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6/24/2014 10:04:31 AM Dinner date attire  

beautifulfire08
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Quote from eyesofmedusa:
Understood Fire...

However not all of us are the same..and we are all struggling to be seen as individuals ..aren't we ?

Our gender has fought like hell for the freedom of choice ..in all things.

I hv absolutely no problem with women who choose to ..."doll up" if it is their thing....

What I'm having issues with is being judged as less than by not being one of those women.

I hv 14 hr day..I am not doing all of this. I am also not wanting to be seen as perfectly put together..it sets up expectations..or has in my world.

I hv been " better" dressed than the man I went out with a time or two....it didn't affect how I saw the man.

I was there for him..not his clothing.

Again, my issue is being told if I'm not taking hours of effort to impress him...that I'm not following the expectations of society to ve considered a woman who prides herself.

How I look ? Affects no one.....how I think and treat others ? Does.
Nobody said she should take "hours" of effort.

I don't think what "society" thinks has anything to do with it. All I'm saying is ...reread what I stated above.

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6/24/2014 10:13:02 AM Dinner date attire  

eyesofmedusa
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Quote from beautifulfire08:
I didn't get that at all, that for a woman to have pride in herself she has to doll up for the guy.

My point of view is that, if a guy is asking me out for the first time, and I accept his invitation, at least for me, that means I REALLY like this guy. I don't waste my time going out at all if I don't REALLY like the guy, I'm REALLY impressed by him, and I also hope that he is as impressed by me as I am by him.

As such, I try to "doll up" (yeah, I don't use the term either, but we know what it means). I want to look pretty, sexy, have my hair looking nice, makeup as perfect as I can get it, legs and pits shaved to "perfection," and smelling goooooooooooooooood.

That is part of the dating/mating ritual, doing what you can to be ATTRACTIVE to the male (or female) species.

Particularly since this is the FIRST (officially) DATE, you don't see why the OP would have been disappointed that she showed up in raggy shorts and a T, with no makeup (I think he said no makeup)?

I can't help but wonder and assume that you'd be disappointed if the situation were reversed. If you had taken your time to look pretty and attractive for him, and he showed very little effort to have the same consideration for you, wouldn't you be disappointed?

I know I would.


He said "pride"..scroll up...as for the rest...I covered it.....

You like to dress to impress..you clearly stated it....and that's fine.

I don't....and that should also be
okay....

My hair is uncontrollable...my nails usually are unpolished...I don't hv them.nor my toes done.

I wear office attire..it is pretty much all I own..not investing in " dating attire" ...I dint wear heels..ever..I own one floor length skirt..no dresses...

I don't do what many apparently think I should...and I'm okay with it...

I am clean..smell good...hardly any makeup...don't shave my legs..don't hv to....no hair..



[Edited 6/24/2014 10:16:55 AM ]

6/24/2014 10:29:21 AM Dinner date attire  

beautifulfire08
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Quote from eyesofmedusa:
He said "pride"..scroll up...as for the rest...I covered it.....

You like to dress to impress..you clearly stated it....and that's fine.

I don't....and that should also be
okay....

My hair is uncontrollable...my nails usually are unpolished...I don't hv them.nor my toes done.

I wear office attire..it is pretty much all I own..not investing in " dating attire" ...I dint wear heels..ever..I own one floor length skirt..no dresses...

I don't do what many apparently think I should...and I'm okay with it...

I am clean..smell good...hardly any makeup...don't shave my legs..don't hv to....no hair..


No, typically, I don't dress to impress anyone but ME.

But, again, if I even go out with a guy (you have to understand I almost never accept a date with a guy, unless I REALLLLLLYYYYY REALLYYYYYY like him!), so maybe I'm thinking along those lines and, as such, I sure do want to impress him. And I don't mean it in the way that it might sound...I don't mean I'm wanting to impress him because he might think less of me because I don't -- frankly, I couldn't care the f**k less. I think you should know by now how little I give a shit what people think of me. I just mean I want him to go WOWWWW, not, Oh. Wow. Get it?

