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4/22/2016 1:15:29 PM The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!  

tnteacher101
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Quote from kb2222:
How do you see your lying BS as a honest and sincere response and answer to my post? You are so dishonest and perverted you don't appear to place any value on truth and morality. How the hell did you make yourself so despicable and ungodly?


KB: You always ask me questions and pretend you know the answer to those questions you ask. The fact is that I don't think you have a clue as to what the answers to your questions are. So, you ask people like me that have painstakingly studied the Bible and are enlightened as to what the Bible truly means. In asking your somewhat primitive/elementary questions you are attempting/hoping to gain knowledge and wisdom and elevate yourself to the status of the person you are trying to glean answers from. This is a ploy you use that I have understood all along. My advise to you is to start reading the real Bible instead of reading the fake and for the most part worthless Urantia Book. If you will notice the Urantia Book is not called a Bible but instead is simply called a book. The Urantia Book was never meant to be a book of truths but has always been a book of fiction. Books of fiction, such as the strangely written and worded Urantia Book, is for the most part worthless for anyone that is attempting to gain knowledge or wisdom of the Bible. I hope I have explained this simple matter in a way that you and Furch can somehow/someway finally comprehend it. Maybe from now on you will only read the Urantia Book late at night when you are having difficulty/trouble sleeping. I know of no other book that would be as useful/valuable as the Urantia Book would be in boring a person to the point of peaceful or un-peaceful slumber.

Steve

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4/22/2016 1:25:43 PM The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!  

kb2222
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Again, how do you see your lying BS as a honest and sincere response and answer to my post, Steve? You are so dishonest and perverted you don't appear to place any value on truth and morality. How the hell did you make yourself so despicable and ungodly?

Quote from kb2222:
You are screwed up as usual. That post is to prop not me. How the hell do you make such mistakes? Can't you read your own posts? And you still haven't responded to my post and answered my question which I again repeat.

Quote from kb2222:
The Sermon on the Mount whether you call it that or not is the entire chapter 5 of Matthew not just verses 3-12, Steve. And as I said only a morally and spiritually debased "spouter of lies" like you would assert that Jesus while giving the Sermon on the Mount and the laws of "blessedness" that He was telling his disciples to keep on killing people for all those absurd OT laws/reasons I listed.

Are you so morally and spiritually depraved that you actually believe people should still be stoned and burnt to death at the stake for all these reasons to "please" God, including yourself, Steve?

Well, Steve answer my question if you are not screwed-up and/or depraved and/or corrupt.


4/22/2016 3:05:36 PM The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!  

tnteacher101
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Quote from kb2222:
Again, how do you see your lying BS as a honest and sincere response and answer to my post, Steve? You are so dishonest and perverted you don't appear to place any value on truth and morality. How the hell did you make yourself so despicable and ungodly?

Quote from kb2222:
You are screwed up as usual. That post is to prop not me. How the hell do you make such mistakes? Can't you read your own posts? And you still haven't responded to my post and answered my question which I again repeat.

Quote from kb2222:
The Sermon on the Mount whether you call it that or not is the entire chapter 5 of Matthew not just verses 3-12, Steve. And as I said only a morally and spiritually debased "spouter of lies" like you would assert that Jesus while giving the Sermon on the Mount and the laws of "blessedness" that He was telling his disciples to keep on killing people for all those absurd OT laws/reasons I listed.

Are you so morally and spiritually depraved that you actually believe people should still be stoned and burnt to death at the stake for all these reasons to "please" God, including yourself, Steve?

Well, Steve answer my question if you are not screwed-up and/or depraved and/or corrupt.


KB: Again another ploy to attempt to con me into answering the same question you have asked over and over and over again. Is that the only question you can think of? Is that the outer limits of your knowledge/wisdom of the Bible? You tend to get hung up on questions that a small child could have figured out the first time they were introduced to the Bible. If I answered you simple question again then I am sure you would ask me the very same question again this evening or possibly/maybe tomorrow. You need to progress past that page of the Bible and go to some part that would be more productive and helpful for you to start understanding Yahweh's Word.

Steve

4/22/2016 3:19:32 PM The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!  

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Clearly, you are just to morally and spiritually depraved to honestly respond.

4/22/2016 6:26:35 PM The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!  

tnteacher101
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Quote from kb2222:
Clearly, you are just to morally and spiritually depraved to honestly respond.


KB: I would like to know what denomination of church, if any, you have ever been affiliated with. I have made it clear that I grew up going to Southern Baptist Churches but they were teaching the good tidings of Paul and ignored the teachings of Moses, the Prophets, Yeshua and the true 12 Apostles for the most part. It was mostly a waste of my time to go there except for the fact that I learned very well how most churches operate and how they are only interested in power and money.

Steve

4/22/2016 7:27:24 PM The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!  

kb2222
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It doesn't matter, Steve. You are only changing the subject because you are to corrupt to honestly respond to my post and answer my question.

4/22/2016 9:11:13 PM The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!  

tnteacher101
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Quote from kb2222:
It doesn't matter, Steve. You are only changing the subject because you are to corrupt to honestly respond to my post and answer my question.


KB: If I didn't change the subject from time to time you would continue to ask the same question over and over again and over again and no progress would be made in discussing Yahweh's word. By changing the subject from time to time I am assisting and certainly not harming you.

Steve

4/22/2016 9:25:16 PM The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!  

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Quote from tnteacher101:
KB: If I didn't change the subject from time to time you would continue to ask the same question over and over again and over again and no progress would be made in discussing Yahweh's word. By changing the subject from time to time I am assisting and certainly not harming you.

Steve

Well, just cut out the deceitful lying crap and respond to my post.

Quote from kb2222:
The Sermon on the Mount whether you call it that or not is the entire chapter 5 of Matthew not just verses 3-12, Steve. And as I said only a morally and spiritually debased "spouter of lies" like you would assert that Jesus while giving the Sermon on the Mount and the laws of "blessedness" that He was telling his disciples to keep on killing people for all those absurd OT laws/reasons I listed.

Are you so morally and spiritually depraved that you actually believe people should still be stoned and burnt to death at the stake for all these reasons to "please" God, including yourself, Steve?

Well, Steve answer my question if you are not screwed-up and/or depraved and/or corrupt.

4/22/2016 9:47:01 PM The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!  

tnteacher101
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Quote from kb2222:
Well, just cut out the deceitful lying crap and respond to my post.

Quote from kb2222:
The Sermon on the Mount whether you call it that or not is the entire chapter 5 of Matthew not just verses 3-12, Steve. And as I said only a morally and spiritually debased "spouter of lies" like you would assert that Jesus while giving the Sermon on the Mount and the laws of "blessedness" that He was telling his disciples to keep on killing people for all those absurd OT laws/reasons I listed.

Are you so morally and spiritually depraved that you actually believe people should still be stoned and burnt to death at the stake for all these reasons to "please" God, including yourself, Steve?

Well, Steve answer my question if you are not screwed-up and/or depraved and/or corrupt.


KB: I am sensing that you have a severe case of dementia. You repeat yourself over and over and over again. It is okay to tell me. I promise I will not tell anyone else.

Steve

4/22/2016 10:07:04 PM The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!  

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Quote from tnteacher101:
KB: I am sensing that you have a severe case of dementia. You repeat yourself over and over and over again. It is okay to tell me. I promise I will not tell anyone else.

Steve

Well, just cut out the deceitful lying crap and respond to my post.

4/22/2016 10:32:17 PM The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!  

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Quote from kb2222:
Well, just cut out the deceitful lying crap and respond to my post.


