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11/5/2014 10:35:22 PM 2014/15~~NBA talk | Page 5  

vic245
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Hate on lal all u want cavs were suppose to be unstoppable but as I pointed out multiple times having a bunch of allstars don't always wins you rings.




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11/5/2014 10:38:50 PM 2014/15~~NBA talk | Page 5  
yourkingliness
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The HEAT started 9-8 their first year bro so I'm not worried at all... I'll be rooting for the cavs in the finals while your hoping ping pong balls go your way!!

I never said they'd come out the gates killing teams. You have to build chemistry, the HEAT showed us that.



[Edited 11/5/2014 10:41:42 PM ]

11/5/2014 10:52:13 PM 2014/15~~NBA talk | Page 5  

vic245
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Lol that's aight as my I said to my friend after last season haters can stomp on lal while they down now but they'll be back. As for the cavs they not winning my prediction of the bulls finishing the as the 1st seed and sas repeating I'm not gonna change.

11/5/2014 10:56:42 PM 2014/15~~NBA talk | Page 5  
yourkingliness
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I respect your opinion but Bulls already lost to the Cavs at home. Will you keep to that prediction if Ray Allen signs with Cleveland?

You and sorp are crazy for not thinking Phil Jackson wouldn't trade Bargnani/Larkin/Hardaway for Kobe. Calderon/Kobe/Melo/Amare/dalembert would be instant contenders in the East. Yeah they'd lose flexibility to sign Gasol but what's the chances he even leaves Memphis?



[Edited 11/5/2014 10:57:34 PM ]

11/5/2014 11:12:00 PM 2014/15~~NBA talk | Page 5  

sorpstar
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Kid

You sound like deesy put you in a trance. ..lol..kobe will stay a laker or a good contender may give a draft pick but not knicks......if knicks make playoffs great but 2015 mark coming to big apple would make him a hit...and the knicks going in right direction so kid dont be like deesy...lol...btw calderone may find another home like almost every yr...larkin has upside...young and quick...and pablo gets in to spell him until calderone returns ...i could see JR traded...or he becomes a tamed lion if he stays



[Edited 11/5/2014 11:12:43 PM ]

11/5/2014 11:29:24 PM 2014/15~~NBA talk | Page 5  
yourkingliness
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Elder man (since I'm kid)

When you have the chance to trade peanuts for a kobe steak, you do it. Is the hope of Gasol/Gay really worth not contending THIS year?? Really? Phil likes to win and he'll do whatever's necessary.

11/5/2014 11:34:40 PM 2014/15~~NBA talk | Page 5  

sorpstar
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He has a contract which he'll produce within it...schitt now i sound like deesy... lol...

11/5/2014 11:56:59 PM 2014/15~~NBA talk | Page 5  
yourkingliness
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Kobe is no doubt a ballhog, evidenced by him shooting 37x last game, but something tells me he'd fit in with Melo. He likes Carmelo and definitely respects his game... For the record I do like Hardaway and Larkin myself, but were talking about upgrading to one of the 10 best players of all time! That team could potentially win a championship THIS year. In fact, me being a LeBron fan, I would be more afraid of that team beating him than the Bulls.

But then again what do I know. I've only followed the game religiously since I was 5.

11/6/2014 12:20:46 AM 2014/15~~NBA talk | Page 5  

sorpstar
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Yea you at age five know more then deesy knows at his cuurent age now...lol...good nite i need sleep/ deesy needs hook on phonics

11/6/2014 3:35:11 AM 2014/15~~NBA talk | Page 5  
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With Deesy i should take him to newark or paterson...maybe have him make a few collections for me...lol...


He would go to the wrong building to collect.

11/6/2014 6:52:13 AM 2014/15~~NBA talk | Page 5  

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He would go to the wrong building to collect.
your rep is on the line

11/6/2014 7:00:24 AM 2014/15~~NBA talk | Page 5  

vic245
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Quote from yourkingliness:
Kobe is no doubt a ballhog, evidenced by him shooting 37x last game, but something tells me he'd fit in with Melo. He likes Carmelo and definitely respects his game... For the record I do like Hardaway and Larkin myself, but were talking about upgrading to one of the 10 best players of all time! That team could potentially win a championship THIS year. In fact, me being a LeBron fan, I would be more afraid of that team beating him than the Bulls.

