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nutsinsuits
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what is the name of that war?
didnt he immediately corrected himself? he was new in international politics,his ignorance messed up everything,he became the most hated person in the world.The politician always prefer to call it "political conflict" or "political crise",they always avoid to name religious even it is inside,but they are so careful,cause a religious conflict has no specific time to stop,it can take hundred years,and it doesnt stop in one nation,it can go from nation to another like a storm,why the top religious men are not leading their nation,under the flag of their religions?
religious leaders always work far away from the politics,only the liberals who are leading their nations,they are more into diplomacy and open for more interests,
if there any religious country,it will ban any who isnt from that religion to get in or to invest with.
the 21st century was and still only for the liberals who fundamentally not religious,they compromise about everything
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nutsinsuits
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@Schloski re: relig. war.
Kosovo immediately came to mind.
Did you not also watch your own Chomsky video from yesterday?
Agreed,KOSOVO was religious,cause it was based on religious cleansing,i dont say there was nothing religious involved ,but not in the amount you did generalised and made it look like EVERYTHING was result of religion.
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chrisbrz
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@Schloski re: relig. war.
Kosovo immediately came to mind.
Did you not also watch your own Chomsky video from yesterday?
We should probably include Chechnya with this as well. Why were they trying to break away?
Because of differences in religion.
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chrisbrz
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Agreed,KOSOVO was religious,cause it was based on religious cleansing,i dont say there was nothing religious involved ,but not in the amount you did generalised and made it look like EVERYTHING was result of religion.
Not true,
I don't make that argument that ALL wars have been religious.
Often times it boils down to stealing resources, or the control of them.
This is something that is a huge factor, especially within our declining empire.
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asanb
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INTERMISSION
While awaiting the next round of discusion, please be entertained by the following Pakistani Rock band. Thank You for your patience...............
OMG Muslim countries have rock music?
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writer1776
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Pershing educated Muslims:
Historically, "Allah’ was not invented by Muhammad or revealed for the first time in the Qur’an. In fact, the word ‘Allah’ was used in Arabia long before Muhammad was born.... There are over fifty reference works that state...that Allah was the Moon-god in pre-Islamic times.... For example, The Dictionary of Non-Classical Mythology states that Allah, ‘originally applied to the moon; he seems to be preceded by Ilmaqah, the moon god...Allat; the female counterpart to Allah.’"3
In the report on the Public School episode in California it is stated that:
"Arabia was a pagan nation that worshipped over 300 gods. One of those was
the moon god named, al-ilah. Legend has it that the moon god mated with the
sun god and had two daughters, both of whom were worshipped as goddesses.
When Muhammad claimed to have had his ‘vision’ and ‘revelation’ from Gabriel
he chose al-ilah as the god to build his army around. Muhammad shortened the name, al-ilah, to Allah, and declared that he alone should be worshipped. He forbade the worship of the daughters.To this day, a crescent moon can be found at the front of every mosque,
acknowledging that Allah was, and is the moon god...." 4
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jim_a49
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Close, but not entirly accurate.
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uniquecover
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^They're not supposed to.
Musical instruments are forbidden to be played in Islaam with the exception of the daff. The closest instruments to the daff are drums - and some scholars put restrictions even on them (that only women can play them and only for special occasions). Lyrics also have to be of good meaning.
Oftentimes when people sing, it's about Islaam or has some message
Examples of singing without instruments.
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jim_a49
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Tabari VI:21
"Qusayy purchased the custodianship of the Ka'aba for a skin full of wine and a lute."
Music and booze for islams holiest site.
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writer1776
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Muslims such as courtesan Soetoro/Obama what's-his-face subject of the royal house of Saud worship earth Elohim manufactured Battlestar or Deathstar Luna and are Lunatics...
When Muhammad claimed to have had his ‘vision’ and ‘revelation’ from Gabriel he chose al-ilah as the god to build his army around. Muhammad shortened the name, al-ilah, to Allah, and declared that he alone should be worshipped. He forbade the worship of the daughters.To this day, a crescent moon can be found at the front of every mosque,
acknowledging that Allah was, and is the moon god...." 4
The Moon is impressive, giving us signs, seasons, tides, light, lighter-than-air anti-grav EMF travel-- this is how Leedskalin built Coral Castle working alone and at night and how Baal-Bek, Pyramids, and Puma-Punkuu were built. Negate earth EMF gravity and Luna will pull anything toward it as we see it do with H2O when tons and tons of heavy water rain clouds float upon the Sea of the Air until anode/cathode circuit is completed. I wish I knew the frequencies as Sol the sun is sinking low and darkness will come when no man will work and only Luna will work... We see it every day...right in or face.
Luna or the Moon is impressive, but I am not so stupid as to worship an idol as a Muslim when I may worship the maker of the Moon and all creation, too.
Big wheel (Constellations in the sky) keep on turning
Proud Mary (Sol the sn) keep on burning
And we're rolling, rolling
Rolling on the river (H2O = H+ H+ O = E = H2O Perfect Memory)
why do all these Princes of the Powers of the air have to speak in code and never reveal exactly how to do what they know how to do... Like Leedskalin, they seek only to irritate and case conflict 'like some stupid with a flag on...burned the place to the ground'.
Oh, well... http://youtu.be/PfMHq64CW9U
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asanb
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@ writer:
The American colonial mission by Pershing under Teddy Roosevelt was not one of the best examples of American diplomacy. The video mentioned "terrorist attacks' by Muslims. the military resistance of the natives was caused by the systematic slaughter, forced conversions and enslavement of the Filipinos. A million plus were killed . Characterizing resistance as "terrorist attacks" is kinda stretching the truth.
And the treatment of the Natives by the American occupiers in the way that the video described WAS Typical.
