Dinner date attire

6/19/2014 5:08:53 PM	Dinner date attire
casheyesblond Belmont, NC 52, joined Feb. 2009	Quote from rdeffley: Not a casual meet/greet. An actual dinner date. Ladies, you'd make an effort to look presentable right? Had the meet/greet Sun. Went well and ended in a kiss. Called her Mon night and arranged a dinner date for tonight. I wore a nice button up shirt and good pair of pants. She wore an old t-shirt, jean shorts, and sandals like she was going to the beach. I actually felt uncomfortable walking into the restaurant because of how differently we were dressed. Ironically, the date itself was awesome, and the good night send off was really passionate. But I must admit, what she chose to wear REALLY rubbed me the wrong way. Do you usually have a passionate good night send off with your dates that make you feel uncomfortable and rub you the wrong way ? Quote from rdeffley She wore an old t-shirt, jean shorts, and sandals like she was going to the beach. Did she have holes in her shirt ? Was her shorts so short that her a** was hanging out ? If not then I really don't see what the big deal is in consideration that it's a chain restaurant and most of them are at the mall.Where I live,there is one at SouthPark Mall(first level main entrance adjacent to Belk.) And where I live,some people also shop at SouthPark Mall in shorts and flops and will eat at the Cheesecake factory while they're there. Meet singles at DateHookup.dating, we're 100% free! Join now!
6/19/2014 5:10:01 PM	Dinner date attire
don_johnson99 Janesville, WI 56, joined Nov. 2013	She didn't think you could afford the Cheesecake Factory. She dressed for McDonald's. [Edited 6/19/2014 5:10:18 PM ]
6/19/2014 5:11:10 PM	Dinner date attire
don_johnson99 Janesville, WI 56, joined Nov. 2013	She didn't think you could afford The Cheesecake Factory. She dressed for McDonald's.
6/19/2014 5:18:56 PM	Dinner date attire
musicdesign Moodus, CT 54, joined Apr. 2007	Quote from casheyesblond: where I live,some people also shop at SouthPark Mall in shorts and flops and will eat at the Cheesecake factory while they're there. The point being made, this was an official dinner date, not shopping at the mall.
6/19/2014 5:28:25 PM	Dinner date attire
1darksavior Far Rockaway, NY 54, joined Mar. 2011	Quote from musicdesign: The point being made, this was an official dinner date, not shopping at the mall. if ask someone out and they say they want applebees you can bet your money when i get they'er i will have on jeans and a t-shirt of if summer i will have on shorts and flip flops , if she say some place nice i will dress but no way i am dressing for a chain eatery .
6/19/2014 5:36:48 PM	Dinner date attire
casheyesblond Belmont, NC 52, joined Feb. 2009	Quote from musicdesign: The point being made, this was an official dinner date, not shopping at the mall. I have been to the cheesecake factory to eat and I have seen women wearing shorts and flops that were accompanied by a man. But my point I was making was when I asked him the question,"Do you usually have a passionate good night send off with your dates that make you feel uncomfortable and rub you the wrong way ? " If my date for whatever reason made me feel "uncomfortable" and "rubbed me the wrong way",the last thing I would be doing is passionate good night send off.
6/19/2014 5:37:03 PM	Dinner date attire
reginamc Las Vegas, NV 60, joined Mar. 2011	Quote from esmeraldar: I'm thinking that her casual way of dressing was her way of saying "don't tell me what to do." This is exactly what I thought this morning about 5 AM when I read the beginning of this thread. Some guy "makes it clear" what he wants me to wear ... yeah, whatever
6/19/2014 5:38:41 PM	Dinner date attire
casheyesblond Belmont, NC 52, joined Feb. 2009	Quote from 1darksavior: if ask someone out and they say they want applebees you can bet your money when i get they'er i will have on jeans and a t-shirt of if summer i will have on shorts and flip flops , if she say some place nice i will dress but no way i am dressing for a chain eatery . I agree--the cheesecake factory is a chain restaurant and most of them are at the mall
6/19/2014 5:41:29 PM	Dinner date attire
flirty_n_fun67 Belleville, ON 48, joined Sep. 2010	If your date was good...then what does it matter what she was wearing?
6/19/2014 5:42:13 PM	Dinner date attire
dingodan12 Poteau, OK 62, joined Jan. 2014	Quote from grneyesrme: Did you tell her beforehand where you would be going to dinner? Yup. Gotta communicate effectively to get along well with others.
