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xashax
Union, NH
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So can we start calling you she now cause we cant tell either?
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| 9/29/2012 10:25:13 AM |
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jim_a49
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You can call me what ever you like.
I have been called so much here it is laughable now.
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| 9/29/2012 10:58:06 AM |
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ludlowlowell
Panama City, FL
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Notice that Uniquecover, male or female, did not address the fact that Mohammed had a nine-year-old "wife". Notice that he or she danced around that one.
Islam, a religion of war and hatred. Christianity, a religion of love and peace.
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| 9/29/2012 11:19:55 AM |
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jim_a49
Bellevue, WA
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He/She will dance around them all.
The reality, that people without any knowledge of islam, and are not aware of, is that muhammed is not in the Qur'an.
Muslims are told, read the Qur'an you brainwashed moron.
Read it, because it cannot possably be understood, and the clerics and uniquecover will tell you what it really means.
Islam is fully documented, and I stress, that does not make it true, on the contrary, it's documentation is virtually 100% bullshit, but it is the documentation they are ordered to believe without question, as being true.
And Muhammed was "One sick puppy".
Now they are trying to eliminate his history, from the books, but you cannot just erase the person the religion was writtin around.
Try taking Jesus out of Christianity,
But the muhammed charactor, in Islam, by it's own writings, is arguably the biggest piece of pig shit that ever walked the planet.
But they have to hide this, so they are inventing a new one, to take his place.
You will notice in any questions about muhammed, he/she, will tell you a story, but will not direct you to a source of info, of where he/she got the story, and if cornered and forced to release that info, will direct you to a book writtin last year, staying as far as possable from the only actual source.
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| 9/29/2012 11:55:09 AM |
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uniquecover
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Okay,
I see I had conflated you Unique with Angelique, pardonMWwahZ  .
lol, no problem
But as far as the Tyson speech, first of all I'm glad you watched it.
Dr. Tyson is agnostic .
I had an entirely different interpretation than you get from that speech oddly.
I know, but to mention Jews getting so many Nobel Peace Prizes actually does anything but prove his point.
I've watched it many times I know it pretty well. I don't feel he hates Islam or any other religion. But as a scientist he's railing about what happens when the scientist gives up and invokes intelligent design/creator/deity, etc.
That's god of the gaps......filling in God to account for what we don't have knowledge about, saying it mustve been God that did it.
He walks us through many examples of when this happens through history. Did you listen to the story about Newton and then later the French scientist Lapalce(spelling?) Who tells Napolean "I have no need of God in that hypothesis"?
He's saying Newton could've easily solved those problems 200 years earlier if he hadn't invoked intelligent design. That's the danger, when critical thinking ends and science resorts to God of the gaps , that's when society, innovation, learning collapses......its not a unique argument against Islam per se.
I'm glad you watched the speech but urge you to eventually give it a second look one day, its not a hate speech. Tyson actually also makes the point its happening here today in the U.S. as well. Remember the Billboard example.
Were declining out of that naming rights generation because we have vast swaths of southern states that have abandoned science curriculums.
Ensuring future generations of idiots like the ones you find in the hillbilly thread(bald D*cks) i was criticizing earlier. . 
I understood his point about how if we just say everything is a miracle (which it is, but that doesn't mean we should stop researching it), we don't get anywhere.
But how he applies it to Islaam is not something I understand. Islaam encourages us to gain knowledge.
In fact, it's so important that after the Muslims won the Battle of Badr during the Prophet's (peace & blessings of Allaah be upon him) time, they would make the price for the ransom of some prisoners (of war) be in the form of education. If the prisoner taught 10 children how to read and write, the prisoner would be freed.
The first verse to be revealed to the Prophet was
“Read! In the Name of your Lord Who has created (all that exists).
He has created man from a clot (a piece of thick coagulated blood).
Read! And your Lord is the Most Generous.
Who has taught (the writing) by the pen.