The American incursion into the Philippines is not a proud chapter in American history.
Publishing this story as a patriotic response to anything is a supreme example of twisting truth for propaganda purposes. It’s like using a poster of Auschwitz to promote a policy on Jewish relations. Beyond decency.
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chrisbrz
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@ writer:
The American colonial mission by Pershing under Teddy Roosevelt was not one of the best examples of American diplomacy. The video mentioned "terrorist attacks' by Muslims. the military resistance of the natives was caused by the systematic slaughter, forced conversions and enslavement of the Filipinos. A million plus were killed . Characterizing resistance as "terrorist attacks" is kinda stretching the truth.
And the treatment of the Natives by the American occupiers in the way that the video described WAS Typical.
The American incursion into the Philippines is not a proud chapter in American history.
Publishing this story as a patriotic response to anything is a supreme example of twisting truth for propaganda purposes. It’s like using a poster of Auschwitz to promote a policy on Jewish relations. Beyond decency.
Yes very good history observation Asanb.
Mark Twain was an extremely vociferous critic of that campain as well.
If I remember the history right, this is the era in America where "wag the dog" was created.
William Randolph Hearst used his near media monopoly to fashion public opinion for a military campain that held little if any, actual ethical merit. Excepting of course in the fictional accounts being propagandized to the American public.
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asanb
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Teddy Roosevelts diplomatic missions and secret treaties with the Japanese created Imperial japan and instigated WWII in the pacific. The phillipenes was just a stop along the way, and the whole thing is based on the creed of "manifest destiny".
Death, persicution and genocide in god's name.
A good subject for another thread.
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asanb
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If I remember the history right, this is the era in America where "wag the dog" was created.
William Randolph Hearst used his near media monopoly to fashion public opinion for a military campain that held little if any, actual ethical merit. Excepting of course in the fictional accounts being propagandized to the American public.
We are still in the era of "wag the Dog" politics, and the tide of public opinion is just as fickle today as then. Look at the events around the stupid assed movie. I sometimes despair for common sense.
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chrisbrz
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We are still in the era of "wag the Dog" politics, and the tide of public opinion is just as fickle today as then. Look at the events around the stupid assed movie. I sometimes despair for common sense.
Absolutely,
Judith Miller of the New York Times should be executed for treason to this nation.
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heymisterchris
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@ writer:
The American colonial mission by Pershing under Teddy Roosevelt was not one of the best examples of American diplomacy. The video mentioned "terrorist attacks' by Muslims. the military resistance of the natives was caused by the systematic slaughter, forced conversions and enslavement of the Filipinos. A million plus were killed . Characterizing resistance as "terrorist attacks" is kinda stretching the truth.
And the treatment of the Natives by the American occupiers in the way that the video described WAS Typical.
The American incursion into the Philippines is not a proud chapter in American history.
Publishing this story as a patriotic response to anything is a supreme example of twisting truth for propaganda purposes. It’s like using a poster of Auschwitz to promote a policy on Jewish relations. Beyond decency.
Much of what you say is true. McKinley's initial response was a "christianization of the Moors" as the Muslims were called back then. This was an attitude that many white imperialistic nations had at that time. This idea was crytalized by Rudyard Kiplings "White Mans Burden". I love "Man Who Would Be King", and "The Young British Soldier" but Kipling was a d*ck by todays standards.
The thing I'm having trouble with is your body count. One million? Most of the accounts that I just read put casualities at about 220,000.
Anyway by the time WWII came around I think Phillipino attitudes about the US had changed. Japanese occupation was a tad bit more brutal than the American occupation of the late 19th century. When it comes to Japanese occupation I would believe those 1 million dead totals. My grandfather was actually in The 182 Infantry Regiment Americal Division and was killed on March 25 1945 clearing the landing beach of Cebu Island of unexploded ordinance under extreme fire, for the amphibious landing to liberate that Island of last hold out Japanese forces.
I was also stationed on three month temporary duty at Subic Bay while permantly stationed at Futemna Airbase on Okinawa while I was a young Marine Lance Corperal. It was a very friendly place, but it did have some dangerous neighborhoods were they did resent the American presence.
Now if you want to talk to me about our complicity and the support of the Marcos Regime to keep those bases open that's another story.
The thing that I find very revealing about The Philippino attitude toward the west is that 80 percent of the population to this day are devout Roman Catholics. A hold over from Spanish occupation but still it says something about what they really thought about the west. They adobted our biggest Christian faith as their own.
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asanb
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@ clarence;
A bit of insomnia has given oportunity to watch the BBC special. It's an important historical piece, and desrves much more exposure. Thx much for posting it.
It is most appearent to me that historicaly, the western intolerance of Islam has far outweighed the intolerance of islamic people for others.
I think that the trend continues with a twist: A people persecuted for long enough retain resentment. Islam has reason to resent,and they do, and it is not just about ancient history. American and European imperialsim in this century has not won any friends in the east. We have created our Islamic enemy and we ignore our responsibility for it, and continue to vilify the culture in disregard for the truth.
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heymisterchris
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I wonder if you were alive in the 1550's in Italy as a Catholic would you have that same attitude about the Muslims. Especially after hearing the Caliphate Mehmed II had just named himself Kayser i Rum, or Caesar Romanus, literally meaning Emperor of Rome while on the adriatic looking for ships to invade.
They ain't no angels. Never had been.
I also find it strange that they've had the largest most lucrative natural resource in human history, and their largest oil producing countries are still poverty striken shitholes filled with illiterate poor people. Is that because of their "resentment"?
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asanb
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They ain't no angels. Never had been.
I never said they were. What matters is that twisting history or ignoring it does not serve to pull the beligerant parties away from increasing conflict. There were facts presented in that video that should earn some respect for Islam as a culture. many are not aware of those facts.