6/19/2014 5:42:27 PM	Dinner date attire
casheyesblond Belmont, NC 52, joined Feb. 2009	Quote from flirty_n_fun67: If your date was good...then what does it matter what she was wearing? exactly !!!!!
6/19/2014 5:43:36 PM	Dinner date attire
reginamc Las Vegas, NV 60, joined Mar. 2011	Quote from casheyesblond: I agree--the cheesecake factory is a chain restaurant and most of them are at the mall I guess, if you consider the Forum Shops at Caesars Palace a mall.
6/19/2014 5:44:20 PM	Dinner date attire
dingodan12 Poteau, OK 62, joined Jan. 2014	If it were a man dressed like a slob, you women would be singing a different tune. Don't deny it. You know you would. Especially the Canadian.
6/19/2014 5:44:32 PM	Dinner date attire
lets_chill98 Boca Raton, FL 43, joined Apr. 2013	She wanted to go chow down at the rib shack ...
6/19/2014 5:47:40 PM	Dinner date attire
flirty_n_fun67 Belleville, ON 48, joined Sep. 2010	Quote from dingodan12: If it were a man dressed like a slob, you women would be singing a different tune. Don't deny it. You know you would. Especially the Canadian. I dont consider jeans and a t-shirt slobby dweeb...
6/19/2014 5:52:27 PM	Dinner date attire
musicdesign Moodus, CT 54, joined Apr. 2007	The Cheesecake Factory near me is not in a mall. The stores surrounding it are quite expensive. I dressed up (no jeans) when I went to it with my female friends.
6/19/2014 5:54:06 PM	Dinner date attire
dingodan12 Poteau, OK 62, joined Jan. 2014	Quote from flirty_n_fun67: I dont consider jeans and a t-shirt slobby dweeb... You're the dweeb...and a dork too.
6/19/2014 5:55:54 PM	Dinner date attire
dingodan12 Poteau, OK 62, joined Jan. 2014	Quote from musicdesign: The Cheesecake Factory near me is not in a mall. The stores surrounding it are quite expensive. I dressed up (no jeans) when I went to it with my female friends. You're not a real woman according to mrld, eyes, settee, legs...etc... You wanna know why? 'Cause you used the word female instead of woman!! Your cover is blown!!
6/19/2014 5:56:41 PM	Dinner date attire
flirty_n_fun67 Belleville, ON 48, joined Sep. 2010	Quote from dingodan12: You're the dweeb...and a dork too. Don't forget nerd...
6/19/2014 5:57:22 PM	Dinner date attire
reginamc Las Vegas, NV 60, joined Mar. 2011	I would have to see it. Like chevygirl said, there are shorts and tees and then there are shorts and tees. Could have been $200 7 jeans shorts and Louboutin sandals and she could have looked like a million bucks, just because she didn't bow down to his little fantasy doesn't make her a slob. Only chevygirl said the girl was probably around his age, I would bet she was considerably younger. Maybe he doesn't know jack about fashion other than his church lady dress and heels fetish.
6/19/2014 5:59:45 PM	Dinner date attire
casheyesblond Belmont, NC 52, joined Feb. 2009	Quote from musicdesign: The Cheesecake Factory near me is not in a mall. The stores surrounding it are quite expensive. I dressed up (no jeans) when I went to it with my female friends. When looking at his location on his profile,possibly he went to the one that is located in Westfield Oakridge Shopping Centre They even have curb service "TO GO Need your order "To Go?" Try our Curbside To-Go Service! It's as easy as 1, 2, 3! 1. Call in to place your order. 2. When you arrive to pickup your order, Drive up to our special Curbside To-Go Parking spaces, and call our Curbside Pickup line at 408-246-0098 to let us know you've arrived. 3. Your food will be delivered right to your car, and you'll be on your way!"
6/19/2014 6:13:55 PM	Dinner date attire
musicdesign Moodus, CT 54, joined Apr. 2007	Quote from dingodan12: You're not a real woman according to mrld, eyes, settee, legs...etc... You wanna know why? 'Cause you used the word female instead of woman!! Your cover is blown!!