But then again what do I know. I've only followed the game religiously since I was 5.


Smh there's a reason why I compared this season to 2004 back then kobe shots to much media and haters go he shoots to much regarding the lack of talent on his team. If he scores below 20 and has less then 10 attempts media and haters say he's not aggressive enough. The hate this guy gets is insane as well as lal.

Anyone that has paid attention esp in the phx game knows the overall talent isn't good not only that but they lack aggresion( boozer,lin ) can argue that 2004 team with a chucky Atkins, a young odom and Caron butler was better then these current lakers. They just look to kobe way to much and it's gassing him already I rember he hit a 3 in crunch time vs phx and the camera cut to him looking exausted.

This is why the last 3 games you've seen kobe pleading in the media for lin to be more aggressive and take control of the offense which he has fallen short of( minus the clipper game)

11/6/2014 7:49:26 AM 2014/15~~NBA talk | Page 5  

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Smh there's a reason why I compared this season to 2004 back then kobe shots to much media and haters go he shoots to much regarding the lack of talent on his team. If he scores below 20 and has less then 10 attempts media and haters say he's not aggressive enough. The hate this guy gets is insane as well as lal.

Anyone that has paid attention esp in the phx game knows the overall talent isn't good not only that but they lack aggresion( boozer,lin ) can argue that 2004 team with a chucky Atkins, a young odom and Caron butler was better then these current lakers. They just look to kobe way to much and it's gassing him already I rember he hit a 3 in crunch time vs phx and the camera cut to him looking exausted.

This is why the last 3 games you've seen kobe pleading in the media for lin to be more aggressive and take control of the offense which he has fallen short of( minus the clipper game)
they should have kept Caron....he was a solid defender in his younger days

11/6/2014 7:56:57 AM 2014/15~~NBA talk | Page 5  

vic245
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He was but at the time his agent wanted more money that's why mitch did a sign and trade for Kwame brown which later turned into gasol.

11/6/2014 8:03:40 AM 2014/15~~NBA talk | Page 5  

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He was but at the time his agent wanted more money that's why mitch did a sign and trade for Kwame brown which later turned into gasol.
kwame brown was a bust....who was that pg that played with the lakers around 2006?

11/6/2014 11:23:35 AM 2014/15~~NBA talk | Page 5  
yourkingliness
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Quote from vic245:
Smh there's a reason why I compared this season to 2004 back then kobe shots to much media and haters go he shoots to much regarding the lack of talent on his team. If he scores below 20 and has less then 10 attempts media and haters say he's not aggressive enough. The hate this guy gets is insane as well as lal.

Anyone that has paid attention esp in the phx game knows the overall talent isn't good not only that but they lack aggresion( boozer,lin ) can argue that 2004 team with a chucky Atkins, a young odom and Caron butler was better then these current lakers. They just look to kobe way to much and it's gassing him already I rember he hit a 3 in crunch time vs phx and the camera cut to him looking exausted.

This is why the last 3 games you've seen kobe pleading in the media for lin to be more aggressive and take control of the offense which he has fallen short of( minus the clipper game)


I don't care how bad the team is, there's still talent there. Every NBA team has talent. In fact LeBron brought a team of about equal talent to the NBA finals Kobe shot 37x and had 1 assist the other night. You can slice it however you want saying he has no help but that is just plain ball hoggin. He needs to average about 6 assists with the ball in his hands that amount much... I'm not a hater at all, I habe Kobe as a top 10 player of all time. Im actually a fan of his and thats why I'm an advocate of Lakers trading him so he can compete for a championship these last couple years.

11/6/2014 11:25:12 AM 2014/15~~NBA talk | Page 5  
yourkingliness
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Quote from dark_gable0585:
kwame brown was a bust....who was that pg that played with the lakers around 2006?