Lack of respect foments beligerance.
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jim_a49
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I never said they were. What matters is that twisting history or ignoring it does not serve to pull the beligerant parties away from increasing conflict. There were facts presented in that video that should earn some respect for Islam as a culture. many are not aware of those facts.
Lack of respect foments beligerance.
respect for Islam is something that they always cry, unfortunatly respect is something that is earned, not freely givin away.
Islam has done nothing in their entire existence that deserves respect.
On the contrary everything was in the opposite direction.
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heymisterchris
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I never said they were. What matters is that twisting history or ignoring it does not serve to pull the beligerant parties away from increasing conflict. There were facts presented in that video that should earn some respect for Islam as a culture. many are not aware of those facts.
Lack of respect foments beligerance.
Would the fact that we've let millions of these muslim people, good people I might add, many of which are my neighbors, into our country to go to school, learn a profession open up a business be "fomenting beligerence"? Muslim, Indian, and other Asian immigrants were widely responsible for the economic comeback of NYC in the 1990's. I love em. Hicksville NY is called Little India on Long Island. I should be called Little Pakistan. This Pakistani Muslims cause no trouble. They work, and live.
Would the fact that we showed them what they could do with that oil they be "fomenting beligerence"? Before we told them what that oil was good for they were using it as lube to butt f**k their sheep.
Would the fact that western technology showed them how to drill for the oil, gave them tankers to ship the oil, gave them a lucritive market to sell their oil be "fomenting beligerence"?
Western civilization through investment in their natural resource has given them one of the biggest cash cows the world has ever seen. Is that "fomenting beligerence"?
Is it our fault that their defective culture is unable to produce a reasonable government that respects it's people? Is it our fault that at times we had to prop up scumbags like the Saudi Royal family because the people couldn't come up with a better government on their own? Is it our fault that the Saudi Royal family was the only stable governing body in that country that we could deal with in purchasing oil? Is it our fault they have been stealing their countries profits for decades? Is it our fault that they choose to keep their people poor, illiterate, and totally ignorant?
I'll tell you who is fomenting beligerence. The scumbags that have created all these poor illiterate and disenfranchised people while pocketing their countries oil procedes. People like the Saudi Royal Family. It is them telling these poor bastards that their plight is America's fault. Blaming the west for all their self induced ill's. That's who's fomenting the real beligerence. Not some stupid movie. Not some french cartoonist.
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jim_a49
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Part of the Islamic brainwashing is to obey your leader as though you were speaking to muhammed himself.
This is where the power structure lies, and it can be overthrown for a new leader, who incidently must be muslim, or you have to kill him.
The leaders also collect 20% of the booty, in this case oil money, for themselves and their families.
This figure was set by muhammed himself, actually it was set by allah, but muhammed explained it.
another monkey wrench, in the case of the Saudi's in that the royal family consists of over 4000 people, so there may be an alteration there.
I remember in Playboy years ago was a Saudi family member in the US, recieved money from home and wrote a reciept,
Recieved, 2 sacks of money.
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heymisterchris
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respect for Islam is something that they always cry, unfortunatly respect is something that is earned, not freely givin away.
Islam has done nothing in their entire existence that deserves respect.
On the contrary everything was in the opposite direction.
I have to agree with you. What has their culture produced? Name me one Muslim in the past 50 years that has won a Noble Peace Prize or made any real sinificant contribution to society.
Islamic sloth is the real problem. Instead of sittin on their a** prayin to Allah they should get involved with the world. Learn something.
I still don't like your hate mongering. It's f**kin bullshit. The real victims ened up being the muslim poor. As a Catholic I can't hate those poor bastards.
Because let me tell you the real horror. If the muslim world doesn't knock it off, and accept the olive branch the west is presenting with rough presentation. That's the only presentation we have when dealing with this part of the world. I'll give you Japan as an examble. If these poor people don't come to reason and see who their real benefactor has always been. That would be the West and our technology. If they don't wake up soon about who the real f**knuts amongst them are. That would be these terrorists and their traditional governments.I'll tell you what will happen.
The day the last barrel of oil is pumped from their lands. The day the last oil barge pulls out they will be left in that desert to eat each other. Eat eachother while the pricks who stole all their money like the Saudi Royals seek asylum in Paris and NY. Because nobody will care about them any more. Without oil the world will have no reason to put up with their shit.
That's why the Arab Spring was so hopeful. That's why we have to be careful as too our resonse in Libya and Tunisia. That's why we have to hope and pray with Irag that even if they do slip into civil war they will imerge with some kind of Islamic Republic. That's why in my opinion we have to stand by Israel and let them deal with Iran on their own in their way. Let them bomb these nuclear targets, and hope that what every body says about the Iranian people is true. That they are naturally pro western and that they will rise up and get rid of these a**hole governing them now and create a democratic Islamic republic.
Having Iraq and Iran as allies and freinds of Israel and the US having them as peaceful democratic Islamic Republics in that area would be huge.
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jim_a49
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actually they gave Yasser arafat the peace prize.
completely destroyed the prize.
Like giving a fox,, a chicken to play with.
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uniquecover
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I have to agree with you. What has their culture produced? Name me one Muslim in the past 50 years that has won a Noble Peace Prize or made any real sinificant contribution to society.
I'm sorry, but when Muslim nations are being attacked you expect us to care about Nobel Peace prizes?!?! LOL.
Islam was in its 'Golden Age' while Europe was in its Dark Ages. 
Because let me tell you the real horror. If the muslim world doesn't knock it off, and accept the olive branch the west is presenting with rough presentation.
Oh, sure, being killed while grabbing the extended the olive branch is an irresistable offer that anybody in their right mind would take!!!! Screw all the oppression, this is just too good to pass up! [/sarcasm].