He has taught man that which he knew not”
[al-‘Alaq 96:1-5]
Humans are superior to the angels through knowledge (the condition being that they have faith in Allaah) - hence Allaah commanding the angels to prostrate to Adam (peace be upon him).
However, Allaah does command us to leave knowledge that is not beneficial (and some say that this means anything that does not make us marvel & cry at God's power & strength). And the best form of knowledge for the Muslims is knowledge of Allaah and the religion.
To say that Islaam causes people to not want to further their knowledge/education is wrong. Scholars would travel for months just to get one narration about the Prophet Muhammad (peace & blessings of Allaah be upon him) before the invention of faster means of transportation.
To assume that the Muslims during the time period he was referring to did not say that everything happened because of God is also wrong. We have always and will always say that; it doesn't prevent us from researching further (unless it is something that is of the unseen world like the Jinn or the Angels or aspects of God Himself). Regarding those things, we just affirm what God has said and leave it alone. For instance, God tells us that He rose over the Throne. We don't ask how He rose, because that is and always will be unknown to us. But we know that He did. Similarly, we know He has a Face. But we don't know what His Face looks like because He is unlike His creation.
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uniquecover
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Notice that Uniquecover, male or female, did not address the fact that Mohammed had a nine-year-old "wife". Notice that he or she danced around that one.
Islam, a religion of war and hatred. Christianity, a religion of love and peace.
Notice that you just say something and never check the thread again.
I've already answered your points. Not my fault that you don't follow up. Go through my posts if you want, I'm tired of repeating the same stuff to you over and over agian.
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ludlowlowell
Panama City, FL
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Uniquecover, let me ask you this--if a guy showed up on your doorstep claiming to be a prophet from God who wanted to take your nine-year-old daughter and add her to his harem, would you consider that person to be a prophet? Or would you call the police on the dude?
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prophetic774
Winter Haven, FL
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JESUS COMMANDS, “LOVE ONE ANOTHER JUST AS I HAVE LOVED YOU!”
Jesus commanded his disciples many times to obey the OT command “To **LOVE** your neighbor as yourself” and on the day before his atonement Jesus added a NEW command “To **LOVE** one another as I have **LOVED** you” and this was just one day before he laid down His life for His friends.
John 13:34: Jesus says, “A **NEW** command I give you: **LOVE** one another as I have **LOVED** you so you MUST **LOVE** one another. By this all men will know that you are My disciples!!”
John 15:9-14: “As the Father has loved Me, so I have loved you. Now remain in My **LOVE**. **IF** you obey My commands, you will remain in My **LOVE**,,, My command is this:**LOVE** each other **AS I HAVE LOVED YOU**!!. Greater **LOVE** has no one than this, that he lay down his life for his friends. You are My friends **IF** you do what I command!”
Jesus commands, "Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. If someone strikes you on one cheek, turn to him the other also!!" Luke 6:27-29 Those who follow the commands of Jesus would never even think of joining any army and becoming a professional killer!
James 5:12: Above all, my brothers, do not swear--not by heaven or by earth or by anything else.{Read Matthew 5:33-37} Let your "Yes" be yes, and your "No," no, or you will be condemned! When you join an army you make a Satanic oath that you will obey all the commands of your commanding officer even if he tells you you to drop an atomic bomb on a city which may kill 100,000 civilians including about 25,000 children!!!
II Corinthians 10:3,4: "For though we live in the world, we do not wage war as the world does. The weapons we fight with are not the weapons of the world. On the contrary, they have the power to demolish strongholds" The only weapon we may use is the Sword of the Spirit which is the Word of God!
Ephesians 3:16-19: “I pray that out of His glorious riches He may strengthen you with power through His Spirit in your inner being, so that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith. And I pray that you, being rooted and established in **LOVE**, may have power, together with all the saints, to grasp how wide and long and high and deep is the **LOVE** of Christ, and to know this **LOVE** that surpasses knowledge—that you may be filled to the measure of all the fullness of God!!”
I Peter 1:22,23: "Now that you have purified yourselves by obeying the Truth so that you have sincere **LOVE** for your brothers, **LOVE** one another deeply, from the heart. For you have been born again through the living and enduring Word of God.”
