The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!

9/12/2016 3:50:25 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
kb2222 Jacksonville, FL 75, joined Apr. 2011 online now!	Quote from freegratis: kb2222, Since you and I cannot communicate with sentences, I offered you a simple YES or NO alternative. I gave you a YES to your broken record queries already. Remember you flipped out? That is why I suggested you answer YES or NO about Leviticus and the Lamb of God etc. Stop squirming around making excuses evading being truthful. I asked you why do you think the book the church compiled is unquestionably Gods rule book? And I said while you are at it tell me why you believe it is just to stone and burn people to death at the stake for all these reasons? And why you believe that is what Jesus would order man to do? Meet singles at DateHookup.dating, we're 100% free! Join now!
9/12/2016 4:11:58 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
tnteacher101 Morristown, TN 66, joined Aug. 2010	Quote from freegratis: It is the view of 2 Samuel 12:9 that David was guilty of killing Uriah. In verse 13 and following, David is repentant. And we have the Psalms to help teach us to cry out to God for forgiveness. 2 Samuel 12:9 King James Bible Wherefore hast thou despised the commandment of the LORD, to do evil in his sight? thou hast killed Uriah the Hittite with the sword, and hast taken his wife to be thy wife, and hast slain him with the sword of the children of Ammon Gratis: I agree that it is more than obvious that King David put Uriah in a position that Uriah would more than likely be killed by the Ammonite Army. But, someone had to be in that very dangerous situation. I don't think David would have been considered a murderer for putting Uriah in that more than dangerous position at that time in history and I don't think that David would be considered a murderer at this time in history. The way I see it is that David was not a murderer but he was somewhat responsible for Uriah's death. Like I said before the commanders of an army are never charged with first degree murder or even second degree murder. David was a accessory to Uriah's murder but most military commanders are accessories to such killings but are never considered guilty. If King David had been a first degree murderer then he should have been put to death for such a crime. I don't think Yeshua would have held King David in such high esteem if King David had been a murderer. It is my view that Yahweh does not show favoritism. It is also my view that Paul was a murderer since Stephen died at the feet of Paul and the Bible plainly tells us that Paul consented into Stephen's death. Also, Paul chained and imprisoned an untold number of followers of "The Way". Because of the primitive conditions of prisons at that time in history it is my guess that the majority of those imprisoned by Paul died a very miserable death in prison. If Paul was a murderer then Paul deserved to be put to death and certainly not be an Apostle like Paul falsely claimed. Steve
9/12/2016 4:20:14 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 63, joined Feb. 2008 online now!	God forgives truly repentant sinners, even murderers.
9/12/2016 4:21:38 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
prophetic774 Winter Haven, FL 65, joined Feb. 2011 online now!	Now Louie claims to be a prophet even though he has made ridiculous prophecies in the past that did not come true. He also continually adds words and takes words away from the inspired prophecies in God's Word. Like TNT, and unlike his Roman Catholic Church, Louie also believes that all the writings of Paul and Luke are from Satan. If Louie was preaching this during the Roman Catholic Inquisitions he would have bee tarred and feathered, boiled and barbecued in oil and then fed to the lions. Jesus prayed to His Father in John 17:17: "Sanctify them through the Truth, Your Word is Truth." 2 Peter 1:20,21: Above all, you must understand that no prophecy OF SCRIPTURE came about by the prophets own interpretation . For prophecy never had its origin in the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit!! Revelation 22:16,18,19: "I, Jesus, have sent My angel to give you this testimony for the churches...I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book. If anyone ADDS anything to them {Like Louie}, God will add to him the plagues described in this book {Including eternal hell} And if anyone TAKES WORDS AWAY {like Louie}from this book of prophecy, God will add to him his share in the tree of Life and in the Holy City {The New Jerusalem} which are described in this book!!" So God's true prophets don't ADD or TAKE WORDS AWAY from the prophecies in God's Word; they just compare inspired Scripture with inspired Scripture on each prophetic topic. They also do not get any special revelations from God as Louie claims. "WE ARE SAVED BY FAITH WHICH IS THE FREE GIFT OF GOD--NOT BY WORKS SO THAT NO ONE CAN BOAST!!" Titus 3:3,4: At one time we too were foolish, disobedient, deceived and enslaved by all kinds of passions and pleasures. We lived in malice and envy, being hated and hating one another. But when the kindness and LOVE of God our Savior appeared , he saved us, NOT BECAUSE OF RIGHTEOUS THINGS WE HAD DONE, but because of HIS MERCY!! Romans 11:5,6: At the present time there is a remnant CHOSEN BY GRACE! And if by grace it is NO LONGER BY WORKS; if it were, grace would no longer be grace!! Romans 9:30-32: What then shall we say? That the Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, have obtained it, a righteousness that is BY FAITH; but Israel, who pursued a law of righteousness, has not attained it. Why not? Because they pursued it NOT BY FAITH but as it were by works!! Romans 4:5-8: To the man who does not work but trusts God who justifies the wicked, HIS FAITH is credited as righteousness. David says the same thing when he speaks of the blessedness of the man to whom God credits righteousness APART FROM WORKS: "Blessed are they whose transgressions are forgiven, whose sins are covered. Blessed is the man whose sin the Lord will NEVER COUNT AGAINST HIM!!" {Psalm 32:1,2} Ephesians 1:5-8: In LOVE He predestined us to be adopted as His sons through Jesus Christ, in accordance with His pleasure and will--to the praise of His GLORIOUS GRACE, which He has freely given us in the One He loves. In Him we have REDEMPTION THROUGH HIS BLOOD, the FORGIVENESS OF SINS, in accordance with the riches of God's grace that He lavished on us with all wisdom and understanding! Ephesians 2:4-10: Because of His great LOVE for us, God,, who is rich in mercy, made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions--it is BY GRACE you have been saved! And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with Him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus, in order that in the coming ages He might show the incomparable riches of His grace, expressed in His kindness to us in Christ Jesus. For it is BY GRACE you have been saved, through faith-- and this NOT FROM YOURSELVES, it is the GIFT of God--NOT BY WORKS, so that no one can boast. For we are God's workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do!!
9/12/2016 4:25:46 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
tnteacher101 Morristown, TN 66, joined Aug. 2010	Quote from ludlowlowell: God forgives truly repentant sinners, even murderers. Low: You simply need to show the evidence. Just because you say it doesn't necessarily make it true. I always look for a higher authority to make such decisions. The Bible makes it very clear that murderers/people that shed innocent blood are to be executed. It is that simple and that complex. Steve
9/12/2016 4:35:13 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 63, joined Feb. 2008 online now!	The evidence is that the Catholic Church says so, and the Catholic Church is the pillar and ground of truth (1 Timothy 3:15).
9/12/2016 4:55:14 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
louie6332 Falkville, AL 74, joined Nov. 2011	Prophetic, you say: “Now Louie claims to be a prophet” That’s a damn lie, so you are a liar on both counts: I have never claimed to be a prophet, but you have. Now let’s hear the prophecy that God gave you. I hate liars with a purple passion. And remember, I do not understand gobblygook, if "God" gave it to you in gobblygook, then translate it. Louie
9/12/2016 5:54:26 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
prophetic774 Winter Haven, FL 65, joined Feb. 2011 online now!	We all certsinly agree Louie that you are not a prophet. But you will admit that you were a FALSE PROPHET when you prophesied at least 30 times about a ridiculous prophecy that you said was going to take place in September 2014.
9/12/2016 6:24:40 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
tnteacher101 Morristown, TN 66, joined Aug. 2010	Quote from ludlowlowell: The evidence is that the Catholic Church says so, and the Catholic Church is the pillar and ground of truth (1 Timothy 3:15). Low: You are quoting the lawless murderer, tare and false apostle Paul. Paul's advice is about as worthless as large breasts on a boar hog that I told you about earlier. Moses the Prophets, Yeshua and the true 12 Apostles never, ever, said that murderers can get forgiveness while living on this Earth. When you tell me that the Catholic Church teaches the opposite of what the Bible teaches it causes my confidence in the Catholic Church to go down hill very fast. The Bible teaches exactly the opposite. Genesis 9:6 King James 2000 Bible Whoever sheds man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man. Steve
9/12/2016 6:30:01 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 63, joined Feb. 2008 online now!	There is Tnteacher's way of interpreting the Bible, then there is the Catholic Church's. I think I'll go with the latter.
