CLV 1Jn 5:6 This is He Who is coming through water and blood and spirit--Jesus Christ--not in the water only, but in the water and in the blood. And the spirit it is which is testifying, for the spirit is the truth,
7. seeing that three there are that are testifying,
8. the spirit, and the water, and the blood, and the three are for the one thing.
9. If we are obtaining the testimony of men, the testimony of God is greater; for this is the testimony of God, that He has testified concerning His Son.

It is a remarkable fact that the word testify is used concerning the Lord's baptism in water (Jn 1:34), and concerning His crucifixion (Jn 19:35), and here again of the spirit (:6). This is confirmed by the statement of the seventh verse. Three are testifying, the spirit, and the water and the blood. First there was His baptism in water accompanied by the testimony of John the Baptist as well as the descending dove and the voice from heaven, saying, "This is My Son, the Beloved in Whom I delight" (Mt 3:17). At His crucifixion one of the soldiers slashes His side with a lance head, and immediately blood and water came out (Jn 19:34). After His glorification, the spirit which He poured forth testified to His exaltation. So that we have testimony to His anointing, to His death, and to His exaltation. These three unite to prove that Jesus is the Son of God. This threefold testimony concerning God's Son is stronger than any mere human evidence. It was given at the very commencement of His ministry, and again at its close. Nothing in between these two points contradicts this testimony, but much that He did and said confirmed it. Only the Son of God could deal with the demons and eject them. He alone could command the elements. The quaking earth at His crucifixion convinced the centurion, who exclaimed, "Truly this was God's Son!" (Mt 27:54).
A. E. Knoch

This was a testimony for God's Son, not a "trinity."

This is NOT multiple choice. God is NOT three or three in one.

But this topic is about "Who claimed to raise Jesus from the dead?".

Have you seen verses which claim that each of the Three (Father/Son/Holy Spirit) raised Jesus from the dead?

OP -- ID like to address this thread topic.

You seem to WANT scripture to be in conflict, corrupted, or erroneous for some reason.

Does this mindset of yours indicate that you are a believer of God who is NOT a Christian believer?

Sweetie -- God does not create confusion; mankind does.

JESUS CHRIST was the 'earthly embodiment of humankind' which God, in His, ultimate power, and miraculous way, could do.

ERGO Jesus Christ raised Himself from death. Amen and Amen. Hallelujah!

Ephesians says it best, 1:19-20 (paraphrasing) "DESTROY THIS TEMPLE (body) AND I WILL CAUSE IT TO RISE UP"! Praise God! Amen!


The "confusion" you seem to be 'tunnel-visioned'on is NOT understanding the difference between "earthly and spiritual" body. Happens a lot with non-Christians, even done Christians, when not knowledgeable but only mouthy.

@ Free ~~ you presume you much, sir, when you attempt, indeed do, assign my response to your question as if it speaks for my Christian belief in total and then have the audacity to confiscate my response and use it as a barbed weapon to challenge a third party.

Shame on you!

Talk about corruption, sir? You have demonstrated that artform in your un-Christian action here.

I didn't vote, and had I voted I would only have had to cast one vote: the TRUTH.

perhaps you should practice it.

There are many Biblical references affirming the "trilogy" of the GODHEAD: THE Father, The Son (Word), The Holy Spirit. [You could equate it to the three elements of creation: The Creator, The Truth, The Eternity.]


Galatians 1:1; Ephesians 1:19-20; John 2:19; John 2:21; John 2:22; John 14:9.

Quote Jesus (paraphrasing) "All this time I have been with you and you still don't know who I am? You still ask where is the Father? When you see me you see the Father."


Quote Jesus (paraphrasing) "Who do you say I am?"

The answer came: "You are the Lord my God."


God does not create confusion; mankind does.

YHVH God's (Holy) Spirit [Comforter] is His Truth...

John 16:13,

But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come.

It's not a person, it's a 'thing'...

Can we grieve a thing? The Holy Spirit is a person.
Ephesians 4:30
And is there a "whom" in that verse?

Why do I have to back it up with scripture? Who says the scripture is the only authority? We also have the constant, unchanging teachings of our Holy Mother the Catholic Church, the entity that put the Bible together in the first place.

Not all the doctrines of Christianity are found in scripture. Some only are word-of-mouth teachings, handed down in the Church down through the centuries. See 2 Thessalonians 2:14 (2:15 in some translations).

But the Bible (1 John 5:7) says that the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit are one.
I John 5:7 is very explicit that God is a Trinity.

Since we do not have the original texts of the Bible, we don't know if Father, Word, and Holy Spirit were in the original or not. Maybe it was, and a copier (a hand copier, the only kind of copiers they had in those days) left it out, by neglect or design. Or maybe it wasn't, and a copier added it by neglect or design. The fact that St. Jerome included it in the Latin Vulgate, and the fact that Cyprian, Tertullian, and Origen (early Christian writers) quoted it, gives strong evidence that it originally was there, but I admit that's not conclusive.

"Oh, we just go by the Bible." "The Bible is the sole rule of faith." The fact that there are hundreds of ancient Greek manuscripts extant, and that some have things in them that others don't, clearly shows that just going by the Bible won't work. Which Bible? Which translation? From which of the many Greek manuscripts? This is why we need the teaching authority of the Catholic Church.

Your Bible? Which Bible? Which translation? From which Greek manuscript? How do you know, unless you are a koine Greek scholar, if your translation is correct or not? For example, should I John 5:7 say Father, Word, and Holy Spirit, as some ancient manuscripts say, or Spirit, water, and fire, as other ancient manusctpts say? Was Mary full of grace, like some Bibles say, or merely highly favored, as others say? Did Isaiah prophesy that tge Messiah would be born to a virgin, as some Bibles say, or to a young woman, as some say? Should the books of I and II Machabees, Tobit, Judith, Wisdom, Sirach, and Baruch be in the Bible? Some Bibles do, some don't. Some Bibles include a III and IV Maccabees.

And you say you don't need the "Catholic organization". Are you aware it was that very Catholic organization, the Catholic bishops who met at Hippo in 393 a.d., who put the Bible together in the first place, deciding which books would go in and which ones not? What is the New Testament, except a history of the early days of the Catholic Church?

First came Jesus. Then came the Church. Then, and only then, almost 400 years after Jesus, came the Bible. Always meep that in mind when you read the Bible.