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Telling me who he is not is not answering who he is. You are a dishonest agent.

You obviously are upset and have a comprehension problem because you can't bring yourself to honestly answer the questions I have asked you. I plainly said in my post to Ludlow just above who Jesus is. Can't you read? Here I will repeat myself.

The Paradise Creator Sons are ALL divine personifications of God the Father and they are the DIVINE CREATORS of all the evolving worlds of space and time. They are for all intents and purposes GOD to the LOCAL UNIVERSE of their making and Jesus was one such Creator Son. While they differ somewhat in personality they are wholly unified in Spirit with God the Father, Son and Spirit.

Jesus is our Lord and Savior and He contrary to your blasphemous murderous assertions DOES NOT order man to stone and burn people to death at the stake for any reason let alone all those absurd reasons of the Levitical Priests which because of your church indoctrination call Gods word.

I have answered many of your questions while still waiting for you to answer mine.

You are delusional.

Your lack of an answer tells me the book of Leviticus is garbage to you; you know nothing about an unblemished lamb; you know nothing about the Lamb of God or the reason we even know of Yeshua; but you know much about 987,000,000,000 years ago and associate force organizer and then acting inspector number 811,307 of the Orvonton series.

Another babbling rant. Again, what the hell is wrong with you that you pretend not to know it is horrible inhumane wickedness to burn human beings to death at the stake?

What the Hell is wrong with you that you profess to be a Christian yet you assert your belief that contrary to the Masters teachings He is as murderous and no different than the ones who killed Him? Are you insane or what?

Will you please cut out the babble/rants and answer, freegratis.

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ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 63, joined Feb. 2008 online now!	KB, I heard that Urantia god # 098,434 and Urantia god #443,569 stone people all the time, but that Urantia god # 267,014 is a wussy who lets his creatures get away with murder. Then there's Urantia god #454,055 who does stone people, whenever he and Aphrodite aren't carrying on their affair... Meet singles at DateHookup.dating, we're 100% free! Join now!
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kb2222 Jacksonville, FL 75, joined Apr. 2011	Quote from freegratis: kb2222, Who is Jesus? Why do you ask such a question while you do not answer my questions? I have told you who He is not. Answer my questions and I will answer yours. Are you so dishonest and spiritually dead you can't bring yourself to answer my questions first? Seeing as how you assert Jesus is as murderous and no different than those who killed Him its clear to me you are utterly morally and spiritually CONFUSED (LOST).
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kb2222 Jacksonville, FL 75, joined Apr. 2011	Quote from ludlowlowell: KB, I heard that Urantia god # 098,434 and Urantia god #443,569 stone people all the time, but that Urantia god # 267,014 is a wussy who lets his creatures get away with murder. Then there's Urantia god #454,055 who does stone people, whenever he and Aphrodite aren't carrying on their affair... You are truly arrogantly corrupt and spiritually dead, Ludlow.
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kb2222 Jacksonville, FL 75, joined Apr. 2011	Quote from ludlowlowell: KB, I heard that Urantia god # 098,434 and Urantia god #443,569 stone people all the time, but that Urantia god # 267,014 is a wussy who lets his creatures get away with murder. Then there's Urantia god #454,055 who does stone people, whenever he and Aphrodite aren't carrying on their affair... What a arrogant corrupt fool you are to keep repeating this nonsense. The Paradise Creator Sons are ALL divine personifications of God the Father and they are the DIVINE CREATORS of all the evolving worlds of space and time. They are for all intents and purposes GOD to the LOCAL UNIVERSE of their making and Jesus was one such Creator Son. While they differ somewhat in personality they are wholly unified in Spirit with God the Father, Son and Spirit. Whether you can grasp this or not doesn't matter. You are full of corruption and blasphemy towards God with your murderous beliefs and teachings and if you care the least for your continued existence after this life you would be wise to cease by stopping to rely on the historically MASS murderous, self-serving teachings and doctrines of the RCC about the book they compiled.
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ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 63, joined Feb. 2008 online now!	You can't get into Heaven by worshipping false gods, KB.
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freegratis Irving, TX 49, joined Dec. 2011	Quote from kb2222: Why do you ask such a question while you do not answer my questions? I have told you who He is not. Answer my questions and I will answer yours. Are you so dishonest and spiritually dead you can't bring yourself to answer my questions first? Seeing as how you assert Jesus is as murderous and no different than those who killed Him its clear to me you are utterly morally and spiritually CONFUSED (LOST). Do you remember this? kb2222 and Steve, Does God require a blood sacrifice? Leviticus 17:11 Why did Hebrews (I think I'm supposed to say Hebrews here) perform blood sacrifice with an unblemished lamb? (To merely follow how the lamb lived?) Why is Yeshua called the Lamb of God? You answered all those questions, right hypocrite? That was my first contact with you. Telling me who he is not is not answering who he is. You are a dishonest agent. I have answered many of your questions while still waiting for you to answer mine. Your lack of an answer tells me the book of Leviticus is garbage to you; you know nothing about an unblemished lamb; you know nothing about the Lamb of God or the reason we even know of Yeshua; but you know much about 987,000,000,000 years ago and associate force organizer and then acting inspector number 811,307 of the Orvonton series.
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freegratis Irving, TX 49, joined Dec. 2011	Quote from kb2222: What a arrogant corrupt fool you are to keep repeating this nonsense. The Paradise Creator Sons are ALL divine personifications of God the Father and they are the DIVINE CREATORS of all the evolving worlds of space and time. They are for all intents and purposes GOD to the LOCAL UNIVERSE of their making and Jesus was one such Creator Son. While they differ somewhat in personality they are wholly unified in Spirit with God the Father, Son and Spirit. Whether you can grasp this or not doesn't matter. You are full of corruption and blasphemy towards God with your murderous beliefs and teachings and if you care the least for your continued existence after this life you would be wise to cease by stopping to rely on the historically MASS murderous, self-serving teachings and doctrines of the RCC about the book they compiled. kb2222, My God spoke creation into existence. Your god/gods have to check and wait to see if space conditions were favorable for the initiation of materialization phenomena.
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prophetic774 Winter Haven, FL 65, joined Feb. 2011	GOD'S BORN AGAIN FROM ABOVE SAINTS ARE WASHED, SANCTIFIED AND JUSTIFIED!! I Corinthians 6:9-11: Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God. Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And that is what some of you WERE. But you were WASHED, you were SANCTIFIED, you were JUSTIFED in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of God!! CAN GOD'S BORN AGAIN FROM ABOVE WHO ARE WASHED, SANCTIFIED AND JUSTIFIED LOSE THEIR SALVATION?? John 6:37,39,44: Jesus says, "ALL that the Father gives Me WILL come to Me, and whoever comes to Me I will NEVER drive away... And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that I shall LOSE NONE of all that He has given Me, but raise them up at the Last Day.... No one can come to Me UNLESS the Father who sent Me DRAWS HIM, and I will raise him up at the Last Day!!" DO GOD'S BORN AGAIN FROM ABOVE SAINTS STILL SIN AFTER THEY ARE SAVED?? I John 1:8-10: If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness. If we claim we have not sinned, we make Him out to be a liar and His Word has no place in our lives!! Luke 10:2-4: Jesus said to His disciples, "When you pray, say: 'Father, hallowed be your name, your kingdom come. Give us each day our DAILY* bread. FORGIVE US OUR SINS, for we forgive everyone who sins against us!!'" CAN GOD'S BORN AGAIN FROM ABOVE SAINTS LOSE MANY HEAVENLY ETERNAL REWARDS IF THEY FAIL TO ASK FORGIVENESS FROM THEIR DAILY SINS; AND FAIL TO FAITHFULLY USE THE GIFTS GOD HAS GIVEN TO THEM?? Matthew 16:27: Jesus says, “The Son of Man is going to come in His Father's glory with His angels and THEN He will REWARD each person according to what he has done!” 2 Corinthians 5:9,10: We make it our goal to please Him... for we must all appear before the Judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive WHAT IS DUE HIM for the things done while in the body, whether good or bad. 1 Corinthians 3:13-15: His work will be shown for what it is, because the Day will bring it to light. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each man's work. If what he has built survives , he will receive his REWARD. If it is burned up he will suffer loss; he himself will be saved, but only as one escaping through the flames. Colossians 3:23-25: Whatever you do, work at it with all your heart, as working for the Lord, not for men, since you know that you will receive an inheritance from the Lord as a REWARD. It is the Lord Christ you are serving. Anyone who does wrong will be repaid for his wrong, and there is no favoritism. I Corinthians 9:24-27: Do you not know that in a race all the runners run, but only one gets the prize? Run in such a way as to get the prize. Everyone who competes in the games goes in to strict training. They do it to get a CROWN that will not last; but we do it to get a CROWN THAT WILL LAST FOREVER! Therefore, I do not run like a man running aimlessly. I do not fight like a man beating the air. No, I beat my body and make it my slave so that after I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified for the prize! 2 John 1:8: Watch out that you do not lose what you have worked for, but that you may be REWARDED fully!. Revelation 3:11: Jesus says, “I am coming soon. Hold on to what you have, so that no one will take your CROWN!” SALVATION IS 100% FREE BUT HEAVENLY REWARDS ARE 100% EARNED!! Ephesians 2:8,9: For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this not from yourselves, it is the GIFT OF GOD—NOT BY WORKS, so that no one can boast.