God's Word further explains what this new **LOVE** is like in I Corinthians 13:2,4-8: If I have a faith that can move mountains, but have not **LOVE** I am nothing...**LOVE** is patient, **LOVE** is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. **LOVE** does not delight in evil but rejoices with the Truth. It always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. **LOVE** never fails!!"
John 14:23: Jesus says, “If anyone **LOVES** Me, he will obey My teaching, My Father will **LOVE** him, and We will make Our home with him.” He who does not **LOVE** Me will not obey My teaching.”
I John 2:3-5: “We know that we have come to know Him {Jesus} **IF** we obey His commands. The man who says, “I know Him,” but does not do what He commands is a liar, and the Truth is not in him. But if anyone obeys His Word, God's **LOVE** is truly made complete in him!!”
Matthew 28:19.20” Jesus commands, “Go and make disciples of all nations... teaching them to *OBEY EVERYTHING* I have commanded you!” {See I John 2:3-5}
EVERYTHING would also include all the other commands in God's inspired Word from Acts to Revelation as per 2 Timothy 3:16: 4:2: "All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work...Preach the Word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage--with great patience and careful instruction.”
Ephesians 4:15,16: “Speaking the Truth **IN LOVE**, we will in all things grow up into Him who is the Head, that is, Christ! From Him the whole body, joined and held together by every supporting ligament, grows and builds itself up ***IN LOVE***, as each part does its work!”
If we really **LOVE** our brothers and sisters in Christ we will lovingly teach them to obey all the approximately 400 commands of the NT with **LOVE** in the hope of countless eternal rewards when Jesus comes with great power with all His angels.
Revelation 22:12: Jesus says,"Behold, I am coming soon! My reward is with Me, and I will give to everyone according to what he has done!?”
Matthew 16:27: Jesus says, For the Son of Man is going to come in His **FATHER'S GLORY WITH HIS ANGELS**{See Matt 24:30,31; 25:31-40 & 2 Thess 1:6-10}, and **THEN** He will reward each person according to what he has done."
Daniel 12:3: "Those who impart wisdom will shine like the brightness of the heavens, and those who lead many to righteousness, like the stars for ever and ever!"
Jesus says in Rev 2:17; 3:4, 5, 21: “To him who overcomes...I will give a white stone with a new name written on it, known only to him who receives it.....He will walk with Me for he is worthy... I will acknowledge his name before My Father and His angels.... I will write on him the name of My God and the name of the city of My God, the New Jerusalem.....I will write on him my New Name... and I will give him the right to sit with Me on My throne, just as I overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.”
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writer1776
Tucson, AZ
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Roman Centurion Cornelius split skulls and had greater faith than any other seen...
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xman7900
Richmond, VA
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Did you know that
REAL Muslims believe, just as Christians do, that it is Jesus (Isa in Arabic), who will return to defeat al-Masih ad-Dajjal (the false Messiah a.k.a. the Anti Christ)
In Islam, Jesus (Isa; Arabic: ????? ?Isa) is considered to be a Messenger of God and the Masih (Messiah) who was sent to guide the Children of Israel (bani isra'il) with a new scripture, the Injil or Gospel. The belief in Jesus (and all other messengers of God) is required in Islam, and a requirement of being a Muslim. The Quran mentions Jesus twenty-five times, more often, by name, than Muhammad.
source: http://www.oxfordislamicstudies.com/article/opr/t125/e1196
http://www.islam101.com/history/people/prophets/jesus/christ_in_islam2.htm
According to Islamic tradition which describes this graphically, Jesus' descent will be in the midst of wars fought by the Mahdi (lit. "the rightly guided one"), known in Islamic eschatology as the redeemer of Islam, against the Antichrist (al-Masih ad-Dajjal, "False messiah") and his followers. Jesus will descend at the point of a white arcade, east of Damascus, dressed in yellow robes – his head anointed. He will then join the Mahdi in his war against the Antichrist. Jesus, considered as a Muslim, will abide by the Islamic teachings. Eventually, Jesus will slay the Antichrist, and then everyone from the People of the Book (ahl al-kitab, referring to Jews and Christians) will believe in him. Thus, there will be one community, that of Islam.