KB: I am being very honest with you. It appears that you have a medical/mental condition that is causing you to behave in the strange manner that you are behaving. It is certainly not normal to repeat yourself over and over again like you do. When is the last time you have been to your family doctor? I am here to help you and not hurt you in any way.

Steve

4/22/2016 10:32:58 PM The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!  

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Now TNT claims that the blood of Jesus our Savior is not the atoning sacrifice for our sins.

BUT WHAT DO GOD'S APOSTLES SAY????

The Apostle Peter wrote in I Peter 1:17-19: For you know it was not with perishable things such as silver and gold that you were **REDEEMED** from the empty way of life handed down to you from your forefathers, but with the **PRECIOUS BLOOD OF CHRIST**, a Lamb without blemish or defect!!

Isaiah 53:5,6: But He was pierced for our transgressions, He was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was upon Him, and **BY HIS WOUNDS WE ARE HEALED**. We all, like sheep, have gone astray, each of us has turned to his own way; and the Lord has laid on Him the iniquity of us all!!

I Peter 2:24,25: He Himself bore our sins in his body on a tree, so that we might die to sins and live for righteousness, **BY HIS WOUNDS WE ARE HEALED!. For you were like sheep going astray , but now you have returned to the Shepherd and Overseer of your souls!

The apostle John wrote in I John 2:1,2: But if anybody does sin, we have One who speaks in our defense--Jesus Christ, the Righteous One. **HE IS THE ATONING SACRIFICE FOR OUR SINS**. And not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world!

I John 4:10: This is love; not that we loved God, but that He loved us, and sent His Son as **AN ATONING SACRIFICE FOR OUR SINS**!

Revelation 22:16,18,19: "I, Jesus. have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the Churches.... I warn everyone who hears the words of this prophecy of this Book: If anyone *ADDS* anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this Book {Including **ETERNAL HELL**} And if anyone **TAKES WORDS AWAY** from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the Tree of Life and in the Holy City {The New Jerusalem}, which are described in this book."

Revelation 1:5: From Jesus Christ, to Him who loves and has **FREED US FROM OUR SINS BY HIS BLOOD**!! Which TNT totally disagrees with and commits the unpardonable sin of **TAKING WORDS AWAY** from the book of Revelation!!

Revelation 5:9: "You are worthy to take the scroll and to open its seals, because You were slain and **WITH YOUR BLOOD** purchased men for God from every tribe and language and people and nation!!"






4/23/2016 1:28:55 AM The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!  

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Quote from prophetic774:
Now TNT claims that the blood of Jesus our Savior is not the atoning sacrifice for our sins.

BUT WHAT DO GOD'S APOSTLES SAY????

The Apostle Peter wrote in I Peter 1:17-19: For you know it was not with perishable things such as silver and gold that you were **REDEEMED** from the empty way of life handed down to you from your forefathers, but with the **PRECIOUS BLOOD OF CHRIST**, a Lamb without blemish or defect!!

Isaiah 53:5,6: But He was pierced for our transgressions, He was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was upon Him, and **BY HIS WOUNDS WE ARE HEALED**. We all, like sheep, have gone astray, each of us has turned to his own way; and the Lord has laid on Him the iniquity of us all!!
BY HIS WOUNDS WE ARE HEALED
I Peter 2:24,25: He Himself bore our sins in his body on a tree, so that we might die to sins and live for righteousness, **BY HIS WOUNDS WE ARE HEALED!. For you were like sheep going astray , but now you have returned to the Shepherd and Overseer of your souls!

The apostle John wrote in I John 2:1,2: But if anybody does sin, we have One who speaks in our defense--Jesus Christ, the Righteous One. **HE IS THE ATONING SACRIFICE FOR OUR SINS**. And not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world!

I John 4:10: This is love; not that we loved God, but that He loved us, and sent His Son as **AN ATONING SACRIFICE FOR OUR SINS**!

Revelation 22:16,18,19: "I, Jesus. have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the Churches.... I warn everyone who hears the words of this prophecy of this Book: If anyone *ADDS* anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this Book {Including **ETERNAL HELL**} And if anyone **TAKES WORDS AWAY** from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the Tree of Life and in the Holy City {The New Jerusalem}, which are described in this book."

Revelation 1:5: From Jesus Christ, to Him who loves and has **FREED US FROM OUR SINS BY HIS BLOOD**!! Which TNT totally disagrees with and commits the unpardonable sin of **TAKING WORDS AWAY** from the book of Revelation!!

Revelation 5:9: "You are worthy to take the scroll and to open its seals, because You were slain and **WITH YOUR BLOOD** purchased men for God from every tribe and language and people and nation!!"






Prop: It was by the "Life" of Yeshua that we are able to get forgiveness for our sins. Yeshua was the Word made flesh so if we follow Yahweh's Word/Laws/Torah and Commands we are forgiven. This is a very big "if" because if we do not follow Yahweh's Laws/Torah and Commands we are simply not forgiven of our sins. If and when we do break one of Yahweh's Laws/Torah and Commands then we must simply ask Yahweh for forgiveness of that sin and then completely turn from that sin. Every time a Bible verse says the Blood of Yeshua it simply means the life of Yeshua. Without blood there is no life.

In First Peter 1:17-19: The Apostle Peter wrote in I Peter 1:17-19: For you know it was not with perishable things such as silver and gold that you were **REDEEMED** from the empty way of life handed down to you from your forefathers, but with the **PRECIOUS BLOOD OF CHRIST**, a Lamb without blemish or defect!!

To make the above verse more clear we add the word "life" in the above sentence like this: The Precious Blood/"Life" of Yeshua

Without the the Blood/Life of Yeshua our savior would not have been able to have existed so of course Yeshua's Blood/Life was more than important.

In Revelation 1:5: From Jesus Christ, to Him who loves and has **FREED US FROM OUR SINS BY HIS BLOOD**

Again we add the word life: FREED US FROM OUR SINS BY HIS BLOOD/"Life" and this simplifies the verse and it makes much more sense now.

And one more time in Revelation 5:9: "You are worthy to take the scroll and to open its seals, because You were slain and **WITH YOUR BLOOD** purchased men for God from every tribe and language and people and nation!!"

And yet again for the above verse to make more sense we add life: WITH YOUR BLOOD/"Life"

Prop: Do you now understand that the Blood is the life of a person just like the Blood was the Life of Yeshua. I am sure when the word Blood of Yeshua was oritinally written in the Bible it was understood that it meant the "life" of Yeshua.

I am very glad you brought this misunderstanding of the word "Blood" to our attention so it could be clarified. From now on when the word "Blood" is used you can simplify the sentence by substituting the word "Life" and it will make much more sense to you and everyone else as well.

Steve

4/23/2016 8:57:39 AM The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!  

kb2222
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Quote from tnteacher101:
KB: I am being very honest with you. It appears that you have a medical/mental condition that is causing you to behave in the strange manner that you are behaving. It is certainly not normal to repeat yourself over and over again like you do. When is the last time you have been to your family doctor? I am here to help you and not hurt you in any way.

Steve

You are not honest. You are a liar spewing out lies. Respond and answer my question and there will be no need for me to keep repeating my request. Are you so mentally ill that you can't understand that, Steve?

Quote from kb2222:
The Sermon on the Mount whether you call it that or not is the entire chapters 5-7 of Matthew not just verses 3-12, Steve. And as I said only a morally and spiritually debased "spouter of lies" like you would assert that Jesus while giving the Sermon on the Mount and the laws of "blessedness" that He was telling his disciples to keep on killing people for all those absurd OT laws/reasons I listed.