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kb2222 Jacksonville, FL 75, joined Apr. 2011	Quote from freegratis: Do you remember this? kb2222 and Steve, Does God require a blood sacrifice? Leviticus 17:11 Why did Hebrews (I think I'm supposed to say Hebrews here) perform blood sacrifice with an unblemished lamb? (To merely follow how the lamb lived?) Why is Yeshua called the Lamb of God? You answered all those questions, right hypocrite? That was my first contact with you. Yes, I remember that and I gave you my answer for the second time in my post 9/2/2016 2:25:20 PM (page 255) when I said: I already gave you my answer. The need to inflict pain and shed blood to appease and angry God is what primitive man believed. Jesus was called the Lamb of God in ignorance of Gods true loving and caring nature. God is a Holy, Divine, Perfect Spirit Personality and it is utter ignorant foolishness to believe such a Perfect Personality would kill His own Son to atone for the sin of others. Now, why do you think the book the church compiled is unquestionably Gods rule book? But you never answered my question so I will repeat: Why do you think the book the church compiled is unquestionably Gods rule book?
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tnteacher101 Morristown, TN 66, joined Aug. 2010	Quote from kb2222: What a arrogant corrupt fool you are to keep repeating this nonsense. The Paradise Creator Sons are ALL divine personifications of God the Father and they are the DIVINE CREATORS of all the evolving worlds of space and time. They are for all intents and purposes GOD to the LOCAL UNIVERSE of their making and Jesus was one such Creator Son. While they differ somewhat in personality they are wholly unified in Spirit with God the Father, Son and Spirit. Whether you can grasp this or not doesn't matter. You are full of corruption and blasphemy towards God with your murderous beliefs and teachings and if you care the least for your continued existence after this life you would be wise to cease by stopping to rely on the historically MASS murderous, self-serving teachings and doctrines of the RCC about the book they compiled. KB: You always seem to be such a harsh and somewhat unreasonable person. I never, ever, know when you are going to have another tempter tantrum. I am accustomed to seeing small children have hissy fits like you often do and normally the reason for it is that they are hoping to get their little selfish and petty way. Why don't you attempt to be kind and good natured for a change. People on this site are not that difficult to get along with at least most of the time they are not. You seem to have diarrhea of the mouth much more often than most people. Steve
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prophetic774 Winter Haven, FL 65, joined Feb. 2011	PRECIOUS JEWELS IN THE WRITINGS OF THE APOSTLE PETER!! I Peter 1:18-20: For you know that it was not with perishable things such as silver or gold that you were REDEEMED from the empty way of life handed down to you from your forefathers, but with the PRECIOUS BLOOD OF CHRIST, a lamb without blemish or defect!! I Peter 2:24: He Himself bore our sins in His body on the tree, so that we might die to sins and live for righteousness, BY HIS WOUNDS WE ARE HEALED!! I Peter 3:18: For CHRIST DIED FOR OUR SINS once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, TO BRING YOU TO GOD!! I Peter 1:22-25: Now that you have purified yourselves by obeying the truth so that you have sincere love for your brothers, LOVE ONE ANOTHER DEEPLY FROM THE HEART. For you have been BORN AGAIN, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, through the living and enduring WORD OF GOD!! For, "All men are like grass, and all their glory is like the flowers of the field; the grass withers and the flowers fail, but the WORD OF THE LORD stands forever!!" And this is the Word that was preached to you!! I Peter 4:8-11: Above all, LOVE EACH OTHER DEEPLY, because love covers over a multitude of sins. Offer hospitality to one another without grumbling. Each one should use whatever gift he has received to serve others, faithfully administering God's grace in its various forms. If anyone speaks, he should do it as one speaking the very WORDS OF GOD!! If anyone serves, he should do it with the strength God provides, so that in all things God may be praised through Jesus Christ. To Him be the glory and power for ever and ever. Amen!! 2 Peter 1:3-11: Make every effort to add to your FAITH {A free gift} goodness; and to goodness, knowledge; and to knowledge, self-control; and to self-control, perseverance; and to perseverance, godliness, and to godliness, brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness, LOVE!! For if you possess these qualities in increasing measure, they will keep you from being ineffective and unproductive in your knowledge of our Lord Jesus... Therefore, my brothers, be all the more eager to make your calling and election sure. For if you do these things, you will never fail, and you will receive a RICH WELCOME into the eternal kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ!! 2 Peter 2:10-13: But the Day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will DISAPPEAR with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire , and the earth and everything in it will be burned up.. That Day will bring about the destruction of the heavens by fire, and the elements will melt in the heat. But in keeping with His promise we are looking forward to a NEW HEAVEN and a NEW EARTH, the home of righteousness!! {As per Revelation 21:1-5} Revelation 21:1-5: Then I saw a NEW HEAVEN and a NEW EARTH, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. I saw the Holy City, the NEW JERUSALEM coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband. And I heard a loud Voice from the throne saying, "Now the dwelling of God is with men, and He will live with them. They will be His people, and God Himself will be with them and be their God. He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death and crying or pain, for the old order of things have passed away!" He who was seated on the Throne said, "I am making EVERYTHING NEW**!" Then He said, "Write this down, for these words are trustworthy and true!!"
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bigd9832 Chicago, IL 63, joined Oct. 2007	Quote from ludlowlowell... You can't get into Heaven by worshipping false gods, KB. ******************************************************************************** False gods? Like Mary and the saints? Like a "trinity"? The Catholic church is apostate.
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kb2222 Jacksonville, FL 75, joined Apr. 2011	Quote from tnteacher101: KB: You always seem to be such a harsh and somewhat unreasonable person. I never, ever, know when you are going to have another tempter tantrum. I am accustomed to seeing small children have hissy fits like you often do and normally the reason for it is that they are hoping to get their little selfish and petty way. Why don't you attempt to be kind and good natured for a change. People on this site are not that difficult to get along with at least most of the time they are not. You seem to have diarrhea of the mouth much more often than most people. Steve Its clear why I call Ludlow an arrogant corrupt fool for repeating his nonsense. Can't you read? You are sick, Steve. You are so SICK that you still think people should be stoned and burned to death at the stake for all those OT reasons to "please" God. And you say you believe this even though you have at sometime in the past worked on the Sabbath and according to what you say some Rabbi should put you to death. Not only you but everyone in your family and your friends and neighbors who have worked on the Sabbath should be put to death. You are truly mentally ill, Steve.
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ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 63, joined Feb. 2008 online now!	The reality is that you are a pagan, KB, a believer in a pantheon of gods. The ancient Grrek and Roman pagans who persecuted the early Church only had about a dozen gods in their pantheon, but you have 700,000 in yours. And the eugenics espoused by your Urantia Book borders on Nazism.
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kb2222 Jacksonville, FL 75, joined Apr. 2011	What a arrogant corrupt fool you are to keep repeating this nonsense, Ludlow. As I have told you time and time again the Paradise Creator Sons are ALL divine personifications of God the Father and they are the DIVINE CREATORS of all the evolving worlds of space and time. They are for all intents and purposes GOD to the LOCAL UNIVERSE of their making and Jesus was one such Creator Son. While they differ somewhat in personality they are wholly unified in Spirit with God the Father, Son and Spirit. Whether you can grasp this or not doesn't matter. You are full of corruption and blasphemy towards God with your murderous beliefs and teachings and if you care the least for your continued existence after this life you would be wise to cease by stopping to rely on the historically MASS murderous, self-serving teachings and doctrines of the RCC about the book they compiled. You are a arrogant, lying, corrupt, fool, Ludlow, and you are going to have your due when your time in this life is up.
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bigd9832 Chicago, IL 63, joined Oct. 2007	Quote from ludlowlowell... The reality is that you are a pagan, KB, a believer in a pantheon of gods. The ancient Grrek and Roman pagans who persecuted the early Church only had about a dozen gods in their pantheon, but you have 700,000 in yours. And the eugenics espoused by your Urantia Book borders on Nazism. ************************************************************************************ The reality is that you, ludlow, are a pagan. You worship man gods. Mary, the saints, a "trinity." And the Catholic church was in bed with the Nazis. We have photos to prove it.
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kb2222 Jacksonville, FL 75, joined Apr. 2011	There was a recent documentary on the History Channel where many Catholic priests throughout Europe established "safe houses" and forged identification for quite a number of high ranking Nazi officers freeing to escape capture at wars end.