source: Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 3, Book 43: Kitab-ul-`Ilm (Book of Knowledge), Hâdith Number 656:
Narrated Abu Hurairah: Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established until the son of Mary (i.e. Jesus) descends amongst you as a just ruler, he will break the cross, kill the pigs, and abolish the Jizya tax. Money will be in abundance so that nobody will accept it (as charitable gifts)"
—Collected by Muhammad al-Bukhari, Sahih al-Bukhari
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| 9/29/2012 1:47:26 PM |
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jim_a49
Bellevue, WA
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LOLOL
might want to add in when that was writtin,
Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 3, Book 43: Kitab-ul-`Ilm (Book of Knowledge), Hâdith Number 656:
This is in the period when Islam is developing their religion, and The prophets of the OT and NT are very important to make the connection, in an attempt to overule christianity.
Lets not forget also that in Islam, Jesus is also a muslim at a time when muslims did not exist.
we also have to realize that at the time of jesus, the arabs were almost 100% illiterate and the muslims had absolutly no way to document jesus in the first place
Just like the others they talk about, moses, abraham, adam, mary, etc,
they were all muslims.LOL
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| 9/29/2012 2:34:14 PM |
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xman7900
Richmond, VA
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Quote from jim_a49: LOLOL
might want to add in when that was writtin,
Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 3, Book 43: Kitab-ul-`Ilm (Book of Knowledge), Hâdith Number 656:
This is in the period when Islam is developing their religion, and The prophets of the OT and NT are very important to make the connection, in an attempt to overule christianity.
Lets not forget also that in Islam, Jesus is also a muslim at a time when muslims did not exist.
we also have to realize that at the time of jesus, the arabs were almost 100% illiterate and the muslims had absolutly no way to document jesus in the first place
Just like the others they talk about, moses, abraham, adam, mary, etc,
they were all muslims.LOL
What most unbelievers, including YOU, don't REALLY comprehend is, that ISLAM literally means SUBMISSION. That is why Abraham, Noah, Moses, Mary, etc are considered Muslims.
Even if they did NOT know TORAH (as was the case with Abraham and Noah), they SUBMITTED to GOD'S WILL.
I guess you're too busy analyzing Islamic scritpure to actually COMPREHEND the word's MEANING.
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jim_a49
Bellevue, WA
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That's correct.
They are philosophers, and the meaning is irrelavant to those who know it is philosophy and not factual.
I am more interested in the factual aspects.
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| 9/29/2012 2:43:17 PM |
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jim_a49
Bellevue, WA
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And no, they are considered muslims because they practiced the islamic faith of the time, according to Islam, however when these people were supposidly around, there was no Islamic faith, and no muslims. It simply did not exist.
Remember, Allah taught Adam and Muhammed to read and write clasical Arabic, however the language was not invented untill the 9th century.
The religion of islam destroys itself, but was sufficient in the 9th century when illiterate people were told, believe this or we will kill you, the same thing thay are told today.
Do you honestly thing people would join Islam, if they were told the real story.
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| 9/29/2012 3:11:12 PM |
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xman7900
Richmond, VA
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Quote from jim_a49:
That's correct.
They are philosophers, and the meaning is irrelavant to those who know it is philosophy and not factual.
I am more interested in the factual aspects.
I'll give you credit, thats partially true.
There HAVE been alterations to TRUE Islam in it's ARABIC form.
For example,
Torah did NOT permit the severing of the hands of thieves.
They are to simply RETURN or REPAY the value of what they have stolen.
However, in Saudi Arabia theives have their hands cut off.
That is NOT TRUE ISLAM.
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jim_a49
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Unfortunatly muhammed used mulitilation as a form of punishment since its invention, lots of mulitilation, and tortures.