9/12/2016 6:38:21 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
louie6332 Falkville, AL 74, joined Nov. 2011	Neither God nor has the Catholic Church traditionally opposed what God calls “man’s justice”. The Catholic Church has never traditionally opposed the death penalty. Lud was opposing the right to bear arms in the current events section, you know the right self defense. But Our Lord did not oppose bearing arms. In fact, when he was leaving them, he told his apostles to buy and carry swords. Christianity is not an effeminate, wimpy, thing that Modernists are trying to make it into today. Louie
9/12/2016 6:42:52 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
kb2222 Jacksonville, FL 75, joined Apr. 2011 online now!	Quote from kb2222: Louie, I have asked you this at least a half a dozen times and you always run and hide. Louie, Do you really believe Jesus would order man to stone and burn people to death at the stake for all these reasons? Kill People Who Don't Listen to Priests (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT) Kill Witches (Exodus 22:17 NAB) Kill Homosexuals (Leviticus 20:13 NAB) Kill Fortunetellers (Leviticus 20:27 NAB) Death for Hitting Dad (Exodus 21:15 NAB) Death for Cursing Parents (Proverbs 20:20 NAB, Leviticus 20:9 NLT) Death for Adultery (Leviticus 20:10 NLT) Death for Fornication (Leviticus 21:9 NAB) Death to Followers of Other Religions (Exodus 22:19 NAB) Kill Nonbelievers (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB) Kill False Prophets (Zechariah 13:3 NAB) Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God (Deuteronomy 13:13-18 NLT) Kill Women Who Are Not Virgins On Their Wedding Night (Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB) Kill Followers of Other Religions. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB, Deuteronomy 17:2-5 NLT) Death for Blasphemy (Leviticus 24:10-16 NLT) Kill False Prophets (Deuteronomy 13:1-5 NLT, Deuteronomy 18:20-22 NLT) Infidels and Gays Should Die (Romans 1:24-32 NLT) Kill Anyone who Approaches the Tabernacle (Numbers 1:48-51 NLT) Kill People for Working on the Sabbath (Exodus 31:12-15 NLT) Kill Sons of Sinners (Isaiah 14:21 NAB)
9/12/2016 6:48:14 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
prophetic774 Winter Haven, FL 65, joined Feb. 2011 online now!	In the OT God ordered Israel to kill their enemies many times and God helped them do it. However in the NT Jesus commands, "Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you. If someone strikes you on one cheek, turn to him the other also." Luke 6:27-29 Leviticus 26:7,8: God said to Israel, "You will pursue your enemies, and they will fall by the SWORD before you. Five of you will chase a hundred, and a hundred of you will chase ten thousand, and your enemies will fall by the SWORD before you!" Numbers 25:16,17" The Lord said to Moses, "Treat the Midianites as enemies and kill them!" etc etc HOWEVER IN THE NEW COVENANT, JESUS SAYS, "ALL WHO DRAW THE SWORD WILL DIE BY THE SWORD!" Jesus said to His 11 Apostles, "If you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one. For it is written: "And He was numbered with the transgressors"{Isaiah 53:12} and I tell you that this must be fulfilled in Me. Yes, what is written about Me is reaching its fulfillment." The disciples said, "See Lord, here are 2 {Not 11}swords." "That is enough." Jesus replied. Matthew 26:30-34: They seized Jesus and arrested Him. With that, one of Jesus' companions reached for his sword, drew it out and struck the servant of the high priest, cutting off his ear. "Put your sword back in its place," Jesus said to him, "For ALL who draw the sword will die by the sword...But how then would the Scriptures be fulfilled that say it must happen in this way?" And so the only reason that Jesus allowed the disciples to have 2 swords was so that the Scripture in Isaiah 53:12 would be fulfilled: "He was numbered among the transgressors." Jesus said to Pilate, "My Kingdom is not of this world. If it were, My servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jews. But NOW My Kingdom is from another place!" Former OT commands in Exodus 21:23-25 "If there is serious injury, you are to take life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, bruise for bruise." This was changed by these NT commands by Jesus: Matthew 5:38,39: Jesus commands, "You have heard that it was said {In Exodus 21:23-25 above}, 'Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.' But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek turn to him the other also!" Luke 6:27-29: Jesus commands, "LOVE YOUR ENEMIES, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. If someone strikes you on one cheek, turn to him the other also. If someone takes your cloak, do not stop him from taking your tunic. Give to everyone who asks you, and if anyone takes what belongs to you. do not demand it back!" Romans 12:18-21: If it is possible, as far as it DEPENDS ON YOU, LIVE AT PEACE WITH EVERYONE! Do not take revenge my friends, but leave room for God's wrath, for it is written, "It is mine to revenge, I will repay," says the Lord. On the contrary "If your enemy is hungry, feed him. If he is thirsty, give him something to drink. In doing this, you will heap burning coals on his head" Do not be overcome by evil but OVERCOME EVIL WITH GOOD!! 2 Corinthians 10:3,4: "For though we live in the world, we do not wage war as the world does. The weapons we fight with are NOT the weapons of the world." The only weapons that NT saints may use who follow the New Covenant commands of Jesus is the Sword of the Spirit which is the Word of God. A NT saint would not even think of joining the army of any nation and becoming a professional killer or defending himself with a gun. Unfortunately very few Groups such as the Amish and Mennonites still obey these sacred commands of Jesus. I John 2:3-5: "We know that we have come to know Him if we obey His {Jesus'} commands. The man who says, "I know him," but does not do what He {Jesus} commands is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But if anyone obeys His Word, God's love is truly made complete in him." The inspired words of the NT were inspired by God between AD 50 and AD 96 and the 4 Gospels were written about AD 65 And so all of the approximately 400 NT commands were not completed and in force until Around AD 96. When you join the military and become a professional killer you must make a VOW that you will obey all the commands of your commanding officer. And so if He commands you to drop an Atomic Bomb that will kill about 100,000 civilians including about 25,000 innocent children you must obey this command!!! What is th OT command concerning VOWS and OATHS?? Numbers 30:2: Moses said, "This is what the Lord commands: When a man makes a VOW to the Lord or takes an OATH to obligate himself by a pledge, he must not break his word but must do everything he said!" What are the NT commands concerning making VOWS and *OATHS?? James 5:12: "ABOVE ALL, my brothers, do not swear--not by heaven or by earth or by anything else. Let your "Yes" be yes, and your "No," no, or you will be condemned.!!" Matthew 5:33-37: Jesus says, "You have heard that it was said to your people long ago {Numbers 30:2 above}, 'Do not break your oath, but keep the oaths you have made to the Lord.' BUT I tell you, Do not swear at all....Simply let your 'Yes' be 'Yes,' and your 'No, 'No'; anything beyond this comes from the evil one!!" Anyone who claims that Jesus did not change OT laws is completely blind. All of the OT sabbath laws have been eliminated. All of the OT sacrifical and temple laws have been eliminated by the eternal sacrifice for sins by Jesus. All of the stoning to death laws for breaking the law have been eliminated. All of the laws concerning killing your enemies, and eye for an eye and making oaths have been eliminated. All Circumcision laws have been eliminated. And Jesus decared that all foods are now CLEAN!! Mark 7:18,19: Jesus says, "Are you so dull?" He asked. "Don't you see that nothing that enters a man from the outside can make him 'unclean'? For it doesn't go into his heart but into his stomach, and then out of his body." In saying this. Jesus declared ALL FOODS "CLEAN!"
9/12/2016 7:26:21 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
tnteacher101 Morristown, TN 66, joined Aug. 2010	Quote from prophetic774: In the OT God ordered Israel to kill their enemies many times and God helped them do it. However in the NT Jesus commands, "Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you. If someone strikes you on one cheek, turn to him the other also." Luke 6:27-29 Prop: You are following the teachings of the lawless heathen Paul and his traveling companion Luke. You should be following the teachings of Moses, the Prophets, Yeshua and the true 12 Apostles. Most of what those two taught were false teachings. You have simply been beguiled/seduced by the lawless teaching of Paul. Steve
9/12/2016 7:58:38 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
prophetic774 Winter Haven, FL 65, joined Feb. 2011 online now!	Matthew 5:38,39; 43-45: Jesus says, "You have heard that it was said, 'Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth,'{In Exodus 21:24} But I tell you, Do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also!"... "You have heard that it was said; 'Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' But I tell you : Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be sons of your Father in heaven!" Leviticus 26:7,8: God said to Israel, "You will pursue your enemies, and they will fall by the SWORD before you. Five of you will chase a hundred, and a hundred of you will chase ten thousand, and your enemies will fall by the SWORD before you!" Numbers 25:16,17" The Lord said to Moses, "Treat the Midianites as enemies and kill them!" etc etc HOWEVER IN THE NEW COVENANT, JESUS SAYS, "ALL WHO DRAW THE SWORD WILL DIE BY THE SWORD!" Matthew 26:30-34: They seized Jesus and arrested Him. With that, one of Jesus' companions reached for his sword, drew it out and struck the servant of the high priest, cutting off his ear. "Put your sword back in its place," Jesus said to him, "For ALL who draw the sword will die by the sword...But how then would the Scriptures be fulfilled that say it must happen in this way?"
9/13/2016 4:12:44 AM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
share_n_love Fort Wayne, IN 60, joined Dec. 2012	Quote from ludlowlowell: God forgives truly repentant sinners, even murderers. True Lud... There are many scriptures that tell us if one truly repents that God's arm is not shortened that He cannot save, nor is His ear: Isa 59:1, Behold, the LORD'S hand is not shortened, that it cannot save; neither his ear heavy, that it cannot hear: 2Chronicles 7:14, Then if my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and restore their land.
9/13/2016 7:32:17 AM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
tnteacher101 Morristown, TN 66, joined Aug. 2010	Quote from share_n_love: True Lud... There are many scriptures that tell us if one truly repents that God's arm is not shortened that He cannot save, nor is His ear: Isa 59:1, Behold, the LORD'S hand is not shortened, that it cannot save; neither his ear heavy, that it cannot hear: 2Chronicles 7:14, Then if my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and restore their land. Share: You must be reading a different Bible than I read. Where in the Bible do find that the unforgivable sin of murder can be forgiven? Low has shown no evidence at all. Maybe you will be able to. Steve
9/13/2016 11:47:31 AM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 63, joined Feb. 2008 online now!	Steve, why do you believe in the Bible but not the Catholic Church? Don't you know it was the Catholic Church that put the Bible together in the first place?
9/13/2016 2:13:20 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
bigd9832 Chicago, IL 63, joined Oct. 2007 online now!	The Catholic church did NOT put the Bible together in the first place. There is no evidence to support this misconception. It was probably put together by Constantine. And there is no evidence that he was ever Catholic. The Catholic church is merely a sect of the Original church, just as the Orthodox church is. The Catholic church started in 1054 ad. About 1000 years after Jesus. For an informed view of the history of the Catholic church check out my thread... The Catholic church is not the Oldest https://DateHookup.dating/thread-1315824.htm Notice how ludlow rarely posts any evidence to support his wild claims? Maybe because there isn't any? The Catholic church lies.
9/13/2016 2:17:53 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
share_n_love Fort Wayne, IN 60, joined Dec. 2012	Quote from tnteacher101: Share: You must be reading a different Bible than I read. Where in the Bible do find that the unforgivable sin of murder can be forgiven? Low has shown no evidence at all. Maybe you will be able to. Steve I just did in my above posting... There are many scriptures that tell us if one truly repents that God's arm is not shortened that He cannot save, nor is His ear: Isa 59:1, Behold, the LORD'S hand is not shortened, that it cannot save; neither his ear heavy, that it cannot hear: 2Chronicles 7:14, Then if my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and restore their land. There is only ONE sin spoken of that will not be forgiven in this life or the life to come whether repentant or not: Mt 12:31-32, 31. Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of SIN and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men. 32. And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.