How'd you get by with having NO hair on your legs?

I don't do my nails. I work too hard to have polished, manicured nails. I don't have fancy clothes. But I am not going to show up for a first date in sloppy a** shorts and T. Nope, no way.

Second or third date, depending on where we go, I'll wear what I'm most comfortable wearing, which is either going to be nice shorts and top, or a comfortable sundress in warm weather, and jeans and sweater or a warm dress, like a sweater dress and boots in cold weater. That's me. I don't wear high heels, I don't wear frills, and I don't wear lace. Ew.

Same with the bedroom. If it's the first time I'm sleeping with a guy, in the beginning of an intimate relationship, I'm not going to emerge from my morning twoilette wearing dirty spongebob squarepants footie pajammies, I'm going to have on something sexy. Not slutty, mind you, SEXY. Some really pretty ling-er-ie. You know...one of them peng noirs!

6/24/2014 10:33:26 AM Dinner date attire  
e_llicit
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I feel like a fly on the wall of an insane asylum looking down at all the crazies spitting, grunting, biting and peeing on each other. ie, communicating.



[Edited 6/24/2014 10:35:46 AM ]

6/24/2014 10:34:04 AM Dinner date attire  
settee_m
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This whole conversation is about her doing something different than was requested of her by the OP...

I've maintained since the beginning of this thread, she wore what she wore out of defiance of his request...

Quote medusa: "Our gender has fought like hell for the freedom of choice ..in all things."

That may well be true, but to the exclusion of common sense? Was his request controlling? She must have thought it was, which only begs the question, why did she follow through with the date? To prove a point? The point being he had a good date with her regardless of how irked he was she didn't wear the dress he'd requested....

I suppose at some point when I was young and immature, I would have done the same, BUT now I don't have the time nor energy to rebuke a man I've willingly accepted the date...

Besides, I like wearing dresses...

6/24/2014 10:45:48 AM Dinner date attire  

bigbear_is_back
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Dressing for the occasion is a must,
sporting events you wear your team colors or jersey , swimming you wear swimwear and as for dinner you would casual dress etc.....

6/24/2014 10:51:07 AM Dinner date attire  

beautifulfire08
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Regarding being purposefully defiant of his request, I don't see it that way at all, but if she did, she's a b*tch. In fact, she proved that when she hung up on him for him expressing his disappointment at the way she was dressed.

My take is that she didn't care about him, didn't care about the restaurant, didn't care about what she wore, and didn't care whether or not she saw him again. I think she may, indeed, have been in it for the "free meal."

6/24/2014 10:51:25 AM Dinner date attire  
kickrocks1
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if they are dressed bad , tells you how much they care to take care of themselves...gross


6/24/2014 10:52:38 AM Dinner date attire  

beautifulfire08
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People are speaking, having a conversation. Sometimes there's agreement. Sometimes there's disagreement. That's hardly deserving of your ridiculous description.

6/24/2014 10:57:17 AM Dinner date attire  

helmholtzwatson
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Meh, no biggie....it's only CF.

If she wore it to be comfy, no problem.

If she wore it to be contentious, then it would probably be a short date anyway.

The way I read it, the OP still thought she was attractive enough for a 'passionate send off'....so b*tching about her attire AFTER it wasn't enough to deter the tonsil hockey is pretty lame.

6/24/2014 11:25:09 AM Dinner date attire  

soulflight
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Quote from helmholtzwatson:
Meh, no biggie....it's only CF.

If she wore it to be comfy, no problem.

If she wore it to be contentious, then it would probably be a short date anyway.

The way I read it, the OP still thought she was attractive enough for a 'passionate send off'....so b*tching about her attire AFTER it wasn't enough to deter the tonsil hockey is pretty lame.


ok! that's it! If you can't care enough to get your knickers in a twist and tell us how you REALLY feel, then your participation in this discussion is not needed.

MY GAWD! How do you expect to keep a conversation going with THAT kind of thinking???