Smush Parker is probably who you're thinking of, Deezy. Damn you don't know shit about even your favorite team.



[Edited 11/6/2014 11:25:28 AM ]

11/6/2014 11:56:39 AM 2014/15~~NBA talk | Page 5  

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11/6/2014 12:10:26 PM 2014/15~~NBA talk | Page 5  
yourkingliness
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What don't you know HB?

You look like lil wayne minus the dreads in that pic...

11/6/2014 1:28:16 PM 2014/15~~NBA talk | Page 5  

vic245
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Lol the cavs of 2007 is equivalent to this lakers team? Hell to the no that team had a great defense, big z who was still producing as well as MO Williams and delonte west with boogie of the bench. This laker team lacks depth the only person outside of kobe that can constantly get his own Shot on the permiter is injured. Plain and simple this team lacks confidence I do give credit to jordan hill though he's been stepping up on offense but their defense is so poor.

11/6/2014 1:36:40 PM 2014/15~~NBA talk | Page 5  
yourkingliness
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Mo Williams was in Milwaukee at the time that Cavs team went to the finals, get your facts straight. Cleveland's starters were boobie Gibson, Larry Hughes, LeBron, drew gooden and big Z with sasha pavlovic and Eric snow the first men off the bench. That Cleveland team is maybe a hair more talented than your Lakers of today.

11/6/2014 1:41:52 PM 2014/15~~NBA talk | Page 5  
yourkingliness
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I'd take Jordan hill, Carlos Boozer, and ed Davis over Big Z and Drew gooden all day everyday. Jeremy Lin is 10x the player Snow and boobie gibson were. And once Young comes back he's definitely better tham larry hughes was... That all equals to exactly what I just said. This Lakers team has more talent than the team LeBron carried to the finals.



[Edited 11/6/2014 1:42:59 PM ]

11/6/2014 1:57:12 PM 2014/15~~NBA talk | Page 5  

vic245
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Lol u bugging u must be talking about the carloz boozer back when he was with Cleveland cause boozer both offensively and defensively is washed up he can't even finish over big guys the way he use to and his rebounding that use to be a trademark for him esp in Utah has declined as well. In fact lol drew gooden who's currently on the wizards is still producing well that's why kris humpries hasn't gotten that much time yet. Jordan hill is fools gold I'm not fooled by this mini 2 game stretch he put on. I'll take Varejo and big z over him. Ryan Kelly Robert sacre? Rofl don't get me started...Only person that's better in lal frontcourt is ed Davis cause he brings it on both ends. As for the PGs lol ronnie price was suppose to be the lakers 3rd string pg gimie boggie anyday over him, mr turnover drive only Jeremy lin is equal to mo willams hell I'll take him over lin now since his catch and shoot game is better then lins.

11/6/2014 2:00:48 PM 2014/15~~NBA talk | Page 5  
yourkingliness
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For the 2nd time. MO WILLIAMS WASN'T ON THE TEAM. It was Eric Snow and Boobie Gibson! Ill take Lin all day over either of those scrubs... Boozer is still better than Gooden, just look at the numbers. ..

11/6/2014 2:07:53 PM 2014/15~~NBA talk | Page 5  

vic245
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And even if mo willams. Wasn't on that team Eric snow DEFENSIVELY is way better then Jeremy lin the last 3 games opposing PGs Thomas, dragic,Bledsoe Chris Paul, and curry have made lin look foolish .

Most of the lakers bench would be in the dleague outside of Davis and young would be in the dleague right now. Wesely can be to only reason as I said before la signed him was because there was the small fowards list last summer after they've lost out on melo was weak.