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heymisterchris
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actually they gave Yasser arafat the peace prize.
completely destroyed the prize.
Like giving a fox,, a chicken to play with.
I forgot about that travesty. With all the billions of world wide aid that has been given the "Palestinians". Each palestinian should be a multi millionaire by now. LOL. Instead of the poor ignorant illiterate professional rock throwers they are.
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heymisterchris
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Quote from Unique:
Screw all the oppression, this is just too good to pass up!
And who would the oppressors be? Who has oppressed poor muslims? The US or rich Muslims? Learn what your talkin about Uniquebimbo.
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jim_a49
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quote from uniquecover
I'm sorry, but when Muslim nations are being attacked you expect us to care about Nobel Peace prizes?!?! LOL.
Islam was in its 'Golden Age' while Europe was in its Dark Ages.
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LOLOLOL
Lyin sack of shit.
Do you even know what "the golden age of islam" even was.
You probably do, but you are a liar, so you will not say.
The golden age of islam was not a height of cultural or spiritual awareness.
It was the height of thievery from Europe.
It was when the muslims invaded Europe on their mission of, Allah ordered, rob, rape, and kill the infidels,
This was a financial boom to Islam, and the slaves brought with created the huge forts and mosques.
It was the events that led up to the crusades.
Islam contrubuted nothing, And I mean absolutly nothing, to humanity.
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uniquecover
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Both, if my rich Muslims you mean the Muslim governments.
If you want to attack me, I would reconsider your angle because I have said on multiple occasions that the Muslim governments suck too. Next, please.
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heymisterchris
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Both, if my rich Muslims you mean the Muslim governments.
If you want to attack me, I would reconsider your angle because I have said on multiple occasions that the Muslim governments suck too. Next, please.
And how are we complicite in this oppression. It's our fault these people can't develope better government. We have always just wanted to by some oil.
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uniquecover
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And how are we complicite in this oppression. It's our fault these people can't develope better government. We have always just wanted to by some oil.
lol, um, let's see.
Giving the Zionists the Muslim land as if they had any claim to it.
America providing billions of dollars to Israel YEARLY.
America in Afghanistan, Iraq (now and before), the very very slow response in Bosnia (just so that they could say later on, "Hey, we helped!"), and no response at all to the Rohingya or the Uyghur Muslim plight (while eager to help remove dictators from other countries because of the political benefits).
And this is just America's response/lack of response relatively recently. Let's not even get into other Western nations.
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writer1776
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@ writer:
The American colonial mission by Pershing under Teddy Roosevelt was not one of the best examples of American diplomacy. The video mentioned "terrorist attacks' by Muslims. the military resistance of the natives was caused by the systematic slaughter, forced conversions and enslavement of the Filipinos. A million plus were killed . Characterizing resistance as "terrorist attacks" is kinda stretching the truth.
And the treatment of the Natives by the American occupiers in the way that the video described WAS Typical.
The American incursion into the Philippines is not a proud chapter in American history.
Publishing this story as a patriotic response to anything is a supreme example of twisting truth for propaganda purposes. It’s like using a poster of Auschwitz to promote a policy on Jewish relations. Beyond decency.
Yes-- nevertheless it is the self evident condition of earth. Nowadays the killing is broad spectrum through fluoride, Rx Vaccine, GMO, HAARP and much I never heard of. War and victory is not decent or propaganda. You will convert to Islam or die-- this mandate will force a Anti-Christ global leader and governance. Muslim Islam will kill you one day if given the chance. None of this is decent or propaganda.
Isa 44:26 That confirmeth the word of his servant, and performeth the counsel of his messengers; that saith to Jerusalem, Thou shalt be inhabited; and to the cities of Judah, Ye shall be built, and I will raise up the decayed places thereof:
Isa 44:27 That saith to the deep, Be dry, and I will dry up thy rivers:
Isa 44:28 That saith of Cyrus, He is my shepherd, and shall perform all my pleasure: even saying to Jerusalem, Thou shalt be built; and to the temple, Thy foundation shall be laid.
Isa 40:22 It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:
Isa 40:23 That bringeth the princes to nothing; he maketh the judges of the earth as vanity.
Isa 40:24 Yea, they shall not be planted; yea, they shall not be sown: yea, their stock shall not take root in the earth: and he shall also blow upon them, and they shall wither, and the whirlwind shall take them away as stubble.
Isa 40:25 To whom then will ye liken me, or shall I be equal? saith the Holy One.
Isa 48:1 Hear ye this, O house of Jacob, which are called by the name of Israel, and are come forth out of the waters of Judah, which swear by the name of the LORD, and make mention of the God of Israel, but not in truth, nor in righteousness.
Isa 48:2 For they call themselves of the holy city, and stay themselves upon the God of Israel; The LORD of hosts is his name.
Isa 48:3 I have declared the former things from the beginning; and they went forth out of my mouth, and I shewed them; I did them suddenly, and they came to pass.
Isa 48:4 Because I knew that thou art obstinate, and thy neck is an iron sinew, and thy brow brass;
Isa 48:5 I have even from the beginning declared it to thee; before it came to pass I shewed it thee: lest thou shouldest say, Mine idol hath done them, and my graven image, and my molten image, hath commanded them.
Isa 48:6 Thou hast heard, see all this; and will not ye declare it? I have shewed thee new things from this time, even hidden things, and thou didst not know them.
Isa 48:7 They are created now, and not from the beginning; even before the day when thou heardest them not; lest thou shouldest say, Behold, I knew them.
Isa 48:8 Yea, thou heardest not; yea, thou knewest not; yea, from that time that thine ear was not opened: for I knew that thou wouldest deal very treacherously, and wast called a transgressor from the womb.
