No, most Bosnians (and most Muslims) are furious at the world for not doing anything much sooner when we're all too eager to attack/invade for any other reason. As the saying goes, it was too little, too late. And I'm not saying the U.S. didn't help. If you read my posts closer (and I stated this twice), we were EXTREMELY late in helping

1.) Once more, I reiterate that the Muslim governments suck themselves. Specifically the Arab Muslim world? The ones who had people like Qaddafi, Mubarak, and Ben Ali - all of whom have since been outsed (or killed)? Or people like Hafez al-Assad who set the precedent for his son to massacre his own people?

Back then, I don't know if you've heard of the Bosnian mujahideen - but I believe they arrived before the West did. Muslims have done the same for Afghanistan, for Iraq, for Libya, for Syria, for Kosovo, for Kashmir, and for Chechnya among others. Back then, the term 'mujahideen' wasn't considered bad by the West.

And as for the Rohingya or the Uyghurs, all I know is that the Muslims are raising funds for them and raising awareness (they might be doing more, but honestly I don't know what else is being done) - but the Muslim world is spread thinly. People are attacking Muslim nations from all directions (and these people lack the resources that they would otherwise have because of sucky governments) - and for the past year & a half, some people are being directly attacked by their own governments.

2.) You were asking how the West is guilty in oppressing alongside the Muslim governments and I replied. But at least you were honest in saying we don't help others unless there is something in it for us in terms of politics/economics. So I guess there is no where else to go with this conversation because I agree with you (in the last sentence).

So in otherwords the muslim community hasn't done shit.

And you've got the balls to criticize my countries response.

Let me ask you another question. Do you think the Arab Spring would have happened if the US hadn't gone into Iraq?

Also are you saying that my country had no right to go into Afganistan after Bin Laden plotted the 9/11 attacks from within Afganistan with the Talibans help.

Awesome documentary How many else watched the whole thing?

I'm not going to argue with you on these other points.

In my opinion the muslim worlds response to the plight of other muslims is abysmal. If you nthink there not, fine. I would imagine the US has given more aid to help poor muslims than all the muslim OPEC nations combined.

As far as the US going into Afganistan after 9/11 I'm not going to argue that with you either. A deadly terror plot against this country was hatched within the borders of Afganistan by a known terrorist group that had launched a terror attack in Africa. That group, Al Queda, was being protected by the Taliban. What international law can you cite that would prohibit a military response from the attacked country, that being the US, againsts the harboring nation. We did give the Taliban a chance at extradition. They refused.

So let me pose a new question to you. Do you feel the US going into Iraq and toppleing Saddam acted as an engine in the Middle East toward accelerating the Arab Spring?

Islam, a religion of war and hatred. Christianity, a religion of peace and love.

Luke 19:27 (KJV)

27 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.

(peace and blessings of Allaah be upon them both)

1.) Really? What should we make of the Old Testament? There are some pretty violent verses in it. And don't you believe that Jesus (peace be upon him) is a part of God, somehow? So don't you believe that it was Jesus, ultimately, who had the Old Testament revealed?

2.) The Qur'aan says this,

And We have sent you (O Muhammad SAW) not but as a mercy for the 'Alamin (mankind, jinns and all that exists). (Al-Anbiya 21:107)

‘Umar ibn al-Khattaab said, “Some prisoners were brought to the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), and there was a woman among the prisoners who was searching (for her child). When she found her child she embraced him and put him to her breast. The Messenger of Allaah said to us, ‘Do you think that this woman would throw her child in the fire?’ We said, ‘No, by Allaah, not if she is able not to.’ The Messenger of Allaah said, ‘Allaah is more merciful to His slaves than this woman is to her child.’” Agreed upon. Al-Bukhaari, 5653; Muslim, 6912.

In Saheeh al-Bukhaari (7554) it is narrated from Abu Hurayrah (may Allaah be pleased with him) that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Allaah wrote a document before He created the universe: My Mercy prevails over My wrath, and it is written with Him above the Throne.”



Verily, there has come unto you a Messenger (Muhammad SAW) from amongst yourselves (i.e. whom you know well). It grieves him that you should receive any injury or difficulty. He (Muhammad SAW) is anxious over you (to be rightly guided, to repent to Allah, and beg Him to pardon and forgive your sins, in order that you may enter Paradise and be saved from the punishment of the Hell-fire), for the believers (he SAW is) full of pity, kind, and merciful. (At-Tawbah 9:128)




And there are so many other examples. You should perhaps try reading the Qur'aan and the authentic sunnah. Islaam is a healthy balance of love, fear, and hope in Allaah.

Very good JIM

Uniquecover, does it bother you that the "prophet" Mohammed spent his entire career raiding other villages, killing and enslaving people? Does it bother you that he made a lot of money selling those slaves? Does it bother you that he slaughtered so many people, including Jews and Christians, who refused to believe in Him? Does it bother you that he had, in his harem, a nine-year-old girl? Doesn't that make him a pedophile?

