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jim_a49
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gee,
You just posted my post that pretty much explains it, at the point we were at.
Now all you have to do is read it a few times, and you might understand it.
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xashax
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To which Mr. Chris responded...
Oh that's bullshit. I ask someone who is posted as a woman if she's cute and you accuse her of being a man and you blame me. I would say you inadvertantly acted like an a**hole. Leave me out of it.
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jim_a49
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LOLOLOL
You can post that kind of shit all you want,
He is responding to what you said, not what i said,
LOLOL
remember, I accused nobody. of anything, other than uniquecover being a man.
This is getting way too childish for my tastes.
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| 9/29/2012 5:24:46 PM |
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xashax
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We both agreed that you could not realistically accuse her of being a man when you both don't have photos. How could Mr. Cris have been at fault for anything whatsoever?
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heymisterchris
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Yeah Jim. What she said. Ya big jackass.
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xman7900
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Quote from jim_a49:
There is very clear dialoge in Islamic text, about Islam ever since Adam, not the torah.
Thats what I said.
The jewish laws along with christian, do not apply.
Yes the religion was plagerized from their text, but their text is not valid, and all has been abrogated.
Prove that 2nd statement. Cite scripture from the Qur'an that verifies your claim.
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| 9/29/2012 6:12:04 PM |
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jim_a49
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Obviousally you are both pretty f**kin stupid, or on some kind of drugs.
anyone with half a brain can go back a few pages and see what transpired.
Obviousally mrcriss does not quailify in that department because he blindly believed what you said, and did not go back and read the posts himself, instead shooting off his mouth based on what you said that I said, which was a total lie in the first place.
Then you, asha, fabricated manouvers that just did not take place,
and here again, anyone can go back and read, and see what transpired.
Then you asha, used mainpulated quotes by yourself, and mrchriss, that were not even in the original to start an arguement, I can see why you never married.
Look at the quotes you are using now, they are responces to your fabrications.
They have nothing to do with anything i said, and as you can see, I did not accuse mrcriss of anything but you persist in repeating it.
That is your mental, or drug problem, not mine, and I really do not have to answer to it.
Remember befor you both make complete asses out of yourself, anyone reading this can actually go back and read what happened.
I would suggest you both get an outside neutral person, maybe from your local grade school, and have them read and explain to both of you, what transpired.
Your arguement is childish, and even now. is not even based on what was said.
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jim_a49
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Quote from jim_a49:
There is very clear dialoge in Islamic text, about Islam ever since Adam, not the torah.
Thats what I said.
The jewish laws along with christian, do not apply.
Yes the religion was plagerized from their text, but their text is not valid, and all has been abrogated.
Prove that 2nd statement. Cite scripture from the Qur'an that verifies your claim.
Thr religion was plagerized from christianity, Judism, zoestranism, and greek medical, mainly Galen
and the qur'an is not going to tell you that.
where the f**k do you think the charactors came from,
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xman7900
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Thr religion was plagerized from christianity, Judism, zoestranism, and greek medical, mainly Galen
and the qur'an is not going to tell you that.
where the f**k do you think the charactors came from,
Which "characters" came from Zoroastrianism, and Greek medical(did you mean Greek MYTHOLOGY?)?
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jim_a49
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Which "characters" came from Zoroastrianism, and Greek medical(did you mean Greek MYTHOLOGY?)?
greek medical was not charactors, but rather medical claims.
The Zoe was not charactors either but quotes, and i would have to look them up, and can do it when I get home about 6;30
most of islam can be traced to the surrounding religions, tho it's own twist was added.
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jim_a49
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at this point in history zoestranism was the religion of the persian empire and the joining of the faiths created many similarities and actual plagerized messages.
It would be another couple hundred years befor the Qur'an was writtin, and that is generally accepted to be around the bagdad area in the 9th century
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| 9/29/2012 6:39:24 PM |
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jim_a49
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actually a quick google search brought me to this site you might like for now.
I havn't read it ans will not swear to it's content, but it has a nice graph for basic understanding.