11/6/2014 2:23:11 PM 2014/15~~NBA talk | Page 5  

vic245
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Then you're not looking at lin the way me and soarp are I didn't like it when they acquired him cause I saw well before hand what he did with Houston which is why I labeled him a rental. He's turnover prone he overdrives, he gets overwhelmed by opposing PGs, he doesn't play well with stars( see lin after melo came back from his injury after linsanity,all of last year where Beverley took his starting spot. The dude has tunnel vision

As for boozer vs gooden the reason boozer has better numbers is because gooden is coming off the bench however with that said gooden since last year when they picked him up after al Harrington got injured has been suprsingly good for them to the point where's he the first big off the bench to play for them which is saying a lot considering the money they gave to kris humpries. If he was on a team such as the twolves where he would possibly get 25 mins or more I could easily see him averaging 15 and 8.

11/6/2014 2:24:41 PM 2014/15~~NBA talk | Page 5  
yourkingliness
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Bro. Eric Snow was so good defensively that he allowed Tony Parker to drive by him every time and win finals MVP. He was so good he lost his starting job in the finals to a guy named Boobie.

11/6/2014 2:36:19 PM 2014/15~~NBA talk | Page 5  

vic245
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Either way Eric snow iq in terms of fundamentals of not forcing the issue and knowing his limitations is what sets him apart from lin numbers don't always tell the story when judging a player. Lin is very predictable on offense you play on his right hand he loses confidence as he did vs phx not even looking for his shot in the 4th. not only that but he's at best an average jump shooter( that's me being generous cause he's brick a lot already in these 5 games).

11/6/2014 2:45:56 PM 2014/15~~NBA talk | Page 5  

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Quote from yourkingliness:
Smush Parker is probably who you're thinking of, Deezy. Damn you don't know shit about even your favorite team.
go jump in a lake.... Nobody is a fiend like you

11/6/2014 2:58:15 PM 2014/15~~NBA talk | Page 5  

sorpstar
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Quote from dark_gable0585:
go jump in a lake.... Nobody is a fiend like you



Now i get it..with fiends like you no wonder you have any friends deezy..

11/6/2014 3:01:03 PM 2014/15~~NBA talk | Page 5  

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Now i get it..with fiends like you no wonder you have any friends deezy..
like clockwork.....every time queenie or tammy said something and i say something back.....you jump out of the shadows and riding the bandwagon mobile lol

11/6/2014 3:07:10 PM 2014/15~~NBA talk | Page 5  
yourkingliness
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Either way Eric snow iq in terms of fundamentals of not forcing the issue and knowing his limitations is what sets him apart from lin numbers don't always tell the story when judging a player. Lin is very predictable on offense you play on his right hand he loses confidence as he did vs phx not even looking for his shot in the 4th. not only that but he's at best an average jump shooter( that's me being generous cause he's brick a lot already in these 5 games).


If you'd rather have Eric Snow from 2007 on your Lakers over Jeremy Lin I seriously have to question your eye for talent. Snow's jump shot makes Rondo's jumper look like Ray Allen.

11/6/2014 3:27:36 PM 2014/15~~NBA talk | Page 5  

vic245
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Maybe it's because line so turnover prone just don't like his style at all especially in a start in lineup he's at best a 6th man if you depend on him to be ya sidekick to ya star gonna be dissapointed.

11/6/2014 3:29:48 PM 2014/15~~NBA talk | Page 5  

sorpstar
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Kid what about rick barry on the greatest list...the guy could shoot before there was a three point line and of course maybe one of the greatest free throw shooters. He said you can be a great shooter but you have to be a 80% free throw shooter and LeBron is at 75%....when he was a kid his dad taught him to throw foul shots underhanded and he said kids will laugh at him...his dad said they wont laugh at ya if you make em...he also said to barry dont be deezy either...kid he left that up to you...lol..the latter..