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tnteacher101 Morristown, TN 66, joined Aug. 2010	Quote from kb2222: What a arrogant corrupt fool you are to keep repeating this nonsense, Ludlow. As I have told you time and time again the Paradise Creator Sons are ALL divine personifications of God the Father and they are the DIVINE CREATORS of all the evolving worlds of space and time. They are for all intents and purposes GOD to the LOCAL UNIVERSE of their making and Jesus was one such Creator Son. While they differ somewhat in personality they are wholly unified in Spirit with God the Father, Son and Spirit. Whether you can grasp this or not doesn't matter. You are full of corruption and blasphemy towards God with your murderous beliefs and teachings and if you care the least for your continued existence after this life you would be wise to cease by stopping to rely on the historically MASS murderous, self-serving teachings and doctrines of the RCC about the book they compiled. You are a arrogant, lying, corrupt, fool, Ludlow, and you are going to have your due when your time in this life is up. KB: You get emotionally worked up really fast when you talk about anything that has to do with the Urantia Book. This is a sure sign that you have been brainwashed into the false and deceptive religion of the Urantia Book and its teaching of not of this world fables. Your false religion is indeed a very strange and unusual one. It appears that you are betting your very future happiness on a silly book that is as worthless as they could possibly get. A sane person would never, ever, fall for the beliefs of such strange and outrageous teachings. I would think that a small child could easily understand/determine that the Urantia Book that you worship is merely outrageous science fiction that was more than likely concocted by the devil and his demons. You are on very dangerous quicksand and you have sunk to such a low level of reasoning that it is more then likely that you may never, ever, be able to get back onto solid ground. With the help of Yahweh I am sure you could do it but I very much doubt that you have the will to do it. Steve
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kb2222 Jacksonville, FL 75, joined Apr. 2011	You are sick, Steve. You are so SICK that you still think people should be stoned and burned to death at the stake for all those OT reasons to "please" God. And you say you believe this even though you have at sometime in the past worked on the Sabbath and according to what you say some Rabbi should put you to death. Not only you but everyone in your family and your friends and neighbors who have worked on the Sabbath should be put to death. You are truly mentally ill, Steve.
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tnteacher101 Morristown, TN 66, joined Aug. 2010	Quote from kb2222: You are sick, Steve. You are so SICK that you still think people should be stoned and burned to death at the stake for all those OT reasons to "please" God. And you say you believe this even though you have at sometime in the past worked on the Sabbath and according to what you say some Rabbi should put you to death. Not only you but everyone in your family and your friends and neighbors who have worked on the Sabbath should be put to death. You are truly mentally ill, Steve. KB: Do you believe there is forgiveness for some sins? It is my belief that there is no forgiveness while living on this Earth for murderers. The Bible plainly tells us that man who sheds innocent blood by man is his blood to be shed. Genesis 9:6 King James Bible Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man. Steve
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ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 63, joined Feb. 2008 online now!	God will forgive ANY sin, including murder, if the sinner repents.
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bigd9832 Chicago, IL 63, joined Oct. 2007	ludlow... Can you prove that? Or is that just more hot air? The Catholic church lies.
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louie6332 Falkville, AL 74, joined Nov. 2011	KG, in answer to Freegratis’ question, “What is your propose on this forum? “, you state: “To try to get you to use your common sense and stop deluding yourself and blaspheming Jesus because of the false doctrine of the Church about the book they compiled.” In plain English, it is to throw doubt on the Bible. More generally, it is to throw down Jesus and God as revealed in the Bible, and to raise up the Jesus and the God as revealed in the Urantia Book. The Urantia Book and other New Age books attempt to tell us who Jesus and God really were and what they really taught. And KB and Furch are attempting to teach us who Jesus really was and what he really taught, according to the Urantia Book. KB and Furch do NOT like the God of the Bible, God as revealed in the Bible, he does not like and cannot tolerate a Just God, one who rewards the Just and punishes the wicked. That is abhorrent to him. So he is promoting the God of the Urantia Book, a God more to his liking, to us ignorant and unenlightened Christians. And that is what he is here for in this Christian, to convert “ignorant” Christians to the God of the Urantia Book. And this is an accurate and precise description of what these two arrogant and self righteous Urantians are doing here. They are violating the rules of this forum by even posting here, of course, for you are supposed to be a Christian to post here. But that does not bother them. Misery loves company and they would like nothing better than to take one of us Christians to Hell with them. Freegratis also asked KB: “Who is Jesus?” Well, the Jesus of KB and Furth is not the only begotten Son of God by a miraculous conception and a virgin birth, but the son of his foster Father Joseph by ordinary sexual intercourse, one of many sons (via Mary and Joseph, both of whom broke their vows of celibacy). Being the begotten son of Joseph, though, somehow miraculously makes Jesus into a creator son of God, just one of 700,000 Creator Sons of god. (Do you see the utter confusion here?) So, yes, the Urantia Jesus is a different Jesus than the Jesus of the Bible. KB and Furth have rejected the God of the Bible. And he wants to know “what the Hell is wrong” with us Christians for not also rejecting him? To the Urantians here, it is blasphemy to accept the God and the Jesus of the Bible, as revealed by God. And it is a wonderful thing to accept the God and the Jesus of the Urantia Book, as revealed by demons. The only use the New Agers and Urantians have for the Bible is to try to use it to wrench Christians away from God. The Urantia Book is an occult book, since its authors are unknown, its source is hidden. Louie
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prophetic774 Winter Haven, FL 65, joined Feb. 2011	Quote from tnteacher101: Prop wrote: DO GOD'S BORN AGAIN FROM ABOVE SAINTS STILL SIN AFTER THEY ARE SAVED??\ Prop: We are not saved from hell until we actually enter into Yahweh's Rest/Paradise/Heaven. The Bible plainly tells us that he/she that endures until the end shall be saved. Steve TNT you have quoted Matthew 24:13 and Mark 13:13 which takes place during the 1260-day Great Tribulation when it is an UNPARDONBLE SIN to receive the mark of the anti-Christ or 666 as per Revelation 14:9-11 and Revelation 13:16-18. Matthew 24:9-13: Jesus says, "Then {During the Great Tribulation} you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of Me. At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other. Because of the increase of wickedness the love of most will grow cold, but he who stands firm to the end will be saved." And of course all of God's born again from above saints will not receive the mark of the anti-Christ and will endure to the end of the Great Tribulation!! There are some who claim that when a person becomes a born again from above Christian that he will no longer commit any sins???? DO GOD'S BORN AGAIN FROM ABOVE SAINTS STILL SIN AFTER THEY ARE SAVED?? I John 1:8-10: If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness. If we claim we have not sinned, we make Him out to be a liar and His Word has no place in our lives!! Luke 10:2-4: Jesus said to His disciples, "When you pray, say: 'Father, hallowed be your name, your kingdom come. Give us each day our DAILY* bread. FORGIVE US OUR SINS, for we forgive everyone who sins against us!!'" Take Peter for example: Matthew 16:24: Jesus said to Peter, "Get behind Me Satan! You are a stumbling block to me; you do not have in mind the things of God, but the things of men!" Matthew 26:75: Then Peter remembered the word Jesus had spoken; "Before the rooster crows, you will DISOWN ME THREE TIMES!!" Galatians 2:11-16: When Peter came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face, because he was clearly in the wrong. Before certain men came from James, he used to eat with the Gentiles. But when they arrived he began to draw back and separate himself from the Gentiles because he was afraid of those who belonged to the circumcision group. The other Jews joined him in his hypocrisy and even Barnabas was led astray. Paul said, When I saw that they were NOT ACTING IN LINE WITH THE TRUTH OF THE GOSPEL, I said to Peter in front of them all, "You are a Jew, yet you live like a Gentile and not like a Jew. How is it, then that you force Gentiles to follow Jewish customs? We who are Jews by birth and not 'Gentile sinners' know that a man is NOT justified by observing the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by observing the law, because BY OBSERVING THE LAW NO ONE WILL BE JUSTIFIED!! Then Peter repented of this sin in Acts 15:1-11: Some men came down from Judea to Antioch and were teaching the brothers: "Unless you are circumcised, according to the custom taught by Moses, you cannot be saved." This brought Paul and Barnabas into sharp dispute and debate with them. So Paul and Barnabas were appointed, along with some other believers to go up to Jerusalem to see the apostles and elders about this question the church sent them on their way, and as they traveled through Phoenicia and Samaria, they told how the Gentiles had been converted. This news made all the brothers very glad. When they came to Jerusalem, they were WELCOMED BY THE CHURCH AND THE APOSTLES AND ELDERS, to whom they reported everything God had done through them. Then some of the believers who belonged to the party of the Pharisees {Like ADAM7777} stood up and said, "THE GENTILES MUST BE CIRCUMCISED AND REQUIRED TO OBEY THE LAW OF MOISES." The brother and elders met to consider this question. After much discussion, Peter got up and addressed them. "Brothers you know that some time ago God made a choice among you that the Gentiles might hear from my lips the message of the Gospel and believe. God, who knows the heart showed that the accepted them by giving the Holy Spirit to them, just as He did to us. he made no distinction between us and them, for He purified their hearts by FAITH. Now then, why do you try to test God by putting on the necks of the disciples a yoke that we nor our fathers have been able to bear? No! We believe it is through the GRACE OF OUR LORD JESUS THAT WE ARE SAVED AS THEY ARE!" Galatians 5:6: For in Christ neither circumcision no uncircumcision HAS ANY VALUE. The only thing that counts is *FAITH* expressing itself through love!! Galatians 3:23-25: Before this faith came, we were held prisoners by the law, locked up until FAITH should be revealed. So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ that we might be justified by FAITH. Now that FAITH has come, WE ARE NO LONGER UNDER THE SUPERVISION OF THE LAW!! Colossians 2:16,17: Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you EAT or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a SABBATH DAY. These are a SHADOW of the things that were to come, the reality, however, is found in Christ!!! CAN A NT BELIEVER LOSE HIS SALVATION?? WHAT DOES GOD'S WORD SAY??? Romans 8;29-33,35,38,39: For those God foreknew He also predestined to be conformed to the likeness of His Son...And those He predestined, He also called; those He called , He also justified; those He justified He also glorified. What shall we say in response to this? If God is for us, who can be against us? He who did not spare His Son but gave Him up for us all--how will He not also give us all things? Who will bring any charge against those whom God has chosen? It is God who justifies. Who is he who condemns... Who shall separate us from the love of Christ?... For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels or demons, neither the present or the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord!! Romans 4:7,8: Blessed are they whose transgressions are forgiven, whose sins are covered. Blessed is the man whose sin the Lord will NEVER count against him!" John 6:37,39,44,65: Jesus says, "All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and whoever comes to Me I will NEVER drive away...And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that I shall LOSE NONE of all that He has given Me, but raise them up at the Last Day... No one can come to Me UNLESS the Father who sent Me draws him, and I will raise them up at the Last Day!... No one can come to Me UNLESS the Father has ENABLED them!!"