Isa 48:9 For my name's sake will I defer mine anger, and for my praise will I refrain for thee, that I cut thee not off.
Isa 48:10 Behold, I have refined thee, but not with silver; I have chosen thee in the furnace of affliction.
Isa 48:11 For mine own sake, even for mine own sake, will I do it: for how should my name be polluted? and I will not give my glory unto another.
Isa 48:12 Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last.
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jim_a49
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Both, if my rich Muslims you mean the Muslim governments.
If you want to attack me, I would reconsider your angle because I have said on multiple occasions that the Muslim governments suck too. Next, please.
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lolololol
Do you know why they suck.
Because they are defined by islam.
They are constructed by the religion of islam
The are designed by Sharia, the Qur'an, and the sunnah.
why the f**k are you bringing that crap to America.
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heymisterchris
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lol, um, let's see.
Giving the Zionists the Muslim land as if they had any claim to it.
America providing billions of dollars to Israel YEARLY.
America in Afghanistan, Iraq (now and before), the very very slow response in Bosnia (just so that they could say later on, "Hey, we helped!"), and no response at all to the Rohingya or the Uyghur Muslim plight (while eager to help remove dictators from other countries because of the political benefits).
And this is just America's response/lack of response relatively recently. Let's not even get into other Western nations.
So where were european jews to go after the Holocoust? I'm really wanting to here your answer to that one. Why weren't they welcomed back to the Holy Land as long lost sons of Abraham by the arabs. The British gave up their palestinian mandate in favor of the UN mandate creating a partitioned Jewish state. Are you anti UN. It was the arab leaque that invaded.
As far as the billions we give to Israel we also have given to muslim states. Has Israel ever said any muslim nation should be wiped off the face of the earth.
What about you? Do you think they should be wiped off the face of the earth?
As far as Bosnia Rohigya and Uyghur we have no national interests there. They don't supply us with oil. Are you seriously suggesting we take on Burma Turkey China Kazahkstan, Uzbekestan, Afganistan pakistan and were ever else these people live. Get real.
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uniquecover
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So where were european jews to go after the Holocoust? I'm really wanting to here your answer to that one.
Why not force Germany or Poland to give up their land and make room for the Jews? I mean, doesn't it make sense to force the ones who persecuted them in the first place to compensate them with land??
Or if Britain & the United States were so desperate to make a home for the Jews, they should've offered up their own countries.
Why weren't they welcomed back to the Holy Land as long lost sons of Abraham by the arabs.
1.) There were already Jews living in Palestine....along with Christians and Muslims (with the Muslims making up the bulk). And they all lived there peacefully
2.) Just because we share a common ancestor doesn't mean we'll welcome them (ESPECIALLY if they turn out to be the oppressors that they have shown themselves to be in Palestine)
The British gave up their palestinian mandate in favor of the UN mandate creating a partitioned Jewish state. Are you anti UN. It was the arab leaque that invaded.
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1.) Who were the British to give Palestine to someone else?
2.)
a.) Who gave the U.N. the authority to give half of Palestine to the immigrant Jews? How about the U.N. gives more than half of America to the illegal Mexicans and give them a free pass if they start killing off Americans and torturing us.
b.) Western nations themselves do not follow the U.N. - so why expect others to?
As far as the billions we give to Israel we also have given to muslim states. Has Israel ever said any muslim nation should be wiped off the face of the earth.
1.) Name me 1 Muslim country to whom we've given billions of dollars a year (for many years) for military purposes (including making nuclear weapons).
2.) LOL, not only have they said so (i.e. Gaza), they have shown that they are capable of it by committing massacres (Deir Yassin/an-Nakba and the 2009 massacre spring to mind automatically).
Interior Minister Meir Sheetrit said, “We must take a neighborhood in Gaza and wipe it off the map“
What about you? Do you think they should be wiped off the face of the earth?
I think that they should leave the land and go back to where their ancestors came from (whether it be European, African, or Arab countries) about a century ago (or more recently). Either that or accept to live under Muslim rule.
As far as Bosnia Rohigya and Uyghur we have no national interests there. They don't supply us with oil. Are you seriously suggesting we take on Burma Turkey China Kazahkstan, Uzbekestan, Afganistan pakistan and were ever else these people live. Get real.
Oh, I thought one of the purposes of getting rid of Saddam was because he was a dictator who was oppressing his people!!! I thought we were suddenly trying to be saviors of the entire world. But we're only saviors when they have something that we want (or we want to demonize Islaam/Muslims).
Glad you admit it, though. Some people wouldn't say that much.
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jim_a49
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lol, um, let's see.
Giving the Zionists the Muslim land as if they had any claim to it.
America providing billions of dollars to Israel YEARLY.
America in Afghanistan, Iraq (now and before), the very very slow response in Bosnia (just so that they could say later on, "Hey, we helped!"), and no response at all to the Rohingya or the Uyghur Muslim plight (while eager to help remove dictators from other countries because of the political benefits).
And this is just America's response/lack of response relatively recently. Let's not even get into other Western nations.
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I don't see you offering to give Yarhrub back to the jews, as if muslims had any real claim to it.
Remember they stole it after beheading 900 males over puberty, and stealing everything else, including the women.
Remember, Muhammed got one of his wives there, after killing her husband, father anf brother.
Israel was jewish when islam was invented.
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nutsinsuits
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i dont know what happen to "writer" posts,i was going to correct some about what he posted,i didnt where his posts are gone?
there some realy misiformating in what he posts,what he posted is not far from the" orientalists" priests who wrote about islam,they always intentionly,they like to twist anything,and as they are expert of language and its tools,they know how to break things to look not as is it is and make it sound weird.
very true most of Arabs pre-islam were pagans,they worship their own idols,there were tones of gods,each god has mits own name.Ilah or Illah it means or can be transtlated "god" with any specification what sort of god.The Arab Christians,who speak Arabic,they use it in calling Jesus or Holly spirit,also sometime ,they use "Allah",as sometimes they have no other choice to call God on others names except what they hav in Arabic language.