Rick Barry pointed out about LeBron's release on his shooting adjusting his elbow some...his shooting improved and his foul shots too. But to be complete lebron has to shoot at 80% his foul shots or any superstar should hit 4 of every 5...Barry still has a young son good at basketball and he is backing a sneaker that helps prevent sprain ankles...be offers a discount on his sneakers using password barry24...maybe Google rick Barry's sneakers to find web site..john starks us involved too...try this link kid below in your browser..bad ankles ended my career. ..someone may benefit from this sneaker you know


http://www.forbes.com/fdc/welcome_mjx_mobile.html



[Edited 11/6/2014 3:30:56 PM ]

11/6/2014 3:35:14 PM 2014/15~~NBA talk | Page 5  

sorpstar
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Kid what about rick barry on the greatest list...the guy could shoot before there was a three point line and of course maybe one of the greatest free throw shooters. He said you can be a great shooter but you have to be a 80% free throw shooter and LeBron is at 75%....when he was a kid his dad taught him to throw foul shots underhanded and he said kids will laugh at him...his dad said they wont laugh at ya if you make em...he also said to barry dont be deezy either...kid he left that up to you...lol..the latter..

Rick Barry pointed out about LeBron's release on his shooting adjusting his elbow some...his shooting improved and his foul shots too. But to be complete lebron has to shoot at 80% his foul shots or any superstar should hit 4 of every 5...Barry still has a young son good at basketball and he is backing a sneaker that helps prevent sprain ankles...be offers a discount on his sneakers using password barry24...maybe Google rick Barry's sneakers to find web site..john starks us involved too...try this link kid below in your browser..bad ankles ended my career. ..someone may benefit from this sneaker you know


http://www.forbes.com/fdc/welcome_mjx_mobile.html


Try this link instead




http://www.forbes.com/sites/darrenheitner/2013/01/11/basketball-shoes-with-ankle-support-technology-backed-by-john-starks-and-rick-barry/

11/6/2014 3:57:57 PM 2014/15~~NBA talk | Page 5  
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Yeah I know who Rick Barry's son are. Jon and Brent Barry bounced around teams as decent backups but obviously neither lived up to what their pops did... I don't agree about the 80% free throws makes you a great SHOOTER. Yes it shows you're a good free throw shooter but there are plenty of guys who never eclipsed that percentage, one being Mike Miller who has a career 76.9% from the charity stripe. I think we can agree Miller is one of the greatest three point marksmen ever. LeBron came into the league as a bad shooter but now has elevated to being an above average shooter. Kobe Bryant shoots a higher free throw percentage than LeBron but LeBron has a better field goal and 3 point%. There have been countless guys who were good shooters either from midrange/3/free throws but most were never good at all three. LeBron last night did come thru in the clutch hitting 3 of them vs the jazz to tie it with 3 seconds left but Hayward then won it...



[Edited 11/6/2014 4:00:50 PM ]

11/7/2014 8:20:27 AM 2014/15~~NBA talk | Page 5  

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Yeah I know who Rick Barry's son are. Jon and Brent Barry bounced around teams as decent backups but obviously neither lived up to what their pops did... I don't agree about the 80% free throws makes you a great SHOOTER. Yes it shows you're a good free throw shooter but there are plenty of guys who never eclipsed that percentage, one being Mike Miller who has a career 76.9% from the charity stripe. I think we can agree Miller is one of the greatest three point marksmen ever. LeBron came into the league as a bad shooter but now has elevated to being an above average shooter. Kobe Bryant shoots a higher free throw percentage than LeBron but LeBron has a better field goal and 3 point%. There have been countless guys who were good shooters either from midrange/3/free throws but most were never good at all three. LeBron last night did come thru in the clutch hitting 3 of them vs the jazz to tie it with 3 seconds left but Hayward then won it...
you forgot one thing.....Brent was and the only white guy so far to win in a slam dunk contest



[Edited 11/7/2014 8:21:15 AM ]

11/7/2014 12:18:02 PM 2014/15~~NBA talk | Page 5  
yourkingliness
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You know the competition is bad when a white guy wins the dunk contest.

Cavs are @Denver tonight. Will they start righting the ship? Will Kyrie record an assist? I say it'll take a couple months until they're the powerhouse everyone expected.

11/7/2014 12:38:49 PM 2014/15~~NBA talk | Page 5  

dark_gable0585
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You know the competition is bad when a white guy wins the dunk contest.