9/10/2016 7:23:40 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
kb2222 Jacksonville, FL 75, joined Apr. 2011	Louie, I have asked you this at least a half a dozen times and you always run and hide. Louie, Do you really believe Jesus would order man to stone and burn people to death at the stake for all these reasons? Kill People Who Don't Listen to Priests (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT) Kill Witches (Exodus 22:17 NAB) Kill Homosexuals (Leviticus 20:13 NAB) Kill Fortunetellers (Leviticus 20:27 NAB) Death for Hitting Dad (Exodus 21:15 NAB) Death for Cursing Parents (Proverbs 20:20 NAB, Leviticus 20:9 NLT) Death for Adultery (Leviticus 20:10 NLT) Death for Fornication (Leviticus 21:9 NAB) Death to Followers of Other Religions (Exodus 22:19 NAB) Kill Nonbelievers (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB) Kill False Prophets (Zechariah 13:3 NAB) Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God (Deuteronomy 13:13-18 NLT) Kill Women Who Are Not Virgins On Their Wedding Night (Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB) Kill Followers of Other Religions. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB, Deuteronomy 17:2-5 NLT) Death for Blasphemy (Leviticus 24:10-16 NLT) Kill False Prophets (Deuteronomy 13:1-5 NLT, Deuteronomy 18:20-22 NLT) Infidels and Gays Should Die (Romans 1:24-32 NLT) Kill Anyone who Approaches the Tabernacle (Numbers 1:48-51 NLT) Kill People for Working on the Sabbath (Exodus 31:12-15 NLT) Kill Sons of Sinners (Isaiah 14:21 NAB)
9/10/2016 7:39:00 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
louie6332 Falkville, AL 74, joined Nov. 2011	Prophetic, you say (9/7/2016 11:24:04 PM, in this thread: “The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is false”, pg 258): “The Lord gives many different gifts to those who are born from above. The Lord gave me the gift of prophecy.” Prophetic, you do not even know what a prophet is. Someone who repeats the words of the prophets is not a prophet. You do not even understand the prophecies you quote. You do not even understand the statements of Christ you quote. And you are a prophet? Get real. You are referring here to Pentecostals and Charismatic speaking in tongues—so now we know you are a Pentecostal (and I don’t blame you for keeping this secret for so long, I would be ashamed of it too, if I were you), you are apparently a Pentecostal, for you ask Lud: “If you did not speak in Tongues then how do you know you have been saved from hell?” I see, so you think "once saved always saved", you think you have been saved from Hell because you spoke in tongues. How arrogant can you get? Jesus says that not everyone who cries out "Lord, Lord" will be saved. And how many times do we have to tell you that only those who persevere to the end are saved. You cannot know you are saved until death seals your fate forever, you can always fall from grace before then and die in that state and be lost, if you are not careful. God the Father himself reveals this through his prophet Ezekiel, and others. Second, Pentecostalism is the marriage of the African Pagan Religion of Voo-doo married to Holiness Protestantism, and in it Satan is mimicking the gifts of the Holy Spirit, you know, being slain in the spirit, speaking in tongues, and so on. There are some interesting stories that can be told about this, but I won’t get into them here. Suffice it to say that there is an easy way to determine of this is of Divine origin: spray or sprinkle holy water on a person who is speaking in tongues, being slain by the spirit,channeling, automatic writing, or whatever, and their reaction will tell you instantly if what they are experiencing is of divine origin or not. Ordinary people cannot tell the difference between ordinary water and holy water, but Satan and his demons can, and they cannot stand it. Take care Prophetic, you are involved in the occult. And are you a prophet as you claim? No. Prophets do NOT misinterpret the prophets and the words of Christ the way you do. You are not a prophet. Louie
9/10/2016 7:58:48 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
kb2222 Jacksonville, FL 75, joined Apr. 2011	And you are not a true Christian, Louie. True Christians would have no problem answering the question I have asked you and that's a FACT and that goes for prophetic and the rest of you so-called church book indoctrinated Christians on this board.
9/10/2016 7:59:46 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 63, joined Feb. 2008 online now!	Speaking in tongues (the jibber-jabber-jibber version, not the real version of people speaking real languages) leads to bipolar disorder. I've known a lot of Pentecostas and I have seen it again and again.
9/10/2016 8:20:18 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
prophetic774 Winter Haven, FL 65, joined Feb. 2011	Louie: I am not a Pentecostal. A true prophet never ADDS or TAKES WORDS AWAY from the prophecies in God's Word like you did when you made your ridiculous prophecy that didn't occur and have made a whole lot of other prophecies that are not even remotely mentioned in God's Word; and also completely contradict the prophecies in God's Word. And like TNT and unlike all the other Roman Catholic false prophets you also don't even believe that the writings of Paul are part of God's Word. Revelation 22:16,18,19: "I, Jesus, have sent My angel to give you this testimony for the churches...I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book. If anyone ADDS anything to them {Like Louie}, God will add to him the plagues described in this book {Including eternal hell} And if anyone TAKES WORDS AWAY {like Louie}from this book of prophecy, God will add to him his share in the tree of Life and in the Holy City {The New Jerusalem} which are described in this book!!" 2 Peter 2:10-13: But the Day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will DISAPPEAR with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire , and the earth and everything in it will be burned up.. That Day will bring about the destruction of the heavens by fire, and the elements will melt in the heat. But in keeping with His promise we are looking forward to a NEW HEAVEN and a NEW EARTH, the home of righteousness!! {As per Revelation 21:1-5} Revelation 21:1-5: Then I saw a NEW HEAVEN and a NEW EARTH, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. I saw the Holy City, the NEW JERUSALEM coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband. And I heard a loud Voice from the throne saying, "Now the dwelling of God is with men, and He will live with them. They will be His people, and God Himself will be with them and be their God. He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death and crying or pain, for the old order of things have passed away!" He who was seated on the Throne said, "I am making EVERYTHING NEW!" Then He said, "Write this down, for these words are trustworthy and true!!"
9/10/2016 8:59:25 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 63, joined Feb. 2008 online now!	Quote from kb2222: There was a recent documentary on the History Channel where many Catholic priests throughout Europe established "safe houses" and forged identification for quite a number of high ranking Nazi officers freeing to escape capture at wars end. There were far more fake baptismal certificates issued to Jews to protect them from the Nazis, and Jews being hid in Catholic churches and convents all over Europe during the war, with Pope Pius' knowledge and approval. The head rabbi in Rome, Israel Zolli, was so impressed that he converted to Catholicism. See also the stories of Maximilian Kolbe and Edith Stein.
9/10/2016 8:59:54 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
louie6332 Falkville, AL 74, joined Nov. 2011	Prophetic, you said you have the gift of prophecy, you called yourself a prophet. Now tell us, What prophecy did God gave you? Tell us. Oh, I know, I know, it was in gibberish and you could not understand it. Right? Oh, and I do not blame you for not wanting to admit you are a Pentecostal or Charismatic. You claim that God has ALL authority but ALL authority does NOT include the authority to delegate authority. That Christ taught the doctrine "Once saved always saved". That Christ did not know what the Hell he was talking about when he said that not everyone who cries out "Lord, Lord" will be saved. That the prohibition against adding or subtracting from the Book of Revelations applies to all the Bible. Need I go on? Talk about the blind leading the blind! Louie [Edited 9/10/2016 9:02:29 PM ]
9/10/2016 10:13:02 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
slowpoke7 Hendersonville, TN 75, joined Feb. 2011	Behold The Lamb Of God, Which Taketh Away The Sin Of The World.