Are you so morally and spiritually depraved that you actually believe people should still be stoned and burnt to death at the stake for all those reasons to "please" God, including yourself, Steve?



[Edited 4/23/2016 9:00:29 AM ]

4/23/2016 1:46:10 PM The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!  

tnteacher101
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Quote from kb2222:
You are not honest. You are a liar spewing out lies. Respond and answer my question and there will be no need for me to keep repeating my request. Are you so mentally ill that you can't understand that, Steve?

Quote from kb2222:
The Sermon on the Mount whether you call it that or not is the entire chapters 5-7 of Matthew not just verses 3-12, Steve. And as I said only a morally and spiritually debased "spouter of lies" like you would assert that Jesus while giving the Sermon on the Mount and the laws of "blessedness" that He was telling his disciples to keep on killing people for all those absurd OT laws/reasons I listed.

Are you so morally and spiritually depraved that you actually believe people should still be stoned and burnt to death at the stake for all those reasons to "please" God, including yourself, Steve?


KB: It appears that you have me mixed up with Paul. Paul was the "spouter of lies". Do you get confused and disoriented often? Do you prefer being by yourself most of the time as opposed to being around other people? Do you often try to find fault with others? Have you ever read the Old Testament? What is it about the cult Urantia book that you like so well? I have tried to be your friend but it appears that you delight in pushing others away from you. Have you always been this way? What is the reason you didn't answer my questions in my previous post?

Steve

4/24/2016 8:42:19 AM The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!  

kb2222
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Quote from tnteacher101:
KB: It appears that you have me mixed up with Paul. Paul was the "spouter of lies". Do you get confused and disoriented often? Do you prefer being by yourself most of the time as opposed to being around other people? Do you often try to find fault with others? Have you ever read the Old Testament? What is it about the cult Urantia book that you like so well? I have tried to be your friend but it appears that you delight in pushing others away from you. Have you always been this way? What is the reason you didn't answer my questions in my previous post?

Steve

As I said only a morally and spiritually debased "spouter of lies" like you would assert that Jesus while giving the Sermon on the Mount and the laws of "blessedness" that He was telling his disciples to keep on killing people for all those absurd OT laws/reasons I listed.

Are you so morally and spiritually depraved that you actually believe people should still be stoned and burnt to death at the stake for all those reasons to "please" God, including yourself, Steve?

4/24/2016 11:37:45 AM The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!  

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Quote from kb2222:
As I said only a morally and spiritually debased "spouter of lies" like you would assert that Jesus while giving the Sermon on the Mount and the laws of "blessedness" that He was telling his disciples to keep on killing people for all those absurd OT laws/reasons I listed.

Are you so morally and spiritually depraved that you actually believe people should still be stoned and burnt to death at the stake for all those reasons to "please" God, including yourself, Steve?


KB: No where in the Bible does anyone call Matthew Chapters 5-7 the Sermon on the Mount. Does your false and deceitful Urantia Book call those chapters the Sermon on the Mount?

I have explained over and over to you that it is best to have the punishment fit the crime. Evil people will simply continue to commit evil and wicked crimes over and over again. If those evil people are allowed to go to Yahweh before they commit too many heinous crimes then they just may escape having to go to that more than warm place to spend eternity. I have to trust the decision of Yahweh in making the decision as to what to do with people that commit such evil crimes. If you don't trust Yahweh's judgment then I will have to say that you simply on the wrong team. You may want to start studying the Bible more so you will be more likely to make better decisions.

Steve

4/24/2016 12:19:34 PM The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!  

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In the OT God ordered Israel to kill their enemies many times and God helped them do it. However in the NT Jesus commands, "Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you. If someone strikes you on one cheek, turn to him the other also." Luke 6:27-29

Leviticus 26:7,8: God said to Israel, "You will pursue your enemies, and they will fall by the SWORD before you. Five of you will chase a hundred, and a hundred of you will chase ten thousand, and your enemies will fall by the SWORD before you!" Numbers 25:16,17" The Lord said to Moses, "Treat the Midianites as enemies and kill them!" etc etc

HOWEVER IN THE NEW COVENANT, JESUS SAYS, "ALL WHO DRAW THE SWORD WILL DIE BY THE SWORD!"

Jesus said to His 11 Apostles, "If you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one. For it is written: "And He was numbered with the transgressors"{Isaiah 53:12} and I tell you that this must be fulfilled in Me. Yes, what is written about Me is reaching its fulfillment." The disciples said, "See Lord, here are 2 {Not 11}swords." "That is enough." Jesus replied.

Matthew 26:30-34: They seized Jesus and arrested Him. With that, one of Jesus' companions reached for his sword, drew it out and struck the servant of the high priest, cutting off his ear. "Put your sword back in its place," Jesus said to him, "For *ALL* who draw the sword will die by the sword...But how then would the Scriptures be fulfilled that say it must happen in this way?"

And so the only reason that Jesus allowed the disciples to have 2 swords was so that the Scripture in Isaiah 53:12 would be fulfilled: "He was numbered among the transgressors."

Jesus said to Pilate, "My Kingdom is not of this world. If it were, My servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jews. But **NOW** My Kingdom is from another place!"

Former OT commands in Exodus 21:23-25 "If there is serious injury, you are to take life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, bruise for bruise."

This was changed by these NT commands by Jesus:

Matthew 5:38,39: Jesus commands, "You have heard that it was said {In Exodus 21:23-25 above}, 'Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.' But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek turn to him the other also!"

Luke 6:27-29: Jesus commands, "LOVE YOUR ENEMIES, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. If someone strikes you on one cheek, turn to him the other also. If someone takes your cloak, do not stop him from taking your tunic. Give to everyone who asks you, and if anyone takes what belongs to you. do not demand it back!"

Romans 12:18-21: If it is possible, as far as it DEPENDS ON YOU, LIVE AT PEACE WITH EVERYONE! Do not take revenge my friends, but leave room for God's wrath, for it is written, "It is mine to revenge, I will repay," says the Lord. On the contrary "If your enemy is hungry, feed him. If he is thirsty, give him something to drink. In doing this, you will heap burning coals on his head" Do not be overcome by evil but OVERCOME EVIL WITH GOOD!!

2 Corinthians 10:3,4: "For though we live in the world, we do not wage war as the world does. The weapons we fight with are *NOT* the weapons of the world."

The only weapons that NT saints may use who follow the New Covenant commands of Jesus is the Sword of the Spirit which is the Word of God. A NT saint would not even think of joining the army of any nation and becoming a professional killer or defending himself with a gun. Unfortunately very few Groups such as the Amish and Mennonites still obey these sacred commands of Jesus.

I John 2:3-5: "We know that we have come to know Him if we obey His {Jesus'} commands. The man who says, "I know him," but does not do what He {Jesus} commands is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But if anyone obeys His Word, God's love is truly made complete in him."

The inspired words of the NT were inspired by God between AD 50 and AD 96 and the 4 Gospels were written about AD 65 And so all of the approximately 400 NT commands were not completed and in force until Around AD 96.

When you join the military and become a professional killer you must make a **VOW** that you will obey all the commands of your commanding officer. And so if He commands you to drop an Atomic Bomb that will kill about 100,000 civilians including about 25,000 innocent children you must obey this command!!!

What is th OT command concerning *VOWS* and *OATHS*?? Numbers 30:2: Moses said, "This is what the Lord commands: When a man makes a *VOW* to the Lord or takes an *OATH* to obligate himself by a pledge, he must not break his word but must do everything he said!"

What are the NT commands concerning making *VOWS* and **OATHS*??