Cavs are @Denver tonight. Will they start righting the ship? Will Kyrie record an assist? I say it'll take a couple months until they're the powerhouse everyone expected.
the cavs should let Bron run the show....and kyrie should at least make around 8 to 10 dimes from here on out....and lower his scoring

11/7/2014 1:47:44 PM 2014/15~~NBA talk | Page 5  
yourkingliness
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I don't think he should play point until playoffs. You can't over exert LeBron for meaningless games and expect him fully ready for June. I say let Kyrie run the show but teach him how to get teammates going at the same time "getting yours." LeBron will almost certainly run the show in the playoffs.

11/7/2014 2:34:03 PM 2014/15~~NBA talk | Page 5  

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I don't think he should play point until playoffs. You can't over exert LeBron for meaningless games and expect him fully ready for June. I say let Kyrie run the show but teach him how to get teammates going at the same time "getting yours." LeBron will almost certainly run the show in the playoffs.
Im not saying out LeBron as point.. He should be a point forward that's what Im saying

11/7/2014 2:34:59 PM 2014/15~~NBA talk | Page 5  

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I don't think he should play point until playoffs. You can't over exert LeBron for meaningless games and expect him fully ready for June. I say let Kyrie run the show but teach him how to get teammates going at the same time "getting yours." LeBron will almost certainly run the show in the playoffs.
that's true as well

11/7/2014 10:13:00 PM 2014/15~~NBA talk | Page 5  
yourkingliness
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Well LeBron is definitely playing point guard tonight. He has 6 assists in 10 mins of play...

11/8/2014 8:23:15 AM 2014/15~~NBA talk | Page 5  

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Well LeBron is definitely playing point guard tonight. He has 6 assists in 10 mins of play...
like i said....the cavs should play the offense through him

11/9/2014 10:44:10 PM 2014/15~~NBA talk | Page 5  

vic245
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Ed Davis gonna get paid this offseason if he doesn't exercise his team option his stats don't show it but his activity in the paint defensively is very good.

Side note- lance Stephenson starting to backup wut I said about Him before the season beganoutside of that lucky game winner shot vs atl has been playing poorly for Charlotte.

11/11/2014 1:53:07 PM 2014/15~~NBA talk | Page 5  
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Quote from vic245:
Ed Davis gonna get paid this offseason if he doesn't exercise his team option his stats don't show it but his activity in the paint defensively is very good.

Side note- lance Stephenson starting to backup wut I said about Him before the season beganoutside of that lucky game winner shot vs atl has been playing poorly for Charlotte.


I remember you saying Stephenson was a Jr Smith and I still say you're dead wrong. Yeah he's shooting a pretty terrible % but that's expected when learning to be the 3rd option. Guys like LeBron and Harden aren't shooting very good right now either. But what you have to like is he's averaging 11 rebounds and 5 assists from the shooting guard position. I doubt any guard has averaged that since Oscar if he could somehow keep it going. Jr on the other hand averages about 2 assists and 3 rebounds while playing the same minutes. That to me says Jr isn't even of Lance's level, just as I said a month or so ago. That shooting will come up eventually as will harden and LeBron's...



[Edited 11/11/2014 1:53:41 PM ]

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sorpstar
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This pile of Knicks is not a thinking group, they are a reactive collective. Dantoni's rather simple fast break sets where far too complex..... and frustrating for them to figure out. So we brought in Mike woodson who's offensive schemes went like this. Get the ball in. Dribble til you can't. Then look to shoot. If all else fails pass the bail. Woodys defensive schemes where very complex. This group didn't want to do that either.

These knicks are like the cell phone society they have absolutely no attention span and that's spread to the fan base....With the triangle there is no way to draw up a fast break on the greese board. If everyone understands their roll it happens and looks like something magical. The triangle is team ball. Its not street ball and its gonna take some time. Be patient. Let it grow, so that our knicks can win. Fuhgeddaboudit. ...

11/11/2014 7:35:29 PM 2014/15~~NBA talk | Page 5  

vic245
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Doesn't matter what he averages the main issues I talk about when he was with Indiana is already being show with Charlotte. Making bone head plays, almost cost them that game against atl. Was a total no show against lal I can go on and on. There's a reason I rated atl higher then Charlotte as well.