9/10/2016 10:33:07 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
prophetic774 Winter Haven, FL 65, joined Feb. 2011	Louie you only quoted half of Matthew 7:31!! Matthew 7:31: Jesus says, "Not everyone who says to Me, Lord, Lord, will inherit the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the WILL OF MY FATHER IN HEAVEN!!" Romans 8;29-33,35,38,39: For those God foreknew He also predestined to be conformed to the likeness of His Son...And those He predestined, He also called; those He called , He also justified; those He justified He also glorified. What shall we say in response to this? If God is for us, who can be against us? He who did not spare His Son but gave Him up for us all--how will He not also give us all things? Who will bring any charge against those whom God has chosen? It is God who justifies. Who is he who condemns... Who shall separate us from the love of Christ?... For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels or demons, neither the present or the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord!! Romans 4:7,8: Blessed are they whose transgressions are forgiven, whose sins are covered. Blessed is the man whose sin the Lord will NEVER count against him!" John 6:37,39,44,65: Jesus says, "All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and whoever comes to Me I will NEVER drive away...And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that I shall LOSE NONE of all that He has given Me, but raise them up at the Last Day... No one can come to Me UNLESS the Father who sent Me draws him, and I will raise them up at the Last Day!... No one can come to Me UNLESS the Father has ENABLED them!!" Hebrews 10:11-18: Day after day every priest performs his religious duties again and again he offers the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins. But when this Priest had offered for all time ONE SACRIFICE FOR SINS, He sat down at the right hand of God... Because by ONE SACRIFICE He has made *PERFECT FOREVER* those who are being made holy. The Holy Spirit also testifies to us about this. First he says: "This is the covenant I will make with them after that time says the Lord. I will put My laws in their hearts, and I will write them on their minds." The he adds" Their sins and lawless acts I will remember NO MORE." And when these have been forgiven, there is NO LONGER ANY SACRIFICE FOR SIN!! Revelation 22:16,18,19: "I, Jesus, have sent My angel to give you this testimony for the churches...I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book. If anyone ADDS anything to them {Like Louie}, God will add to him the plagues described in this book {Including eternal hell} And if anyone TAKES WORDS AWAY {like Louie}from this book of prophecy, God will add to him his share in the tree of Life and in the Holy City {The New Jerusalem} which are described in this book!!"
9/11/2016 12:05:12 AM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
tnteacher101 Morristown, TN 66, joined Aug. 2010	Quote from slowpoke7: Behold The Lamb Of God, Which Taketh Away The Sin Of The World. Slow: To say that the Blood of Yeshua cleanses us of all sins is mostly a false teaching of Paul and Paul's companion Luke. I know very well that it is sparingly mentioned in some of the book that were claimed to be written by the Apostles. I don't think Yeshua taught that His Blood would cleanse people from their sins. If Yeshua's Blood cleanses people from their sins then it would cleans the righteous and the unrighteous as well and that is not what the Bible teaches. The only way one can get forgiveness for one's sins is to ask for forgiveness and then turn from that sin. That everyone is cleansed by Yeshua's Blood is much like magic and Yeshua is not a magician. In order to enter into Yahweh's Rest one day we must follow Yahweh's Laws/Torah and Commands. It is that simple and that complex. Steve
9/11/2016 7:16:08 AM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
tnteacher101 Morristown, TN 66, joined Aug. 2010	I posted this very important information on my other thread about Genesis that some Bible readers more than likely do not understand and possibly have never even thought of. This is a huge piece of the Bible puzzle that everyone needs to be familiar with. Because of the importance in understanding this information I will post it here just in case some didn't read my other thread. All Bible readers need to be well aware of this more than important Bible truth. Here it is: Nubian: I am sorry that you and Share are not going to be able to grasp/understand this very important truth of Genesis. The articles I posted didn't explain it the very same way that I would have explained it. There are a few simple points that need to be made between the creation of mankind and the forming of Adam and Eve. The Sixth Day Creation: Yahweh created mankind. Yahweh did not bother giving them names. Yahweh told them to multiply and to replenish the Earth. After Yahweh rested on the Seventh Day and what some call the Eighth Day Man: Note: The amount of time between Yahweh's Sixth Day Creation and the time that Yahweh said that He needed someone to tend His Garden is not stated. This very well could have been hundreds of thousands of years after the creation of the Sixth Day Man (mankind). This explains very well the reason that scientists have found bones of man that were hundreds of thousands of years older than the six thousand years that Adam and Eve and their descendants have been on this Earth. If this more than important information had been understood at the time of the Scopes Monkey Trial in the blessed state of Tennessee then the heathen and totally incorrect "Theory of Evolution" would not have gotten the foothold that it did. Yahweh said He did not have anyone to tend His Garden. Yahweh formed Adam out of the soil of the Earth much like a Potter would form a vessel. Yahweh gave Adam a name. Yahweh took a portion of the body of Adam and formed Eve to be Adam's Help Meet thus the same exact DNA and the perfect Helpmate. Notice that Yahweh also gave Eve a name. Yahweh did not tell Adam and Eve to multiply because it was not necessary for them to multiply since they were to live forever and ever in His Garden. Yahweh placed his hand crafted "formed" vessels Adam and Eve in His Garden to tend and care for His Garden. I would think that most know the rest of the story. Major note: Those that are descendants of the Sixth Day Creation and not descendants of Adam and Eve need not be too overly concerned and should not feel inferior since the Sixth Day Creation can be grafted into the more than blessed offspring of Adam and Eve, if and this is a huge if, if they will follow Yahweh's Laws/Torah and Commands. I am sure I have probably left out some very important information/details but from the above information most people should be able to get a very good grasp/idea of the difference between the Sixth Day Man, Creation of Mankind, and what some call the Eighth Day Man which is none other than the more than blessed Adam and Eve. Steve
9/11/2016 1:27:13 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
prophetic774 Winter Haven, FL 65, joined Feb. 2011	"WE ARE SAVED BY FAITH WHICH IS THE FREE GIFT OF GOD--NOT BY WORKS SO THAT NO ONE CAN BOAST!!" Titus 3:3,4: At one time we too were foolish, disobedient, deceived and enslaved by all kinds of passions and pleasures. We lived in malice and envy, being hated and hating one another. But when the kindness and LOVE of God our Savior appeared , he saved us, NOT BECAUSE OF RIGHTEOUS THINGS WE HAD DONE, but because of HIS MERCY!! Romans 11:5,6: At the present time there is a remnant CHOSEN BY GRACE! And if by grace it is NO LONGER BY WORKS; if it were, grace would no longer be grace!! Romans 9:30-32: What then shall we say? That the Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, have obtained it, a righteousness that is BY FAITH; but Israel, who pursued a law of righteousness, has not attained it. Why not? Because they pursued it NOT BY FAITH but as it were by works!! Romans 4:5-8: To the man who does not work but trusts God who justifies the wicked, HIS FAITH is credited as righteousness. David says the same thing when he speaks of the blessedness of the man to whom God credits righteousness APART FROM WORKS: "Blessed are they whose transgressions are forgiven, whose sins are covered. Blessed is the man whose sin the Lord will NEVER COUNT AGAINST HIM!!" {Psalm 32:1,2} Ephesians 1:5-8: In LOVE He predestined us to be adopted as His sons through Jesus Christ, in accordance with His pleasure and will--to the praise of His GLORIOUS GRACE, which He has freely given us in the One He loves. In Him we have REDEMPTION THROUGH HIS BLOOD, the FORGIVENESS OF SINS, in accordance with the riches of God's grace that He lavished on us with all wisdom and understanding! Ephesians 2:4-10: Because of His great LOVE for us, God,, who is rich in mercy, made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions--it is BY GRACE you have been saved! And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with Him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus, in order that in the coming ages He might show the incomparable riches of His grace, expressed in His kindness to us in Christ Jesus. For it is BY GRACE you have been saved, through faith-- and this NOT FROM YOURSELVES, it is the GIFT of God--NOT BY WORKS, so that no one can boast. For we are God's workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do!! John 3:3: Jesus says, I tell you the Truth, no one can see the Kingdom of God UNLESS HE IS BORN AGAIN!!" John 1:12,13: To all who received Him, to those who believed in His name, he gave the right to become children of God--children born not of natural descent, NOR OF A HUMAN DECISION or a husband's will but, BORN OF GOD!! John 6:37,39,44,65: Jesus says, "ALL that the Father gives Me WILL come to Me, and whoever comes to Me I will NEVER drive away... And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that I shall LOSE NONE of all that He has given Me, but raise them up at the Last Day.... No one can come to Me UNLESS the Father who sent Me DRAWS HIM, and I will raise him up at the Last Day!!... No one can come to Me UNLESS the Father has ENABLED THEM!!" Romans 829-33,35,38,39: For those God foreknew He also predestined to be conformed to the likeness of His Son...And those He PREDESTINED, He also called; those He CALLED, He also justified; those He JUSTIFIED He also GLORIFIED. What shall we say in response to this? If God is for us, who can be against us? He who did not spare His Son but gave Him up for us all--how will He not also give us all things? Who will bring any charge against those WHOM GOD HAS CHOSEN? It is God who justifies. Who is he who condemns... Who shall separate us from the LOVE of Christ?... For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels or demons, neither the present or the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the LOVE** of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord!!