It is true Islam, in every sence of the word, and to assign it later for a specific punnishment is not a violation of Islam, just a change in how it is being applied.
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| 9/29/2012 3:27:43 PM |
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jim_a49
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And Islam in it's arabic form still exists, except for the Sira.
The original no longer exists, but was edited and abbridged, and 4/5th of it removed because of "matters that would distress people"
What was left was re-writtin 60 years later by Ibn Hishim.
Fortunatly much of the original survived in Taburi, the nest of the Sunnah.
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| 9/29/2012 3:35:27 PM |
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jim_a49
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The earliest fragments of the Qur'an date to around 725, 100 years after they were supposed to be around.
The qur'an of today, the one the muslims say came from God, word for word, unchanged, unaltered, is from the 9th century.
It is wrongly dated 7th century.
but, believe it or we will kill you.
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| 9/29/2012 3:45:40 PM |
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jim_a49
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The first time in recorded history Muhammed even comes up, is 60 years after te fact,
In fact the people who were supposed to be muslims, according to islam, were still stamping coins with the cross on them.
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heymisterchris
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Still some some tight races going deep into September.
What a Baseball season we've had!
Yes. See ya over in sports group.
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| 9/29/2012 4:07:09 PM |
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heymisterchris
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You said page 26 and that's where I located your post. Mr.Chris was asking you to confirm if UC was male or female so don't try to blame it on him now.
Is he blaming me for that shit.
Hey f**k you Jim.
Your the one in this thread who said she was a dude.
Own up to your own bullshit.
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| 9/29/2012 4:08:26 PM |
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xashax
Union, NH
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No he did later on. He's still calling her a man though as if that matters. 
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| 9/29/2012 4:18:34 PM |
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jim_a49
Bellevue, WA
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Is he blaming me for that shit.
Hey f**k you Jim.
Your the one in this thread who said she was a dude.
Own up to your own bullshit.
You might want to read what was said befor you say anything
I didn't blame you for anything, in fact i cleared you.
But f**k you back.
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| 9/29/2012 4:21:20 PM |
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xashax
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No No No
I am not blaming anyone, I am the one who said it at the first chance it came up.
Mrchriss has no fault here.
He inadvertantly brought up the topic, and I entered the discussion.
This is all on me.
Bull.
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jim_a49
Bellevue, WA
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No No No
I am not blaming anyone, I am the one who said it at the first chance it came up.
Mrchriss has no fault here.
He inadvertantly brought up the topic, and I entered the discussion.
This is all on me.
Might want to actually read shit befor you open your mouth
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| 9/29/2012 4:23:31 PM |
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xashax
Union, NH
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You said page 26 and that's where I located your post. Mr.Chris was asking you to confirm if UC was male or female so don't try to blame it on him now.
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jim_a49
Bellevue, WA
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Bull.
why bull, if you read befoe you will see if he asked him if she was cute.
I just warned him it was really a man.
He said nothing wrong and I clarified it.
It is all in writing right there.
I have no ides wtf you are trying to present.
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| 9/29/2012 4:25:37 PM |
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xashax
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That was your apology after I had located your post bringing it up in page 26. Mr. Chris had merely asked you to confirm if she was male or female.
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| 9/29/2012 4:25:54 PM |
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xman7900
Richmond, VA
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Quote from jim_a49 Unfortunatly muhammed used mulitilation as a form of punishment since its invention, lots of mulitilation, and tortures.
It is true Islam, in every sence of the word, and to assign it later for a specific punnishment is not a violation of Islam, just a change in how it is being applied.
TRUE ISLAM is OBEDIENCE to TORAH AS GIVEN TO MOSES BY GOD.
Qur'an simply confirms that.
What I meant about the alterations, was that Torah had once AGAIN been ALTERED (as the Hebrews had done before with the Scribes and Pharisees' "ORAL TRADITION"), this time by Arabs.
And Islam in it's arabic form still exists, except for the Sira.
The original no longer exists.
You OBVIOUSLY don't get it.