"Allah " as a proper unique name,cannot be transtlated,it's the most preferef name to God and considered the Great name among all others God's name,Which are all still adjectives,describe God character,there are 100 names of God in Arabic and they consider all holly to the muslims.
here they are.
Muslims,dont worship any good moon,muslims use the moon only for the calculation of days and months.this all what i remember
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jim_a49
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uniquecover
Who the f**k were muslims to give what is now palistine to anyone.
Jersuleum was the point of the quiblia befor, what is now islam, and the connection was christian.
The only time muslims had Israel, was when it was taken by force, and both the jews and christians had it befor them.
why do you conveniently omit certian parts of history.
even if it is OK for muslims to raid and steal it, why is it not Ok for the Jews to steal it back.
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winxi
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America providing billions of dollars to Israel YEARLY.
America in Afghanistan, Iraq (now and before), the very very slow response in Bosnia (just so that they could say later on, "Hey, we helped!"), and no response at all to the Rohingya or the Uyghur Muslim plight (while eager to help remove dictators from other countries because of the political benefits).
And this is just America's response/lack of response relatively recently. Let's not even get into other Western nations.
Israel is one of many countries that receive foreign aid from the United States. Note which countries have a majority Muslim population.
Wiki: Countries that receive foreign aid from the U.S.:
Afghanistan
Pakistan
Israel
Iraq
Egypt
Haiti
Ethiopia
Sudan
Colombia
Kenya
Jordan
Mexico
Senegal
West Bank/Gaza
South Africa
Tanzania
Russia Afghanistan
Pakistan
Israel
Iraq
Egypt
Haiti
Ethiopia
Sudan
Colombia
Kenya
Jordan
Mexico
Senegal
West Bank/Gaza
South Africa
Tanzania
Russia
Uganda
Nigeria
Georgia
Mozambique
Congo (Kinshasa)
Indonesia
Zambia
Kazakhstan0
Nigeria
Georgia
Mozambique
Congo (Kinshasa)
Indonesia
Zambia
Kazakhstan
And...we did help Bosnia. Over 100,000 Bosnian refugees came to the U.S. during that time. Right after the massacres in Srebrenica (1993 or 95?), 35,000 Bosnian refugees came to live in St. Louis.
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nutsinsuits
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Israel is one of many countries that receive foreign aid from the United States. Note which countries have a majority Muslim population.
Wiki: Countries that receive foreign aid from the U.S.:
Afghanistan
Pakistan
Israel
Iraq
Egypt
Haiti
Ethiopia
Sudan
Colombia
Kenya
Jordan
Mexico
Senegal
West Bank/Gaza
South Africa
Tanzania
Russia Afghanistan
Pakistan
Israel
Iraq
Egypt
Haiti
Ethiopia
Sudan
Colombia
Kenya
Jordan
Mexico
Senegal
West Bank/Gaza
South Africa
Tanzania
Russia
Uganda
Nigeria
Georgia
Mozambique
Congo (Kinshasa)
Indonesia
Zambia
Kazakhstan0
Nigeria
Georgia
Mozambique
Congo (Kinshasa)
Indonesia
Zambia
Kazakhstan
And...we did help Bosnia. Over 100,000 Bosnian refugees came to the U.S. during that time. Right after the massacres in Srebrenica (1993 or 95?), 35,000 Bosnian refugees came to live in St. Louis.
nations are classified according to the high priority interests
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writer1776
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Thanks for this exploration of Islam. It appears you are Hebrew. To say 'what is' is as vain as man to make 'what is'. What is the propose of Islam in light of Camp David and ending of diaspora ? It is:
Jer 4:7 The lion is come up from his thicket, and the destroyer of the Gentiles is on his way; he is gone forth from his place to make thy land desolate; and thy cities shall be laid waste, without an inhabitant.
re:
In 1942 Allen Dulles was moved to Switzerland for the purpose of rounding up and importing to the United States, German "specialists." Two years before the war ended, or its fate was decided, the United States was making arrangements for Nazi scientists, arms experts to come US.
From 1945 until 1952 the U.S. military brought over 642 alien "specialists", including some scheduled to be hanged by the Nuremberg Trials sch as NASA Dornberger, and their families from nazi Germany. They were known collectively by the code name "paperclip." German missile and rocket experts, munition makers, war experts were carefully selected and located into aerospace programs, war industries, armament factories, defense and warfare manufacturing.
By, bye Gentiles and Age of Nations...
Hello NWO politically correct Space Command and above us only Sky Net ! Muslim blood will run deep as the withers of a horse as they yell Allah-u-Akbar upon the horns of the Mountains of Israel!
'I hope some day you will join us and the world will be...' won...er...uh...'one...'
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uniquecover
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Israel is one of many countries that receive foreign aid from the United States. Note which countries have a majority Muslim population.
Wiki: Countries that receive foreign aid from the U.S.:
And...we did help Bosnia. Over 100,000 Bosnian refugees came to the U.S. during that time. Right after the massacres in Srebrenica (1993 or 95?), 35,000 Bosnian refugees came to live in St. Louis.
1.) In 2008, this is how much was given:
1. Israel $2.4 billion Virtually all of this money is used to buy weapons (up to 75% made in the U.S.). Beginning in 2009, the U.S. plans to give $30 billion over 10 years.
2. Egypt $1.7 billion $1.3 billion to buy weapons; $103 million for education; $74 million for health care; $45 million to promote civic participation and human rights.
