GO NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Opps..you never left huh?

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57channels
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higgy

Let's try some logical thoughts here..and FBI agent marries a cab driver? Really?
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Whats so strange about that?? Maybe she loved the guy, and maybe he knows alot about whats going on with drugs and stuff. I bet cab drivers know a heck of alot more about "dirty dealings" or drug deals than most cops do.

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higgy51
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Quote from 57channels:

Gee, I wonder if the guy was under duress??? You know just like the fire chief on the scene that said no dead bodies, no plane parts, no engines, nothing......then later he changed his store. Same with Jamie McInyre at the Pentacon scene. Lots of eyewitnesses changing their story........like the people in the 20's and 30's on the witness stand giving testimony about Al Capone [ changing their stories ] OR off to Peter Pan land with you. Go Now...........GO NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Opps..you never left huh?


Of course, why didn't I think of that!

57's stock answer to a debunking, the man had his life threatened even though the Conspiracy nutcases believe his wife was an FBI agent!

Yes, great logical thinking 57!

Why is it that you believe that EVERY witness has been "got at"?

If anyone would be "got at" are the fools like John Lear, 57 Channels and srv! Get rid of the Conspiracy Nutcases and 9/11 would die a nice slow death.

THAT is more logical!

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57channels
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higgy

Why is it that you believe that EVERY witness has been "got at"?
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Maybe, just maybe because if the 9-11 can or worms ever got completely opened up [ a real full blown investigation ] the perps behind it would rot in prison for the rest of their traitorous lives or they would get the death penalty.

I asked you 3 kiddies [ who throw sand at the grownups who live in the real world ] what the penalties would be........and of course no response out of the 3 kiddies. A simple question with no response. I think you said the usual......well, there is no evidence blah blah blah so why answer my question

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higgy51
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Quote from 57channels:
higgy

Why is it that you believe that EVERY witness has been "got at"?
=====================================================
Maybe, just maybe because if the 9-11 can or worms ever got completely opened up [ a real full blown investigation ] the perps behind it would rot in prison for the rest of their traitorous lives or they would get the death penalty.

I asked you 3 kiddies [ who throw sand at the grownups who live in the real world ] what the penalties would be........and of course no response out of the 3 kiddies. A simple question with no response. I think you said the usual......well, there is no evidence blah blah blah so why answer my question


It was a very stupid question that required no sensible answer to be honest with you 57.

It is so very obvious that if ANY crime is proven, the offenders (no matter what the crime) are punished in one form or another. That is so damned obvious to anyone with a reasonable train of thought.

I cannot recall any crime PROVEN in a court of law, where the persons concerned have never been punished in one form or another.

The problem with you Conspiracy Nutcases is that nigh on EVERY piece of so called evidence you provide is debunked.

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57channels
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This video is very short. Stop it and watch closely at 25 second mark

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KpEct4q4z9o&feature=iv&src_vid=Eh5m84cp7tU&annotation_id=annotation_936404
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The feds fired a 2nd missile at the south tower??? Sure looks like a missile to me?? How about anyone else??

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higgy51
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Quote from 57channels:

The feds fired a 2nd missile at the south tower??? Sure looks like a missile to me?? How about anyone else??


Yes it looks like one, but it was a very, very bad shot as it missed the target lol

However, thank you for that video, it really does debunk your and the other CT nutcases the "nose in nose out" scenario you lot keep mentioning. It missed its target yet you are so conviced that pre planned explosives were used, and the planes - "holograms" in your mind, hit the EXACT floors where the explosives were planted, yet this missile - SO OBVIOUSLY PHOTO-SHOPPED, misses.

Look at second 8 to about 14 and your "NOSE CONE" turns into smoke!!

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srv63
Baytown, TX
52, joined Jul. 2012


Quote from higgy51:
Okay srv;

You can fast forward to the 5.55 mark if you so wish and righter there you will hear him say she is a cleaner.

This video is from "your side".

Let's try some logical thoughts here..and FBI agent marries a cab driver? Really?

When the FBI thought he was dead and didn't bother interviewing him, don't you honestly think that if she was AN AGENT they would have known he was still alive, that they would have KNOWN her husband was a taxi driver if she was an AGENT?

Logic isn't your strong suit is it?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-KCiwwxtnU


All i hear from that video is something that can easily be interpreted as slang.It does not specifically say that she's in the janitorial service at the pentacon, tho i will give you that one because my gut tells me to.

As far as assuming an fbi agent is too good for a cab owner, is ignorant to say the least.

"When the fbi thought that Lloyd England was dead and didn't bother interviewing him" So your buddies in the gooberment are in the practice of ASSUMING someone is dead and don't even bother finding out for sure from the wife who works in the pentacon (supposedly)as a cleaning lady? Really? No wonder all you gooberment doops believe in the plane theory, it's the most plausible for one too damn lazy to think

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higgy51
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Quote from srv63:

"When the fbi thought that Lloyd England was dead and didn't bother interviewing him" So your buddies in the gooberment are in the practice of ASSUMING someone is dead and don't even bother finding out for sure from the wife who works in the pentacon (supposedly)as a cleaning lady? Really? No wonder all you gooberment doops believe in the plane theory, it's the most plausible for one too damn lazy to think



"She's a cleaner" is slang? In what language? lol

How or why on earth would any FBI agent know that a cleaner working there has a husband who is a taxi driver? I would suggest that many of them didn't even know her by name let alone her husband was a taxi driver.

They WOULD know if she was a fellow Agent though, that is for sure.

However, nice to see you have grown balls and have admitted you have been debunked and once again, fooled by an idiot who you believed in.

I had other evidence to debunk you, but it isn't needed now.



[Edited 6/20/2015 2:17:50 PM ]

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srv63
Baytown, TX
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@ All of the gooberment stooges,

Please tell me what part of the light pole made contact with the windshield of Lloyd Englands cab. Since WE ALL know damn well that should we get in an accident,NEVER disturb the scene of an accident before your insurance company gets there.Am i right???

Why the hell would Lloyde England get the help of a mysterious stranger to get that pole off of his cab before the insurance company can come and take pictures?

If there are pics of the light pole on his car, i would like to see them. Hell, i would be content with a life like visualization of the scene.

Show me how the hell that light pole landed in such a way on his car where it could penetrate thru the windshield deep enough to break thru not only the two layers of glass, but also the thin film between the glass AND in such a way as to not touch a damn bit of the rest of the car,not even the frame which holds the windshield.Keep in mind, these poles weigh 200 pounds so how the hell did this happen without not a damn dent or scratch on his car?

The ONLY damn reason for staging them light poles is to make it more visually believable that a plane hit the pentagon.

Explain this shills or else your whole plane theory is debunked.

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srv63
Baytown, TX
52, joined Jul. 2012


Quote from higgy51:
"She's a cleaner" is slang? In what language? lol

How or why on earth would any FBI agent know that a cleaner working there has a husband who is a taxi driver? I would suggest that many of them didn't even know her by name let alone her husband was a taxi driver.

They WOULD know if she was a fellow Agent though, that is for sure.

However, nice to see you have grown balls and have admitted you have been debunked and once again, fooled by an idiot who you believed in.

I had other evidence to debunk you, but it isn't needed now.


If you had other evidence, you would have already posted it therefore i say your full of shit.

For the record, i gave that one to you only because my gut told me so. You have not PROVED shes part of a janitorial crew.