ACTUALLY TNTAND LOUIE THE APOSTLES JOHN AND PETER AND LUKE TOALLY AGREE WITH PAUL!!!

John 6:37,39,44,63: Jesus says, "All that the Father gives ME **WILL** come to Me...And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that I shall lose **NONE** of all He has given Me, but raise them up at the Last Day...No one can come to Me ***UNLESS*** the Father who sent Me **DRAWS** him, and I will raise him up at the Last Day!...No one can come to Me ***UNLESS*** the Father has **ENABLED** him!!"

Acts 15:1-11: Some men came down from Judea to Antioch and were teaching the brothers: "Unless you are circumcised, according to the custom taught by Moses, you cannot be saved." This brought Paul and Barnabas into sharp dispute and debate with them. So Paul and Barnabas were appointed, along with some other believers to go up to Jerusalem to see the apostles and elders about this question the church sent them on their way, and as they traveled through Phoenicia and Samaria, they told how the Gentiles had been converted. This news made **ALL THE BROTHERS** very glad. When they came to Jerusalem, they were **WELCOMED BY THE CHURCH AND THE APOSTLES AND ELDERS**, to whom they reported everything God had done through them. Then some of the believers who belonged to the party of the Pharisees {Like TNT and Louie} stood up and said, "The Gentiles must be circumcised and required to obey the law of Moses. The brother and elders met to consider this question. After much discussion, Peter got up and addressed them. "Brothers you know that some time ago God made a choice among you that the Gentiles might hear from my lips the message of the Gospel and believe. God, who knows the heart showed that the accepted them by giving the Holy Spirit to them, just as He did to us. he made no distinction between us and them, for He purified their hearts by **FAITH**. Now then, why do you try to test God by putting on the necks of the disciples a yoke that we nor our fathers have been able to bear? No! We believe it is through the **GRACE** of our Lord Jesus that we are saved as they are!"

Acts 9:3-6;15-17: As he {Paul or Saul} neared Damascus on his journey, suddenly a light from heaven flashed around him, "Saul, Saul, why do you persecute me?" "Who are you Lord?" Saul asked. "I am Jesus whom you are persecuting," He replied. "Now get up And go into the city, and you will be told what you must do."...The Lord said to Ananias, "Go! This man is My **CHOSEN INSTRUMENT** to carry My name before the Gentiles and before their kings and before the people of Israel.. Then Ananias went to the house and entered it. Placing his hands on Saul, he said, "Brother Saul, the Lord--Jesus, who appeared to you on the road as you were coming here--has sent me so that you may see again and be filled with the Holy Spirit!!"

The apostle Peter was inspired by God to write 2 Peter 3:15,16: bear in mind that our Lord's patience means salvation, just as our **DEAR BROTHER PAUL** also wrote you with the wisdom God gave him. He writes the same way in all his letters, in speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things which are hard {For unbelievers) to understand, which ignorant and unstable people {Like Louie and TNT} as they do the other Scripture, to their own destruction!!

The Apostle Peter wrote in I Peter 1:17-19: For you know it was not with perishable things such as silver and gold that you were **REDEEMED** from the empty way of life handed down to you from your forefathers, but with the **PRECIOUS BLOOD OF CHRIST**, a Lamb without blemish or defect!!

The Apostle John was inspired by God to write in Revelation 5:9: "You are worthy to take the scroll and open its seals , because You were slain and **WITH YOUR BLOOD** you purchased men for God from every tribe and language and people and nation!!"

The Apostle of John was also inspired by God to write Revelation 1:5: "From Jesus Christ, ho is the faithful witness and ruler of the kings of the earth. To Him who loves us and has freed us from our sins **BY HIS BLOOD**!!"

If you do not agree with louie then you are not following your own rules set down by (you said) the Catholic church. What you said is false.

You said all Catholics agree.

The Catholic church lies.

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I am not sure why everyone gets all google eyed about the Blood of Yeshua when what was of major importance was the life that Yeshua lived.... If we don't have to do any "works" like the lawless heathen Paul taught then there would be no need for anyone to read the Bible which is a work or go to church (a work) or be Baptised (a work).

I don't read anyplace in the Bible where it is said that Paul was Baptised. If Baptism is a requirement for believers then I wonder why Paul didn't have to be Baptised. It is more than obvious to me that Paul made up his rules as he went and the majority of people today have jumped on Paul's hayride to hades/hell.

Steve

Let me quote a little CLV:

Matthew 26:27-29 And taking the cup and giving thanks, He gives it to them, saying, "Drink of it all, for this is My blood of the new covenant, that is shed for many for the pardon of sins." Now I am saying to you that under no circumstances may I be drinking henceforth of this, the product of the grapevine, till that day whenever I may be drinking it new with you in the kingdom of My Father."

I see some shadows in there. Not hemoglobin, per say.