James 5:12: "ABOVE ALL, my brothers, do not swear--not by heaven or by earth or by anything else. Let your "Yes" be yes, and your "No," no, or you will be condemned.!!"

Matthew 5:33-37: Jesus says, "You have heard that it was said to your people long ago {Numbers 30:2 above}, 'Do not break your oath, but keep the oaths you have made to the Lord.' BUT I tell you, Do not swear at all....Simply let your 'Yes' be 'Yes,' and your 'No, 'No'; anything beyond this comes from the evil one!!"

Anyone who claims that Jesus did not change OT laws is completely blind. All of the OT Sabbath laws have been eliminated. All of the OT sacrificial and temple laws have been eliminated by the eternal sacrifice for sins by Jesus. All of the stoning to death laws for breaking the law have been eliminated. All of the laws concerning killing your enemies, and eye for an eye and making oaths have been eliminated. All Circumcision laws have been eliminated. And Jesus declared that all foods are now *CLEAN*!!

Mark 7:18,19: Jesus says, "Are you so dull?" He asked. "Don't you see that nothing that enters a man from the outside can make him 'unclean'? For it doesn't go into his heart but into his stomach, and then out of his body." In saying this. Jesus declared ALL FOODS "CLEAN!"



4/24/2016 3:04:51 PM The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!  

kb2222
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Quote from tnteacher101:
KB: No where in the Bible does anyone call Matthew Chapters 5-7 the Sermon on the Mount. Does your false and deceitful Urantia Book call those chapters the Sermon on the Mount?

The Bible can't call anything, Steve, its a book and you are WRONG. The Sermon on the Mount is Matthew Chapters 5-7. Google it on biblegateway.com or you can consider what wikipedia.org says:

"The Sermon on the Mount is the longest piece of teaching from Jesus in the New Testament, and occupies chapters 5, 6 and 7 of the Gospel of Matthew. "

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sermon_on_the_Mount

I have explained over and over to you that it is best to have the punishment fit the crime. Evil people will simply continue to commit evil and wicked crimes over and over again. If those evil people are allowed to go to Yahweh before they commit too many heinous crimes then they just may escape having to go to that more than warm place to spend eternity. I have to trust the decision of Yahweh in making the decision as to what to do with people that commit such evil crimes. If you don't trust Yahweh's judgment then I will have to say that you simply on the wrong team. You may want to start studying the Bible more so you will be more likely to make better decisions.

Steve

Read the list you perverted idiot, they are not "evil and wicked crimes" and you saying God had to have man kill them to save them from committing future "heinous crimes" to prevent them from going to hell is absolutely ludicrous. You are undoubtedly as wicked-minded and murderous as the Levitical Priests were, Steve. That being so why do you evade directly answering my question?

Are you so morally and spiritually depraved that you actually believe people should still be stoned and burnt to death at the stake for all those reasons to "please" God, including yourself, Steve?

4/24/2016 7:47:45 PM The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!  

tnteacher101
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Quote from kb2222:
Read the list you perverted idiot, they are not "evil and wicked crimes" and you saying God had to have man kill them to save them from committing future "heinous crimes" to prevent them from going to hell is absolutely ludicrous. You are undoubtedly as wicked-minded and murderous as the Levitical Priests were, Steve. That being so why do you evade directly answering my question?

Are you so morally and spiritually depraved that you actually believe people should still be stoned and burnt to death at the stake for all those reasons to "please" God, including yourself, Steve?


Silly KB: It is not what you think or what I think that counts but it is what Yahweh thinks/decides that is truly important. If Yahweh says that those crimes you listed are evil then they are evil. You should not be second guessing Yahweh. You simply do not have any authority to do so. You need to sharpen up while there still may be time for you to change your ways and your thinking before it is too late. It appears that you are walking on a very thin wire over a huge and deep canyon and you are shifting and stumbling. You must be very cautious.

Steve

4/24/2016 8:22:53 PM The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!  

kb2222
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Quote from tnteacher101:
Silly KB: It is not what you think or what I think that counts but it is what Yahweh thinks/decides that is truly important. If Yahweh says that those crimes you listed are evil then they are evil. You should not be second guessing Yahweh. You simply do not have any authority to do so. You need to sharpen up while there still may be time for you to change your ways and your thinking before it is too late. It appears that you are walking on a very thin wire over a huge and deep canyon and you are shifting and stumbling. You must be very cautious.

Steve

You are truly mentally, morally and spiritually insane/corrupt if you don't know righteousness from wickedness or don't care. If you believe everything in the OT is God's word no matter what it says and must be followed to this day then go see a Rabbi and tell him to kill you to "please" God in accordance with Exodus 31:12-15.

You are truly despicably illogical, immoral and corrupt, Steve.

4/24/2016 9:28:04 PM The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!  

tnteacher101
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Quote from kb2222:
You are truly mentally, morally and spiritually insane/corrupt if you don't know righteousness from wickedness or don't care. If you believe everything in the OT is God's word no matter what it says and must be followed to this day then go see a Rabbi and tell him to kill you to "please" God in accordance with Exodus 31:12-15.

You are truly despicably illogical, immoral and corrupt, Steve.


KB: I think you are only teasing yourself when you say such things as what you said above. Like I have said before what we now call the Old Testament was the only Testament when Yeshua was living on this Earth. If there had been any major problems/issues when the Old Testament then Yeshua would have alerted us to the problems. Yeshua gave no alerts to problems in the Testament so everything must have been for the most part correct. Like I said in my previous post you are simply grasping for straws by saying there are major problems with the Old Testament. You are questioning the authority of Yahweh and that is more than a dangerous path for you to take.

Steve

4/25/2016 9:12:49 AM The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!  

kb2222
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Quote from tnteacher101:
KB: I think you are only teasing yourself when you say such things as what you said above. Like I have said before what we now call the Old Testament was the only Testament when Yeshua was living on this Earth. If there had been any major problems/issues when the Old Testament then Yeshua would have alerted us to the problems. Yeshua gave no alerts to problems in the Testament so everything must have been for the most part correct. Like I said in my previous post you are simply grasping for straws by saying there are major problems with the Old Testament. You are questioning the authority of Yahweh and that is more than a dangerous path for you to take.

Steve

You ae a perverted idiot, Steve. Read the "Sermon on the Mount" Matthew 5-7 and you will clearly see how utterly absurd is your claim that Jesus had no problems with the OT teachings of the scribes and Pharisees.

And again, read the list of the reasons for killing people I posted. They are not "evil and wicked crimes" as you in your warped mind claim and you saying God had to have man kill them to save them from committing future "heinous crimes" to prevent them from going to hell is absolutely ludicrous. You are undoubtedly as wicked-minded and murderous in your heart as the OT Levitical Priests, Steve.

Anyone such as you in this day and time that advocates that people should still be stoned and burnt to death at the stake for all those reasons to "please" God is surely morally and spiritually corrupt/INSANE. Go see a Rabbi and tell him to kill you to "please" God in accordance with Exodus 31:12-15 if you believe that's God's will, Steve.

4/25/2016 12:30:22 PM The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!  

ludlowlowell
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Is everyone who disagrees with you perverted, KB? I happen to agree with you, not Tnteacher, on this issue, but calling Tnteacher a pervert is crossing the line into personal insult territory, don't you think?

4/25/2016 12:42:11 PM The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!  

kb2222
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Is everyone who disagrees with you perverted, KB? I happen to agree with you, not Tnteacher, on this issue, but calling Tnteacher a pervert is crossing the line into personal insult territory, don't you think?