6/19/2014 6:15:07 PM	Dinner date attire
sir_hugo_drax Big Timber, MT 24, joined Apr. 2014	Do you all dress the same regardless of the occasion? Forget about the establishment. Is going out with a few friends the same as going out on a date as far as your attire is concerned? [Edited 6/19/2014 6:16:48 PM ]
6/19/2014 6:18:44 PM	Dinner date attire
musicdesign Moodus, CT 54, joined Apr. 2007	Quote from sir_hugo_drax: Do you all dress the same regardless of the occasion? Forget about the establishment. Is going out with a few friends the same as going out on a date as far as your attire is concerned? Bingo, we have a winner. No, it is not the same. This was not an established relationship, but a "first" date where appearances "do matter".
6/19/2014 6:19:29 PM	Dinner date attire
galaxyqueene Sugar Land, TX 57, joined May. 2014	I would never listen to a man TELLING me what to wear. He can compliment a photo, I'll do what I want with that, based on the place ~~~ I know exactly what to where for anything. I'm also betting she's younger. I don't see having such "passion" after being uncomfortable and embarrassed with a date. FYI: wearing dresses? I wear a slip unless it's a heavy suit with a lining. Lined dresses, loose or form fitting? slip.
6/19/2014 6:19:46 PM	Dinner date attire
maestrodude Acton, CA 38, joined Jan. 2014	Why did you wear a button button up collared shirt? You could have worn a polo shirt with jeans. The Cheesecake Factory isn't exactly the Russian Tea Room.
6/19/2014 6:23:09 PM	Dinner date attire
lilod Aurora, IL 50, joined Aug. 2012	Quote from sir_hugo_drax: Do you all dress the same regardless of the occasion? Forget about the establishment. Is going out with a few friends the same as going out on a date as far as your attire is concerned? Yeah, I probably wouldn't make a change based on that. It would be more venue-related for me, unless it was a celebration dinner for my grandmother or something. I know I'm probably unusual in this, but I don't dress differently for dates, any more than I am careful what I talk about or do anything else to make a positive impression. My approach to job interviews is the same. No sense polishing things up to mislead someone; let them see what they'll be getting on a day-to-day basis and make an informed decision.
6/19/2014 6:24:57 PM	Dinner date attire
barrydalmi Baltimore, MD 53, joined Dec. 2007	Business casual at least...then add things depending on entrée price.
6/19/2014 6:27:48 PM	Dinner date attire
casheyesblond Belmont, NC 52, joined Feb. 2009	Quote from galaxyqueene: I don't see having such "passion" after being uncomfortable and embarrassed with a date. I don't understand that part either
6/19/2014 6:28:40 PM	Dinner date attire
sir_hugo_drax Big Timber, MT 24, joined Apr. 2014	Quote from lilod: Yeah, I probably wouldn't make a change based on that. It would be more venue-related for me, unless it was a celebration dinner for my grandmother or something. I know I'm probably unusual in this, but I don't dress differently for dates, any more than I am careful what I talk about or do anything else to make a positive impression. My approach to job interviews is the same. No sense polishing things up to mislead someone; let them see what they'll be getting on a day-to-day basis and make an informed decision. Putting a little more care into your appearance for a date is no more "misleading" than dressing for a job interview in a manner that you won't be working.
6/19/2014 6:29:13 PM	Dinner date attire
galaxyqueene Sugar Land, TX 57, joined May. 2014	Quote from casheyesblond: I don't understand that part either curb service ~~~ jammies will do
6/19/2014 6:33:01 PM	Dinner date attire
galaxyqueene Sugar Land, TX 57, joined May. 2014	I dress the same for an interview that I would for the job. Except a million yrs ago --- grad from college, suit for the interview, even though it was a starting position in the field. Professional clothing is not as variable as a dating wardrobe, since the range of possibilites/activities is so diverse. [Edited 6/19/2014 6:33:15 PM ]
6/19/2014 6:33:43 PM	Dinner date attire
forumfriendly2 Norfolk, VA 39, joined Sep. 2013	women come on dates dressed as slobs and stinking they have no respect for you or any guy, they think they can just do whatever and get away with it ....you should feel honored you get to buy her dinner
6/19/2014 6:34:59 PM	Dinner date attire
galaxyqueene Sugar Land, TX 57, joined May. 2014	Quote from forumfriendly2: women come on dates dressed as slobs and stinking they have no respect for you or any guy, they think they can just do whatever and get away with it ....you should feel honored you get to buy her dinner Ah, spot on. It is a matter of respect ~~~ for his time and consideration. I didn't think of that.