Baptism is always a work. Make sure you are talking about the Holy Spirit baptism (when you are talking about salvation), because the cults trip up big time on water baptism. Again this water baptism is a shadow of things to come -- the Holy Spirit baptism.

Matthew 3:11 For I, indeed, am baptizing you in water for repentance, yet He Who is coming after me is stronger than I, Whose sandals I am not competent to bear. He will be baptizing you in holy spirit and fire

What harm would it do for everyone to consider the Bible without Paul’s letters in discussing the Bible? Would the Bible be any less complete without Paul? If Paul contradicted Christ and his twelve and the prophets then it should be left out for clarity (to keep from muddying the waters). If Paul did not contradict Christ and his twelve and the prophets, and if he did not teach anything that these did not teach (as some of you claim), then leaving it out would simply reduce the redundancy of the Bible. So what is the harm of leaving it out?

If Paul muddied the waters by his stumbling about trying to formulate his doctrine of salvation by faith, then leaving it out would clarify the waters. There is everything to gain and nothing to lose. Surely we can all agree on that.

Louie

Gratis: Are you saying that Baptism with water is not necessary today? Were you Baptised with water? All the churches that Baptise with water may want to check with you and maybe you can explain to them that Baptism is no longer necessary and that it may be in their best interest to skip the Baptism of all people from now on.

Gratis: You are getting the point over clearly that you follow the lawless and heathen teachings of the murderer, tare and false apostle Paul over the Blessed Teachings of Moses, the Prophets, Yeshua and the true 12 Apostles.

Steve

Louie: That is a very good suggestion. I see no problem at all in leaving out the writings of Paul and Luke to determine if we can come up with the same or similar Gospel that we have been discussing for quite some time now. If I can be proved wrong then I will be more than happy with that. I very much want to know the truth of the Bible. My one objective is to be able to enter into Yahweh's Rest/Paradise/Heaven one day and I am sure that is the hope of everyone on this site. I have always wanted to know the truth of Yahweh's Word.

Steve

Tell me, freegratis, do you actually believe Jesus would order man to stone and burn people to death at the stake for those reasons?

And I gave you OT verses quoted by NT Yeshua and Apostles to give credence to OT verses such as the unpalatable ones you continually list.

Also, if I hate, I am a murderer.

Jesus said per John the Apostle in John 5:39 You search the Scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life; and these are they which testify of Me.

The Old Testament (i.e. the Scriptures Jesus is referring to) testify about Jesus.

You have a different Jesus according to the Urantia book joke/deception which you worship. You reject the Old and New covenants which testify about Jesus.

I asked you, "How could you possibly know that you should be worshiping someone named Jesus/Yeshua?"

It's okay with me if you do not want to face the questions I asked you. However, you and that followjesusonly guy (both in your 70's) who really is a Urantia follower inspired me to start posting here.

Find out who Jesus is. He is our only hope.

However, if you can live the law perfectly, you can tell God you have a right to enter His presence and live. Romans 4:4

For the rest of us, we will trust in Jesus.

He is certainly NOT the murderous inhumane double-minded monster you believe He is.

The Jesus I know would want me to tell the world about Him.

The Jesus you think you know does not care about the welfare of others according to your reply.

What is your purpose on this forum?

kb2222,
Did God command Adam and Eve not to eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil?

Post the questions I asked you, which you answered.

To be fair you should answer my question before asking one on an entirely different matter. You care about fairness don't you?

You can do your own posting but frankly if you are so deluded and/or depraved that you think it is righteousness to stone and burn people to death at the stake for all those reasons I listed and you believe that is what Jesus would do I fail to see how me answering any of your previous questions would be of help to you.

No matter what someone asks you, you reply by asking if God would kill for something you think is trivial.

CLV Gen 2:17
Yet from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, you are not to be eating from it, for in the day you eat from it, to die shall you be dying.


You have a problem with God's commands which sound silly or trivial to you. But you will eagerly listen to associate force organizer and then acting inspector number 811,307 of the Orvonton series


Actually kb222, you just simply fail.
Wait, you succeeded in one thing. You made me want to block you.

Steve, what the hell is wrong with you that you pretend not to know it is horrible inhumane wickedness to burn human beings to death at the stake? Are you insane or what?

Will you please cut out the bs and answer me, Steve?

KB thinks God is too sweet and soft to punish sinners. He mistakes God's mercy for weakness. He doesn't understand that only REPENTANT sinners are forgiven by God---the rest burn in Hell forever (the punishments of the Levitical law are prefigures of hellish punishments).

You only say it "was correct" because that is what someone wrote in primitive times and you know full well that all ancient warring people professed to have God on their side. Again, Steve, what the hell is wrong with you that you pretend not to know it is horrible inhumane wickedness to burn human beings to death at the stake? Are you insane or what?

Will you please cut out the bs and answer me, Steve?