I have no reason to doubt it, though it looks like it is writtin on what the religion of islam is told is true, not what actually is.
http://www.diffen.com/difference/Islam_vs_Zoroastrianism
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| 9/29/2012 6:48:44 PM |
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xman7900
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actually a quick google search brought me to this site you might like for now.
I havn't read it ans will not swear to it's content, but it has a nice graph for basic understanding.
I have no reason to doubt it, though it looks like it is writtin on what the religion of islam is told is true, not what actually is.
http://www.diffen.com/difference/Islam_vs_Zoroastrianism
According to THAT site, Zoroastrianism "greatly influenced Abrahamic religions." (It does PREDATE all 3 of them)
Which is a GIANT can of worms that we MAY not want to open at this present time. 
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jim_a49
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actually that is very possable, there are similarities from Judism that go into several religions of the area.
I an not very studied on that aspect, and I think Iyam is a better source for that.
There are also incidents that are vaguly explained, and not understood, but accounted for, in the Hindu religion.
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| 9/29/2012 6:58:06 PM |
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jim_a49
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Putting these religions into context, most of jusism was writtin between 400BC to 300 AD, though the earlier books have claime to go a thousand years earlier.
However the actual writings pre 600 BC are sparce.
Howvere the jews themselves cannot validate Moses, Abraham, Noah, etc,
These are all pre-writtin record
There is a facinating video however about Moses and mt sini, being in Saudi arabia.
Have you seen it.
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jim_a49
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his video is absolutly worth watching, and probably brings up more questions than answers.
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xman7900
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Putting these religions into context, most of jusism was writtin between 400BC to 300 AD, though the earlier books have claime to go a thousand years earlier.
However the actual writings pre 600 BC are sparce.
Howvere the jews themselves cannot validate Moses, Abraham, Noah, etc,
These are all pre-writtin record
There is a facinating video however about Moses and mt sini, being in Saudi arabia.
Have you seen it.
I've seen a few of several videos on the subject.
All of this is the reason I am agnostic.
However, I DO believe TORAH has the BEST set of moral laws and standards.
Here are the top 5 (in random order) violations of Mitzvot that cause human suffering.
1. Deuteronomy 15:7- Not to deny charity to the poor.
"If there be among you a poor man of one of thy brethren within any of thy gates in thy land which the LORD thy God giveth thee, thou shalt not harden thine heart, nor shut thine hand from thy poor brother"
2. Deuteronomy 24:12- Not keeping a poor man's pledge when he needs it.
"And if the man be poor, thou shalt not sleep with his pledge"
3. Leviticus 19:11- Not stealing.
"Ye shall not steal, neither deal falsely, neither lie one to another"
4. Deuteronomy 19:14- Not fraudulently altering land boundaries / landmarker.
"Thou shalt not remove thy neighbour's landmark, which they of old time have set in thine inheritance, which thou shalt inherit in the land that the LORD thy God giveth thee to possess it"
5. Exodus 20:13- Not murdering a human being.
"Thou shalt not kill."
ZIONIST Israel and America CONTINUES to violate these laws, and wonder why there are so many  people    people.
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jim_a49
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So what
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jim_a49
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We cannot trace any of these to their orgin, and fall in line with the creations of virtually all religions.
You have thinkers, charlatons, inventing catchy phrases and laws.
The laws change as the society evolves, usually the older they are, the more primitive.
Human life is cheap and people are easily led.
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| 9/29/2012 7:25:17 PM |
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jim_a49
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Since you watched the video we can agree that here we have psysical proof of where the moses story came from.
Does it prove it, absolutly not, because there are other factors we are unaware of, and have to think out of the box to even get there.
The story was not writtin in his lifetime, and the pictoral launguage indicates it happened quite a while befor.
But we have a story that was passed down befor it found pen and paper, and cannot be considered accurate.
And as I said there are a multitude of outside influences going on, that are just not put into the equasion, or when they are, they are not understood and simply excused as God.
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xman7900
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Quote from jim_a49:
We cannot trace any of these to their orgin, and fall in line with the creations of virtually all religions.