9/13/2016 3:03:43 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
tnteacher101 Morristown, TN 66, joined Aug. 2010	Quote from ludlowlowell: Steve, why do you believe in the Bible but not the Catholic Church? Don't you know it was the Catholic Church that put the Bible together in the first place? Low: It is more than obvious to me that you put your trust, hope and faith not in Yahweh but in a church that you call the Roman Catholic Church. Every time man gets his more than dirty hands on something, man corrupts it. The Catholic Church is a very big business and a for financial profit organization and it is not the "Innocent Choir Boy" that you pretend/imply that it is. The Catholic Church have been involved in raping, mutilating and murdering of millions upon millions of innocent and helpless people since their inception and that should, without any doubt at all, show you that the Catholic Church is not the innocent and Godly church that you pretend it is. The Bible plainly tells us that the fruit does not fall far from the tree. The fruit of the Catholic Church does not remind me of good fruit but of evil fruit. Good fruit comes from Yahweh and evil fruit comes from satan/lucifer/the devil. You need to put your thinking cap on and start thinking for yourself and you need to decide what kind of fruit production the Catholic Church has been involved in for the better part of the last two thousand years. The Catholic Church bases their very existence on one or two misunderstood/misinterpreted verses in the Bible. Take those two misunderstood Bible verses and interpret them the way they were meant to be interpreted/understood and the Gentile Roman Catholic Church falls flat on its face with absolutely no hope for recovery. Steve
9/13/2016 3:05:40 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
prophetic774 Winter Haven, FL 65, joined Feb. 2011 online now!	Now Louie claims to be a prophet even though he has made ridiculous prophecies in the past that did not come true. He also continually adds words and takes words away from the inspired prophecies in God's Word. Like TNT, and unlike his Roman Catholic Church, Louie also believes that all the writings of Paul and Luke 2Peter are from Satan. If Louie was preaching this during the Roman Catholic Inquisitions he would have been tarred and feathered, boiled and barbecued in oil and then fed to the lions. We all certainly agree Louie that you are not a prophet. But you will admit that you were a FALSE PROPHET when you prophesied at least 30 times about a ridiculous prophecy that you said was going to take place in September 2014. So apparently Louie believes that present day prophets get special revelations from God which ADD TO the inspired prophecies in God's Word. Jesus prayed to His Father in John 17:17: "Sanctify them through the Truth, Your Word is Truth." 2 Peter 1:20,21: Above all, you must understand that no prophecy OF SCRIPTURE came about by the prophets own interpretation . For prophecy never had its origin in the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit!! The Roman Catholic Church and Louie also believe that the Roman Catholic Church and not Jesus appoints priests or pastors and prophets. Ephesians 4:7;11-16; But to each one of us grace has been given as Christ apportioned it.... It is HE {NOT the Church} who gives some to be apostles, some to be PROPHETS, some to be evangelists, and some to be pastors and teachers, to prepare God's people for works of service, so that the body of Christ, may be built up until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ. Then we will no longer be infants, tossed back and forth by the waves, and blown here and there by every wind of teaching and by the cunning and craftiness of men in their deceitful scheming. Instead, speaking the TRUTH IN LOVE, we will in all things grow up into Him who is the HEAD, that is Christ {NOT a pope!} From Him the whole body, joined and held together by every supporting ligament, grows and builds itself up in love, as each part does its work!! Revelation 22:16,18,19: "I, Jesus, have sent My angel to give you this testimony for the churches...I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book. If anyone ADDS anything to them {Like Louie}, God will add to him the plagues described in this book {Including eternal hell} And if anyone TAKES WORDS AWAY {like Louie}from this book of prophecy, God will add to him his share in the tree of Life and in the Holy City {The New Jerusalem} which are described in this book!!" So God's true prophets don't ADD or TAKE WORDS AWAY from the prophecies in God's Word; they just compare inspired Scripture with inspired Scripture on each prophetic topic. They also do not get any special revelations from God as Louie claims. Those who classify themselves as Christians can be divided into 2 broad groups: those who have chosen to allow the Bible to be their final authority and those who have chosen to allow men to be their final authority. For sake of simplicity, I shall refer to the first group as "Bible believing Christians." The latter group has always been best represented by Roman Catholicism, by far its largest, most powerful, and most influential component. The Roman Catholic hierarchy has always boldly stated that it is not dependent upon Scripture alone, but also accepts tradition as another pillar of truth -- and where a conflict exists, tradition receives the greater acceptance. Being its own arbiter of what is to be accepted as truth, it accepts no authority as being higher than itself. This explains why the Catholic belief system has been constantly evolving over the centuries. This also explains why a fierce antagonism has always existed between Bible believing Christianity and Roman Catholicism. Rome's frequent spiritual innovations excites the passions of Bible believers, who react adversely to religious modifications that are at odds with the eternal, changeless Word of God. Harboring a supreme confidence in the Book, a trust which reflects their trust in the Holy Spirit who authored the Scriptures, the Bible believers boldly challenge the suppositions of the Catholic hierarchy. In the course of this spiritual warfare, Catholic people are frequently converted from trust in Rome's complex religious system to a childlike faith in the Saviour and a simple reliance on His Word. Many such converts ultimately leave the Church of Rome to join local, New Testament churches. Frequently in history, the trickle of individuals who were making this remarkable transformation turned into a flood. Both Bible believing Christians and Roman Catholicism accept the same 27 books in the NT which would include the 14 books of Paul and the books of Acts and Luke and 2 Peter; for a total of 17 books; which Louie and TNT completely reject. The Roman Catholics added 7 books called the Apocrypha in 1565 to the 27 books in the NT for a total of 34 books. And so TNT and Louie reject and trash 65% of the Bible believing NT and 50% of the Roman Catholic NT. Louie and TNT also reject most of the Sermon on the Mount in Matthew chapters 5-7 and many passages in John and Revelation including: John 6:37,39,44,63: Jesus says, "All that the Father gives ME WILL come to Me...And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that I shall lose NONE of all He has given Me, but raise them up at the Last Day...No one can come to Me *UNLESS* the Father who sent Me DRAWS him, and I will raise him up at the Last Day!...No one can come to Me *UNLESS* the Father has ENABLED him!!" The Apostle John was inspired by God to write in Revelation 5:9: "You are worthy to take the scroll and open its seals , because You were slain and WITH YOUR BLOOD you purchased men for God from every tribe and language and people and nation!!" The Apostle John was also inspired by God to write Revelation 1:5: "From Jesus Christ, Who is the faithful witness and ruler of the kings of the earth. To Him who loves us and has freed us from our sins BY HIS BLOOD!!"
9/13/2016 4:46:08 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
louie6332 Falkville, AL 74, joined Nov. 2011	Pathetic, you are plastering all these threads with attacks on me. I guess you think that if you repeat a lie often enough, people will believe it. Louie has never claimed to be a prophet, but you have. Now tell us what prophecy you received from God. Louie
9/13/2016 5:07:44 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
prophetic774 Winter Haven, FL 65, joined Feb. 2011 online now!	Jesus prayed to His Father in John 17:17: "Sanctify them through the Truth, Your Word is Truth." Revelation 22:16,18,19: "I, Jesus, have sent My angel to give you this testimony for the churches...I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book. If anyone ADDS anything to them {Like Louie}, God will add to him the plagues described in this book {Including eternal hell} And if anyone TAKES WORDS AWAY {like Louie} from this book of prophecy, God will add to him his share in the tree of Life and in the Holy City {The New Jerusalem} which are described in this book!!" So God's true prophets don't ADD or TAKE WORDS AWAY from the prophecies in God's Word; they just compare inspired Scripture with inspired Scripture on each prophetic topic. They also do not get any special revelations from God as Louie claims. I Peter 1:13: “Therefore, prepare your minds for ACTION, and set your hope FULLY on the grace to be given YOU when Jesus Christ is REVEALED. “WE wait for the BLESSED HOPE—the glorious APPEARING of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ.I Cor 1:7: “YOU do not lack any spiritual gift as YOU eagerly wait for our Lord Jesus Christ to be REVEALED.” Now the pre-tribbers claim that this glorious REVEALING or REVELATION* of Jesus will be CONCEALED BEFORE the beginning of the Great Tribulation. However, every other time the Word REVEALED {Greek-Apocalipsis} is used related to resurrection events it refers to the glorious REVEALING of Jesus on the LAST DAY of the Great Tribulation {See 2 Thess 1:7-10 & Luke 17:26-31}. And CONCEALED is the exact opposite of REVEALED and APPEARED according to every dictionary! Titus 2:13 We wait for the BLESSED HOPE---the glorious APPEARING of our great God and Savior,Jesus Christ!! “Jesus will APPEAR a 2nd time {And not a 3rd TIME!} to bring salvation to those who are waiting for Him!” Colossians 1:2; 3:4: “To the holy and faithful brothers in Christ.... When Christ, who is your life APPEARS, then you also will APPEAR with Him in glory.” I John 3:2,3: “When Jesus APPEARS, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is. Everyone who has this hope in Him purifies himself, just as He is pure!!” Matthew 24:29,30: Jesus says, “IMMEDIATELY AFTER the distress of those days {The Great Tribulation} the sun will be darkened and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from the sky. At that time the sign of the Son of Man will APPEAR in the sky and the nations will SEE* the Son of Man COMING on the clouds of the sky with power and great glory!!” I John 2:28: “Dear children, continue in Him, so that when He APPEARS WE may be confident and unashamed before Him at His COMING!” {See 2 Thess 1:7-10; I Tim 6:14; Heb 9:28 & Col 3:4} 2 Tim 4:8: Paul said, There is in store for me the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous Judge, will award to me on THAT DAY—and not only to me, but to ALL who have longed for His APPEARING!!” I Peter 5:4: “When the Chief Shepherd APPEARS, you will receive the crown of glory that will never fade away!” 2 Thess 1:1,6-10: ‘To the CHURCH* of the Thessalonians…God is just; He will pay back trouble to those who trouble you and give relief to you who are troubled, and to us as well. This will happen WHEN the Lord Jesus is REVEALED {See I Peter 1:13} from heaven in blazing fire…. He will punish those who do not know God and do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. They will be punished with everlasting DESTRUCTION and shut out from the presence of the Lord ON THE DAY HE COMES to be glorified in His holy people!!” 2 Peter 2:10-13: But the Day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will DISAPPEAR with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire , and the earth and everything in it will be burned up.. That Day will bring about the destruction of the heavens by fire, and the elements will melt in the heat. But in keeping with His promise we are looking forward to a NEW HEAVEN and a NEW EARTH, the home of righteousness!! {As per Revelation 21:1-5} Revelation 21:1-5: Then I saw a NEW HEAVEN and a NEW EARTH, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. I saw the Holy City, the NEW JERUSALEM coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband. And I heard a loud Voice from the throne saying, "Now the dwelling of God is with men, and He will live with them. They will be His people, and God Himself will be with them and be their God. He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death and crying or pain, for the old order of things have passed away!" He who was seated on the Throne said, "I am making EVERYTHING NEW!" Then He said, "Write this down, for these words are trustworthy and true!!"