No, I don't. Only a morally and spiritually corrupt person like Steve would advocate that people should still be stoned and burnt to death at the stake for all those OT reasons I posted to "please" God. And I don't think just saying to Steve I disagree does the issue justice.

4/25/2016 1:36:31 PM The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!  

ludlowlowell
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You don't think calling someone perverted and corrupt is personal?

4/25/2016 2:15:40 PM The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!  

tnteacher101
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Quote from kb2222:
No, I don't. Only a morally and spiritually corrupt person like Steve would advocate that people should still be stoned and burnt to death at the stake for all those OT reasons I posted to "please" God. And I don't think just saying to Steve I disagree does the issue justice.


KB: The sad and pitiful way you have been behaving doesn't make me think you are following the example of Yeshua. If I am not mistaken we are supposed to follow the example of Yeshua if at all possible. Yeshua rested/worshiped on the true Sabbath Day which was Saturday. Yeshua did not eat the scavenging unclean animals. Those filthy animals will destroy your bodies and cause you to be considered unclean and not holy. Yeshua honored/observed Yahweh's Holy Days. It appears that both you and Low have some things you need to start doing if you are going to follow the example of Yeshua. To me these sounds like simple laws to understand and to abide by but both of you seem to be having lots of difficulty following Yeshua's example. If you will ask Yeshua for help on these simple issues I think He will assist you in doing the right thing.

Steve

4/25/2016 3:33:26 PM The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!  

kb2222
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You ae a perverted idiot, Steve. Read the "Sermon on the Mount" Matthew 5-7 and you will clearly see how utterly absurd is your claim that Jesus had no problems with the OT teachings of the scribes and Pharisees.

And again, read the list of the reasons for killing people I posted. They are not "evil and wicked crimes" as you in your warped mind claim and you saying God had to have man kill them to save them from committing future "heinous crimes" to prevent them from going to hell is absolutely ludicrous. You are undoubtedly as wicked-minded and murderous in your heart as the OT Levitical Priests, Steve.

Anyone such as you in this day and time that advocates that people should still be stoned and burnt to death at the stake for all those reasons to "please" God is surely morally and spiritually corrupt/INSANE. Go see a Rabbi and tell him to kill you to "please" God in accordance with Exodus 31:12-15 if you believe that's God's will, Steve.

4/25/2016 4:45:25 PM The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!  

tnteacher101
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Quote from kb2222:
You ae a perverted idiot, Steve. Read the "Sermon on the Mount" Matthew 5-7 and you will clearly see how utterly absurd is your claim that Jesus had no problems with the OT teachings of the scribes and Pharisees.

And again, read the list of the reasons for killing people I posted. They are not "evil and wicked crimes" as you in your warped mind claim and you saying God had to have man kill them to save them from committing future "heinous crimes" to prevent them from going to hell is absolutely ludicrous. You are undoubtedly as wicked-minded and murderous in your heart as the OT Levitical Priests, Steve.

Anyone such as you in this day and time that advocates that people should still be stoned and burnt to death at the stake for all those reasons to "please" God is surely morally and spiritually corrupt/INSANE. Go see a Rabbi and tell him to kill you to "please" God in accordance with Exodus 31:12-15 if you believe that's God's will, Steve.


KB: It is more than obvious to me that the teachings of your Urantia Book are leading you in a perverted path that will continue to cover your thoughts with gloom and doom. You seem to think everyone else is wrong and you are the only one that is correct. You refuse to read the true Bible because you are so determined that the Urantia Book has replaced Yahweh's Bible. The only two people that I know of that believes the more than corrupt Urantia Book are you and Furch. I see very little hope for either of you unless you cast that silly book in the fire and burn it and every book like it until it is totally and completely consumed. When you finally get that corrupt book out of your mind then you need to start reading Yahweh's Bible. When you read the Bible I would suggest that you basically ignore the teachings of the murderer, tare and false apostle Paul's letters because they were not up to snuff, so to speak in the first place. Paul's letters were inserted in the Bible by Constantine and the Catholic Priests in 325 AD and Paul's teachings do not agree with the teachings of Moses, the Prophets, Yeshua and the true 12 Apostles. Our Bible has some flaws but it is the best that we have today to study so we can understand Yahweh's Laws/Torah and Commands.

Steve

4/25/2016 5:59:54 PM The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!  

kb2222
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Obviously you are such a perverted screwed-up liar you can't intelligently and honestly respond to posts, Steve. You are truly sick and perverted.

4/26/2016 7:29:56 AM The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!  

tnteacher101
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Quote from kb2222:
Obviously you are such a perverted screwed-up liar you can't intelligently and honestly respond to posts, Steve. You are truly sick and perverted.


KB: I will gladly stand corrected when I am incorrect but that is simply not the case. It is you and your Urantia Book that is truly sick, perverted and deceitful. You may want to politely discard your fake Bible and start reading the real Bible for a change. A word to the wise should be more than sufficient.

Steve

4/26/2016 9:20:43 AM The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!  

kb2222
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Quote from kb2222:
You ae a perverted idiot, Steve. Read the "Sermon on the Mount" Matthew 5-7 and you will clearly see how utterly absurd is your claim that Jesus had no problems with the OT teachings of the scribes and Pharisees.

And again, read the list of the reasons for killing people I posted. They are not "evil and wicked crimes" as you in your warped mind claim and you saying God had to have man kill them to save them from committing future "heinous crimes" to prevent them from going to hell is absolutely ludicrous. You are undoubtedly as wicked-minded and murderous in your heart as the OT Levitical Priests, Steve.

Anyone such as you in this day and time that advocates that people should still be stoned and burnt to death at the stake for all those reasons to "please" God is surely morally and spiritually corrupt/INSANE. Go see a Rabbi and tell him to kill you to "please" God in accordance with Exodus 31:12-15 if you believe that's God's will, Steve.


4/26/2016 1:54:46 PM The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!  

tnteacher101
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KB: It appears that you are more than slow to understand simple truths. I have said when Yahweh was the King of the Twelve Tribes Yahweh would command the Twelve Tribes to stone people for breaking Yahweh's Laws/Torah and Commands. It you will read the Bible you may be able to grasp this truth.

KB: I have asked you before but I will ask again. Have you read all of the Bible? There is no need for you to be shy about answering this question. Normally when I ask you a specific question you run and hide. You need to start standing up to the plate and be counted for either being on the side of Yahweh or being the side of the evil one. There are only two choices. The Bible plainly tells us to be either hot or cold and not lukewarm. It appears that you are always lukewarm. The Bible plainly tells you to not be lukewarm.

Steve

4/26/2016 2:21:21 PM The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!  

kb2222
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Obviously you are such a perverted screwed-up liar you can't intelligently and honestly respond to what I said in my post, Steve. That's exactly why you don't quote and respond to what I said and you know it.

4/26/2016 7:47:01 PM The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!  

tnteacher101
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Quote from kb2222:
Obviously you are such a perverted screwed-up liar you can't intelligently and honestly respond to what I said in my post, Steve. That's exactly why you don't quote and respond to what I said and you know it.


KB: I am not sure why you always avoid answering my questions. I always answer your more than silly questions. I am guessing the reason you are bashful about answering my questions is because you are not very familiar with what the Bible teaches. If you would get your face out of the Urantia Book and start reading the Bible you may make some real progress in understanding Yahweh's Laws/Torah and Commands. I am sure it seems more than overwhelming to you but with time it will all make perfect sense to you.