You have thinkers, charlatons, inventing catchy phrases and laws.
The laws change as the society evolves, usually the older they are, the more primitive.
Human life is cheap and people are easily led.
So why blame one group more than another?
The "keepers" of all 3 Abrahamic faiths use the faith to justify THEIR political aspirations.
The Romans did it(and STILL does), the Hebrews THEMSELVES did when the "Scribes and Pharisees" established their "Oral Traditions", and now Arabs are doing so.
Why do you ONLY blame the Arabs?
Has NOT the U.S. as well as the other European nations, INCLUDING Israel, violated these
top 5 (in random order) violations of Mitzvot that cause human suffering.
1. Deuteronomy 15:7- Not to deny charity to the poor.
"If there be among you a poor man of one of thy brethren within any of thy gates in thy land which the LORD thy God giveth thee, thou shalt not harden thine heart, nor shut thine hand from thy poor brother"
2. Deuteronomy 24:12- Not keeping a poor man's pledge when he needs it.
"And if the man be poor, thou shalt not sleep with his pledge"
3. Leviticus 19:11- Not stealing.
"Ye shall not steal, neither deal falsely, neither lie one to another"
4. Deuteronomy 19:14- Not fraudulently altering land boundaries / landmarker.
"Thou shalt not remove thy neighbour's landmark, which they of old time have set in thine inheritance, which thou shalt inherit in the land that the LORD thy God giveth thee to possess it"
5. Exodus 20:13- Not murdering a human being.
"Thou shalt not kill."
to further the political aspirations of a FEW "keepers" of the faith?
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jim_a49
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Dude you are wasting time and space quoting outdated jewish text,
It has nothing to do with anything here.
This is about Islam and islamic text, and the additude behind it.
Islamic text is valid today
Jewish text is not.
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| 9/29/2012 7:56:10 PM |
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jim_a49
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and I don't blame arabs for anything, I never did.
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xman7900
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Quote from jim_a49:
Islamic text is valid today
Jewish text is not.
Prove that Jewish text is not valid today.
Says who? Is there Jewish scripture to support that claim?
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| 9/29/2012 8:02:37 PM |
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jim_a49
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I mean, can't you stay focused long enough to stay on topic.
This thread is "the orgins of Islam"
All that crap belongs in the thread titled,
The origins of Judism.
Islam itself has a lot of information about it's orgins that are not public, and an even larger amount that just simply is not there.
There is a 100 year black hole from which nothing emerges.
But there are plenty of absurd stories that fill the voids, that are historically and archeologicaly inacurate.
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| 9/29/2012 8:03:15 PM |
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jim_a49
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I am not interested in Jewish text in this thread,
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xman7900
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I am not interested in Jewish text in this thread,
So you can make a claim, but you can't back it up?
Typical.
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| 9/29/2012 9:19:06 PM |
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jim_a49
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So you can make a claim, but you can't back it up?
Typical.
I made a claim that for this post i am not interested in jewish text, and if you flood the pages with jewish text we lose all trax of what we were talking about in the first place;
Now what is the claim, you want backed up.
Please write it down without a page of jewish text or i will just ignore you.
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| 9/29/2012 9:25:16 PM |
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xman7900
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I made a claim that for this post i am not interested in jewish text, and if you flood the pages with jewish text we lose all trax of what we were talking about in the first place;
Now what is the claim, you want backed up.
Please write it down without a page of jewish text or i will just ignore you.
Islamic text is valid today
Jewish text is not.
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| 9/29/2012 9:36:24 PM |
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jim_a49
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There are several verses that say,
Islam cannot change,
Islam is for all time,
here is a quick one, I am not sure of the translation and can get accredited ones, but i am sure you get the point.
Quran 20:14
"Verily, I am Allah. No Ilah (God) may be worshiped but I.