Huh?!

*slams door*





6/24/2014 11:32:14 AM Dinner date attire  

helmholtzwatson
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Beg pardon, Ma'am.

In the future I will bring knickers especially designed for twisting.

6/24/2014 12:46:36 PM Dinner date attire  

eyesofmedusa
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Quote from beautifulfire08:
No, typically, I don't dress to impress anyone but ME.

But, again, if I even go out with a guy (you have to understand I almost never accept a date with a guy, unless I REALLLLLLYYYYY REALLYYYYYY like him!), so maybe I'm thinking along those lines and, as such, I sure do want to impress him. And I don't mean it in the way that it might sound...I don't mean I'm wanting to impress him because he might think less of me because I don't -- frankly, I couldn't care the f**k less. I think you should know by now how little I give a shit what people think of me. I just mean I want him to go WOWWWW, not, Oh. Wow. Get it?

How'd you get by with having NO hair on your legs?

I don't do my nails. I work too hard to have polished, manicured nails. I don't have fancy clothes. But I am not going to show up for a first date in sloppy a** shorts and T. Nope, no way.

Second or third date, depending on where we go, I'll wear what I'm most comfortable wearing, which is either going to be nice shorts and top, or a comfortable sundress in warm weather, and jeans and sweater or a warm dress, like a sweater dress and boots in cold weater. That's me. I don't wear high heels, I don't wear frills, and I don't wear lace. Ew.

Same with the bedroom. If it's the first time I'm sleeping with a guy, in the beginning of an intimate relationship, I'm not going to emerge from my morning twoilette wearing dirty spongebob squarepants footie pajammies, I'm going to have on something sexy. Not slutty, mind you, SEXY. Some really pretty ling-er-ie. You know...one of them peng noirs!




You just NAILED IT !

I just realized. ... I don't take it seriously...and I hvnt met one I wld take it seriously girl !

I hv learned better...for ME ....

As for the hair..idk..as I hv aged the hair just fkn vanished

6/24/2014 12:54:00 PM Dinner date attire  
tasty_taters
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I don't wear clothes at dinner.........

6/24/2014 1:09:28 PM Dinner date attire  

machug59
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A naked tater..



6/24/2014 1:12:39 PM Dinner date attire  
lilod
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Quote from beautifulfire08:
Regarding being purposefully defiant of his request, I don't see it that way at all, but if she did, she's a b*tch.


Except that OP has made it clear many times in these forums that he's a sexual dominant and makes that clear to women and ensures that their preferences are compatible before meeting. Tossing that into the mix definitely ups the possibility that she was attempting to provoke him with her blatant disregard of his request.

6/24/2014 1:13:48 PM Dinner date attire  
tasty_taters
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Quote from machug59:
A naked tater..



hey it beats having attire for dinner, doesn't it

that'd probably be a little chewy

6/24/2014 1:14:25 PM Dinner date attire  

lovessmart
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Quote from beautifulfire08:
I didn't get that at all, that for a woman to have pride in herself she has to doll up for the guy.

My point of view is that, if a guy is asking me out for the first time, and I accept his invitation, at least for me, that means I REALLY like this guy. I don't waste my time going out at all if I don't REALLY like the guy, I'm REALLY impressed by him, and I also hope that he is as impressed by me as I am by him.

As such, I try to "doll up" (yeah, I don't use the term either, but we know what it means). I want to look pretty, sexy, have my hair looking nice, makeup as perfect as I can get it, legs and pits shaved to "perfection," and smelling goooooooooooooooood.

That is part of the dating/mating ritual, doing what you can to be ATTRACTIVE to the male (or female) species.

Particularly since this is the FIRST (officially) DATE, you don't see why the OP would have been disappointed that she showed up in raggy shorts and a T, with no makeup (I think he said no makeup)?

I can't help but wonder and assume that you'd be disappointed if the situation were reversed. If you had taken your time to look pretty and attractive for him, and he showed very little effort to have the same consideration for you, wouldn't you be disappointed?

I know I would.