Overall this team still hasn't solve their biggest weakness which is turnovers along with their pick and roll defense and their poor 3pt shooting headline by the man I've been talking about Mr Lance Stephenson.

11/12/2014 10:52:36 AM 2014/15~~NBA talk | Page 5  
yourkingliness
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Lets all take a moment to congratulate Kobe Bryant on his new NBA record. No one has ever clanked the ball off the rim as much as the Mamba, he is the new field goal missing King!!

11/12/2014 11:12:57 AM 2014/15~~NBA talk | Page 5  

vic245
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Doesn't matter how many shots he miss I don't even like him personality wise but when he retires regardless of how many ppl from the media bash him he will he ranked as the 2nd best sg behind mj.

11/12/2014 11:52:04 AM 2014/15~~NBA talk | Page 5  

sorpstar
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- Michael Jordan at BrainyQuote. I've missed more than 9000 shots in my career. I've lost almost 300 games. 26 times, I've been trusted to take the game winning shot and missed.

Think about it, he had...lol...

11/12/2014 1:46:51 PM 2014/15~~NBA talk | Page 5  
yourkingliness
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Shooting guard and power forward are the weakest positions in terms of depth all time. Small forward and center are the two deepest. After Jordan, Kobe and Duncan it gets dicey. Jerry West, D-Wade or Dirk are probably the next best st those positions.

Sorp- Jordan missed a lot of shots but he made 40% of his game winners opposed to Kobe's 22%. LeBron, who takes far less than either because of his passing ability, has an average of 32%.



[Edited 11/12/2014 1:48:58 PM ]

11/12/2014 2:35:14 PM 2014/15~~NBA talk | Page 5  

vic245
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Quote from sorpstar:
- Michael Jordan at BrainyQuote. I've missed more than 9000 shots in my career. I've lost almost 300 games. 26 times, I've been trusted to take the game winning shot and missed.

Think about it, he had...lol...


True the difference between mj and kobe though is during mj time there wasn't that big of a deal when he has a bad game. Kobe gets bash alot even when he has big games I notice the media and fans in general tend to backhand it sort to speak.

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sorpstar
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Here are guys that played with jordan during his championship years and many times he did not have to take the last shot but make a list of laker players that the lakers could depend on other the kobe...here are jordans teammates when he won rings and how many rings they got...

Michael Jordan 6 x x x x x x
Scottie Pippen 6 x x x x x x
B. J. Armstrong 3 x x x      
Bill Cartwright 3 x x x      
Horace Grant 3 x x x      
Stacey King 3 x x x      
John Paxson 3 x x x      
Will Perdue 3 x x x      
Scott Williams 3 x x x      
Randy Brown 3       x x x
Jud Buechler 3       x x x
Jason Caffey 3       x x x
Ron Harper 3       x x x
Steve Kerr 3       x x x
Toni Kukoc 3       x x x
Luc Longley 3       x x x
Dennis Rodman 3       x x x
D*ckey Simpkins 3       x x x
Bill Wennington 3       x x x
Craig Hodges 2 x x        
Dennis Hopson 2 x x        
Cliff Levingston 2 x x        
Bobby Hansen 1   x        
Chuck Nevitt 1   x        
Mark Randall 1   x        
Rory Sparrow 1   x        
Ricky Banton 1     x      
Joe Courtney 1     x      
Jo Jo English 1     x      
Rodney McCray 1     x      
Ed Nealy 1     x      
Trent Tucker 1     x      
Darrell Walker 1     x      
Corey Williams 1     x      
James Edwards 1       x    
Jack Haley 1       x    
John Salley 1       x    
Robert Parish 1         x  
Matt Steigenga 1         x  
Brian Williams (Bison Dele) 1         x  
Keith Booth 1           x
Scott Burrell 1           x
Joe Kleine 1           x
Rusty LaRue 1           x
David Vaughn 1

11/12/2014 4:26:41 PM 2014/15~~NBA talk | Page 5  

vic245
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Quote from sorpstar:
Here are guys that played with jordan during his championship years and many times he did not have to take the last shot but make a list of laker players that the lakers could depend on other the kobe...here are jordans teammates when he won rings and how many rings they got...