Mohammed/Islam was rejected and persecuted by pagan Quraish and other Arab tribes, pagan Egyptian Kings, Romans (Europeans), Judaism, Christianity, but to counter this rejection, the faithful followers of Mohammed and brilliant scholars like Uthman ibn Affan produced a comprehensive, almost perfect, manual to ensure the survival and spread of Islam in Holy Quran in an antagonistic environment. Almost perfect, because of the Qur'an's exclusivity, no flexibility was possible. Islam cannot flex or change.
Judism on the other hand has evolved.
The jews are a little more intelligent than most of the human species and understand they do not want to live in the 1st century.
They realize the context of when these verses were writtin, and they simlply do not apply in todays society.
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| 9/29/2012 9:39:38 PM |
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jim_a49
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Islam is according to muslims the unchanged, unaltered word from God.
and muslims for the most part are to stipid to actually read the text and see where it really came from...
here is one by some Hot shot.
The quran is the direct word of god, the final revelation. To change any of it makes the whole foundation of the religion collapse like a house of cards. Also it cannot contain even a single mistake, although we know it does but it doesn't affect the faith of the muslims aslong as they don't admit it, we see this behavior every day. But to change it must come from the muslims themselves. How can they change the supposed unalterable word of god to which they must submit unconditionaly without changing the whole meaning of the religion and thus admitting the quran is false? The quran is absolutist. No room for error, interpretation or alternation. To change islam is to annihilate islam
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| 9/29/2012 9:43:38 PM |
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xman7900
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You focused primarily on why Islam is still valid.
But why is Torah no longer valid?
What Jweish scripture supports that claim?
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writer1776
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Jeremiah, Daniel, Ezekiel. Torah is valid until Islam is no more. Ak-ma-Dinner-Jacket, Soetoro/Obama, Putin, and the rest just don't know they are defeated yet.
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jim_a49
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I am not aware of scripture that supports that but as is obviuos in the world today, in fact one of my fishing buddies ia a "reformed jewish Rabbi".
The jews are in the 21st century.
None of them do any of the sick shit in the early writings.
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| 9/29/2012 9:48:01 PM |
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jim_a49
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and if you are obsessed with jewish writings,
start a thread on jewish writings, because I really don't give a rats a** about them.
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chrisbrz
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1.) I'm sorry, do I know you? Because unless you're Jim (and you probably are, since you called me a he), then I can't recall having interactions with you.
And if you are Jim, that's rich considering he's the one who keeps on lying about me and saying I have multiple accounts.
2.) I was sleeping at 2 AM. I don't know why it said I was online.
You can go back to page 25 of the thread and see where the Jim49 troll was caught posting as a female pro.
It appears the Jim49 troll created a female pro with username "nicecathy".
was/is the troll seeking d*ck pics or what?
Pretty gross,
Be on the lookout for strange photo requests and such from this troll entity.
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xashax
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Yeah Jim. What she said. Ya big jackass.
Totally agree Mr.Chris.
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jim_a49
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LOLOL
Thanks for the support,
It got way out of hand, and for no reason.
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uniquecover
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^LOL. Way to try to make this conversation about me. (S)he repeatedly says I'm a male and now (s)he's been caught with another profile (a female one), so I just wanted to point out the irony.
Are you trying to tell me that women can't like sports and be fans of teams?
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chrisbrz
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^LOL. Way to try to make this conversation about me. (S)he repeatedly says I'm a male and now (s)he's been caught with another profile (a female one), so I just wanted to point out the irony.
Are you trying to tell me that women can't like sports and be fans of teams?
The Dochness Serpent may not be qualified to answer questions about human sexes.
It keeps its genitalia under water usually so its difficult to say what sex the beast is.
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jim_a49
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LOL
I got into it with him a while back in another prophile, he ran of and came back with this one.
He will not face me, and is a cronic liar.
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| 9/30/2012 11:08:57 PM |
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jim_a49
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You are listing yourself as "female" on your profile.
For someone who "don't talk unecessarily with the opposite sex", I wonder why the majority of your conversations are with men. This would be contradictory to your culture and could get you in big big trouble.
So which profile are you going to use now?
LOLOLOL
Is he saying I have another prophile.
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heymisterchris
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Totally agree Mr.Chris.