You may have not gotten this from his opening post:

Had the meet/greet Sun. Went well and ended in a kiss. Called her Mon night and arranged a dinner date for tonight. I wore a nice button up shirt and good pair of pants. She wore an old t-shirt, jean shorts, and sandals like she was going to the beach. I actually felt uncomfortable walking into the restaurant because of how differently we were dressed.

He apparently had no problem with the way she looked on their meet and greet.

6/24/2014 1:14:33 PM Dinner date attire  

machug59
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6/24/2014 1:16:11 PM Dinner date attire  
tasty_taters
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glad you helped me set that joke up mach.......

otherwise it would've fell flat

6/24/2014 1:18:01 PM Dinner date attire  

lovessmart
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I have been much better dressed than some of the men I have been on a first date with, and I don't assume anything.

And I surely don't feel it's my business to tell him how to dress. If I did, I would have no problem with him calling me controlling and caring more what other people might think. It's not like I told him there was a dress code before we made the plans.



[Edited 6/24/2014 1:18:52 PM ]

6/24/2014 1:40:58 PM Dinner date attire  

lovessmart
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Quote from beautifulfire08:
No, typically, I don't dress to impress anyone but ME.

But, again, if I even go out with a guy (you have to understand I almost never accept a date with a guy, unless I REALLLLLLYYYYY REALLYYYYYY like him!), so maybe I'm thinking along those lines and, as such, I sure do want to impress him. And I don't mean it in the way that it might sound...I don't mean I'm wanting to impress him because he might think less of me because I don't -- frankly, I couldn't care the f**k less.


I use to feel the need to impress on the first date was important, until I met my husband of 30 years. I met him at a club where a friend introduced me to him. I had just come from work and had my work close on. So he say me as a hard working woman. I really really liked him and hoped he'd ask me out, by letting my friend know I was interested. I made a conscious decision at that point to be myself which is generally casual, because I wanted him to see me as I was from the very start, warts and all and if he still liked me, then I knew it was something that could be the start of something real. It worked, so I will never go back to trying to impress again. If my style doesn't work for a guy, he is simply the wrong guy.

6/24/2014 2:17:09 PM Dinner date attire  

beautifulfire08
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@lovesmart:

I don't dress nicely hoping that's what's going to make a guy like me.

You're missing the point.

6/24/2014 2:18:18 PM Dinner date attire  

beautifulfire08
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@lovesmart, and he likely didn't have a reason to have a problem with what she was wearing on their first meet and greet. But this was a first DATE.

6/24/2014 2:18:32 PM Dinner date attire  

soulflight
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There is an assumption being made that 'making an effort' is all about the external. I dress for me. I want to feel comfortable and presentable where ever I am. That IS who I am. Since that isn't an original thought I am sure there are others who feel the same way.

6/24/2014 2:19:15 PM Dinner date attire  

machug59
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Quote from tasty_taters:
glad you helped me set that joke up mach.......

otherwise it would've fell flat



Oh lawwwwd...

6/24/2014 2:19:51 PM Dinner date attire  

beautifulfire08
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@ lilod, I don't pay attention to people's posts enough to make a compilation of what their sexual proclivities are. I didn't get anything about this particular discussion that made him seem like he was trying to exert dominance over her by saying he'd like to see her in the sexy, cute dress she had on in the picture.

6/24/2014 2:25:16 PM Dinner date attire  

lovessmart
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Quote from beautifulfire08:
@lovesmart, and he likely didn't have a reason to have a problem with what she was wearing on their first meet and greet. But this was a first DATE.


Again, why impress instead of being herself? If she is dressing for herself than that's what she chose for herself.



[Edited 6/24/2014 2:26:14 PM ]

6/24/2014 2:30:42 PM Dinner date attire  

beautifulfire08
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I don't know, I guess I'm just old fashioned. I'll continue to dress in a manner that I think would be pleasing to the guy who's just offered to take me out and spend his hard-earned money on me, because he enjoys my company, and enjoys seeing me looking nice. Of course, I won't wear anything I wouldn't normally wear, but I will do my best to look pretty and attractive for him. Geez, I thought that's what part of dating -- at least initial dating -- was all about.