Steve

4/27/2016 8:52:45 AM The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!  

kb2222
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Quote from tnteacher101:
KB: I am not sure why you always avoid answering my questions. I always answer your more than silly questions. I am guessing the reason you are bashful about answering my questions is because you are not very familiar with what the Bible teaches. If you would get your face out of the Urantia Book and start reading the Bible you may make some real progress in understanding Yahweh's Laws/Torah and Commands. I am sure it seems more than overwhelming to you but with time it will all make perfect sense to you.

Steve

You are sick, Steve. You clearly have the deceitful lying mind-set of a perverted and incorrigible reprobate.

4/27/2016 1:26:32 PM The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!  

tnteacher101
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Quote from kb2222:
You are sick, Steve. You clearly have the deceitful lying mind-set of a perverted and incorrigible reprobate.


KB: It appears that you think most everyone is sick except you. When you point your index finger at others your thumb is pointing back toward you. Have you ever considered for a moment that the truly sick one may be none other but you? Have you ever considered that of all the people on this Christian forum that only two people pledge their allegiance to the more than strange Urantia book and you are one of those two? All others on this site read Yahweh's Bible. Have you ever noticed that you are the very person that calls others on this site detestable and vulgar names? Could you tell me why you think so little of everyone on this site and attempt to elevate yourself to a more than superior status?

Steve

4/27/2016 2:59:22 PM The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!  

kb2222
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If you claim not to be a perverted lying idiot then why do you lie and act like one, Steve? Why do you repeatedly deceitfully refuse to quote and honestly respond to each statement I made in this post?

Quote from kb2222:
You ae a perverted idiot, Steve. Read the "Sermon on the Mount" Matthew 5-7 and you will clearly see how utterly absurd is your claim that Jesus had no problems with the OT teachings of the scribes and Pharisees.

And again, read the list of the reasons for killing people I posted. They are not "evil and wicked crimes" as you in your warped mind claim and you saying God had to have man kill them to save them from committing future "heinous crimes" to prevent them from going to hell is absolutely ludicrous. You are undoubtedly as wicked-minded and murderous in your heart as the OT Levitical Priests, Steve.

Anyone such as you in this day and time that advocates that people should still be stoned and burnt to death at the stake for all those reasons to "please" God is surely morally and spiritually corrupt/INSANE. Go see a Rabbi and tell him to kill you to "please" God in accordance with Exodus 31:12-15 if you believe that's God's will, Steve.


4/27/2016 9:15:41 PM The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!  

tnteacher101
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KB: One very important thing you seem to forget is that Yahweh knows the past, present and the future. All those stonings more than likely saved innocent people's lives. I am more than sure Yahweh did it for the benefit of His followers.

Steve

4/28/2016 12:07:23 PM The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!  

prophetic774
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DOES THE PRECIOUS BLOOD OF CHRIST HAS TO BE SPILLED OVER AND OVER AGAIN TO ATONE FOR OUR SINS??

The Apostle Peter wrote in I Peter 1:17-19: For you know it was not with perishable things such as silver and gold that you were **REDEEMED** from the empty way of life handed down to you from your forefathers, but with the **PRECIOUS BLOOD OF CHRIST**, a Lamb without blemish or defect!!

Isaiah 53:5,6: But He was pierced for our transgressions, He was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was upon Him, and **BY HIS WOUNDS WE ARE HEALED**. We all, like sheep, have gone astray, each of us has turned to his own way; and the Lord has laid on Him the iniquity of us all!!

I Peter 2:24,25: He Himself bore our sins in his body on a tree, so that we might die to sins and live for righteousness, **BY HIS WOUNDS WE ARE HEALED!. For you were like sheep going astray , but now you have returned to the Shepherd and Overseer of your souls!

The apostle John wrote in I John 2:1,2: But if anybody does sin, we have One who speaks in our defense--Jesus Christ, the Righteous One. **HE IS THE ATONING SACRIFICE FOR OUR SINS**. And not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world!

I John 4:10: This is love; not that we loved God, but that He loved us, and sent His Son as **AN ATONING SACRIFICE FOR OUR SINS**!

Revelation 22:16,18,19: "I, Jesus. have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the Churches.... I warn everyone who hears the words of this prophecy of this Book: If anyone *ADDS* anything to them Like TNT}, God will add to him the plagues described in this Book {Including **ETERNAL HELL**} And if anyone **TAKES WORDS AWAY** from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the Tree of Life and in the Holy City {The New Jerusalem}, which are described in this book."

Revelation 1:5: From Jesus Christ, to Him who loves and has **FREED US FROM OUR SINS BY HIS BLOOD**!! Which TNT totally disagrees with and commits the unpardonable sin of **TAKING WORDS AWAY** from the book of Revelation!!

Revelation 5:9: "You are worthy to take the scroll and to open its seals, because You were slain and **WITH YOUR BLOOD** purchased men for God from every tribe and language and people and nation!!"

Ephesians 1:3-8; 11; 19-23: Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in the heavenly realms with **EVERY** spiritual blessing in Christ. For He chose us in Him before the creation of the world to be holy and **BLAMELESS** in His sight. In love He predestined us to be adopted as His sons through Jesus Christ, in accordance with His pleasure and will--to the praise of His **GLORIOUS GRACE**, which He has freely given us in the One He loves. In Him we have **REDEMPTION THROUGH HIS BLOOD**, the forgiveness of sins. in accordance the riches of God's grace that He lavished on us with all wisdom and understanding.....In Him we were also **CHOSEN** having been predestined according to the plan of Him who works out everything in conformity with the purpose of His will!!.....That power is like the working of His mighty strength, which He exerted in Christ when He raised Him from the dead and seated Him at His right hand in the heavenly realms, far above all rule and authority, power and dominion, and every title that can be given, not only in the **PRESENT AGE** but also in the one to come. And God paced **ALL THINGS** under His feet and appointed Him {Not a pope}to be the ***HEAD*** over everything for the church, which is His body, the fullness of Him who fills everything in every way!!

Ephesians 2:4-10: Because of His great love for us, God,, who is rich in mercy, made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions--it is **BY GRACE** you have been saved! And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with Him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus, in order that in the coming ages He might show the incomparable riches of His grace, expressed in His kindness to us in Christ Jesus. For it is **BY GRACE** you have been saved, through faith-- and this **NOT FROM YOURSELVES, it is the **GIFT** of God--**NOT BY WORKS**, so that no one can boast. For we are God's workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do!

Ephesians 6:7,8: Serve wholeheartedly, as if you were serving the Lord, not men, because you know that the Lord will **REWARD** everyone for whatever good he does! SALVATION IS 100 PERCENT FREE AND REWARDS ARE 100 PERCENT EARNED!!




4/28/2016 8:01:35 PM The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!  

tnteacher101
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DOES THE PRECIOUS BLOOD OF CHRIST HAS TO BE SPILLED OVER AND OVER AGAIN TO ATONE FOR OUR SINS??

The Apostle Peter wrote in I Peter 1:17-19: For you know it was not with perishable things such as silver and gold that you were **REDEEMED** from the empty way of life handed down to you from your forefathers, but with the **PRECIOUS BLOOD OF CHRIST**, a Lamb without blemish or defect!!

Isaiah 53:5,6: But He was pierced for our transgressions, He was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was upon Him, and **BY HIS WOUNDS WE ARE HEALED**. We all, like sheep, have gone astray, each of us has turned to his own way; and the Lord has laid on Him the iniquity of us all!!

I Peter 2:24,25: He Himself bore our sins in his body on a tree, so that we might die to sins and live for righteousness, **BY HIS WOUNDS WE ARE HEALED!. For you were like sheep going astray , but now you have returned to the Shepherd and Overseer of your souls!