9/11/2016 1:48:11 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
louie6332 Falkville, AL 74, joined Nov. 2011	Very briefly, concerning Genesis, Most Christians today do not understand the nature of the Bible, that the Bible, both Old and New Testaments, is Jewish. The divine revelation and prophecy in it, both old and new testaments, was given by God to the Jews concerning them and their nation. And the history in it is Jewish history, and the genealogy in it is Jewish genealogy that traces the genealogy of the Jews back to their first father Adam. It is not the history of the Earth, the Universe, or of other races of men upon the Earth. The history of the Earth and the Universe go way back beyond Adam, who was created a mere 6000 years ago. The Earth was originally created by God as an inhabitable planet for the angels, this was to be their home. And they lived here for a very long time. The great structures and earthworks on Earth, such as the Great Pyramids in Egypt and elsewhere were built by them. After the Angelic Revolt, the angels were ordered to leave the Earth and man was created upon the Earth in their stead, and the trial of man upon the Earth began. After God created man upon the Earth, man eventually grew wicked and apostate, leading God to destroy the surface of the Earth and most life on it, and life afterwards began anew with the few survivors and sometimes with a new creation (of men and animals). This has repeated itself about six times to date. Each of these destructions was brought about by a massive wayward celestial body that God sent to engage the Earth in near collision. These destructions of the Earth’s surface were said to alternate between destruction primarily by fire and destruction primarily by flood. The Great Flood of Noah was just the last time that this occurred. There is physical evidence of these destructions in the Earth’s surface as well as in the periodicity of the year, month, and day. For the history of other races of man on Earth you have to go to the Legends of the Peoples, which is their prehistory passed down through the various destructions of the Earth’s surface by word of mouth (occasionally there is a remnant of a written record that survived, but they are rare) . And this reveals that each of the races of men on Earth had their own first fathers, each was separately created by God upon the Earth. One race of men on Earth did not evolve from another. In fact, Catherine Emmerich noted that when Adam was created, there were men far to the East. (Of course Adam, who named everything, did not know of them and so did not name them. He named his own creation of humans “men”. The term “men” in Genesis did not include other races of humans; the history in Genesis is that of Adam and his descendants only). Note: the original creation of the Universe and of the Earth as an inhabitable planet is not in Genesis. But the description of the original creation of the Earth as an inhabitable planet is contained in bits and pieces throughout other books of the OT, but I won’t get into it right here. The different surfaces of the Earth, and therefore the different periods between destructions of the Earth’s surface, were referred to in the Jewish terminology as “worlds”. So the destruction of the Earth’s surface simultaneously gave rise to a new surface. As one “world” was destroyed another was created. These destructions of the Earth’s surface caused the surface to flip upon its axis, so that the heavens that were visible from the Northern hemisphere were no longer visible, instead the heavens that had been visible from the Southern hemisphere were seen. So in the Jewish terminology, there were new heavens and a new Earth. It was the same Earth with a reformed surface, and the same heavens from a different vantage point. Genesis does not go into the creation of the Universe. It describes the creation of the “world” of Adam, which took literally, six days. That is, the massive wayward celestial body that God went to destroy the previous “world” engaged the Earth in near collision for six days before separating and going its own way, during which time the wayward body and the Earth did a kind of crazy dance around each other. Louie
9/11/2016 1:52:12 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
kb2222 Jacksonville, FL 75, joined Apr. 2011	Louie, I have asked you this at least a half a dozen times and you always run and hide. Louie, Do you really believe Jesus would order man to stone and burn people to death at the stake for all these reasons? Kill People Who Don't Listen to Priests (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT) Kill Witches (Exodus 22:17 NAB) Kill Homosexuals (Leviticus 20:13 NAB) Kill Fortunetellers (Leviticus 20:27 NAB) Death for Hitting Dad (Exodus 21:15 NAB) Death for Cursing Parents (Proverbs 20:20 NAB, Leviticus 20:9 NLT) Death for Adultery (Leviticus 20:10 NLT) Death for Fornication (Leviticus 21:9 NAB) Death to Followers of Other Religions (Exodus 22:19 NAB) Kill Nonbelievers (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB) Kill False Prophets (Zechariah 13:3 NAB) Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God (Deuteronomy 13:13-18 NLT) Kill Women Who Are Not Virgins On Their Wedding Night (Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB) Kill Followers of Other Religions. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB, Deuteronomy 17:2-5 NLT) Death for Blasphemy (Leviticus 24:10-16 NLT) Kill False Prophets (Deuteronomy 13:1-5 NLT, Deuteronomy 18:20-22 NLT) Infidels and Gays Should Die (Romans 1:24-32 NLT) Kill Anyone who Approaches the Tabernacle (Numbers 1:48-51 NLT) Kill People for Working on the Sabbath (Exodus 31:12-15 NLT) Kill Sons of Sinners (Isaiah 14:21 NAB)
9/11/2016 2:52:55 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 63, joined Feb. 2008 online now!	Mortal sins are nasty.
9/11/2016 3:00:42 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
kb2222 Jacksonville, FL 75, joined Apr. 2011	You are criminally insane if you would kill your son if he cursed you or kill your daughter if she was not a virgin on her wedding day or would kill people for all those other absurd reasons, Ludlow. And you are spiritually INSANE to believe God/Jesus would.
9/11/2016 3:02:07 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
bigd9832 Chicago, IL 63, joined Oct. 2007	There is no such thing as a "mortal" sin. The Catholic church lies.
9/11/2016 5:29:18 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
tnteacher101 Morristown, TN 66, joined Aug. 2010	Quote from ludlowlowell: Mortal sins are nasty. Low: I showed you the verse from the Bible that shows without any doubt at all that murderers are to be sent to Yahweh and are not to continue living on this Earth. When someone sheds innocent blood they simply lose the right to live on this Earth. I am not sure why you are having such a difficult time understanding such simple truths. Genesis 9:6 ESV “Whoever sheds the blood of man, by man shall his blood be shed, for God made man in his own image. Exodus 23:7 ESV Keep far from a false charge, and do not kill the innocent and righteous, for I will not acquit the wicked. Steve
9/11/2016 6:12:34 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 63, joined Feb. 2008 online now!	Steve, the Church teaches that those verses belong to unrepentant murderers. God is willing to forgive repentant sinners, even murderers. Such is the mercy and goodness of God.
9/11/2016 6:24:10 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
bigd9832 Chicago, IL 63, joined Oct. 2007	ludlow, you have never been able to show that in the Bible. The Catholic church lies.
9/11/2016 6:27:15 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 63, joined Feb. 2008 online now!	Quote from bigd9832: ludlow, you have never been able to show that in the Bible. The Catholic church lies. It doesn't have to be in the Bible. All it has to do is be taught by the Church.
9/11/2016 6:33:24 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
bigd9832 Chicago, IL 63, joined Oct. 2007	You have never been able to prove that. But even IF that is true, you church can't just ignore what the Bible says. And they can't just make up something out of the thin air. You really are brain washed, aren't you? The Catholic church lies.
9/11/2016 6:47:47 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
tnteacher101 Morristown, TN 66, joined Aug. 2010	Quote from ludlowlowell: Steve, the Church teaches that those verses belong to unrepentant murderers. God is willing to forgive repentant sinners, even murderers. Such is the mercy and goodness of God. Low: It makes no difference what any church teaches, the Bible is the final authority and what the Bible teaches trumps what any church teaches every time. Yahweh is the Supreme Authority and all the churches are merely want to be authority figures compared to Yahweh. Low: You need to make up your mind if Yahweh is your God or if your sickly and miserable lawless church is your god. There is a huge/major difference. Following Yahweh Laws/Torah and Commands will eventually lead you to Yahweh's Rest/Paradise/Heave. Simply following what man made churches tell you that are contrary/opposed to the Laws of Yahweh can very well lead you to that more than warm place that some call hades/hell. You mostly talk about your church and very seldom talk about Yahweh, and that is a very good indication of who your god actually is. Steve
9/11/2016 7:56:33 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
prophetic774 Winter Haven, FL 65, joined Feb. 2011	"WE ARE SAVED BY FAITH WHICH IS THE FREE GIFT OF GOD--NOT BY WORKS SO THAT NO ONE CAN BOAST!!" Titus 3:3,4: At one time we too were foolish, disobedient, deceived and enslaved by all kinds of passions and pleasures. We lived in malice and envy, being hated and hating one another. But when the kindness and LOVE of God our Savior appeared , he saved us, NOT BECAUSE OF RIGHTEOUS THINGS WE HAD DONE, but because of HIS MERCY!! Romans 11:5,6: At the present time there is a remnant CHOSEN BY GRACE! And if by grace it is NO LONGER BY WORKS; if it were, grace would no longer be grace!! Romans 9:30-32: What then shall we say? That the Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, have obtained it, a righteousness that is BY FAITH; but Israel, who pursued a law of righteousness, has not attained it. Why not? Because they pursued it NOT BY FAITH but as it were by works!! Romans 4:5-8: To the man who does not work but trusts God who justifies the wicked, HIS FAITH is credited as righteousness. David says the same thing when he speaks of the blessedness of the man to whom God credits righteousness APART FROM WORKS: "Blessed are they whose transgressions are forgiven, whose sins are covered. Blessed is the man whose sin the Lord will NEVER COUNT AGAINST HIM!!" {Psalm 32:1,2} Ephesians 1:5-8: In LOVE He predestined us to be adopted as His sons through Jesus Christ, in accordance with His pleasure and will--to the praise of His GLORIOUS GRACE, which He has freely given us in the One He loves. In Him we have REDEMPTION THROUGH HIS BLOOD, the FORGIVENESS OF SINS, in accordance with the riches of God's grace that He lavished on us with all wisdom and understanding! Ephesians 2:4-10: Because of His great LOVE for us, God,, who is rich in mercy, made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions--it is BY GRACE you have been saved! And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with Him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus, in order that in the coming ages He might show the incomparable riches of His grace, expressed in His kindness to us in Christ Jesus. For it is BY GRACE you have been saved, through faith-- and this NOT FROM YOURSELVES, it is the GIFT of God--NOT BY WORKS, so that no one can boast. For we are God's workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do!! John 3:3: Jesus says, I tell you the Truth, no one can see the Kingdom of God UNLESS HE IS BORN AGAIN!!" John 1:12,13: To all who received Him, to those who believed in His name, he gave the right to become children of God--children born not of natural descent, NOR OF A HUMAN DECISION or a husband's will but, BORN OF GOD!! John 6:37,39,44,65: Jesus says, "ALL that the Father gives Me WILL come to Me, and whoever comes to Me I will NEVER drive away... And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that I shall LOSE NONE of all that He has given Me, but raise them up at the Last Day.... No one can come to Me UNLESS the Father who sent Me DRAWS HIM, and I will raise him up at the Last Day!!... No one can come to Me UNLESS the Father has ENABLED THEM!!" Romans 829-33,35,38,39: For those God foreknew He also predestined to be conformed to the likeness of His Son...And those He PREDESTINED, He also called; those He CALLED, He also justified; those He JUSTIFIED He also GLORIFIED. What shall we say in response to this? If God is for us, who can be against us? He who did not spare His Son but gave Him up for us all--how will He not also give us all things? Who will bring any charge against those WHOM GOD HAS CHOSEN? It is God who justifies. Who is he who condemns... Who shall separate us from the LOVE of Christ?... For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels or demons, neither the present or the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the LOVE** of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord!!