9/13/2016 8:01:47 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
louie6332 Falkville, AL 74, joined Nov. 2011	Pathetic, quoting prophecy does NOT make you a prophet. Tell us what God revealed to YOU. Louie
9/13/2016 8:54:02 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
tnteacher101 Morristown, TN 66, joined Aug. 2010	Quote from louie6332: Pathetic, quoting prophecy does NOT make you a prophet. Tell us what God revealed to YOU. Louie Prop: Louie has you literally backed up against a thick stone cold wall. There is no way for you to escape from the more than sad predicament that you are now in. No fancy footwork on your part and no randomly quoting of arrogant and lawless heathen verses from the more than silly letters of the lawless murderer, tare and false apostle Paul will help you in the situation you are now in. For you to save face in this very late stage of the game it is more than obvious to me and it is detrimental to you that you are going to have to speak plainly and clearly and tell all of the good people here on this wonderful Christian Forum exactly why you are claiming to be a Prophet. With simple words and plain speech you not only need to tell us why you consider yourself a Prophet but you also need to tell us exactly, without any stuttering or stammering, what Prophetic Message you have been sent to us to share. We will be listening intently and quietly while you speak the words of wisdom that you have been sent to share with us by the creator of this Universe. Prop: Now it it your turn to speak. Steve
9/13/2016 8:54:06 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
prophetic774 Winter Haven, FL 65, joined Feb. 2011 online now!	Louie: God revealed to me, through His inspired Word, that I should not ADD or TAKE WORDS AWAY from the prophecies in God's Word which is an unpardonable sin and that present day prophets should only compare inspired Scripture with inspired Scripture on each prophetic topic in understanding and explaining the prophecies in God's Word!! Jesus prayed to His Father in John 17:17: "Sanctify them through the Truth, Your Word is Truth." Revelation 22:16,18,19: "I, Jesus, have sent My angel to give you this testimony for the churches...I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book. If anyone ADDS anything to them {Like Louie}, God will add to him the plagues described in this book {Including eternal hell} And if anyone TAKES WORDS AWAY {like Louie} from this book of prophecy, God will add to him his share in the tree of Life and in the Holy City {The New Jerusalem} which are described in this book!!" So God's true prophets don't ADD or TAKE WORDS AWAY from the prophecies in God's Word; they just compare inspired Scripture with inspired Scripture on each prophetic topic. They also do not get any special revelations from God as Louie claims. I Peter 1:13: “Therefore, prepare your minds for ACTION, and set your hope FULLY on the grace to be given YOU when Jesus Christ is REVEALED. “WE wait for the BLESSED HOPE—the glorious APPEARING of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ.I Cor 1:7: “YOU do not lack any spiritual gift as YOU eagerly wait for our Lord Jesus Christ to be REVEALED.” Now the pre-tribbers claim that this glorious REVEALING or REVELATION* of Jesus will be CONCEALED BEFORE the beginning of the Great Tribulation. However, every other time the Word REVEALED {Greek-Apocalipsis} is used related to resurrection events it refers to the glorious REVEALING of Jesus on the LAST DAY of the Great Tribulation {See 2 Thess 1:7-10 & Luke 17:26-31}. And CONCEALED is the exact opposite of REVEALED and APPEARED according to every dictionary! Titus 2:13 We wait for the BLESSED HOPE---the glorious APPEARING of our great God and Savior,Jesus Christ!! “Jesus will APPEAR a 2nd time {And not a 3rd TIME!} to bring salvation to those who are waiting for Him!” Colossians 1:2; 3:4: “To the holy and faithful brothers in Christ.... When Christ, who is your life APPEARS, then you also will APPEAR with Him in glory.” I John 3:2,3: “When Jesus APPEARS, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is. Everyone who has this hope in Him purifies himself, just as He is pure!!” Matthew 24:29,30: Jesus says, “IMMEDIATELY AFTER the distress of those days {The Great Tribulation} the sun will be darkened and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from the sky. At that time the sign of the Son of Man will APPEAR in the sky and the nations will SEE* the Son of Man COMING on the clouds of the sky with power and great glory!!” I John 2:28: “Dear children, continue in Him, so that when He APPEARS WE may be confident and unashamed before Him at His COMING!” {See 2 Thess 1:7-10; I Tim 6:14; Heb 9:28 & Col 3:4} 2 Tim 4:8: Paul said, There is in store for me the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous Judge, will award to me on THAT DAY—and not only to me, but to ALL who have longed for His APPEARING!!” I Peter 5:4: “When the Chief Shepherd APPEARS, you will receive the crown of glory that will never fade away!” 2 Thess 1:1,6-10: ‘To the CHURCH* of the Thessalonians…God is just; He will pay back trouble to those who trouble you and give relief to you who are troubled, and to us as well. This will happen WHEN the Lord Jesus is REVEALED {See I Peter 1:13} from heaven in blazing fire…. He will punish those who do not know God and do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. They will be punished with everlasting DESTRUCTION and shut out from the presence of the Lord ON THE DAY HE COMES to be glorified in His holy people!!” 2 Peter 2:10-13: But the Day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will DISAPPEAR with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire , and the earth and everything in it will be burned up.. That Day will bring about the destruction of the heavens by fire, and the elements will melt in the heat. But in keeping with His promise we are looking forward to a NEW HEAVEN and a NEW EARTH, the home of righteousness!! {As per Revelation 21:1-5} Revelation 21:1-5: Then I saw a NEW HEAVEN and a NEW EARTH, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. I saw the Holy City, the NEW JERUSALEM coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband. And I heard a loud Voice from the throne saying, "Now the dwelling of God is with men, and He will live with them. They will be His people, and God Himself will be with them and be their God. He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death and crying or pain, for the old order of things have passed away!" He who was seated on the Throne said, "I am making EVERYTHING NEW!" Then He said, "Write this down, for these words are trustworthy and true!!
9/14/2016 12:21:45 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
louie6332 Falkville, AL 74, joined Nov. 2011	“Pathetic, you say: “Louie: God revealed to me, through His inspired Word…” I see, Pathetic, God has revealed nothing to you, quoting prophecy makes you a prophet—so you say. If that were the case then all of us who read the Bible would be prophets. But when you quote revelation and prophecy you go on to bastardize its meaning by twisting the literal meaning. For example, you say: “that I should not ADD or TAKE WORDS AWAY from the prophecies in God's Word which is an unpardonable sin and that present day prophets should only compare inspired Scripture with inspired Scripture on each prophetic topic in understanding and explaining the prophecies in God's Word!!” The passage you quote concerning adding or taking away applied to the Book you quote from, you ignore the word “THIS Book”. “THIS” does not mean “THIS”, “ALL” does not mean “ALL”, “IS” does not mean “IS”, and on and on and on ad nausea. When you have to redefine words to save an interpretation or ignore their given meaning, that is a sure sign that something is horribly wrong with your interpretation, a drowning man desperately grasping at straws. You generalize “this book” to “ALL books”, but it does not generalize it, you ADDED that. Be a man, stand up and admit that you are not a prophet, that you lied, that’s what a real man would do. Louie
9/14/2016 1:04:57 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
freegratis Irving, TX 49, joined Dec. 2011	Quote from tnteacher101: 2 Samuel 12:9 King James Bible Wherefore hast thou despised the commandment of the LORD, to do evil in his sight? thou hast killed Uriah the Hittite with the sword, and hast taken his wife to be thy wife, and hast slain him with the sword of the children of Ammon Gratis: I agree that it is more than obvious that King David put Uriah in a position that Uriah would more than likely be killed by the Ammonite Army. ... There was also the adultery part which was forgiven instead of a stoning. The point is that repentance might bring mercy.
9/14/2016 1:12:35 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
freegratis Irving, TX 49, joined Dec. 2011	Quote from tnteacher101: Share: You must be reading a different Bible than I read. Where in the Bible do find that the unforgivable sin of murder can be forgiven? Low has shown no evidence at all. Maybe you will be able to. Steve Matthew 12:31 “Therefore I say to you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven men. If you don't trust in the only source that can save you (Holy Spirit Baptism -- the Holy Spirit witnessing with your spirit that you are a child of God), then there is no hope for your salvation. All other sins can be forgiven.
9/14/2016 1:23:17 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
prophetic774 Winter Haven, FL 65, joined Feb. 2011 online now!	"FOR THE LAW WAS GIVEN THROUGH MOSES BUT GRACE AND TRUTH CAME THROUGH JESUS CHRIST!!" "Matthew 5:29: Jesus says, "For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the TEACHERS OF THE LAW{Like TNT & the SDA}, you will certainly not enter the Kingdom of Heaven!" Luke 16:16: Jesus says, "The Law and the Prophets were proclaimed until John. {The Baptist}. Since that time, the good news of the Kingdom of God is being preached!!" John 1:17: For the Law was given through Moses, and Grace and Truth came through Jesus Christ!" John 8:3-7: The teachers of the Law and the Pharisees brought in a woman caught in adultery. They made her stand before the group and said to Jesus. "Teacher, this woman was caught in the act of adultery. In the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women. {As per Leviticus 20:10}. Now what do You say? They were using this question as a trap, in order to have a basis for accusing Him. But Jesus bent down and started to write on the ground with His finger. When they kept on questioning Him, He straightened up and said, "If anyone of you is without sin, let him be the first to throw a stone at her!" So here Jesus repealed Leviticus 20:10 and the other 25 Laws of Moses for stoning people!! Mark 10:2-12: Some Pharisees came and tested Jesus by asking, "Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife?" "What did Moses command you, Jesus replied. They said, "Moses permitted a man to write a certificate of divorce and send her away." {For any reason} "It was because your hearts were hard that Moses wrote you this law." Jesus replied. Jesus says, "A man will leave his father and mother and be united with his wife, and the two will became one flesh... Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate... Anyone who divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery against her. And if she divorces her husband and marries anther man she commits adultery." Jesus also says in Mathew 5:27,28: "You have head that it was said , 'Do not commit adultery.' But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery in his heart!" And so Jesus completely changed and added to the OT Laws of Moses on Adultery! Leviticus 26:7,8: God said to Israel, "You will pursue your enemies, and they will fall by the SWORD before you. Five of you will chase a hundred, and a hundred of you will chase ten thousand, and your enemies will fall by the SWORD before you!" Numbers 25:16,17" The Lord said to Moses, "Treat the Midianites as enemies and kill them!" etc etc HOWEVER IN THE NEW COVENANT, JESUS SAYS, "ALL WHO DRAW THE SWORD WILL DIE BY THE SWORD!" Matthew 26:30-34: They seized Jesus and arrested Him. With that, one of Jesus' companions reached for his sword, drew it out and struck the servant of the high priest, cutting off his ear. "Put your sword back in its place," Jesus said to him, "For ALL who draw the sword will die by the sword...But how then would the Scriptures be fulfilled that say it must happen in this way?" Jesus said to Pilate, "My Kingdom is not of this world. If it were, My servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jews. But NOW My Kingdom is from another place!" Former OT commands in Exodus 21:23-25 "If there is serious injury, you are to take life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, bruise for bruise." This was changed by these NT commands by Jesus: Matthew 5:38,39: Jesus commands, "You have heard that it was said {In Exodus 21:23-25 above}, 'Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.' But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek turn to him the other also!" Luke 6:27-29: Jesus commands, "LOVE YOUR ENEMIES, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. If someone strikes you on one cheek, turn to him the other also. If someone takes your cloak, do not stop him from taking your tunic. Give to everyone who asks you, and if anyone takes what belongs to you. do not demand it back!" When you join the military and become a professional killer you must make a VOW that you will obey all the commands of your commanding officer. And so if He commands you to drop an Atomic Bomb that will kill about 100,000 civilians including about 25,000 innocent children you must obey this command!!! What is the OT command concerning VOWS and OATHS?? Numbers 30:2: Moses said, "This is what the Lord commands: When a man makes a VOW to the Lord or takes an OATH to obligate himself by a pledge, he must not break his word but must do everything he said!" What are the NT commands concerning making VOWS and *OATHS?? James 5:12: "ABOVE ALL, my brothers, do not swear--not by heaven or by earth or by anything else. Let your "Yes" be yes, and your "No," no, or you will be condemned.!!" Matthew 5:33-37: Jesus says, "You have heard that it was said to your people long ago {Numbers 30:2 above}, 'Do not break your oath, but keep the oaths you have made to the Lord.' BUT I tell you, Do not swear at all....Simply let your 'Yes' be 'Yes,' and your 'No, 'No'; anything beyond this comes from the evil one!!" Anyone who claims that Jesus did not change OT laws of Moses is completely blind. All of the OT Sabbath laws have been eliminated. All of the OT sacrificial and temple laws have been eliminated by the eternal sacrifice for sins by Jesus. All of the stoning to death laws for breaking the law have been eliminated. All of the laws concerning killing your enemies, and eye for an eye and making oaths have been eliminated. All Circumcision laws have been eliminated. And Jesus declared that all foods are now CLEAN!! Galatians 5:6: For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision has any value. The only thing that counts is FAITH EXPRESSING ITSELF THROUGH LOVE! {ADAM7777 disagrees with these inspired words of God!} Colossians 2:16,17: Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you EAT or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a SABBATH DAY. These are a SHADOW of the things that were to come, the reality, however, is found in Christ!!! {TNT & the SDA disagree with these inspired words of God!} Mark 7:18-23: Jesus says, "Don't you see that nothing that enters a man from the outside can make him unclean? For it doesn't go into his heart but into his stomach, and then out of his body!" By saying this Jesus declared ALL FOODS CLEAN!! He went on "What comes out of a man is what makes him unclean. For from within , out of men's hearts, come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, greed, malice, deceit, lewdness, envy, slander, arrogance and folly. All these evils come from inside and make a man unclean!" {TNT & the SDA disagree with these inspired words of God and try to explain it away by saying it only has to do with unclean hands {???}which was mentioned earlier in Mark 7}
9/14/2016 3:46:58 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
tnteacher101 Morristown, TN 66, joined Aug. 2010	Quote from freegratis: Matthew 12:31 “Therefore I say to you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven men. Genesis 9:6 King James Bible Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man. Gratis: It appears that there are two verses in the Bible that teaches the exact opposite. Any time a verse in the Bible teaches the exact opposite of Yahweh's Laws/Torah and Commands then we must question that lawless and heathen verse. Moses, the Prophets, Yeshua and the true 12 Apostles taught that Yahweh's Laws/Torah and Commands were in effect until the end of this Earth Age. This tells me that Matthew 23:21 was either not written by the Apostle Matthew or that some renegade scribe falsified/corrupted Matthew 12:21. I will certainly take my chances with Genesis being correct since the Old Testament was written by Moses and since Yeshua used what we now call the Old Testament (the only Bible at that time in history) and Yeshua didn't warn us that the Old Testament was incorrect/wrong. Yeshua never approved of what we call the New Testament. The New Testament was approved by the lawless and heathen sun worshiping Constantine in 435AD at the Council of Nicaea and his hired help which were around 300 Catholics that were primarily interested in earning some money from Constantine. If you say that man can be forgiven of the heinous crime of murder then you are saying that there should not be a death penalty for the crime of murder. You are saying that the United States is wrong to execute detestable murderers. I fully support the death penalty for murderers. The way you see it is if someone lies in wait and murders an innocent victim (first degree murder) then the lawless and heathen murderer can simply ask for forgiveness and then merrily go on his way. If someone is forgiven of a crime then there should be absolutely no punishment for the crime the forgiven person committed. It is just like Genesis 9:6 says: Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man. Gratis: You need to be more than cautious and not teach false doctrine. It is my guess that you had rather not end up where the lawless and heathen Paul more than likely ended up. The Bible tells us there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Steve
9/14/2016 3:49:37 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 63, joined Feb. 2008 online now!	Gratis did not quote from Paul on this occasion, Steve. He quoted directly from Jesus. Surely you are not going to put Moses' words ahead of Jesus' words.