The apostle John wrote in I John 2:1,2: But if anybody does sin, we have One who speaks in our defense--Jesus Christ, the Righteous One. **HE IS THE ATONING SACRIFICE FOR OUR SINS**. And not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world!

I John 4:10: This is love; not that we loved God, but that He loved us, and sent His Son as **AN ATONING SACRIFICE FOR OUR SINS**!

Revelation 22:16,18,19: "I, Jesus. have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the Churches.... I warn everyone who hears the words of this prophecy of this Book: If anyone *ADDS* anything to them Like TNT}, God will add to him the plagues described in this Book {Including **ETERNAL HELL**} And if anyone **TAKES WORDS AWAY** from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the Tree of Life and in the Holy City {The New Jerusalem}, which are described in this book."

Revelation 1:5: From Jesus Christ, to Him who loves and has **FREED US FROM OUR SINS BY HIS BLOOD**!! Which TNT totally disagrees with and commits the unpardonable sin of **TAKING WORDS AWAY** from the book of Revelation!!

Revelation 5:9: "You are worthy to take the scroll and to open its seals, because You were slain and **WITH YOUR BLOOD** purchased men for God from every tribe and language and people and nation!!"

Ephesians 1:3-8; 11; 19-23: Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in the heavenly realms with **EVERY** spiritual blessing in Christ. For He chose us in Him before the creation of the world to be holy and **BLAMELESS** in His sight. In love He predestined us to be adopted as His sons through Jesus Christ, in accordance with His pleasure and will--to the praise of His **GLORIOUS GRACE**, which He has freely given us in the One He loves. In Him we have **REDEMPTION THROUGH HIS BLOOD**, the forgiveness of sins. in accordance the riches of God's grace that He lavished on us with all wisdom and understanding.....In Him we were also **CHOSEN** having been predestined according to the plan of Him who works out everything in conformity with the purpose of His will!!.....That power is like the working of His mighty strength, which He exerted in Christ when He raised Him from the dead and seated Him at His right hand in the heavenly realms, far above all rule and authority, power and dominion, and every title that can be given, not only in the **PRESENT AGE** but also in the one to come. And God paced **ALL THINGS** under His feet and appointed Him {Not a pope}to be the ***HEAD*** over everything for the church, which is His body, the fullness of Him who fills everything in every way!!

Ephesians 2:4-10: Because of His great love for us, God,, who is rich in mercy, made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions--it is **BY GRACE** you have been saved! And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with Him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus, in order that in the coming ages He might show the incomparable riches of His grace, expressed in His kindness to us in Christ Jesus. For it is **BY GRACE** you have been saved, through faith-- and this **NOT FROM YOURSELVES, it is the **GIFT** of God--**NOT BY WORKS**, so that no one can boast. For we are God's workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do!

Ephesians 6:7,8: Serve wholeheartedly, as if you were serving the Lord, not men, because you know that the Lord will **REWARD** everyone for whatever good he does! SALVATION IS 100 PERCENT FREE AND REWARDS ARE 100 PERCENT EARNED!!

Prop: Yes, by the precious Blood (Life) of Yeshua we are able to determine what is required of us while living on this Earth so that we will someday enter into Yahweh's Rest. Yeshua graciously and willingly set the example for us and we now know that if we follow the example set by Him that we will be allowed to enter Paradise/Heaven one day. The example Yeshua set shows us exactly what we must do while living on this Earth. While on this Earth Yeshua did not eat any of the unclean animals so we are not to eat those filthy scavengers either. Yeshua honored/observed Yahweh's Holy Days so we are to observe them as well. Yeshua rested/worshiped on the true Seventh Day which is Saturday so we must do that as well. Yeshua did not offer any animal sacrifices so that tells us that those laws has been suspended or done away with. Yeshua also did not stone anyone so that tells us that the law of stoning had been suspended or done away with as well. If you will notice Yeshua religiously followed all of Yahweh's Laws/Torah and Commands except for stoning and animal sacrifices so we are to follow the perfect example that Yeshua set for us. By Yeshua's life (blood) we know very well what we must do while living on this Earth. Yeshua set the ultimate example for us and we have absolutely no excuse to not follow the example ("The Way") that he set for us. Oh what a friend we have in Yeshua!

Prop: It appears that you are slowly beginning to understand the Bible like I have understood it all along. I am more than glad that I have been able to help you in this very important endeavor.

Steve

4/29/2016 10:03:25 AM The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!  

ludlowlowell
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1000 different Protestants. 1000 different interpretations of Scripture. How can anybody have solid faith with that?

4/29/2016 10:16:28 AM The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!  

kb2222
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Your faith should come from your personal relationship with God/Jesus and that is dependent upon your receptivity to the Holy Spirit that speaks within NOT from what some Pope falsely calling himself your "Holy Father" and claiming moral and spiritual infallibility teaches about the book the church compiled.



[Edited 4/29/2016 10:18:52 AM ]

4/29/2016 11:28:09 AM The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!  

tnteacher101
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Quote from ludlowlowell:
1000 different Protestants. 1000 different interpretations of Scripture. How can anybody have solid faith with that?


Low: There was only one Yeshua and He set the perfect example for us and that is the example we must follow. We can follow the traditions of the church/man or we can follow the traditions of Yeshua. The traditions of man will more than likenly lead us to that more than warm place and the traditions of Yeshua will lead us to Yahweh's Rest/Paradise/Heaven. All we have to do is decide if we want to follow man or Yeshua. I think we would be better off following the example set by Yeshua.

Steve

4/29/2016 1:21:32 PM The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!  

ludlowlowell
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But what if another Christian read the Bible and sincerely came up with an interpretation different from yours?

4/29/2016 2:10:23 PM The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!  

tnteacher101
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Quote from ludlowlowell:
But what if another Christian read the Bible and sincerely came up with an interpretation different from yours?


Low: I am not going by the interpretation of man I am going by the example set by Yeshua. Why, may I ask you, would you follow the traditions of man and not follow the tradition/example set by Yeshua? It is obvious to me that the traditions of man will lead people in the wrong direction. If you can't trust Yeshua then I doubt if you or anyone can be trusted.

Steve

4/29/2016 2:19:05 PM The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!  

ludlowlowell
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But some other Christian, just as sincere as you, interprets "it's not what enters a man, but what comes out of him" and "let he who is without sin cast the first stone" and "arise, Peter, kill and eat" as meaning that all Levitical laws have been abrogated---who is to say you are right and they are wrong?

The Bible can be interpreted different ways----that's why we need the teaching authority of the Church.

4/29/2016 2:19:52 PM The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!  

kb2222
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Quote from ludlowlowell:
But what if another Christian read the Bible and sincerely came up with an interpretation different from yours?

A different interpretation about what? Some things don't matter one bit. True Christians should be concerned mainly with only one thing and that is Jesus' supreme commandment for his followers to "Follow Me." That is to strive to believe as Jesus believed and thus to become more like Him.

Why don't you stop asking what if questions and respond to my post?

Your faith should come from your personal relationship with God/Jesus and that is dependent upon your receptivity to the Holy Spirit that speaks within NOT from what some Pope falsely calling himself your "Holy Father" and claiming moral and spiritual infallibility teaches about the book the church compiled.

4/29/2016 4:16:28 PM The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!  

tnteacher101
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Quote from ludlowlowell:
But some other Christian, just as sincere as you, interprets "it's not what enters a man, but what comes out of him" and "let he who is without sin cast the first stone" and "arise, Peter, kill and eat" as meaning that all Levitical laws have been abrogated---who is to say you are right and they are wrong?

The Bible can be interpreted different ways----that's why we need the teaching authority of the Church.