I visited Allaah's Messenger and he was lying on a mat. I sat down and he drew up his lower garment over him and he had nothing (else) over him, and that the mat had left its marks on his sides. I looked with my eyes in the storeroom of Allaah's Messenger. I found only a handful of barley equal to one sa' and an equal quantity of the leaves of Mimosa Flava placed in the nook of the cell, and a semi-tanned leather bag hanging (in one side), and I was moved to tears (on seeing this extremely austere living of the Holy Prophet), and he said: Ibn Khattab, what wakes you weep?

I said: Apostle of Allah, why should I not shed tears? This mat has left its marks on your sides and I do not see in your storeroom (except these few things) that I have seen; Caesar and Chosroes are leading their lives in plenty whereas you are Allah's Messenger. His chosen one, and that is your store! He said: Ibn Khattab, aren't you satisfied that for us (there should be the prosperity) of the Hereafter, and for them (there should be the prosperity of) this world? I said: Yes.

Actually it was a pretty poor response and it's obvious why (Christians believe God revealed the Old Testament to Moses - and they also believe that Jesus is God, son of God, one in three, whatever it is. It doesn't take a genius to assume that Jesus is the one who revealed the Old Testament according to Christians).

But beyond that, the only thing I will say in response to his post is that I'm not afraid of answering him. He's in way over his head. And that's not saying much because I'm not all that knowledgable on Islaam. I just know what every Muslim SHOULD know, but unfortunately many don't. But I will spread what I do know because we are to teach Islaam to others even if it's just one small verse in the Qur'aan.

I don't answer him because

a.) there were a few conditions laid down when I first came onto this site in order for me to discuss Islaam with anybody. He even agreed to it!!!! But his impatience got the better of him and he decided to breach the conditions (as I had guessed he would and even stated that *when* he relapses, I'd block him) so I blocked him and

b.) apparently he doesn't get the hint and continues to stalk me.

Saheeh Muslim Book 009, Number 3507

3.) Slaves were acquired through war, so yes, slavery is allowed in Islaam. But a.) He told his people that the expiation for several types of sins is to set them free b.) the treatment of slaves is utterly different than how the West treated their slaves (can't overburden them and are encouraged to help them in their tasks, have to feed them what you eat & when you eat, have to clothe them with what you wear, etc) c.) slaves could earn their freedom.

4.) He also gave protection to the Jews and the Christians who paid the jizyah (and guaranteed their freedom of religion).

5.) I've said this many times before, but our criteria for being an adult is to reach the age of puberty. Aaishah (may Allaah be pleased with her) reached the age of puberty when they consummated the marriage. Therefore, she was an adult. The world does not revolve around the concept that the ages of 16 or 18 are when people become adults - not even the Western world agrees on when someone is an adult.

Islam, a religion of war and hatred. Christianity, a religion of peace and love. "Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, do I give unto you..." --Jesus (John 14:27) Did Mohammed ever talk this way?

"Do not envy one another; do not hate one another; do not turn away from another; and do not undercut one another, but be you. O servants of Allah, brothers."

"Verily, Allah is Graceful and He loves Grace. Pride is disdaining the truth (out of self-conceit) and contempt for the people."

“Whoever loves to meet Allah, Allah loves to meet him.”

“Verily, Allah is compassionate and is fond of compassion, and He gives to the compassionate what He does not give to the harsh.”


Yes, and with just as much love, and speaking the words from the same author; the god that resides in the heart of every human being, and also in the heart of the Muslims you condemn.

Your obvious bigotry is something Jesus would condemn.

It would bother me if it were true, and my research tells me that it isn't.


"You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do. "

“The world holds two classes of men: intelligent men without religion, and religious men without intelligence”

I posted A LOT of material from multiple professional, academic, non islamic and respected sources that contradict your statements. Did you even bother to look at any of it?
The only places that support this crap are the Hate sites that twist the truth to fit their twisted brand of unchristianity.

Lowell: If all you can do when you post here is to repeat the same hate filled crap over and over, don't bother to post, I will block you from this thread. I don't mind hearing the message once, but it seems to be all you have. Expand your posts. Watch the documentaries from PBS and read up on someone elses news/ opinion/ facts. You seem to have a very narrow focus

Now we are getting someplace,
what did you research to tell you that that did not happen.

The only accurate place to search is ishaq, Taburi, Bukhari, and muslim.

Why?
I can't depend on the work of respected institutions and acedemics as a reliable source?
Do I really have to become an expert on early Islamic texts to tell me what common sense, logic and decency tell me, that is that you and Lowell are posting unreasoned, illogical and unfounded information?

I don't think so.