9/14/2016 4:48:48 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
prophetic774 Winter Haven, FL 65, joined Feb. 2011 online now!	"FOR THE LAW WAS GIVEN THROUGH MOSES BUT GRACE AND TRUTH CAME THROUGH JESUS CHRIST!!" John 1:17 Page 2 Acts 10:9-16: Peter went up on the roof to pray. He became hungry and wanted something to eat, and while the meal was being prepared, he fell into a trance. He saw heaven opened and something like a large sheet being let down to earth by the four corners. It contained all kinds of four-footed animals, as well as reptiles of the earth and birds of the air. Then a Voice told him, "Get up, Peter, kill and EAT!" "Surely not, Lord!" Peter replied. "I have never eaten anything impure or unclean." The Voice spoke to him a second time, "Do not call anything impure that GOD HAS MADE CLEAN!"{As per Mark 7:19 above) This happened THREE TIMES!, and the sheet was taken back to heaven! I Timothy 4:1-5: The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. Such teachings come through HYPOCRITICAL LIARS, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron. They forbid people to marry and order them TO ABSTAIN FROM CERTAIN FOODS, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth. For everything God created is good, and NOTHING IS TO BE REJECTED if it is received with thanksgiving, because it is consecrated by the word of God and prayer!! I Corinthians 10:25: Eat ANYTHING sold in the meat market without raising questions of conscience, for, "The earth is the Lord's, and everything in it!" Galatians 3:23-25: "Before faith came, we were held prisoners by the law, locked up until faith should be revealed. So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ that we might be justified by faith. Now that faith has come, WE ARE NO LONGER UNDER THE SUPERVISION OF THE LAW!!" {TNT disagrees with these inspired words of God!! since he believes we are still under the supervision of OT Law!} I Corinthians 9:20,21: Paul said, "To the Jews I became like a Jew, to win the Jews. To those under the law I became like one under the law though I MYSELF AM NOT UNDER THE LAW, so as to win those under the law. To those not having the law I became like one not having the law though I am not free from God's law but AM UNDER CHRIST'S LAW!!" Matthew 28:18-20: Jesus says, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to Me. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations... teaching them to obey EVERYTHING I HAVE COMMANDED YOU!!" {Which would include all His changes to OT laws!!} John 13:34,35: Jesus says, "A NEW COMMAND I give you: Love one another, AS I HAVE LOVED YOU, so you MUST love one another. By this all men will know that you are My disciples!!" John 15:12:14: Jesus says, "My command is this: Love each other as I have loved you. Greater love has no one than this, that HE LAY DOWN HIS LIFE FOR HIS FRIENDS. You are My friends if you do what I command!!" {So here Jesus replaces the OT law of just loving your neighbor as you love yourself!} I John 1:8-10; 2:1-5: If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just and will forgive our sins and purify ourselves from all unrighteousness. If we claim we have not sinned we make Him out to be a liar and His word has no place in our hearts... If anybody does sin we have One who speaks to the Father in our defense--Jesus Christ, the Righteous One. He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins...We know we have come to know Him if we obey HIS COMMANDS. The man who says, "I know Him," but do not do what HE COMMANDS is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But if anyone obeys HIS WORD**, God's love is truly made complete in Him. This is how we know we are in Him.
9/14/2016 4:58:23 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
tnteacher101 Morristown, TN 66, joined Aug. 2010	Quote from ludlowlowell: Gratis did not quote from Paul on this occasion, Steve. He quoted directly from Jesus. Surely you are not going to put Moses' words ahead of Jesus' words. Low: I am well aware that Gratis quoted from Matthew. You and everyone else can read what I wrote and I think I was 100% correct in everything I wrote. If a writer in the Bible disagrees with Genesis 9:6 then that person that disagrees with Moses is not agreeing with what Moses, the Prophets, Yeshua and the true 12 Apostles taught. If someone writes verses in the Bible that says Yeshua or the true 12 Apostles disagrees with Yahweh's Laws/Torah and Commands and with what Moses taught/wrote then there has to be a problem with the verses that disagrees with Yahweh's Laws/Torah and Commands. The problem could be that a true Apostle did not write the verse or verses that disagree with Yahweh's Laws/Torah and Commands. It could also be that some of the verses in the book/books that were written by one of the true 12 Apostles have been corrupted/changed by a lawless and heathen scribe. Steve
9/14/2016 5:18:39 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
freegratis Irving, TX 49, joined Dec. 2011	Quote from tnteacher101: Genesis 9:6 King James Bible Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man. Gratis: It appears that there are two verses in the Bible that teaches the exact opposite. Any time a verse in the Bible teaches the exact opposite of Yahweh's Laws/Torah and Commands then we must question that lawless and heathen verse. Moses, the Prophets, Yeshua and the true 12 Apostles taught that Yahweh's Laws/Torah and Commands were in effect until the end of this Earth Age. This tells me that Matthew 23:21 was either not written by the Apostle Matthew or that some renegade scribe falsified/corrupted Matthew 12:21. I will certainly take my chances with Genesis being correct since the Old Testament was written by Moses and since Yeshua used what we now call the Old Testament (the only Bible at that time in history) and Yeshua didn't warn us that the Old Testament was incorrect/wrong. Yeshua never approved of what we call the New Testament. The New Testament was approved by the lawless and heathen sun worshiping Constantine in 435AD at the Council of Nicaea and his hired help which were around 300 Catholics that were primarily interested in earning some money from Constantine. If you say that man can be forgiven of the heinous crime of murder then you are saying that there should not be a death penalty for the crime of murder. You are saying that the United States is wrong to execute detestable murderers. I fully support the death penalty for murderers. The way you see it is if someone lies in wait and murders an innocent victim (first degree murder) then the lawless and heathen murderer can simply ask for forgiveness and then merrily go on his way. If someone is forgiven of a crime then there should be absolutely no punishment for the crime the forgiven person committed. It is just like Genesis 9:6 says: Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man. Gratis: You need to be more than cautious and not teach false doctrine. It is my guess that you had rather not end up where the lawless and heathen Paul more than likely ended up. The Bible tells us there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Steve Psalm 32:1-2 Blessed is he whose transgression is forgiven, Whose sin is covered. Blessed is the man to whom the Lord does not impute iniquity, And in whose spirit there is no deceit. -Written as Holy Scripture, by David, adulterer, murderer (or killer), king of Israel, the man after God's own heart; and the forgiven. The ruler does not bear the sword in vain (Death penalty is okay) Romans 13 Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God. 2 Therefore whoever resists the authority resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist will bring judgment on themselves. 3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to evil. Do you want to be unafraid of the authority? Do what is good, and you will have praise from the same. 4 For he is God’s minister to you for good. But if you do evil, be afraid; for he does not bear the sword in vain; for he is God’s minister, an avenger to execute wrath on him who practices evil. On a personal opinion: man's justice may lighten God's justice. Leave room for God's wrath. Vengeance is mine sayeth the Lord, I will repay. Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.
9/14/2016 5:26:13 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 63, joined Feb. 2008 online now!	Not only is Freegratis 100% right all the way down the line on this one, he has also shown that the God of the Old Testament was just as kind, good, and forgiving as the God of the New Testament.