1. SUBMISSION to God's will (ISLAM), has existed since Adam and Eve.
God's VERY FIRST command was
Genesis 1:28
King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
"Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth."
Qur'an simply confirms that.
2. God gave COMMANDS not RELIGION.
Either you SUBMIT to God's COMMANDS or you OPPOSE God's COMMANDS.
If you SUBMIT, you are a Jew, Christian, or MUSLIM.
If you OPPOSE, you are Satan (Hebrew: ????????? ha-Satan), "the opposer", is the title of various entities, both human and divine, who challenge the faith of humans in the Hebrew Bible.
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jim_a49
Bellevue, WA
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LOLOL
You are quoting your quote, not mine.
Doesn't anyone actually read this shit, or just babble brainlessly
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| 9/29/2012 4:27:05 PM |
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xashax
Union, NH
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I posted both. Myself and then your response.
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jim_a49
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Quote from jim_a49 Unfortunatly muhammed used mulitilation as a form of punishment since its invention, lots of mulitilation, and tortures.
It is true Islam, in every sence of the word, and to assign it later for a specific punnishment is not a violation of Islam, just a change in how it is being applied.
TRUE ISLAM is OBEDIENCE to TORAH AS GIVEN TO MOSES BY GOD.
Qur'an simply confirms that.
What I meant about the alterations, was that Torah had once AGAIN been ALTERED (as the Hebrews had done before with the Scribes and Pharisees' "ORAL TRADITION"), this time by Arabs.
And Islam in it's arabic form still exists, except for the Sira.
The original no longer exists.
You OBVIOUSLY don't get it.
1. SUBMISSION to God's will (ISLAM), has existed since Adam and Eve.
God's VERY FIRST command was
Genesis 1:28
King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
"Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth."
Qur'an simply confirms that.
2. God gave COMMANDS not RELIGION.
Either you SUBMIT to God's COMMANDS or you OPPOSE God's COMMANDS.
If you SUBMIT, you are a Jew, Christian, or MUSLIM.
If you OPPOSE, you are Satan (Hebrew: ????????? ha-Satan), "the opposer", is the title of various entities, both human and divine, who challenge the faith of humans in the Hebrew Bible.
No you don't get it,
There is very clear dialoge in Islamic text, about Islam ever since Adam, not the torah.
The jewish laws along with christian, do not apply.
Yes the religion was plagerized from their text, but their text is not valid, and all has been abrogated.
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| 9/29/2012 4:32:07 PM |
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heymisterchris
Hicksville, NY
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You might want to read what was said befor you say anything
I didn't blame you for anything, in fact i cleared you.
But f**k you back.
How did I inadverttantly bring up the topic ya friggin jerk. LOL
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| 9/29/2012 4:32:29 PM |
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jim_a49
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and cut with your bullshit.
Make one point at a time and we can analize it.
I am not going to play stupid games with you because you are not capable of discussing one thing at a time.
You cannot resolve anything in the manor you are doing it, but we all know that is your intentions.
It takes you 10 pages to resolve one thing, it cannot be done with 5 ot 10.
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| 9/29/2012 4:33:47 PM |
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jim_a49
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How did I inadverttantly bring up the topic ya friggin jerk. LOL
why the f**k don't you read the frickin posts, befor you accuse anyone of anything, it's not that hard and you won't make quite the fool of yourself.
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| 9/29/2012 4:34:02 PM |
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heymisterchris
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Thank you Unique. I knew there would be. I could care less what non muslims know about the faith. I felt the same way when I wanted to learn about Buddhism. If you really want to learn you go right to the source. By the way you have no pic. I'm curious. Are you cute?
Just one little side note. Christopher Columbus used celestial navigation on his infamous journey westward. Which was a novel skill for a european navigator. Apparently it was an issue among some of the crew.
None of his crews ever actually mutinied even though there were rumbleings and water and food shortages. They sailed further then halfway through there food and water and kept going. This to me and many other historians is the sign of a truly great leader, and a truly brave crew.