3. Pakistan $798 million $330 million for security efforts, including military-equipment upgrades and border security; $20 million for infrastructure.
4. Jordan $688 million $326 million to fight terrorism and promote regional stability through equipment upgrades and training; $163 million cash payment to the Jordanian government.
5. Kenya $586 million $501 million to fight HIV/AIDS through drug treatment and abstinence education and to combat malaria; $15 million for agricultural development; $5.4 million for programs that promote government accountability.
6. South Africa $574 million $557 million to fight TB and HIV/AIDS; $3 million for education.
7. Mexico $551 million Click here for details.
8. Colombia $541 million Click here for details.
9. Nigeria $491 million Click here for details.
10. Sudan $479 million Click here for details.
http://www.parade.com/news/intelligence-report/archive/who-gets-us-foreign-aid.html
2.) Israel constitutes 30% of the total US foreign aid budget, which renders Israel to be the largest recipient of US aid in the world. That tiny country that is not in need in the LEAST gets 30% of our total foreign aid? Why?
http://www.peacenowar.net/Palestine/News/US%20aids.htm
3.)
Pretty alarming video.
4.) Again, the response to the Bosnia crisis was extremely slow. The world needed to have intervened sooner. But no one cares because Muslim blood is cheap. But all praises belong to Allaah - the blood of the Muslims killed is going to be like sweet musk on the Day of Judgment.
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winxi
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These people will disagree with you:
Over 100,000 Bosnian refugees came to the U.S. during that time. Right after the massacres in Srebrenica (1993 or 95?), 35,000 Bosnian refugees came to live in St. Louis.
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writer1776
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Rx vaccine, fluoride, and HLS 9mm target practice establishing one world governance:
These people will disagree with you:
Over 100,000 Bosnian refugees came to the U.S. during that time. Right after the massacres in Srebrenica (1993 or 95?), 35,000 Bosnian refugees came to live in St. Louis.
Pagan view motivating Islam to arms:
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uniquecover
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These people will disagree with you:
Over 100,000 Bosnian refugees came to the U.S. during that time. Right after the massacres in Srebrenica (1993 or 95?), 35,000 Bosnian refugees came to live in St. Louis.
No, most Bosnians (and most Muslims) are furious at the world for not doing anything much sooner when we're all too eager to attack/invade for any other reason. As the saying goes, it was too little, too late. And I'm not saying the U.S. didn't help. If you read my posts closer (and I stated this twice), we were EXTREMELY late in helping while pregnant women had their stomaches sliced open so that they and their babies could both be killed in a gruesome fashion. We were slow to respond while the Serbs were putting people through grinders. But today, if the Palestinians did that to the Israelis, I wonder how fast we'd react? Probably within 10 minutes (and that would be considered atrocious). But as long as it's Muslim people being killed and Muslim land being taken by non-Muslims, it's not that big of a deal, I guess.
"It was also a tragedy that he waited so long to intervene militarily in Bosnia, where the aggressors, the Serbs, and the victims, the Bosnian Muslims and the Croats, were quite clear. Helping the victims in Bosnia was not a shot in the dark; Americans and Europeans knew the leaders of the victims pretty well and could make sensible decisions on whom to help and how."
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/03/08/obama-dont-use-us-force-in-libya.html
(I don't even agree with that article, but this much was true at least).
Broke my heart the first time I saw this documentary. Srebrencia - never forgotten.
May God grant the Muslims worldwide patience, contentment, strength, and victory. Ameen.
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jim_a49
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quote by uniquecover
4.) Again, the response to the Bosnia crisis was extremely slow. The world needed to have intervened sooner. But no one cares because Muslim blood is cheap. But all praises belong to Allaah - the blood of the Muslims killed is going to be like sweet musk on the Day of Judgment.
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LOLOLOL
It is the muslims themselves who cheapen ther own own blood.
If the bosnia thing were to happen today, it is unlikly anyone would interfere.
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jim_a49
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Don't forget, they had to murder their way in, to get there in the first place.
The Battle of Kosovo, also known as the Battle of Kosovo Field or the Battle of Blackbird's Field (Serbian: ???????? ?????, ??? ?? ??????; Kosovska bitka; Boj na Kosovu; Turkish: Kosova Meydan Savasi), took place on St. Vitus' Day, June 15,[A] 1389, between the army led by Serbian Prince Lazar Hrebeljanovic, and the invading army of the Ottoman Empire under the leadership of Sultan Murad I. The army under Prince Lazar consisted of his own troops, a contingent led by Serbian nobleman Vuk Brankovic, and a contingent sent from Bosnia by King Tvrtko I, commanded by Vlatko Vukovic.[1][3] Prince Lazar was the ruler of Moravian Serbia, and the most powerful among the Serbian regional lords of the time, while Vuk Brankovic ruled a part of Kosovo and other areas, recognizing Lazar as his overlord. The Battle of Kosovo took place in the Kosovo Field, about 5 kilometers northwest of modern-day Priština.
Reliable historical accounts of the battle are scarce; however, a critical comparison with historically contemporaneous battles (such as Angora or Nikopolis) enables reliable reconstruction.[2] The bulk of both armies was wiped out in the battle;[1] both Lazar and Murad lost their lives in it. Although Ottomans managed to annihilate the Serbian army, they also suffered high casualties which delayed their progress. Serbs were left with too few men to effectively defend their lands, while the Turks had many more troops in the east. Consequently, the Serbian principalities that were not already Ottoman vassals, one after the other became so in the following years.[1]
The Battle of Kosovo is particularly important to Serbian history, tradition, and national identity.[4]
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asanb
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We have created our Islamic enemy and we ignore our responsibility for it, and continue to vilify the culture in disregard for the truth.
Recent posts confirm this statement.