Michael Jordan 6 x x x x x x
Scottie Pippen 6 x x x x x x
B. J. Armstrong 3 x x x      
Bill Cartwright 3 x x x      
Horace Grant 3 x x x      
Stacey King 3 x x x      
John Paxson 3 x x x      
Will Perdue 3 x x x      
Scott Williams 3 x x x      
Randy Brown 3       x x x
Jud Buechler 3       x x x
Jason Caffey 3       x x x
Ron Harper 3       x x x
Steve Kerr 3       x x x
Toni Kukoc 3       x x x
Luc Longley 3       x x x
Dennis Rodman 3       x x x
D*ckey Simpkins 3       x x x
Bill Wennington 3       x x x
Craig Hodges 2 x x        
Dennis Hopson 2 x x        
Cliff Levingston 2 x x        
Bobby Hansen 1   x        
Chuck Nevitt 1   x        
Mark Randall 1   x        
Rory Sparrow 1   x        
Ricky Banton 1     x      
Joe Courtney 1     x      
Jo Jo English 1     x      
Rodney McCray 1     x      
Ed Nealy 1     x      
Trent Tucker 1     x      
Darrell Walker 1     x      
Corey Williams 1     x      
James Edwards 1       x    
Jack Haley 1       x    
John Salley 1       x    
Robert Parish 1         x  
Matt Steigenga 1         x  
Brian Williams (Bison Dele) 1         x  
Keith Booth 1           x
Scott Burrell 1           x
Joe Kleine 1           x
Rusty LaRue 1           x
David Vaughn 1


That's why I always say ppl overlook Kobe's prime esp that horrible roaster he had from 04-to 06 and now. A clear example of that was yesterday against Memphis kobe had 8 points in the 4th quarter including two clutch 3s to bring them back within 3 after trailing by as many as 15 points to begin the 4th. Last possession Jeremy lin calls out 2 for 1 kobe gets denied off the ball by tony allen jordan hill receives a pass by Jeremy who then try's to be a hero and shoot the ball from high post(mind u he was 0-4 before he took that shot) which if u look closely @ kobe after toses his hands up in frustration.

Just a minor example of the dysfunction on offense especially on crunch time on this team to get a reasonable shot off way to stagnant esp when kobe is on the bench.

11/12/2014 4:57:50 PM 2014/15~~NBA talk | Page 5  
yourkingliness
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Shaq, Horry, fisher, Jones, richmond, fox, Payton, Malone, Vujacic, Pau, Bynum, Odom, Ariza, artest, Nash, Howard are just off the top of my head. Fisher and Horry are two of the greatest clutch shooters of all time. Artest and Gasol made game winners in Kobes last championships. I'd say he had plenty of guys to shoot the last shot instead of launching a 22 foot fade away with 3 guys surrounding him meanwhile he has a teammate doing jump jacks in the corner signaling he's open. People say im a Kobe hater but mind you I have him in my top 10 players of all time.



[Edited 11/12/2014 4:59:37 PM ]

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vic245
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All those guys you mention outside of Malone and Payton who were way out of their prime that 1 year they played with him depended on kobe or shaq to make a play to free them up with the exceptions being fisher and horry.

Then again kobe did defer to fisher plenty of times most notobly in game 5 vs the magic in 2009 ot when kobe passed out of an double team to an wide open fisher who sealed the game with that 3 he made.

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yourkingliness
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BIG exceptions in Fisher & Horry. Like I already said, two of the best clutch shooters in NBA history.

11/13/2014 9:18:29 PM 2014/15~~NBA talk | Page 5  

vic245
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Wow these sixers lol Jesus Christ took a quick glance at that mavs and sixers game it's 38-84 Right now.

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sorpstar
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123-70 vic.......