The fact that he hit dry land is a sign he was a great navigator.
It is also a sign of how dependable that islamic technology of celestial navigation was.
You'll never here that in the revisionist Columbus bashing history of today.
I would also add that many people of Columbus's time thought the world was round. This wasn't just an idea of Columbus's.
This was my post that you were responding too.
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| 9/29/2012 4:35:35 PM |
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heymisterchris
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LOLOL
and btw, uniquecover is a man. A muslim predator.
He was here a few monthe back and i spanked him thououghly and he ran, coming back as a woman and learned the block feature winch he used on me.
He is also the perfect example to prove what I am speaking of.
He will direct you to books that were writtin last year, which he will clain came fron original writings, which they did not.
why not read the originals you ask.
Because the originals have the real story that islam does not want you to know.
he will flat out refuse to answer any question i ask him and I can prove this to you as we speak.
I can give you questions, lots of them, that he will flat out refuse to answer, and if you ast too many times he will block you.
I have spent the thousands of hours ofer the past 7 years reading the Qur'an and sunnah,
I know what is in there.
This post was your response to my post. So how am I inadvertantly bringing up your accusations that she's a dude. Answer me that oh dicless picless one.
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| 9/29/2012 4:36:01 PM |
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jim_a49
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It sure looks like to me, I could be wrong, but I do read english, can't type it for shit, but I can read it.
It looks like you are asking him if he is cute, but you are thinking he is a girl.
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| 9/29/2012 4:36:58 PM |
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jim_a49
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I responded with the post you just quoted
Now wtf is your problem.
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xashax
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Jim if you both don't have photos, then how can you accuse her of being male? Cant we just call you a woman now? You lose the privilege to make accusations when you are both not holding.
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| 9/29/2012 4:39:30 PM |
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heymisterchris
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It sure looks like to me, I could be wrong, but I do read english, can't type it for shit, but I can read it.
It looks like you are asking him if he is cute, but you are thinking he is a girl.
Oh that's bullshit. I ask someone who is posted as a woman if she's cute and you accuse her of being a man and you blame me. I would say you inadvertantly acted like an a**hole. Leave me out of it.
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| 9/29/2012 4:40:37 PM |
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heymisterchris
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Jim if you both don't have photos, then how can you accuse her of being male? Cant we just call you a woman now? You lose the privilege to make accusations when you are both not holding.
Yeah Jim. I say your a flat chested ugly twat with pigtails and pink panties.
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jim_a49
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Oh that's bullshit. I ask someone who is posted as a woman if she's cute and you accuse her of being a man and you blame me. I would say you inadvertantly acted like an a**hole. Leave me out of it.
F**k you, show me where I blamed you.
I distinctly said you were not at fault
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| 9/29/2012 4:41:33 PM |
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xashax
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How could he be at fault??
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| 9/29/2012 4:42:19 PM |
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heymisterchris
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Jim's an ugly twat, Jim's an ugly twat na na na na na
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heymisterchris
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How could he be at fault??
Good point Asha. Yeah Jim why are you even saying I'm not at fault. How could I even be at fault for your spurious unfounded accusations if you hadn't blamed me in the first place.
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| 9/29/2012 4:45:34 PM |
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heymisterchris
Hicksville, NY
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F**k you, show me where I blamed you.
I distinctly said you were not at fault
You go f**k yaself. I'll bet you da best p*ssy you eva had. Ya ugly pigtailed twat in pink panties.
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| 9/29/2012 4:47:17 PM |
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jim_a49
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Jim if you both don't have photos, then how can you accuse her of being male? Cant we just call you a woman now? You lose the privilege to make accusations when you are both not holding.
I am going on his last prophile,
You have to remember I had quite a discussion with his last prophile, and that was a man, even said it was a man.
maybe it was a woman posing as a man, but his last prophile said man.
His style is so distinct, his manor of type, his retoric, the same excuses virtually word for word, his evasivness, and his altering of the scriptures was identical.
The exact same phoney answers for direct questions,
A little to much to be the luck of the draw.