9/11/2016 9:18:45 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
tnteacher101 Morristown, TN 66, joined Aug. 2010	Quote from prophetic774: "WE ARE SAVED BY FAITH WHICH IS THE FREE GIFT OF GOD--NOT BY WORKS SO THAT NO ONE CAN BOAST!!" Titus 3:3,4: At one time we too were foolish, disobedient, deceived and enslaved by all kinds of passions and pleasures. We lived in malice and envy, being hated and hating one another. But when the kindness and LOVE of God our Savior appeared , he saved us, NOT BECAUSE OF RIGHTEOUS THINGS WE HAD DONE, but because of HIS MERCY!! Romans 11:5,6: At the present time there is a remnant CHOSEN BY GRACE! And if by grace it is NO LONGER BY WORKS; if it were, grace would no longer be grace!! Romans 9:30-32: What then shall we say? That the Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, have obtained it, a righteousness that is BY FAITH; but Israel, who pursued a law of righteousness, has not attained it. Why not? Because they pursued it NOT BY FAITH but as it were by works!! Romans 4:5-8: To the man who does not work but trusts God who justifies the wicked, HIS FAITH is credited as righteousness. David says the same thing when he speaks of the blessedness of the man to whom God credits righteousness APART FROM WORKS: "Blessed are they whose transgressions are forgiven, whose sins are covered. Blessed is the man whose sin the Lord will NEVER COUNT AGAINST HIM!!" {Psalm 32:1,2} Ephesians 1:5-8: In LOVE He predestined us to be adopted as His sons through Jesus Christ, in accordance with His pleasure and will--to the praise of His GLORIOUS GRACE, which He has freely given us in the One He loves. In Him we have REDEMPTION THROUGH HIS BLOOD, the FORGIVENESS OF SINS, in accordance with the riches of God's grace that He lavished on us with all wisdom and understanding! Ephesians 2:4-10: Because of His great LOVE for us, God,, who is rich in mercy, made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions--it is BY GRACE you have been saved! And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with Him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus, in order that in the coming ages He might show the incomparable riches of His grace, expressed in His kindness to us in Christ Jesus. For it is BY GRACE you have been saved, through faith-- and this NOT FROM YOURSELVES, it is the GIFT of God--NOT BY WORKS, so that no one can boast. For we are God's workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do!! John 3:3: Jesus says, I tell you the Truth, no one can see the Kingdom of God UNLESS HE IS BORN AGAIN!!" John 1:12,13: To all who received Him, to those who believed in His name, he gave the right to become children of God--children born not of natural descent, NOR OF A HUMAN DECISION or a husband's will but, BORN OF GOD!! John 6:37,39,44,65: Jesus says, "ALL that the Father gives Me WILL come to Me, and whoever comes to Me I will NEVER drive away... And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that I shall LOSE NONE of all that He has given Me, but raise them up at the Last Day.... No one can come to Me UNLESS the Father who sent Me DRAWS HIM, and I will raise him up at the Last Day!!... No one can come to Me UNLESS the Father has ENABLED THEM!!" Romans 829-33,35,38,39: For those God foreknew He also predestined to be conformed to the likeness of His Son...And those He PREDESTINED, He also called; those He CALLED, He also justified; those He JUSTIFIED He also GLORIFIED. What shall we say in response to this? If God is for us, who can be against us? He who did not spare His Son but gave Him up for us all--how will He not also give us all things? Who will bring any charge against those WHOM GOD HAS CHOSEN? It is God who justifies. Who is he who condemns... Who shall separate us from the LOVE of Christ?... For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels or demons, neither the present or the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the LOVE** of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord!! Prop: You are again carpet bombing my threads and other people's threads with the same false and corrupt teachings of the lawless and heathen Paul. This is what I posted on my other thread and you need to read it slowly and cautiously: Prop: The Bible plainly teaches that we must follow Yahweh's Laws/Torah and Commands in order to make it to Yahweh's Rest/Paradise/Heaven. Of course we must have faith or we would not follow/observe Yahweh Laws. James, the brother of Yeshua, made it more than clear that faith by itself is, for the most part, worthless. You need to decide if you trust the teachings of the true Apostle James or the lawless heathen murderer, tare and false apostle Paul. It is more than obvious that you have already made the weak and flawed decision to follow the lawless heathen Paul. You are simply in love with the lawless Paul and you have abandoned the Blessed teachings of Yahweh. You have been beguiled/seduced by the "spouter of lies". James 2:18 King James Bible Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. Steve
9/12/2016 9:40:20 AM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
freegratis Irving, TX 49, joined Dec. 2011	Oh I know your answer through your lack of answering me directly, as I have stated... Quote from kb2222: I already gave you my answer. The need to inflict pain and shed blood to appease and angry God is what primitive man believed. Jesus was called the Lamb of God in ignorance of Gods true loving and caring nature. God is a Holy, Divine, Perfect Spirit Personality and it is utter ignorant foolishness to believe such a Perfect Personality would kill His own Son to atone for the sin of others. Now, why do you think the book the church compiled is unquestionably Gods rule book? Keep it simple kb2222, so you can be of help to anyone with a comprehension problem. YES OR NO? Does God require a blood sacrifice? Leviticus 17:11 For the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given it to you upon the altar to make atonement for your souls; for it is the blood that makes atonement for the soul.’ I didn't ask if the lamb feels pain. So your answer kb222, is NO, God does not require a blood sacrifice as written in Leviticus because Leviticus is a book of garbage per kb2222. Why did Hebrews perform blood sacrifice with an unblemished lamb? (To merely follow how the lamb lived?) Per kb2222, Hebrews, like Adam were primitive man and as such they were ignorant of the God which literally walked among them or in the clouds or fire; they knew not of God's commands as spoken to them directly according to the bible. Quote from kb2222: Your lack of an answer tells me the book of Leviticus is garbage to you; you know nothing about an unblemished lamb; you know nothing about the Lamb of God or the reason we even know of Yeshua; but you know much about 987,000,000,000 years ago and associate force organizer and then acting inspector number 811,307 of the Orvonton series. Another babbling rant. If you will notice, the babbling rants are from the Urantia foolishness book you worship. [Edited 9/12/2016 9:41:35 AM ]
9/12/2016 9:45:49 AM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
freegratis Irving, TX 49, joined Dec. 2011	Quote from kb2222: Louie, I have asked you this at least a half a dozen times and you always run and hide. Louie, Do you really believe Jesus would order man to stone and burn people to death at the stake for all these reasons? Kill People Who Don't Listen to Priests (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT) Kill Witches (Exodus 22:17 NAB) Kill Homosexuals (Leviticus 20:13 NAB) Kill Fortunetellers (Leviticus 20:27 NAB) Death for Hitting Dad (Exodus 21:15 NAB) Death for Cursing Parents (Proverbs 20:20 NAB, Leviticus 20:9 NLT) Death for Adultery (Leviticus 20:10 NLT) Death for Fornication (Leviticus 21:9 NAB) Death to Followers of Other Religions (Exodus 22:19 NAB) Kill Nonbelievers (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB) Kill False Prophets (Zechariah 13:3 NAB) Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God (Deuteronomy 13:13-18 NLT) Kill Women Who Are Not Virgins On Their Wedding Night (Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB) Kill Followers of Other Religions. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB, Deuteronomy 17:2-5 NLT) Death for Blasphemy (Leviticus 24:10-16 NLT) Kill False Prophets (Deuteronomy 13:1-5 NLT, Deuteronomy 18:20-22 NLT) Infidels and Gays Should Die (Romans 1:24-32 NLT) Kill Anyone who Approaches the Tabernacle (Numbers 1:48-51 NLT) Kill People for Working on the Sabbath (Exodus 31:12-15 NLT) Kill Sons of Sinners (Isaiah 14:21 NAB) You forgot the first one... Genesis 2:16-17 Would God kill or even allow someone to die for eating from a tree? And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, “Of every tree of the garden you may freely eat; but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die.”