6/19/2014 6:40:31 PM	Dinner date attire
lilod Aurora, IL 50, joined Aug. 2012	Quote from sir_hugo_drax: Putting a little more care into your appearance for a date is no more "misleading" than dressing for a job interview in a manner that you won't be working. Agreed...and I don't do that, either. Sorry if that wasn't clear; I thought that's what I said.
6/19/2014 6:41:29 PM	Dinner date attire
sir_hugo_drax Big Timber, MT 24, joined Apr. 2014	Quote from galaxyqueene: I dress the same for an interview that I would for the job. Except a million yrs ago --- grad from college, suit for the interview, even though it was a starting position in the field. Professional clothing is not as variable as a dating wardrobe, since the range of possibilites/activities is so diverse. Good points, especially where I highlighted your "exception". But this isn't about business attire. This is about casual attire, which is far, far more wide ranging and can be appropriate for a date or not appropriate to take the trash out.
6/19/2014 6:42:38 PM	Dinner date attire
mustangwriter Boerne, TX 55, joined Nov. 2009	What are we..in Junior High? Get a grip folks.
6/19/2014 6:52:51 PM	Dinner date attire
frgprnce Baltimore, MD 52, joined Dec. 2010	Quote from soulflight: wow...12 pages of analysis cuz' a guy had a great date and a passionate kiss with a girl in shorts... LOL...very true... So I'm curious OP...are you not going to see her again...simply because of the way she dressed and/or dresses on future dates? It wasn't a four/five start restaurant...
6/19/2014 6:55:25 PM	Dinner date attire
reginamc Las Vegas, NV 60, joined Mar. 2011	I'm betting that she won't see him.
6/19/2014 6:58:53 PM	Dinner date attire
cranky__geezer Patchogue, NY 57, joined Mar. 2014	Quote from frgprnce: LOL...very true... So I'm curious OP...are you not going to see her again...simply because of the way she dressed and/or dresses on future dates? It wasn't a four/five start restaurant... Do mediocre to crappy chain restaurants even rate one star?
6/19/2014 7:00:29 PM	Dinner date attire
lilod Aurora, IL 50, joined Aug. 2012	Quote from galaxyqueene: Professional clothing is not as variable as a dating wardrobe, since the range of possibilites/activities is so diverse. I think those days are gone. The last job where I used my law degree, another guy was hired the same day I was (but at a much higher salary, for a tech job). He showed up for the interview in a hoodie and shorts. It's good that I learned about the dress code at the interview, or I would have been very ill-prepared a few days later when I found myself sitting on the office floor building my own desk.
6/19/2014 7:07:12 PM	Dinner date attire
galaxyqueene Sugar Land, TX 57, joined May. 2014	I work in fully equipped offices. Top of the line, industry leader. No jeans, no sleeveless, no flip flops, etc.
6/19/2014 7:17:04 PM	Dinner date attire
mjblvd Teaneck, NJ 32, joined May. 2013	generally for a dinner date it appropriate to dress somewhere in between dressy and casual to take early if its a first timer second time meeting somebodymer second time meeting somebody. the only time any other attire is appropriate is if you're coming from somewhere with the person or they know that you're coming from somewhere and I won't have time to change. It's not a deal breaker but its definitely something to think about before actually getting into a relationship because the last thing you need to be teaching adults is what to wear when.
6/19/2014 7:20:09 PM	Dinner date attire
e_girlfriend Šachovskaja Russia 29, joined Aug. 2013	Unbelievable!!!! A man who actually cares what she's wearing during a date
6/19/2014 7:21:57 PM	Dinner date attire
galaxyqueene Sugar Land, TX 57, joined May. 2014	Quote from e_girlfriend: Unbelievable!!!! A man who actually cares what she's wearing during a date He only "cared" so far as telling her what to wear. That's not "caring", that's selfish. If she was so young as to not to know how to dress, he probably shouldn't date her, instead of trying to guide her.