Did you watch any of the PBS documentaries? Watch them all and then tell me that Islam has not done anything that deserved respect.
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jim_a49
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Quote from asanb
Recent posts confirm this statement.
Did you watch any of the PBS documentaries? Watch them all and then tell me that Islam has not done anything that deserved respect.
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Possably you could mention one of the things, so we could look it up.
You have to realizs that much of Islam's info comes from islam itself, and is not valid.
This is why I stress to mention it, so it can be veridied.
If you follow islam's documentaries, they invented everything from sliced bread, to the neutron bomb.
Naturally all bullshit.
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asanb
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So American Public Broadcasting System is an Islamic organisation?
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heymisterchris
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No, most Bosnians (and most Muslims) are furious at the world for not doing anything much sooner when we're all too eager to attack/invade for any other reason. As the saying goes, it was too little, too late. And I'm not saying the U.S. didn't help. If you read my posts closer (and I stated this twice), we were EXTREMELY late in helping while pregnant women had their stomaches sliced open so that they and their babies could both be killed in a gruesome fashion. We were slow to respond while the Serbs were putting people through grinders. But today, if the Palestinians did that to the Israelis, I wonder how fast we'd react? Probably within 10 minutes (and that would be considered atrocious). But as long as it's Muslim people being killed and Muslim land being taken by non-Muslims, it's not that big of a deal, I guess.
"It was also a tragedy that he waited so long to intervene militarily in Bosnia, where the aggressors, the Serbs, and the victims, the Bosnian Muslims and the Croats, were quite clear. Helping the victims in Bosnia was not a shot in the dark; Americans and Europeans knew the leaders of the victims pretty well and could make sensible decisions on whom to help and how."
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/03/08/obama-dont-use-us-force-in-libya.html
(I don't even agree with that article, but this much was true at least).
Broke my heart the first time I saw this documentary. Srebrencia - never forgotten.
May God grant the Muslims worldwide patience, contentment, strength, and victory. Ameen.
What did the islamic world do for Bosnian Rohingya or Uyghur muslims? Particulary what did the Arab Muslim world do for them? Even more specific what did the nations of OPEC do for them?
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jim_a49
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So American Public Broadcasting System is an Islamic organisation?
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where did you get that information.
i wasn't aware of that, and find it hard to believe.
do you have a source.
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jim_a49
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The reality is that on a public broadcasting station, you can put anything, we even had a guy here in Seattle do hard core porn, leagally.
The point I am making is that islam has claimed for a long time, all of these fantastic things they did and invented, and contrubuted to mankind,
The reality is that none of these things actually came from islam, and usually from some place they just went in a conquered.
Now we are back to square one.
You made a claim.
I want to know something of what you speak,
And we can analize it and see where it actually came from.
PS. muslims don't even do this anymore, as they have had egg in their face to often, but carry on.
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heymisterchris
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Quote from Uniquecover:
1. Israel $2.4 billion Virtually all of this money is used to buy weapons (up to 75% made in the U.S.). Beginning in 2009, the U.S. plans to give $30 billion over 10 years.
Thank God.
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asanb
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Quote from asanb
Recent posts confirm this statement.
Did you watch any of the PBS documentaries? Watch them all and then tell me that Islam has not done anything that deserved respect.
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Possably you could mention one of the things, so we could look it up.
You have to realizs that much of Islam's info comes from islam itself, and is not valid.
This is why I stress to mention it, so it can be veridied.
If you follow islam's documentaries, they invented everything from sliced bread, to the neutron bomb.
Naturally all bullshit.
Jim: The 3 part documentary that I posted on this thread was from PBS, American Public Telivision. The documentary that I started the Thread with is from the History Channel. These are not Islamic organisations, Do you disbelieve them because they present Islamic history in an evenhanded way? did you even look at them?
An old New England proverb: "After spending some time wrestling in the mud with a pig, it dawned on me that the pig enjoyed it".
You cannot posibly be that intransegent.
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heymisterchris
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What did the islamic world do for Bosnian Rohingya or Uyghur muslims? Particulary what did the Arab Muslim world do for them? Even more specific what did the nations of OPEC do for them?
I'm still waiting for my answer. What's a matter cat got your tonque?
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jim_a49
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Quote from asanb
Jim: The 3 part documentary that I posted on this thread was from PBS, American Public Telivision. The documentary that I started the Thread with is from the History Channel. These are not Islamic organisations, Do you disbelieve them because they present Islamic history in an evenhanded way? did you even look at them?
An old New England proverb: "After spending some time wrestling in the mud with a pig, it dawned on me that the pig enjoyed it".
You cannot posibly be that intransegent-
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The problem is that it is more than likly I have seen these, and the pattern works out this way all the time.
I think I mentioned to you the muslim books that i have that are total bullshit, total fantasy, lie after lie.
Just like the book uniquecover wants you to read, not the original, the re-make, stay away fron the original.
I am sick of hearing about them because they are all the same.
I have been into this for 7 years and there is little i have not seen.
This is why i am asking you to provide what you obviousally think are facts, and you are failing to do so.
Another common problem.
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| 9/21/2012 7:27:25 PM |
Islamic Education: Origins of the faith | Page 4 |
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jim_a49
Bellevue, WA
67, joined Dec. 2010
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What page is it on, I will watch it now.
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| 9/21/2012 7:30:55 PM |
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asanb
Sanbornton, NH
61, joined Jul. 2012
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"The reality is that on a public broadcasting station, you can put anything, we even had a guy here in Seattle do hard core porn, leagally."
Jim: I am not talking about "public access" Tv, In talking about the same people who broadcast Sesame Street and Frontline, And Masterpiece Theater. They also have a well respected news division.
Do not tell me that you don't know who they are, you must have been living in a cellar for 20 years..........
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