6/24/2014 2:32:19 PM Dinner date attire  

ttrockz55
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@beautiful

6/24/2014 2:36:49 PM Dinner date attire  

beautifulfire08
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And let me ask you something:

Isn't part of the reason you're wearing that purple and white sundress with half your boobs hanging out is to impress men? I mean, I wear stuff that shows cleavage, but I sure as hell don't do it to impress myself.

Cuz if I wanted to, I could stand in front of my bathroom mirror, naked, and jump up and down all day long, yelling, "Titties! Titties! Look at me, I've got Titties!" Cuz, yanno, I do have some pretty awesome ones.

But my normal manner of dress is a T shirt and shorts. Appropriate for home, but not for going out, particularly if other people are dressed nicely. Casually, but nicely.

6/24/2014 2:40:42 PM Dinner date attire  

lovessmart
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Quote from rdeffley:
Has it really come to the point where people have to discuss what they're wearing? Shouldn't some things fall under common sense? If you have a dinner date at a relatively nice place, you put some effort into what you're wearing.
Well, she is just too casual for you then. You'll just have to throw the personality down the toilet, because she isn't perfect.

6/24/2014 2:47:34 PM Dinner date attire  
sir_hugo_drax
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There comes a point where points are pointless.

Peace!

6/24/2014 2:50:59 PM Dinner date attire  

lovethelake17
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Quote from flirty_n_fun67:
And just what clothing is respectful?...Should i have a man come and check out my wardrobe and tell me what his version of respectful is before we go out?...Cause i should not dress to please myself...it should be about pleasing everybody else and making sure they think im respectful..NOT...i would date the man who says...i look good in everything i wear..even my pj's....not someone who has hangups about my wardrobe...


I never said anything about respectful clothing.

My implication was that someone if they do indeed respect, appreciate, like, and/or are interested in, not to mention understand that they're not the only person who is in this outing of a date, would consider the person they're with and realize that showing respect also means attiring themselves with that respect in mind. As in "he's taking me somewhere regardless of its stars or lack thereof, where we will sit down, be handed a menu, and talk easily, happily, and companionably, while enjoying a meal together. He planned this in the hopes of our having a nice time together, and I'd like to reciprocate his feelings by showing my appreciation not only in my demeanor and sparkling conversation, but by clothing myself in a way that I believe shows that I respect and appreciate his efforts."

Much like when I go to church, while I can show up in cutoffs and a holy t-shirt because I was watering the garden before coming, my upbringing has made me feel that if I respect God I will come to His house dressed as if I do. Much like if I go to someone's house who has cleaned their house, cooked all day, set the table, and put together a lovely evening of food, friends, and music, I will respect them and their efforts and dress myself up in more than just shorts, a tank, and flip flops. Of course, God and my friends will love me no matter what I wear. I just think more of them than to be a slob just because I only wear what is most comfortable and F' them if they don't like it or feel slighted because I can't be bothered.

That it is NOT all about only one person and their demanding of respect or tolerance without giving any of their own, and instead castigating someone who would dare display dismay.

No one said it was about forgetting your own comfort and dressing to please everybody but yourself. You know, for eons people have been able to blend those two concepts. I can dress for myself and my comfort while still keeping an eye to making someone else feel comfort while with me. What an idea, huh?



[Edited 6/24/2014 2:51:26 PM ]

6/24/2014 2:52:51 PM Dinner date attire  

beautifulfire08
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You'd be okay showing up in a "holy" t shirt for church!

But seriously...

I totally agree with you. I want him to see me and think HOT DAMN, she's gorgeous! and be pleased that I took the time and effort to be visually pleasing to him.



[Edited 6/24/2014 2:54:07 PM ]

6/24/2014 2:54:30 PM Dinner date attire  

lovethelake17
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@fire.