OMG Asha. I've never seen you so bold.
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jim_a49
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OMG Asha. I've never seen you so bold.
I apologize for any missunderstanding.
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uniquecover
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You are listing yourself as "female" on your profile.
For someone who "don't talk unecessarily with the opposite sex", I wonder why the majority of your conversations are with men. This would be contradictory to your culture and could get you in big big trouble.
So which profile are you going to use now?
I don't talk unnecessarily with the opposite gender because of Allaah, not because of people. And if I slip, then I repent to Him...not to people.
Anyways, talking about religion or anything that's related to academics is not included in what is unnecessary. Plus it just so happens that most of the people on the site who talk about the things I'm interested in are male.
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| 9/30/2012 11:47:12 PM |
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xman7900
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Where are you all on the thread topic?
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jim_a49
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Everybody gave up.
The OP posted some propeganda and when forced to,
a one at a time,
lets look at this,
use real info, original data,
Not last years bullshit,
he challenged me, and ran off on the very first presentation,
refusing to answer questions.
His muslim menter didn't even help him.
Unique cover is a cronic liar and will not come out to play for fear of being spanked.
asha started some bullshit that was uncalled for.
The reality is that a muslim cannot make a thread like this, because it will bring out the actual truth, not the one he is told to believe, and they are totally different.
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jim_a49
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when you get into the origins of islam, they are actually a whole lot different than what you are told to believe.
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heymisterchris
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I apologize for any missunderstanding.
Your forgiven. Now go to your room.
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jim_a49
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The problem there is that the Qur'an is not historical.
it is a fabrication from the 9th century with no meaning whatsoever.
It has refferences to events, that are writtin about in the sunnah, yet if you persue these you are likly to be killed.
IE.
The president of Iran just condemd the muhammed film, as portraying muhammed as a womanizer, child molester and murderer.
well, wake up peple, the Qur'an and sunnah, portray muhammed as a womanizer, child molester, and murderer.
How do you deal with that kind of rationalization.
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jim_a49
Bellevue, WA
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And yes, muslims do have slaves and dhimmines,( a non-muslim living on muslim land, who pays an enormus tax to be allowed to live.)
women are for the most part slaves also.
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| 10/1/2012 11:39:48 PM |
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xman7900
Richmond, VA
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You're right, you CAN'T expect a Muslim to compromise whe it comes to the laws and commandments of God.
Bcuz they actually BELIEVE in God, therefore they actually FEAR his wrath for NOT OBEYING the laws and commandments given to Moses.
SOME so called Muslims are NOT actually Muslims bcuz they ADD or SUBTRACT from the ORIGINAL laws given to Moses.
Deuteronomy 12:32 - Not to add to the Mitzvot / commandments of Torah.
What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it.
Those are NOT Muslims.
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| 10/1/2012 11:48:41 PM |
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jim_a49
Bellevue, WA
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The problem with that rational, is what the f**k are muslims.
and who are you to decide.
Sunni, kill shia, because they are not muslims, both kill whabbi and kurds,
all muslim branches kill the others because they are not muslims.
There is no end to it.
So you join whichever group you want, and claim you are a true muslim, and watch out for the others.
All judeo/christian text is not as valid as the muslim text, and the muslim text is constantly abbrogated.
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| 10/1/2012 11:54:58 PM |
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jim_a49
Bellevue, WA
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I see an anology here.
Some people consider the American way of life to not be much better.
It is now considered that Great Britain is the "worst" place to either visit or live due to the crime.
We in America have all the things you mention, only not as extreme (I hope). It would be like the Moslims accusing the President of terrible things. I consider war an atrocity, but the Government still uses it to gain power. I see abortion as an atrocity, but some women in this country think nothng whatsoever of killing their own child(ren).
What would you say if I told you one of our past presidents was a child molester, and it was someone who America thought was a "great" president? Considering the source that I got it from, there is a high probabilty it is true.
The problem is that it is fully documented muhammed was a rapist and child molester.
There is no question to it.