9/14/2016 5:27:41 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
prophetic774 Winter Haven, FL 65, joined Feb. 2011 online now!	Now TNT has shown his true colors. He now claims that any words of Jesus that changes any of the laws of Moses must be a mistaken translation or written by some Satanic person???? And so in reality TNT has trashed the entire New Testament!!! "THERE IS NO LONGER ANY SACRIFICE FOR SIN!!!" HEBREWS 10:18!! Hebrews 10:11-18: Day after day every priest performs his religious duties again and again he offers the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins. But when this Priest had offered for all time ONE SACRIFICE FOR SINS, He sat down at the right hand of God... Because by ONE SACRIFICE He has made *PERFECT FOREVER* those who are being made holy. The Holy Spirit also testifies to us about this. First he says: "This is the covenant I will make with them after that time says the Lord. I will put My laws in their hearts, and I will write them on their minds." The he adds" Their sins and lawless acts I will remember NO MORE." And when these have been forgiven , there is NO LONGER ANY SACRIFICE FOR SIN!! Ephesians 1:5-8: In love He predestined us to be adopted as His sons through Jesus Christ, in accordance with His pleasure and will--to the praise of His GLORIOUS GRACE, which He has freely given us in the One He loves. In Him we have REDEMPTION THROUGH HIS BLOOD, the FORGIVENESS OF SINS, in accordance with the riches of God's grace that He lavished on us with all wisdom and understanding! Ephesians 2:4-10: Because of His great LOVE for us, God,, who is rich in mercy, made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions--it is BY GRACE you have been saved! And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with Him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus, in order that in the coming ages He might show the incomparable riches of His grace, expressed in His kindness to us in Christ Jesus. For it is BY GRACE you have been saved, through faith-- and this NOT FROM YOURSELVES, it is the GIFT of God--NOT BY WORKS, so that no one can boast. For we are God's workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do! Hebrews 9:25-28: Nor did He enter heaven to offer Himself again and again, the way the high priest enters the Most Holy Place with blood that is not his own. Then Christ would have had to suffer many times since the creation of the world. But now He has appeared ONCE FOR ALL at the end of the ages to do away with sin by the sacrifice of Himself. Just as man is destined to die once , and after that to face judgment, so Christ was SACRIFICED ONCE TO TAKE AWAY THE SINS OF MANY PEOPLE!! Hebrews 7:27: Unlike the other high priests, He does not need to offer sacrifices day after day, first for His own sins, and then for the sins of the people. He SACRIFICED FOR THEIR SINS ONCE FOR ALL when He offered Himself!! Hebrews 10:8-10: First He said, "Sacrifices and offerings, burnt offerings and sin offerings You did not desire although the Law required them to be made. Then He said, "Here I am, I have come to do your will." He set aside the first to establish the second. And by that will, we have been made holy through the SACRIFICE OF THE BODY OF JESUS ONCE FOR ALL!! Galatians 2:14-16: Paul said, When I saw that they were not acting in line with the truth of the gospel, I said to Peter in front of them all, "You are a Jew, yet you live like a Gentile and not like a Jew. How is it, then that you force Gentiles to follow Jewish customs? We who are Jews by birth and not 'Gentile sinners' know that a man is NOT justified by observing the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by observing the law, because BY OBSERVING THE LAW NO ONE WILL BE JUSTIFIED!" Galatians 2:20,21: The life I live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me. I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing!" Galatians 3:10-13: "All who rely on observing the law are under a curse, for it is written "Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law." CLEARLY NO ONE IS JUSTIFIED BEFORE GOD BY THE LAW, because, "The righteous will live by faith." The law is not based on faith; on the contrary, "The man who does these things will live by them." Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us! Hebrews 7:18,19: The former regulation is SET ASIDE because it was weak and useless; for the law made nothing perfect, and a BETTER HOPE is introduced, by which we draw near to God.! Revelation 5:9: "You are worthy to take the scroll and to open its seals, because You were slain, and WITH YOUR BLOOD YOU PURCHASED MEN FOR GOD from every tribe and language and people and nation!!" Isaiah 53:5,6: But He was pierced for our transgressions, He was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was upon Him, and by His wounds we are healed. We all like sheep have gone astray, each of us has turned to his own way; and the Lord has laid on Him the iniquity of us all!! I Peter 1:18,19: For you know that it was no with perishable things such as silver or gold that you were REDEEMED from the empty way of life handed down to you by you forefathers, but with the PRECIOUS BLOOD OF CHRIST, a Lamb without blemish or defect!!
9/14/2016 7:41:02 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
tnteacher101 Morristown, TN 66, joined Aug. 2010	Quote from freegratis: Psalm 32:1-2 Blessed is he whose transgression is forgiven, Whose sin is covered. Gratis: Yes, it is certainly a blessing when we ask for forgiveness for a sin, turn from that sin and are forgiven by Yahweh for that sin. There is no forgiveness for a sin unless we ask for forgiveness for that sin and actually turn from that sin. According to the Bible there is no forgiveness for the horrible sin of murder. Hopefully we are all on the same page now as far as the sin of murder goes and the just punishment of anyone that commits sin of murder. If we correctly read and interpret the Bible it is not that difficult to understand. Steve
9/14/2016 9:41:22 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
prophetic774 Winter Haven, FL 65, joined Feb. 2011 online now!	Quote from tnteacher101: Prop posted: Mark 7:18-23: Jesus says, "Don't you see that nothing that enters a man from the outside can make him unclean? For it doesn't go into his heart but into his stomach, and then out of his body!" By saying this Jesus declared ALL FOODS CLEAN!! He went on "What comes out of a man is what makes him unclean. For from within , out of men's hearts, come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, greed, malice, deceit, lewdness, envy, slander, arrogance and folly. All these evils come from inside and make a man unclean!" {TNT & the SDA disagree with these inspired words of God and try to explain it away by saying it only has to do with unclean hands {???}which was mentioned earlier in Mark 7} Prop: Are you saying that you honestly believe "THAT NOTHING THAT ENTERS A MAN FROM THE OUTSIDE CAN MAKE HIS UNCLEAN"? The subject of that conversation in the Bible had everything to do with eating with ceremously/ritually washed hands and absolutely nothing to do with eating the forbidden unclean animals. If you actually thought that nothing that enters a man from outside can make him unclean then all you have to do to prove you are right is to eat poison mushrooms, poison ivy, poison oak, poison Sumac, drink gas, kerosene or many many other plants or liquids. Note: Do not eat or drink any of those poisons. It will destroy your body. You must have not been thinking straight when you said that nothing that enters your body can make him unclean. Some things will not only make you unclean but they will kill you or anyone else that eats/drinks them. You need to sharpen up while there still may be time. THE UNCLEAN ANIMALS IN THE BIBLE ARE UNCLEAN NOW AND WILL BE UNTIL THE END OF TIME. Steve TNT: You are again using Satanic reasoning to contradict God's Word. The text obviously has nothing to do with unwashed hands and of course any poison might kill you but it will never make you spiritually unclean and of course this text is referring to spiritually unclean and not physically unclean!! Mark 7:18-23: Jesus says, "Don't you see that nothing that enters a man from the outside can make him unclean {SPIRITUALLY}? For it doesn't go into his heart but into his stomach, and then out of his body!" By saying this Jesus declared ALL FOODS CLEAN!! He went on "What comes out of a man is what makes him unclean {SPIRITUALLY}. For from within, out of men's hearts, come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, greed, malice, deceit, lewdness, envy, slander, arrogance and folly. All these evils come from inside and make a man unclean {SPIRITUALLY}!" And Lobster tail, Shrimp and Ham are yum yum yummy and so good for the tummy!!)) Acts 10:9-16: Peter went up on the roof to pray. He became hungry and wanted something to eat, and while the meal was being prepared, he fell into a trance. He saw heaven opened and something like a large sheet being let down to earth by the four corners. It contained all kinds of four-footed animals, as well as reptiles of the earth and birds of the air. Then a Voice told him, "Get up, Peter, kill and EAT!" "Surely not, Lord!" Peter replied. "I have never eaten anything impure or unclean." The Voice spoke to him a second time, "Do not call anything impure that GOD HAS MADE CLEAN!"{As per Mark 7:19 above) This happened THREE TIMES!, and the sheet was taken back to heaven! Actually TNT you have apparently forgotten that the forbidding to eat certain animals birds and fish was strictly in the OT Covenant for Jews. According to Noah's Covenant and Adam's Covenant God allowed people to eat everything with the breath of life in it!!!!! God's First Covenant with Adam: Genesis 1:29,30: Then God said, "give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it They will be yours for food. And to ALL THE BEASTS OF THE EARTH and ALL the birds of the air and ALL the creatures that move on the ground--EVERYTHING that has the breath of life in it..for food!" God's Second Covenant with Noah: Genesis 9:1-3: Then God blessed Noah and his sons, saying to them, "Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the earth. The fear and dread of you will fall upon all the beasts of the earth and all the birds of the air, upon every creature that moves along the ground, and upon all the fish of the sea, they are given to your hands. EVERYTHING that lives and moves will be FOOD FOR YOU!! Luke 16:16: Jesus says, "The Law and the Prophets were proclaimed until John. {The Baptist}. Since that time, the good news of the Kingdom of God is being preached!!" John 1:17: For the Law was given through Moses, and Grace and Truth came through Jesus Christ!"
9/14/2016 10:17:39 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
tnteacher101 Morristown, TN 66, joined Aug. 2010	Quote from prophetic774: Quote from tnteacher101: Prop posted: Mark 7:18-23: Jesus says, "Don't you see that nothing that enters a man from the outside can make him unclean? For it doesn't go into his heart but into his stomach, and then out of his body!" By saying this Jesus declared ALL FOODS CLEAN!! He went on "What comes out of a man is what makes him unclean. For from within , out of men's hearts, come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, greed, malice, deceit, lewdness, envy, slander, arrogance and folly. All these evils come from inside and make a man unclean!" {TNT & the SDA disagree with these inspired words of God and try to explain it away by saying it only has to do with unclean hands {???}which was mentioned earlier in Mark 7} Prop: Are you saying that you honestly believe "THAT NOTHING THAT ENTERS A MAN FROM THE OUTSIDE CAN MAKE HIS UNCLEAN"? The subject of that conversation in the Bible had everything to do with eating with ceremously/ritually washed hands and absolutely nothing to do with eating the forbidden unclean animals. If you actually thought that nothing that enters a man from outside can make him unclean then all you have to do to prove you are right is to eat poison mushrooms, poison ivy, poison oak, poison Sumac, drink gas, kerosene or many many other plants or liquids. Note: Do not eat or drink any of those poisons. It will destroy your body. You must have not been thinking straight when you said that nothing that enters your body can make him unclean. Some things will not only make you unclean but they will kill you or anyone else that eats/drinks them. You need to sharpen up while there still may be time. THE UNCLEAN ANIMALS IN THE BIBLE ARE UNCLEAN NOW AND WILL BE UNTIL THE END OF TIME. Steve Quote from prophetic774: TNT: You are again using Satanic reasoning to contradict God's Word. The text obviously has nothing to do with unwashed hands and of course any poison might kill you but it will never make you spiritually unclean and of course this text is referring to spiritually unclean and not physically unclean!! Prop: The only satanic reasoning is when you say that all of Yahweh unclean animals have been cleansed in the New Testament. Show me one place where Yeshua or the true 12 Apostles ate one bite of any unclean animal. You simply cannot do it. If the food kills you I doubt that you would be too concerned with being spiritually unclean or physically unclean. Quote from prophetic774: Mark 7:18-23: Jesus says, "Don't you see that nothing that enters a man from the outside can make him unclean {SPIRITUALLY}? For it doesn't go into his heart but into his stomach, and then out of his body!" By saying this Jesus declared ALL FOODS CLEAN!! He went on "What comes out of a man is what makes him unclean {SPIRITUALLY}. For from within, out of men's hearts, come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, greed, malice, deceit, lewdness, envy, slander, arrogance and folly. All these evils come from inside and make a man unclean {SPIRITUALLY}!" Prop: You added the words "SPIRITUALLY" and "ALL FOODS CLEAN" so you are the very one that is adding words to the Bible. You twist the scriptures to fit your views. That is the very same thing that some of the renegade scribes did that Yeshua condemned. Quote from prophetic774: And Lobster tail, Shrimp and Ham are yum yum yummy and so good for the tummy!!)) Prop: You are making light of Yahweh's Laws/Torah and Commands. That is not a smart thing for you to do. You need to have solemn respect for Yahweh's Laws. SHAME ON YOU. Quote from prophetic774: Acts 10:9-16: Peter went up on the roof to pray. He became hungry and wanted something to eat, and while the meal was being prepared, he fell into a trance. He saw heaven opened and something like a large sheet being let down to earth by the four corners. It contained all kinds of four-footed animals, as well as reptiles of the earth and birds of the air. Then a Voice told him, "Get up, Peter, kill and EAT!" "Surely not, Lord!" Peter replied. "I have never eaten anything impure or unclean." The Voice spoke to him a second time, "Do not call anything impure that GOD HAS MADE CLEAN!"{As per Mark 7:19 above) This happened THREE TIMES!, and the sheet was taken back to heaven! The above verses had nothing to do with making any of the unclean animals clean and everything to do with the House of Israel accepting Gentiles if the gentiles follow Yahweh's Laws/Torah and Commands. Note: Peter knew very well that he was not to eat any of the unclean animals and he refused three different times and finally realized the reason for the vision. Quote from prophetic774: Actually TNT you have apparently forgotten that the forbidding to eat certain animals birds and fish was strictly in the OT Covenant for Jews. According to Noah's Covenant and Adam's Covenant God allowed people to eat everything with the breath of life in it!!!!! Prop: You are wrong again. Neither Yeshua or any of the true 12 true 12 Apostles ate one bite of any unclean animal in the New Testament. Actually the lawless heathen Paul did not eat any of the unclean animals either but he taught weak minded people that it was okay. It is surprising to me that you have read the Bible and you still don't have the least clue as to the simple truths of the Bible. It appears that you have been wholly beguiled/seduced by the lawless murderer, tare and false apostle Paul. There is no doubt in my mind that Paul is your god. Steve
9/15/2016 12:49:52 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
freegratis Irving, TX 49, joined Dec. 2011	Quote from tnteacher101: Gratis: Yes, it is certainly a blessing when we ask for forgiveness for a sin, turn from that sin and are forgiven by Yahweh for that sin. There is no forgiveness for a sin unless we ask for forgiveness for that sin and actually turn from that sin. According to the Bible there is no forgiveness for the horrible sin of murder. Hopefully we are all on the same page now as far as the sin of murder goes and the just punishment of anyone that commits sin of murder. If we correctly read and interpret the Bible it is not that difficult to understand. Steve Is is not clear to me that you believe even the horrible sin of murder can be forgiven. Any sin can keep us separated from God. So I need all my sins forgiven. And I surely ask for forgiveness of the sins I am aware of, and trust that God has covered the rest if there is a sin I am not aware of. Really it boils down to the most foolish and unforgivable sin being the one which does not trust in the only source of our salvation/forgiveness.