6/19/2014 7:22:20 PM	Dinner date attire
lilod Aurora, IL 50, joined Aug. 2012	Quote from galaxyqueene: I work in fully equipped offices. Top of the line, industry leader. No jeans, no sleeveless, no flip flops, etc. The company I'm talking about there was Inc 500 and Crain's Fast 50 two years in a row. Our CEO presented at the World Electronic Commerce Convention at 20 and was frequently quoted in Entrepreneur and similar publications. Oh, and the company doubled its revenues in each of five consecutive years. The times, they are a-changin'
6/19/2014 7:26:17 PM	Dinner date attire
frgprnce Baltimore, MD 52, joined Dec. 2010	Quote from lilod: The company I'm talking about there was Inc 500 and Crain's Fast 50 two years in a row. Our CEO presented at the World Electronic Commerce Convention at 20 and was frequently quoted in Entrepreneur and similar publications. Oh, and the company doubled its revenues in each of five consecutive years. The times, they are a-changin' Agreed... Places I've worked...we have mad engineer/scientist types that show up in shorts and sandals. They are sought after for their technical abilities...not the way they dress.
6/19/2014 7:26:25 PM	Dinner date attire
galaxyqueene Sugar Land, TX 57, joined May. 2014	Not in every industry, not in every specialty of an industry I'm not trying to compete with whatever revenues/size of a company. This company is more formal than the Forbes 10 companies in the industry.
6/19/2014 7:29:08 PM	Dinner date attire
lilod Aurora, IL 50, joined Aug. 2012	Quote from galaxyqueene: Not in every industry, not in every specialty of an industry I'm not trying to compete with whatever revenues/size of a company. This company is more formal than the Forbes 10 companies in the industry. Well, if you'd said that, we'd have been in complete agreement. Instead, you said "fully equipped," "top of the line" and "industry leader," all of which apply to a great many companies that no longer stand on formality.
6/19/2014 7:30:59 PM	Dinner date attire
mistymay77 Newnan, GA 38, joined Dec. 2007	I would wear jeans and a shirt and my vans. I would want to be comfortable. Clothes don't make you attractive, your attitude does.
6/19/2014 7:34:12 PM	Dinner date attire
galaxyqueene Sugar Land, TX 57, joined May. 2014	I wouldn't call a company that has you sit on the floor and put your desk together "fully equipped". Every job I've had has the office fully furnished, computers, phones, display screens, email, necessary software, hooked up and ready to work. "Top of the line" refers to everything.
6/19/2014 7:36:30 PM	Dinner date attire
frgprnce Baltimore, MD 52, joined Dec. 2010	Quote from mistymay77: I would wear jeans and a shirt and my vans. I would want to be comfortable. Clothes don't make you attractive, your attitude does. Well...your pics are attractive...
6/19/2014 7:38:29 PM	Dinner date attire
mistymay77 Newnan, GA 38, joined Dec. 2007	Quote from rdeffley: Multiple profile pics of her in dresses and heels on her profile. On the meet/greet she asked which outfit I liked best on her profile. So she knew which dress I was referring to. Yes but these pics are for a dating site where people are trying to impress. Just because she has multiple pics in a dress doesn't mean that's how she normally dresses. You made an assumption off of a few pics on her profile.
6/19/2014 7:39:09 PM	Dinner date attire
mistymay77 Newnan, GA 38, joined Dec. 2007	Quote from frgprnce: Well...your pics are attractive... Thanks, Jim.
6/19/2014 7:44:25 PM	Dinner date attire
chris_90352 Sykesville, MD 43, joined Sep. 2010	Quote from rdeffley: Not a casual meet/greet. An actual dinner date. Ladies, you'd make an effort to look presentable right? Had the meet/greet Sun. Went well and ended in a kiss. Called her Mon night and arranged a dinner date for tonight. I wore a nice button up shirt and good pair of pants. She wore an old t-shirt, jean shorts, and sandals like she was going to the beach. I actually felt uncomfortable walking into the restaurant because of how differently we were dressed. Ironically, the date itself was awesome, and the good night send off was really passionate. But I must admit, what she chose to wear REALLY rubbed me the wrong way. To hear the ladies tell it, it's usually the guys that dress like slobs, so I suppose it's something to be on the other side of that. As long as it was an awesome date and a good night, and as long as she wasn't complaining, I guess you did alright. These days, I generally dress in pretty close to the business-casual clothes I wear to work for my dates, unless it's something really unusual. Business-casual seems to work well enough for most general dates and coffee-date "meet-ups"... I might aim toward the nicer end of that spectrum for a first date, or the more casual end for a day in the park or something like that. I believe my dates usually show up in anything from pretty much business-casual, to jeans-and-tee-shirt... I don't think any of my dates have dressed in a way that left me feeling distinctly under-dressed by comparison, and I can't rightly say my dates have ever shown up in anything that left me feeling uncomfortable. If it seems like something unusual and I'm in doubt about what to wear, I'll ask her what she plans to wear, and if it sounds really fancy then I will start to worry (I don't really have any sort of black-tie outfits in my wardrobe, and my only suit is probably more suitable for funerals than anything else!) Your mileage, of course, may vary. For example, it could be regional - what might seem a little too casual and sloppy in one part of the country, might be overdressed and pretentious in others. And, then there's the age group involved - youngsters might consider an expensive pair of jeans, sneakers, clean black-concert-tee-shirt, and a Red Man ball-cap to be dressing up high-class, while someone just a few years older might go with something a little more "grown-up" by more conservative standards. So, I guess there's no easy answer to whatever your question is. As long as you don't embarrass yourself by dressing inappropriately, and as long as you and your date had a good time together, I guess you're Doing It Right.