Low: It is like KB said in that you have been beguiled/seduced by the corrupt Catholic Church. The Catholic Church simply follows the teachings of Paul and ignores the teachings of Yeshua and the true 12 Apostles. Paul taught a different gospel than Yeshua. Paul was the fly in the ointment, so to speak so all followers of Paul will, more than likely, end up in hades. We are what we eat, as the saying goes and when we eat trash/unclean animals we are trash and our bodies are compromised and weakened. The subject of what enters man was referring to eating with unwashed/unclean hands and had nothing at all to do with eating unclean animals. No where in the Bible are any of the unclean animals referred to as food for humans. If you will notice Peter refused to eat the unclean animals three times. Peter had been taught by Yeshua for three and a half years so Peter knew very well that the unclean animals would remain unclean until Heaven and Earth pass. Sometimes we have to use a little common sense and wisdom when reading the Bible. Those two traits are something that most people don't have.

Steve

4/30/2016 3:14:01 AM The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!  

ludlowlowell
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That's your interpretation. Other Christians have other interpretations, or opinions, really. As a Protestant all one can have is his or her own opinion (the shifting sands), the Catholic has the infallible teachings of the Church (the solid rock).

4/30/2016 5:37:04 AM The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!  

tnteacher101
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Quote from ludlowlowell:
That's your interpretation. Other Christians have other interpretations, or opinions, really. As a Protestant all one can have is his or her own opinion (the shifting sands), the Catholic has the infallible teachings of the Church (the solid rock).


Low: I will trust my interpretation and opinion of what the Bible teaches any and every day of the week before I would trust a huge money hungry church such as the Catholic Church to tell me what they think the Bible actually teaches. Most church organizations are in the church business for the money that they can get from their less than wealthy congregations. Most ministers say that they are called to be ministers but in my humble opinion they simply call themselves to be ministers. The ministers are after a job that pays well with a light work load and the money they get from their congregations provides them a home and a car to drive at the expense of the church members that are often barely getting by with their low salaries that they are getting to support themselves and their families. Not one time did Yeshua or any of the true 12 Apostles start a church. The murderer, tare and false apostle Paul, on the other hand, started many churches. Paul didn't get the example of church starting from Yeshua. The churches in Asia all turned against Paul. It appears that the church members could see that Paul was a user and false teacher of the Bible. No where in the New Testament does the Bible say to a tithe and most of the churches today would not exist/survive if not for the ministers brow beating their congregation into paying ten percent of their hard earned money to keep those fat church cats wading deeply in money. Yes, I will trust my interpretation of the Bible every time over the churches strange and false interpretations. Your church keeps you on a very short leash and you seem to think that you cannot think for yourself. You have given up on thinking for yourself. You seem to think you are too lowly to think for yourself and you have given your church total control of what you will and what you will not believe. There is no one more pitiful than a church member that has given up on thinking there is no reason for them to read the Bible because they are not capable of understanding the Bible. I guess it is people like you that people sometimes call a church mouse. If you have any backbone at all you need to start thinking on your own and not allowing that mean spirited people to do your thinking for you. As far as solid rocks go Yeshua is the Solid Rock and the church is a pretend/false solid rock.

Steve

4/30/2016 1:00:58 PM The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!  

ludlowlowell
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Trust the Church, Tnt. Not every Church leader is or was perfect but the Holy Spirit guides the Church. If you trust the Church, you build your house on the rock. If you trust yourself, you build your house on shifting sands.

4/30/2016 1:12:54 PM The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!  

kb2222
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You are corrupt and beyond reason, Ludlow.

I said to you:

Your faith should come from your personal relationship with God/Jesus and that is dependent upon your receptivity to the Holy Spirit that speaks within NOT from what some Pope falsely calling himself your "Holy Father" and claiming moral and spiritual infallibility teaches about the book the church compiled.

And you say what, Ludlow?

4/30/2016 2:04:37 PM The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!  

ludlowlowell
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My relationship with the Lord is very personal. Can you imagine anything more personal than eating someone's body and drinking his blood?

4/30/2016 6:13:17 PM The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!  

kb2222
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You are corrupt and beyond reason, Ludlow.

4/30/2016 6:21:23 PM The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!  

tnteacher101
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Quote from ludlowlowell:
Trust the Church, Tnt. Not every Church leader is or was perfect but the Holy Spirit guides the Church. If you trust the Church, you build your house on the rock. If you trust yourself, you build your house on shifting sands.


Low: The Bible plainly teaches that our individual bodies are the Temple of God/Yahweh and not some cold stone or brick building. There is nothing sacred about a church building that I know of. So, Yahweh is the rock of our faith and not any church. Like I said in one of my other posts the murderer, tare and false apostle Paul started churches but Yeshua taught the individual people. In other words Yeshua had no interest in churches but was much more concerned with the individual people. History has very well shown us that most church organizations are corrupt. Millions upon millions of people have been mutilated and murdered because of power and money hungry church organizations. Churches are like a pack of dogs or wolves in that when they are in large numbers they destroy and mutilate but normally do little damage when acting alone.

Steve

4/30/2016 7:14:30 PM The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!  

ludlowlowell
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So every Christian can pray to the Holy Spirit, and every Christian will come up with the same interpretation? Come on, Tnt, you KNOW that doesn't work.

4/30/2016 7:56:29 PM The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!  

kb2222
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Some interpretations don't matter one bit, Ludlow. True Christians should be concerned mainly with only one thing and that is Jesus' supreme commandment for his followers to "Follow Me." That is to strive to believe as Jesus believed and thus to become more like Him and you don't need any Pope sitting on a golden throne drinking from gold goblets calling himself your "Holy infallible Father" to tell you how to do this.

39:4.14 (435.7) The keys of the kingdom of heaven are: sincerity, more sincerity, and more sincerity. All men have these keys. Men use them — advance in spirit status — by decisions, by more decisions, and by more decisions. The highest moral choice is the choice of the highest possible value, and always — in any sphere, in all of them — this is to choose to do the will of God. If man thus chooses, he is great, though he be the humblest citizen of Jerusem or even the least of mortals on Urantia. -TUB

That's your BIG problem, Ludlow, your downfall. You are devious, dishonest and insincere. As clearly evidenced by you boasting that you have been confessing your sins every month for the last 45 years. YET YOU STILL CONSISTENTLY LIE, BEAR FALSE WITNESS AND REFUSE TO HONESTLY RESPOND TO QUESTIONS. You run from truth when it doesn't serve your warped/corrupt self-serving mind just like Satan does, Ludlow, and you would be wise to wake up to this fact.

4/30/2016 7:59:13 PM The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!  

tnteacher101
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Quote from ludlowlowell:
So every Christian can pray to the Holy Spirit, and every Christian will come up with the same interpretation? Come on, Tnt, you KNOW that doesn't work.


Low: I am sure it would work very well if everyone would simply read and study the Bible for themselves. The problem is that most people have very little to no interest in the Bible. Those that have no interest learning about Yahweh will have very little interest in learning by way of the church either. The Bible plainly says that some don't have ears to hear or eyes to see. The Bible makes it more than clear that Yahweh must draw people close to Him and if that does not happen those people are going to be more or less ignorant of Yahweh's Word.

Steve

4/30/2016 11:32:19 PM The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!  

ludlowlowell
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Millions of Christians since the first century a.d. have read and studied the Bible, and very, very few have come up with the set of interpretations you have. A few have interpreted it to mean the Levitical law still stands, but you're the only Christian, ancient, medieval, or modern, that rejects Paul, that I ever heard of.