I am so going to my mirror now. See y'all in a bit.



ETA: No, I couldn't go to church in a holy (or hole-y ) t-shirt. My aunt would roll over in her grave, gather herself up, and come shake her finger at me.



[Edited 6/24/2014 2:56:33 PM ]

6/24/2014 7:37:11 PM Dinner date attire  

lovessmart
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Quote from beautifulfire08:

@lovesmart:

I don't dress nicely hoping that's what's going to make a guy like me.

You're missing the point.


@lovesmart, and he likely didn't have a reason to have a problem with what she was wearing on their first meet and greet. But this was a first DATE.


There is much more that is entailed in making an effort to show him you like him besides the external. Examples: Calling to confirm, showing up on time, making eye contact, listening, speaking from the heart. Being the person you really are and being approachable, so he may feel open to being himself, not taking yourself too seriously, so he feels free to joke around with you. The list goes on and on, and as far as the external, as long as you are not going against the accepted norm of a venue (and I guarantee you, tee-shirt shorts and flips flops have been commonly seen at the Cheesecake factor), then all the great character, personality, charm and your general likability should be enough.

Trying to get someone to like you, by doing things outside yourself, is not the measure of a person, unless of course you want to be measured by the external. If that's the case, carry on and forget I said anything.

If he wanted her to match his level of dressed upness, he could have said I am going to go a little dressy if that works for you. Instead after the fact he tried to shame her by saying he was disappointed in her attire. That controlling and messed up.

6/24/2014 7:44:30 PM Dinner date attire  

beautifulfire08
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Quote from lovessmart:
There is much more that is entailed in making an effort to show him you like him besides the external. Examples: Calling to confirm, showing up on time, making eye contact, listening, speaking from the heart. Being the person you really are and being approachable, so he may feel open to being himself, not taking yourself too seriously, so he feels free to joke around with you. The list goes on and on, and as far as the external, as long as you are not going against the accepted norm of a venue (and I guarantee you, tee-shirt shorts and flips flops have been commonly seen at the Cheesecake factor), then all the great character, personality, charm and your general likability should be enough.

Trying to get someone to like you, by doing things outside yourself, is not the measure of a person, unless of course you want to be measured by the external. If that's the case, carry on and forget I said anything.

If he wanted her to match his level of dressed upness, he could have said I am going to go a little dressy if that works for you. Instead after the fact he tried to shame her by saying he was disappointed in her attire. That controlling and messed up.


I'm well aware of that. I don't need examples.

He wasn't dressed up. He was dressed appropriately. She was dressed like a slob for the venue, and for the occasion. Nor did he try to "shame" her, IMO.

Nobody said a damned thing about wearing appropriate attire as a means of "trying to get him to LIKE YOU."

Again, you're missing the point.

6/24/2014 7:48:13 PM Dinner date attire  

barrydalmi
Over 10,000 Posts!!! (21,038)
Baltimore, MD
53, joined Dec. 2007


59 Pages. A therapist would have a field day with this thing.

It never is about the "burnt toast" is it....?

Wonderful that big human brain.

6/24/2014 8:23:23 PM Dinner date attire  
sir_hugo_drax
Over 4,000 Posts! (5,270)
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This thread has provided some greater insight into THE PEOPLE OF WALMART, though.



6/24/2014 8:42:15 PM Dinner date attire  

barrydalmi
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Baltimore, MD
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They sure are "comfortable" and "independent"...

6/24/2014 8:43:03 PM Dinner date attire  

machug59
Over 10,000 Posts!!! (18,588)
Fairfield, CA
95, joined Dec. 2011


Oh for crying out loud...



6/24/2014 9:05:11 PM Dinner date attire  
warmwinters
Over 1,000 Posts (1,154)
Toronto, ON
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Well, OP she may have not expected you to dress up. She may have been used to casual attire dating lately.

Although she probably got the hint though, give her another chance.