It is even an accepted part of the religion, a 50 year old today, can buy a 9 year old child, and parade her around as a prize and it is 100% legal.
In some places even younger.
Khomenie, the most powerful muslim om the planet in the 70s and 80s, married a 10 year old at 35.
He wrote a book, ( The little green book) in 79, describing the proper way to have sex with a pre-pubersent girl and with with animals.
That is some sick shit, but it is accepted by a nation full of sick people, they even built him a shrine.
Can you imagine the outcry if the pope wrote a book like that.
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| 10/2/2012 12:03:15 AM |
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jim_a49
Bellevue, WA
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Islam also contains lookholes for any relationship to the judeo/christian laws and commandments.
Muhammed himself asserted the bible was corrupted, and not valid, and all islamic laws, later on sharia, are the new ones.
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| 10/2/2012 12:08:51 AM |
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chrisbrz
Wilmette, IL
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| 10/2/2012 12:24:43 AM |
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xman7900
Richmond, VA
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Quote from jim_a49: The problem is that it is fully documented muhammed was a rapist and child molester.
There is no question to it.
It is even an accepted part of the religion, a 50 year old today, can buy a 9 year old child, and parade her around as a prize and it is 100% legal.
In some places even younger.
Khomenie, the most powerful muslim om the planet in the 70s and 80s, married a 10 year old at 35.
He wrote a book, ( The little green book) in 79, describing the proper way to have sex with a pre-pubersent girl and with with animals.
That is some sick shit, but it is accepted by a nation full of sick people, they even built him a shrine.
Can you imagine the outcry if the pope wrote a book like that.
1. It was common in THAT period of time for male and female to have sexual relations and wed at younger ages than we do now.
Remember King Tut was only 18 when he died.
Hell, In 1275, in England, as part of the rape law, a statute, Westminster 1, made it a misdemeanor to "ravish" a "maiden within age," whether with or without her consent. The phrase "within age" was interpreted by jurist Sir Edward Coke as meaning the age of marriage, which at the time was 12 years of age
source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriageable_age
You don't see Muslims walking around with 9 year old wives in 2012.
I see Muslims EVERY SINGLE DAY.
I ALWAYS see couples of the same age range.
2. Obviously IF Muhammad hed sexual relations, or TAUGHT how to have sexual relations with an animal, he would NOT be a Muslim.
If it isn't in the Qur'an, it is of NO LEGITIMATE AUTHORITY, and even IF it WAS in the Qur'an, TORAH is STILL the ULTIMATE AUTHORITY of TRUE ISLAM.
Qur'an, 5:46 - “And in their footsteps we sent Jesus the son of Mary confirming the Law that had come before him. We sent him the Gospel: therein was guidance and light, and confirmation of the Law.”
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| 10/2/2012 7:20:52 AM |
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jim_a49
Bellevue, WA
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Nice excuse, used a lot, but unfortunatly it' bullshit.
Young marrages were common and usually young couples started early, by our standards.
I like women as much as the next guy, but women, not children.
I could not become sexually excited with a 9 year old child, Just would not happen.
That takes a special kind of person, a pedophile.
Making it legal does not mean it is not pedophilia anymore.
Muhammed also lusted after a 2 year old at 63,
we also have certian rules on pre-pubersent sex.
We have a verse where a warrior on a raid refused a child because he thought it not proper.
he was accused of having sex with a dead woman, and from this accusation, some muslim countries have made it legal, of course you have to get it while it is still warm, 6 hours.
One of Islams main founding characteristics is sex, and it comes up in all forms,
Your excuse means nothind
He was also a murderer,
are you going to say, well others murdered, so it's OK.
This guy is supposed to be a holy man, remember.
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| 10/2/2012 7:24:45 AM |
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jim_a49
Bellevue, WA
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LOLOLOL
and where the f**k did you ever get the idea that the torah was the authority on Islam.
Nothing jewish has any authirity in Islam,
Yes, many ideas came from there, but they have no authority.
Many ideas came from christianity, they too have no authority.
And inventing your own idea of what true islam is, will just get you killed over there.
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