9/15/2016 1:29:00 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
freegratis Irving, TX 49, joined Dec. 2011	Quote from kb2222: Again, freegratis, why do you think the book the church compiled is unquestionably Gods rule book? The Authenticity of the Bible deserves its own thread. It has been interesting to discuss the truth of the Good News without the writings of Paul; his companion Luke; and now even the writings of the other Good News secretaries (Matthew, Mark, and John); and now you (you plural who are doing it) want to exclude the "red letter" Jesus words in the New Testament, written during the time of its subject matter. You (singular in particular) keep saying "the book the church compiled". I suppose you mean the Catholic church? I apologize for any bad experience you have had with the Catholic church, from which you have not recovered. But you may go here http://www.chabad.org/library/bible_cdo/aid/63255/jewish/The-Bible-with-Rashi.htm to read the Old Testament, which you also reject, which has nothing to do with the Catholic church. Genesis 2:16-17 is also at the above link. By your value system, shouldn't this be the first on your list of silly reasons to have someone die? But you reject the Pentateuch as being written by "primitive man", even though they were also closer to the subject being written about. To say this was written by primitive man is to say that God is not the author, and the so-called primitive men were not merely the secretaries. If OT and NT, written during the time of their subject matter, are both rejected by you, it is no wonder you turn to a book published within the past century which makes unsubstantiated claims about 987,000,000,000 years ago, 6,000 years ago, and 2,000 years ago.
9/15/2016 2:31:03 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
kb2222 Jacksonville, FL 75, joined Apr. 2011 online now!	Quote from freegratis: If OT and NT, written during the time of their subject matter, are both rejected by you, it is no wonder you turn to a book published within the past century which makes unsubstantiated claims about 987,000,000,000 years ago, 6,000 years ago, and 2,000 years ago. Do you have a comprehension problem? This isn't about the UB and I have never said I reject in totality (as you seemingly imply) everything in both testaments. I have said however that the GREAT ERROR of the church was to combine both testaments into a book and call it the Holy Bible, Gods inerrant changeless word, no matter what it says and no matter what Jesus taught for its clear that in so doing it serves to bind the mind of man to the book and church doctrine about it which is the reason you are so morally and spiritually confused that you believe it is just to stone and burn people to death at the stake for all sorts of reasons and even assert this is what you believe Jesus would order man to do as if you are devoid of any sense of brotherhood. Again, stop squirming around. I asked you why do you think the book the church compiled is unquestionably Gods rule book? And I said while you are at it tell me why you believe it is just to stone and burn people to death at the stake for all these reasons? And why you believe that is what Jesus would order man to do?
9/15/2016 4:06:31 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
tnteacher101 Morristown, TN 66, joined Aug. 2010	Quote from kb2222: Do you have a comprehension problem? This isn't about the UB and I have never said I reject in totality (as you seemingly imply) everything in both testaments. I have said however that the GREAT ERROR of the church was to combine both testaments into a book and call it the Holy Bible, Gods inerrant changeless word, no matter what it says and no matter what Jesus taught for its clear that in so doing it serves to bind the mind of man to the book and church doctrine about it which is the reason you are so morally and spiritually confused that you believe it is just to stone and burn people to death at the stake for all sorts of reasons and even assert this is what you believe Jesus would order man to do as if you are devoid of any sense of brotherhood. Again, stop squirming around. I asked you why do you think the book the church compiled is unquestionably Gods rule book? And I said while you are at it tell me why you believe it is just to stone and burn people to death at the stake for all these reasons? And why you believe that is what Jesus would order man to do? KB: I assume you are talking about the descendants of Cain that lived in the Wilderness that Yahweh commanded the Israelites to kill the old men, young men, old women, young women, all the children and even their animals. Is this what you are referring to that you don't agree with? I wonder why you would question Yahweh. Hopefully you are not saying your judgment is better than Yahweh's judgment. Actually the Israelites did not kill all of them like Yahweh commanded. They took some of those lawless and heathen people as wives and some for slaves. This ended causing some of the Israelites to worship false gods and it led to Yahweh allowing the Assyrian and Babylonian Army to defeat the House of Israel and the House of Judah Steve
9/15/2016 4:32:55 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
kb2222 Jacksonville, FL 75, joined Apr. 2011 online now!	Quote from tnteacher101: KB: I assume you are talking about the descendants of Cain that lived in the Wilderness that Yahweh commanded the Israelites to kill the old men, young men, old women, young women, all the children and even their animals. Is this what you are referring to that you don't agree with? I wonder why you would question Yahweh. Hopefully you are not saying your judgment is better than Yahweh's judgment. Actually the Israelites did not kill all of them like Yahweh commanded. They took some of those lawless and heathen people as wives and some for slaves. This ended causing some of the Israelites to worship false gods and it led to Yahweh allowing the Assyrian and Babylonian Army to defeat the House of Israel and the House of Judah Steve How can you not know what I am talking about when I have asked you and everyone else on this board numerous times about what I am talking about? I'm talking about killing people for these reasons, Steve. Kill People Who Don't Listen to Priests (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT) Kill Witches (Exodus 22:17 NAB) Kill Homosexuals (Leviticus 20:13 NAB) Kill Fortunetellers (Leviticus 20:27 NAB) Death for Hitting Dad (Exodus 21:15 NAB) Death for Cursing Parents (Proverbs 20:20 NAB, Leviticus 20:9 NLT) Death for Adultery (Leviticus 20:10 NLT) Death for Fornication (Leviticus 21:9 NAB) Death to Followers of Other Religions (Exodus 22:19 NAB) Kill Nonbelievers (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB) Kill False Prophets (Zechariah 13:3 NAB) Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God (Deuteronomy 13:13-18 NLT) Kill Women Who Are Not Virgins On Their Wedding Night (Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB) Kill Followers of Other Religions. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB, Deuteronomy 17:2-5 NLT) Death for Blasphemy (Leviticus 24:10-16 NLT) Kill False Prophets (Deuteronomy 13:1-5 NLT, Deuteronomy 18:20-22 NLT) Infidels and Gays Should Die (Romans 1:24-32 NLT) Kill Anyone who Approaches the Tabernacle (Numbers 1:48-51 NLT) Kill People for Working on the Sabbath (Exodus 31:12-15 NLT) Kill Sons of Sinners (Isaiah 14:21 NAB) And you have said you believe people should be killed for these reasons and you have said you believe that people should still be killed for these reasons to "please" God and I have asked you time and time again if that's what you believe why haven't you gone to a Rabbi and told him to kill you for working on the Sabbath in the past? What's your answer, Steve? Your beliefs have made you seriously mentally ill, Steve. Go see a Rabbi and tell him to kill you and the rest of your family, friends and neighbors who have worked on the Sabbath to "please" God and see what he does or says.
9/15/2016 5:21:00 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
freegratis Irving, TX 49, joined Dec. 2011	Quote from kb2222: Do you have a comprehension problem? This isn't about the UB and I have never said I reject in totality (as you seemingly imply) everything in both testaments. I have said however that the GREAT ERROR of the church was to combine both testaments into a book and call it the Holy Bible, Gods inerrant changeless word, no matter what it says and no matter what Jesus taught for its clear that in so doing it serves to bind the mind of man to the book and church doctrine about it which is the reason you are so morally and spiritually confused that you believe it is just to stone and burn people to death at the stake for all sorts of reasons and even assert this is what you believe Jesus would order man to do as if you are devoid of any sense of brotherhood. Again, stop squirming around. I asked you why do you think the book the church compiled is unquestionably Gods rule book? And I said while you are at it tell me why you believe it is just to stone and burn people to death at the stake for all these reasons? And why you believe that is what Jesus would order man to do? I cannot comprehend why you would take the UB as anything but comedy or a deception. My first question to you was: Does God require a blood sacrifice? Leviticus 17:11 You have a problem with Leviticus and Genesis 2:17 for starters. So if you do not totally reject the OT and NT, then you surely pick and choose what OT and NT verses to accept as God Breathed Scripture. You would have to enlighten me as to which verses you accept.