6/25/2014 8:23:13 PM Dinner date attire  
ladiebugg55
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Redding, CA
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OP, I understand exactly what you are saying..I too would have been disappointed if my date showed up under dressed and looking sloppy or too casual..I've been to a few cheesecake factory restaurants and two out of 5 were actually fancier than the others as was the waitstaff attire..sort of like the differences between the Dennys that are just ordinary and the 50's diner Dennys where the waitstaff has to stop what they are doing on the spot and dance when the jukebox starts playing..it's a Dennys, but defiantly not ordinary.. locals dress in 50's attire dining there and it's mandatory for employees..not all chains are exactly the same, some nicer than others..j/s..




Quote from rdeffley:
1) Never claimed it was 5 star. In fact I say it isn't.

2) So does a restaurant suddenly not count if it has multiple locations? I'm sorry but you really sound like a snob.

Finally I never asked her to wear an evening gown or a c*cktail dress. Simply to get dolled up a little. If a guy asks you out to dinner, I'm hoping you'd take some pride in your appearance. Unless pride is only delegated to restaurants with one location?


6/25/2014 8:26:47 PM Dinner date attire  

frgprnce
Over 7,500 Posts!! (7,915)
Baltimore, MD
52, joined Dec. 2010


Can't believe this is still going...

I don't know...it is still quite hilarious that the OP attempted to manipulate someone he just met into wearing something, she didn't, and she is wrong.



6/25/2014 10:05:33 PM Dinner date attire  
musicdesign
Over 10,000 Posts!!! (14,312)
Moodus, CT
54, joined Apr. 2007


It is still going because people won't stop posting, that's why.

6/26/2014 12:13:05 AM Dinner date attire  
rdeffley
Over 4,000 Posts! (4,158)
San Jose, CA
35, joined Sep. 2009


Quote from lovessmart:
He apparently had no problem with the way she looked on their meet and greet.


Of course I didn't. It was extremely casual and informal being active outdoors. It wasn't a sit down dinner date. As always the point was never about the clothes themselves. It is about the LACK OF EFFORT. Her showing up for a sit down dinner date looking like a slob says "I don't give a shit".

BTW - Why is there only two extremes of slobby casual and evening wear in this running debate? What about a decent middle ground that shows she put a bit of time into getting ready?

6/26/2014 9:27:30 AM Dinner date attire  

eyesofmedusa
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Cairo
Egypt
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Quote from frgprnce:
Can't believe this is still going...

I don't know...it is still quite hilarious that the OP attempted to manipulate someone he just met into wearing something, she didn't, and she is wrong.



And sad how many....refuse to see the attempt at manipulation....


Hi hun

6/26/2014 11:26:13 AM Dinner date attire  
pocahontas026
Irving, TX
29, joined Dec. 2012


Quote from rdeffley:
Not a casual meet/greet. An actual dinner date. Ladies, you'd make an effort to look presentable right?

Had the meet/greet Sun. Went well and ended in a kiss. Called her Mon night and arranged a dinner date for tonight. I wore a nice button up shirt and good pair of pants. She wore an old t-shirt, jean shorts, and sandals like she was going to the beach. I actually felt uncomfortable walking into the restaurant because of how differently we were dressed.

Ironically, the date itself was awesome, and the good night send off was really passionate. But I must admit, what she chose to wear REALLY rubbed me the wrong way.


You would be surprised. Most people just do not know how to dress. Some people just have this all-purpose look and no one else ever said any thing so, they did not think anything of it.

If she honestly did not know but you like her and would like to see her again you might want to tell her that you would prefer if she dressed appropriate for outings. If she gets angry or offended then you two probably would not be a good match.

I live in Texas and a lot of guys out here wear a dress shirt with jeans and flip flops and think they are dressed up while I wore a full gown and we are suppose to be going somewhere fancy it's crazy.



[Edited 6/26/2014 11:26:50 AM ]

6/26/2014 11:32:48 AM Dinner date attire  

lovessmart
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Corona, CA
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Quote from rdeffley:
Of course I didn't. It was extremely casual and informal being active outdoors. It wasn't a sit down dinner date. As always the point was never about the clothes themselves. It is about the LACK OF EFFORT. Her showing up for a sit down dinner date looking like a slob says "I don't give a shit".