6/19/2014 7:44:43 PM	Dinner date attire
reginamc Las Vegas, NV 60, joined Mar. 2011	He not only "made it clear" he wanted a dress, he specifically requested the one in the profile pic. I would have told him to wear it himself.
6/19/2014 7:47:47 PM	Dinner date attire
lilod Aurora, IL 50, joined Aug. 2012	Quote from galaxyqueene: I wouldn't call a company that has you sit on the floor and put your desk together "fully equipped". Every job I've had has the office fully furnished, computers, phones, display screens, email, necessary software, hooked up and ready to work. "Top of the line" refers to everything. Ah, but the fact that you wouldn't call it that based on one sentence doesn't mean much, does it? Our offices were on Michigan Avenue in Chicago, overlooking the lake. We had a very well-appointed music room with a full range of instruments, large, wall-mounted plasmas in every room, state of the art technology, free coffee and food, health club membership in the building and an array of other perks. There was a reason for the desk-building adventure.
6/19/2014 7:53:37 PM	Dinner date attire
galaxyqueene Sugar Land, TX 57, joined May. 2014	AH, you didn't say why you had to build your own desk, just that you wished you'd worn jeans to sit on the floor. You get how that comes across, right? Many companies have fitness facilities/massages/personal trainers onsite. For over 30 yrs. State of the art technology? you have no idea [Edited 6/19/2014 7:55:19 PM ]
6/19/2014 8:00:58 PM	Dinner date attire
tarzansearches Somerdale, NJ 26, joined Sep. 2011	Quote from 1love916: the cheese cake factory is just one step up from denny's. she didnt have to dress up for that. Agreed. Cheesecake factory is one of those places that blows smoke up their own asses. Seriously, the menu and food is a joke. The buildings are fairly ornate and the food is just overpriced. No offense, but this place is generally for people who like to show they have money to waste, while thinking it's an excuse to dress up because of the price. You can go to a Texas Roadhouse or Joe's Crab Shack for better food for a similar to slightly lower price, and have a way more relaxed atmosphere to enjoy your date. Heck, Margaritaville is better. Fun thought for the OP: what if you made a fool of yourself in front of her by dressing too nicely for this? Maybe she considers this fairly low class for a restaurant and thus her outfit...meanwhile, you showed up dressed like you were about to order 3 fingers of The Glenlevit 21 on the rocks @ $40/finger.
6/19/2014 8:02:22 PM	Dinner date attire
rdeffley San Jose, CA 35, joined Sep. 2009	Quote from frgprnce: LOL...very true... So I'm curious OP...are you not going to see her again...simply because of the way she dressed and/or dresses on future dates? It wasn't a four/five start restaurant... I'm not that shallow where I'd writo a girl off over an outfit choice. I plan on calling her tmrw when she has a half work day to ask her out again. But I do plan on being honest about my disappointment in her outfit choice. BTW - I don't claim to be a fashion expert. But this was not a "nice" pair of jean shorts. This was old, bottoms rolled up, worn out looking. Also the t-shirt was extremely old and worn, and the sandals were flip flops with a lot of wear and tear. This is something you'd wear out to sit by the pool or go to the beach. I'm just glad there are some women in this thread that see where I'm coming from. That it isn't about the establishment, but the company involved and making an impression. That it isn't about the clothes themselves, but the effort it represents. As I said before imagine if a guy that took you to dinner in a tank top, swim trunks, and flip flops. Would you be impressed with the "effort"? [Edited 6/19/2014 8:03:38 PM ]

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