He showed up right after the other left, and the only thing that changed was his prophile.
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| 9/29/2012 4:48:25 PM |
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jim_a49
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Good point Asha. Yeah Jim why are you even saying I'm not at fault. How could I even be at fault for your spurious unfounded accusations if you hadn't blamed me in the first place.
are you that stupid, read the f**kin text you idiot, I responded to asha saying you were not at fault.
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| 9/29/2012 4:50:05 PM |
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xashax
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Okay but all you have is a hunch right now and since you also don't have a photo, she could just as easily accuse you of being a woman, or a transsexual or a gay prostitute. Neither of you have photos so it cancels each other out.
And what does that have to do with the topic? Why are you attacking her character instead of just focusing on the debate?
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| 9/29/2012 4:51:56 PM |
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xashax
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are you that stupid, read the f**kin text you idiot, I responded to asha saying you were not at fault.
There would be no way he could be at fault when all he ever did was ask you to confirm her gender. You had brought up this issue of her being a man on page 26. What does it have to do with the topic?
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jim_a49
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Okay but all you have is a hunch right now and since you also don't have a photo, she could just as easily accuse you of being a woman, or a transsexual or a gay prostitute. Neither of you have photos so it cancels each other out.
And what does that have to do with the topic? Why are you attacking her character instead of just focusing on the debate?
great points.
I really do not care what he calls me.
I want to focus on the topic, but unless you havn't noticed the man uniquecover refuses to face me on the topic.
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| 9/29/2012 4:56:15 PM |
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jim_a49
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There would be no way he could be at fault when all he ever did was ask you to confirm her gender. You had brought up this issue of her being a man on page 26. What does it have to do with the topic?
wtf is this a stupid contest between the two of you.
read the f**king text.
He asked her if she was cute.
I warned him she was a he
Then you started in with your bullshif and I confirmed chris was not at any fault, I was the one who said it.
Now two of you are trying to twist around what was said, and it is still there in plain english.
I have no idea wtf you are even getting at other than mindless unwaranted bullshit.
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| 9/29/2012 4:58:31 PM |
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xashax
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There would be no way he could be at fault when all he had done was ask you to confirm her gender. You then accepted the blame for calling her a man. He obviously never did it. He was asking you.
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| 9/29/2012 5:01:58 PM |
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jim_a49
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nobody accused him of any fault.
All he did was ask he gender, he did nothing wrong.
even when you invented a fault, I clarified there was none.
where the f**k are you getting this information.
This is just like islam, there is a text that does not change, a few pages back, and you are inventing things.
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| 9/29/2012 5:06:15 PM |
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xashax
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No asha,
brought up by mr chriss in a few posts befor.
I was in the conversation and suddenly unique showed up, and I can't see what he says.
and It pisses me off when he talks shit, where in many cases I am the only one in the discussion who knows it is bullshit.
he askes her if she was cute, and i warned him, she was really a he.
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| 9/29/2012 5:07:30 PM |
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xashax
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Mr. Chris is not at fault and you later apologized and conceded that you were to blame for the accusation.
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| 9/29/2012 5:10:42 PM |
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chrisbrz
Wilmette, IL
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You go f**k yaself. I'll bet you da best p*ssy you eva had. Ya ugly pigtailed twat in pink panties.
That Seattle airplane troll has a female and a male profile.
I trust nothing it posts.
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| 9/29/2012 5:12:48 PM |
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jim_a49
Bellevue, WA
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WTF
he never was at any fault,
Why are you having such a hard time understanding this.
If there is any fault to be asigned here, it is your fault.
You are intentionally trying to start a rift between two others where none existed.
You are inventing things that simply did not happen.
and the worst part is that anyone can go back and read what transpired ,and see this is entirly your invention.
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| 9/29/2012 5:14:08 PM |
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xashax
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No No No
I am not blaming anyone, I am the one who said it at the first chance it came up.
Mrchriss has no fault here.
He inadvertantly brought up the topic, and I entered the discussion.
This is all on me.
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