BTW - Why is there only two extremes of slobby casual and evening wear in this running debate? What about a decent middle ground that shows she put a bit of time into getting ready?


No it doesn't. You are deciding that. She may have had no idea that you were dress casual and assumed based on your meet and greet outdoors that you were a casual kinda guy. If you can not communicate upfront how you were going to dress for the dinner, then she has no reason to believe it was a necessity to be dressier.

6/26/2014 11:37:16 AM Dinner date attire  

beautifulfire08
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Antioch, TN
58, joined Aug. 2013


Quote from lovessmart:
No it doesn't. You are deciding that. She may have had no idea that you were dress casual and assumed based on your meet and greet outdoors that you were a casual kinda guy. If you can not communicate upfront how you were going to dress for the dinner, then she has no reason to believe it was a necessity to be dressier.
He communicated that to her as best he could, without demanding what she wear. JHC on a runway, what'd he need to do, draw her a freaking map?

6/26/2014 11:38:02 AM Dinner date attire  
cawkasian
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Houston, TX
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Old t-shirt and jean shorts, is not casual either, it's sloppy. If you are going on a date, especially a date at the early on stages...you make an effort, regardless of the location.



[Edited 6/26/2014 11:38:52 AM ]

6/26/2014 11:40:58 AM Dinner date attire  

lilithimagines
Oviedo, FL
44, joined May. 2014


Actually, he DID ask her to wear it:

Quote from rdeffley:

The meet/greet was Sun. I called her Mon night to arrange the date for last night.

In the beginning of the call I said "I bet that dress looks even better in person" to reference what was mentioned on the meet/greet. Then towards the end I asked her to wear it and a great pair of heels. So I was clear and direct on the phone with what I wanted.



[Edited 6/26/2014 11:41:34 AM ]

6/26/2014 11:44:33 AM Dinner date attire  
cawkasian
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Houston, TX
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Asking isn't demanding...

6/26/2014 11:45:42 AM Dinner date attire  

lilithimagines
Oviedo, FL
44, joined May. 2014


Quote from eyesofmedusa:
And sad how many....refuse to see the attempt at manipulation....


Hi hun

Worse. Lol
I would have done the same thing. Lol
Then, he tells her on the phone that he was disappointed she didn't play her part and wear the dress. She hung up on him.
Rofl
And...
he's confused...

6/26/2014 11:46:17 AM Dinner date attire  

lilithimagines
Oviedo, FL
44, joined May. 2014


Quote from cawkasian:
Asking isn't demanding...
His word was 'direct'
Lol
That isn't asking, either.

6/26/2014 11:46:19 AM Dinner date attire  
sir_hugo_drax
Over 4,000 Posts! (5,270)
Big Timber, MT
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Quote from cawkasian:
Old t-shirt and jean shorts, is not casual either, it's sloppy. If you are going on a date, especially a date at the early on stages...you make an effort, regardless of the location.




I don't know why this is so hard to comprehend.

6/26/2014 11:47:11 AM Dinner date attire  
cawkasian
Over 2,000 Posts (3,186)
Houston, TX
49, joined Jun. 2014


His word was 'direct'
Lol
That isn't asking, either.


of course is is

"Can I have a naked photo?" - is both asking and direct.

6/26/2014 11:48:28 AM Dinner date attire  

chadischad
Saint Louis, MO
39, joined May. 2014


Quote from lilithimagines:
His word was 'direct'
Lol
That isn't asking, either.


Will you please give your impulsive habit of putting "lol" after everything you say a break ?

6/26/2014 11:48:48 AM Dinner date attire  

lilithimagines
Oviedo, FL
44, joined May. 2014


Quote from cawkasian:
His word was 'direct'
Lol
That isn't asking, either.


of course is is

"Can I have a naked photo?" - is both asking and direct.

touché!
Missed your posts