9/15/2016 5:27:16 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
freegratis Irving, TX 49, joined Dec. 2011	Quote from kb2222: How can you not know what I am talking about when I have asked you and everyone else on this board numerous times about what I am talking about? I'm talking about killing people for these reasons, Steve. Kill People Who Don't Listen to Priests (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT) Kill Witches (Exodus 22:17 NAB) Kill Homosexuals (Leviticus 20:13 NAB) Kill Fortunetellers (Leviticus 20:27 NAB) Death for Hitting Dad (Exodus 21:15 NAB) Death for Cursing Parents (Proverbs 20:20 NAB, Leviticus 20:9 NLT) Death for Adultery (Leviticus 20:10 NLT) Death for Fornication (Leviticus 21:9 NAB) Death to Followers of Other Religions (Exodus 22:19 NAB) Kill Nonbelievers (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB) Kill False Prophets (Zechariah 13:3 NAB) Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God (Deuteronomy 13:13-18 NLT) Kill Women Who Are Not Virgins On Their Wedding Night (Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB) Kill Followers of Other Religions. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB, Deuteronomy 17:2-5 NLT) Death for Blasphemy (Leviticus 24:10-16 NLT) Kill False Prophets (Deuteronomy 13:1-5 NLT, Deuteronomy 18:20-22 NLT) Infidels and Gays Should Die (Romans 1:24-32 NLT) Kill Anyone who Approaches the Tabernacle (Numbers 1:48-51 NLT) Kill People for Working on the Sabbath (Exodus 31:12-15 NLT) Kill Sons of Sinners (Isaiah 14:21 NAB) And you have said you believe people should be killed for these reasons and you have said you believe that people should still be killed for these reasons to "please" God and I have asked you time and time again if that's what you believe why haven't you gone to a Rabbi and told him to kill you for working on the Sabbath in the past? What's your answer, Steve? Your beliefs have made you seriously mentally ill, Steve. Go see a Rabbi and tell him to kill you and the rest of your family, friends and neighbors who have worked on the Sabbath to "please" God and see what he does or says. As you recall, I said YES as it is what God says. Did you notice Matthew 12:1-8 ? Matthew 12:1 At that time Jesus went through the grainfields on the Sabbath. And His disciples were hungry, and began to pluck heads of grain and to eat. 2 And when the Pharisees saw it, they said to Him, “Look, Your disciples are doing what is not lawful to do on the Sabbath!” 3 But He said to them, “Have you not read what David did when he was hungry, he and those who were with him: 4 how he entered the house of God and ate the showbread which was not lawful for him to eat, nor for those who were with him, but only for the priests? 5 Or have you not read in the law that on the Sabbath the priests in the temple profane the Sabbath, and are blameless? 6 Yet I say to you that in this place there is One greater than the temple. 7 But if you had known what this means, ‘I desire mercy and not sacrifice,’[a] you would not have condemned the guiltless. 8 For the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath.”
9/15/2016 5:31:04 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
kb2222 Jacksonville, FL 75, joined Apr. 2011 online now!	Quote from freegratis: As you recall, I said YES as it is what God says. Did you notice Matthew 12:1-8 ? Matthew 12:1 At that time Jesus went through the grainfields on the Sabbath. And His disciples were hungry, and began to pluck heads of grain and to eat. 2 And when the Pharisees saw it, they said to Him, “Look, Your disciples are doing what is not lawful to do on the Sabbath!” 3 But He said to them, “Have you not read what David did when he was hungry, he and those who were with him: 4 how he entered the house of God and ate the showbread which was not lawful for him to eat, nor for those who were with him, but only for the priests? 5 Or have you not read in the law that on the Sabbath the priests in the temple profane the Sabbath, and are blameless? 6 Yet I say to you that in this place there is One greater than the temple. 7 But if you had known what this means, ‘I desire mercy and not sacrifice,’[a] you would not have condemned the guiltless. 8 For the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath.” You are going nuts. What has this to do with my post to Steve?
9/15/2016 5:37:57 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
kb2222 Jacksonville, FL 75, joined Apr. 2011 online now!	Quote from freegratis: I cannot comprehend why you would take the UB as anything but comedy or a deception. My first question to you was: Does God require a blood sacrifice? Leviticus 17:11 You have a problem with Leviticus and Genesis 2:17 for starters. So if you do not totally reject the OT and NT, then you surely pick and choose what OT and NT verses to accept as God Breathed Scripture. You would have to enlighten me as to which verses you accept. I answered that question. Again, stop squirming around. I asked you why do you think the book the church compiled is unquestionably Gods rule book? And I said while you are at it tell me why you believe it is just to stone and burn people to death at the stake for all those reasons I posted? And why you believe that is what Jesus would order man to do? Are you just so dishonest you can't bring yourself to honestly answer? It appears so. You book Christians are NOT true Christians. Hell, you don't even know what a true Christian is. You are as much a Pharisee as were those who killed Jesus and you call yourselves Christians when you don't even know righteousness from wickedness or you don't care and believe God doesn't either. Satan has really done his work in your warped mind.
9/15/2016 7:15:46 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
tnteacher101 Morristown, TN 66, joined Aug. 2010	I wrote earlier: KB: I assume you are talking about the descendants of Cain that lived in the Wilderness that Yahweh commanded the Israelites to kill the old men, young men, old women, young women, all the children and even their animals. Is this what you are referring to that you don't agree with? I wonder why you would question Yahweh. Hopefully you are not saying your judgment is better than Yahweh's judgment. Actually the Israelites did not kill all of them like Yahweh commanded. They took some of those lawless and heathen people as wives and some for slaves. This ended causing some of the Israelites to worship false gods and it led to Yahweh allowing the Assyrian and Babylonian Army to defeat the House of Israel and the House of Judah KB: I am sorry I confused you so I will rephrase my question to you. I am asking a question about the descendants of Cain that lived in the Wilderness (men, women, children and animals) that Yahweh commanded the Israelites to kill. KB: Do you think Yahweh should or should not have ordered those descendants (men, women, children and animals) of Cain to be killed in the Wilderness? If you are too ashamed to answer this very simple question then I understand. You never, ever, answer my questions or other people's questions but you ask the same silly questions over and over again. I am always nice to answer your questions. Steve
9/15/2016 8:40:19 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
kb2222 Jacksonville, FL 75, joined Apr. 2011 online now!	Your beliefs have made you seriously mentally ill, Steve. Go see a Rabbi and tell him to kill you and the rest of your family, friends and neighbors who have worked on the Sabbath to "please" God and see what he does or says.
9/15/2016 9:53:22 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
tnteacher101 Morristown, TN 66, joined Aug. 2010	The lawless heathen murderer, tare and false apostle Paul thought he should be called everyone's Father. In Matthew Chapter 23, Verse 8, Jesus tells us, “And do not call anyone on earth father, for you have one Father, and he is in heaven.” This father is the father of all creation, and of all that is related to faith. However, Paul tries to tell us in his first letter to the Corinthians Chapter 4, Verse 15 “…you do not have many fathers, for in Christ Jesus I became your father through the gospel.” Source of the above: http://infinitetruth.wikidot.com/christianity:criticism-paul Steve
9/15/2016 9:58:24 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 63, joined Feb. 2008 online now!	Jesus' statement "call no man father" means do not obey any authority figure (father figure) ahead of God Himself. It does not mean we cannot call priests Father. Paul was a priest and a bishop.
9/15/2016 10:14:26 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
tnteacher101 Morristown, TN 66, joined Aug. 2010	Quote from ludlowlowell: Jesus' statement "call no man father" means do not obey any authority figure (father figure) ahead of God Himself. It does not mean we cannot call priests Father. Paul was a priest and a bishop. Low: It would be good if you start showing verses in the Bible that support your beliefs. What you just said doesn't agree with what Yeshua said in Matthew 23:8. Yeshua said to not call any man on this Earth Father. I see no evidence in the Bible that Paul was a Priest or a Bishop. Matthew Chapter 23, Verse 8, Jesus tells us, “And do not call anyone on earth father, for you have one Father, and he is in heaven.” Steve
9/15/2016 10:38:23 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
tnteacher101 Morristown, TN 66, joined Aug. 2010	Quote from tnteacher101: Low: It would be good if you start showing verses in the Bible that support your beliefs. What you just said doesn't agree with what Yeshua said in Matthew 23:8. Yeshua said to not call any man on this Earth Father. I see no evidence in the Bible that Paul was a Priest or a Bishop. Matthew Chapter 23, Verse 8, Jesus tells us, “And do not call anyone on earth father, for you have one Father, and he is in heaven.” Steve Low: This is another very good example of the Catholic Church following the teachings of the lawless heathen, tare and false apostle Paul and not following the teachings of Yeshua. Yeshua made it very clear in Matthew 23:8 to not call any person on this Earth Father but Paul said the exact opposite in saying that he/Paul was your Father. The Catholic Church goes one step farther by calling the Popie "Holy Father". Calling the Pope Holy Father is much like calling the Pope god. This cannot be correct. I have thought all along that Paul was more than likely the first Popie because the Catholic Church follows all of the lawless and heathen teachings of the false apostle Paul and none of the teachings of Peter and Yeshua. That makes me think the Catholic Church is a false and lawless heathen religion. I am very surprised that you do not feel the exact same way. Steve
9/16/2016 6:58:09 AM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 63, joined Feb. 2008 online now!	Tnt, did you call your father "Dad"? Do you allow your children to call you that? And what did the early Christians have as an authority besides the Church, before the books of the New Testament were actually written? (All they had was the authority of the Church, of which Paul was a bishop).
9/16/2016 7:35:51 AM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
tnteacher101 Morristown, TN 66, joined Aug. 2010	Quote from ludlowlowell: Tnt, did you call your father "Dad"? Do you allow your children to call you that? And what did the early Christians have as an authority besides the Church, before the books of the New Testament were actually written? (All they had was the authority of the Church, of which Paul was a bishop). Low: Of course it is appropriate to call our Earthly Father "Father" since he is our biological Father but Yeshua made it more than clear to not call anyone else Father. No where in the Bible was Paul called a Bishop. You are still not showing any evidence at all for the reason you call Paul your "Father" and you are not showing any evidence why you call the Catholic Priests "Father". And, there is certainly no evidence in the Bible where it is appropriate to call your Popie you "Holy Father". The reason you are not showing Bible verses to support calling Catholic Priests "Father" and calling your Popie "Holy Father" is simply because there is no evidence in the Bible to back up your claims. It appears more than evident to me that you are worshiping your Catholic Church and your Pope instead of Yahweh. You need to sharpen up while there still may be time. You need to ask forgiveness for such sins and then turn from those sins. It is obvious to me that the Catholic Church likes high sounding titles of man just like Paul wanted to be called high important sounding titles of man. Steve
9/16/2016 8:05:39 AM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 63, joined Feb. 2008 online now!	Jesus said, call no man father. Not, call mo priest father. Not, call mo man except your own father father. If you take Jesus literally, tge words "Father", "Dad", "Pop", and even "sir" (sire) are forbidden. This is not what Jesus meant. Jesus meant that the Father God's authority supersedes all other authority, even one's own natural father's authority. Acts 1:20 specifically says that an apostle and a bishop are the same thing, and in many places on scripture Paul is called an apostle. Like it or not, Paul's writings, and the writings of Paul's friend Luke, ARE in the Bible. We can't cherry-pick the Bible.
9/16/2016 9:25:17 AM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
kb2222 Jacksonville, FL 75, joined Apr. 2011 online now!	Jesus was clearly teaching to His followers the spiritual Fatherhood of God NOT the spiritual fatherhood of Popes and priests of the Catholic church and all your "stupid" reasons not to abide clearly exemplify your church indoctrinated rebellious nature, Ludlow.

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