9/12/2016 9:53:08 AM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
prophetic774 Winter Haven, FL 65, joined Feb. 2011	"WE ARE SAVED BY FAITH WHICH IS THE FREE GIFT OF GOD--NOT BY WORKS SO THAT NO ONE CAN BOAST!!" Ephesians 2:4-10: Because of His great love for us, God,, who is rich in mercy, made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions--it is BY GRACE you have been saved! And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with Him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus, in order that in the coming ages He might show the incomparable riches of His grace, expressed in His kindness to us in Christ Jesus. For it is BY GRACE you have been saved, through faith-- and this NOT FROM YOURSELVES, it is the GIFT of God--NOT BY WORKS, so that no one can boast. FOR WE ARE GOD'S WORKMANSHIP, CREATED IN CHRIST JESUS TO DO GOOD WORKS, WHICH GOD PREPARED IN ADVANCE FOR US TO DO!! Everyone agrees that "FAITH without GOOD WORKS is dead!" as per James 2:17. However, the reason that God's born again from above saints do good works is NOT TO BE SAVED but to bring MUCH PRAISE to our Father and Jesus Christ and to gain countless ETERNAL REWARDS for faithful and loving service. Matthew 5:16: Jesus says, "Let your light shine before men, that they may see your good deeds and PRAISE YOUR FATHER IN HEAVEN!!" Matthew 16:27: Jesus says, “The Son of Man is going to come in His Father's glory with His angels and THEN He will REWARD each person according to what he has done!” 2 Corinthians 5:9,10: We make it our goal to please Him... for we must all appear before the Judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive WHAT IS DUE HIM for the things done while in the body, whether good or bad. 1 Corinthians 3:13-15: His work will be shown for what it is, because the Day will bring it to light. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each man's work. If what he has built survives , he will receive his REWARD. If it is burned up he will suffer loss; he himself will be saved, but only as one escaping through the flames. Colossians 3:23-25: Whatever you do, work at it with all your heart, as working for the Lord, not for men, since you know that you will receive an inheritance from the Lord as a REWARD. It is the Lord Christ you are serving. Anyone who does wrong will be repaid for his wrong, and there is no favoritism. I Corinthians 9:24-27: Do you not know that in a race all the runners run, but only one gets the prize? Run in such a way as to get the prize. Everyone who competes in the games goes in to strict training. They do it to get a CROWN that will not last; but we do it to get a CROWN THAT WILL LAST FOREVER! Therefore, I do not run like a man running aimlessly. I do not fight like a man beating the air. No, I beat my body and make it my slave so that after I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified for the prize! 2 John 1:8: Watch out that you do not lose what you have worked for, but that you may be REWARDED fully!. Titus 3:3,4: At one time we too were foolish, disobedient, deceived and enslaved by all kinds of passions and pleasures. We lived in malice and envy, being hated and hating one another. But when the kindness and LOVE of God our Savior appeared , he saved us, NOT BECAUSE OF RIGHTEOUS THINGS WE HAD DONE, but because of HIS MERCY!! Romans 11:5,6: At the present time there is a remnant CHOSEN BY GRACE! And if by grace it is NO LONGER BY WORKS; if it were, grace would no longer be grace!! Romans 9:30-32: What then shall we say? That the Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, have obtained it, a righteousness that is BY FAITH; but Israel, who pursued a law of righteousness, has not attained it Why not? Because they pursued it NOT BY FAITH but as it were by works!! Romans 4:5-8: To the man who does not work but trusts God who justifies the wicked, HIS FAITH is credited as righteousness. David says the same thing when he speaks of the blessedness of the man to whom God credits righteousness APART FROM WORKS: "Blessed are they whose transgressions are forgiven, whose sins are covered. Blessed is the man whose sin the Lord will NEVER COUNT AGAINST HIM!!" {Psalm 32:1,2} Ephesians 1:5-8: In love He predestined us to be adopted as His sons through Jesus Christ, in accordance with His pleasure and will--to the praise of His GLORIOUS GRACE, which He has freely given us in the One He loves. In Him we have REDEMPTION THROUGH HIS BLOOD, the FORGIVENESS OF SINS, in accordance with the riches of God's grace that He lavished on us with all wisdom and understanding! John 3:3: Jesus says, I tell you the Truth, no one can see the Kingdom of God UNLESS HE IS BORN AGAIN!!" John 1:12,13: To all who received Him, to those who believed in His name, he gave the right to become children of God--children born not of natural descent, NOR OF A HUMAN DECISION or a husband's will but, BORN OF GOD!! John 6:37,39,44,65: Jesus says, "ALL that the Father gives Me WILL come to Me, and whoever comes to Me I will NEVER drive away... And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that I shall LOSE NONE of all that He has given Me, but raise them up at the Last Day.... No one can come to Me UNLESS the Father who sent Me DRAWS HIM, and I will raise him up at the Last Day!!... No one can come to Me UNLESS the Father has ENABLED THEM!!" Romans 829-33,35,38,39: For those God foreknew He also predestined to be conformed to the likeness of His Son...And those He PREDESTINED, He also called; those He CALLED, He also justified; those He JUSTIFIED He also GLORIFIED. What shall we say in response to this? If God is for us, who can be against us? He who did not spare His Son but gave Him up for us all--how will He not also give us all things? Who will bring any charge against those WHOM GOD HAS CHOSEN? It is God who justifies. Who is he who condemns... Who shall separate us from the love of Christ?... For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels or demons, neither the present or the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord!! Galatians 3:23-25: "Before faith came, we were held prisoners by the law, locked up until faith should be revealed. So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ that we might be JUSTIFIED BY FAITH*. Now that faith has come, WE* ARE NO LONGER UNDER THE SUPERVISION OF THE LAW!!"
9/12/2016 10:14:00 AM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
freegratis Irving, TX 49, joined Dec. 2011	Quote from tnteacher101: James 2:18 King James Bible Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. Steve Steve, James is showing his faith. As I have said to ludlowlowell, having proper faith (and the time to act, unlike the thief on the cross) will most likely have works to demonstrate one's faith. Ephesians 2:10 follows Ephesians 2:8-9. 8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast. 10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.
9/12/2016 10:26:31 AM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
freegratis Irving, TX 49, joined Dec. 2011	Quote from bigd9832: ludlow, you have never been able to show that in the Bible. The Catholic church lies. Are you asking ludlowlowell to prove God is willing to forgive repentant sinners, even murderers.? If so, look at King David and Bathsheba and Bathsheba's husband Uriah whom David had killed. David is a man after God's own heart and wrote some of the bible. 2 Samuel 11-12
9/12/2016 11:15:34 AM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
kb2222 Jacksonville, FL 75, joined Apr. 2011	Quote from freegratis: Keep it simple kb2222, so you can be of help to anyone with a comprehension problem. I have. I asked you a simple question and instead of answering it you post these nonsensical rants. Again, freegratis, why do you think the book the church compiled is unquestionably Gods rule book? And while you are at it tell me why you believe it is just to stone and burn people to death at the stake for all these reasons? And why you believe that is what Jesus would order man to do? Kill People Who Don't Listen to Priests (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT) Kill Witches (Exodus 22:17 NAB) Kill Homosexuals (Leviticus 20:13 NAB) Kill Fortunetellers (Leviticus 20:27 NAB) Death for Hitting Dad (Exodus 21:15 NAB) Death for Cursing Parents (Proverbs 20:20 NAB, Leviticus 20:9 NLT) Death for Adultery (Leviticus 20:10 NLT) Death for Fornication (Leviticus 21:9 NAB) Death to Followers of Other Religions (Exodus 22:19 NAB) Kill Nonbelievers (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB) Kill False Prophets (Zechariah 13:3 NAB) Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God (Deuteronomy 13:13-18 NLT) Kill Women Who Are Not Virgins On Their Wedding Night (Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB) Kill Followers of Other Religions. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB, Deuteronomy 17:2-5 NLT) Death for Blasphemy (Leviticus 24:10-16 NLT) Kill False Prophets (Deuteronomy 13:1-5 NLT, Deuteronomy 18:20-22 NLT) Infidels and Gays Should Die (Romans 1:24-32 NLT) Kill Anyone who Approaches the Tabernacle (Numbers 1:48-51 NLT) Kill People for Working on the Sabbath (Exodus 31:12-15 NLT) Kill Sons of Sinners (Isaiah 14:21 NAB) [Edited 9/12/2016 11:18:12 AM ]
9/12/2016 2:11:21 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
tnteacher101 Morristown, TN 66, joined Aug. 2010	Quote from freegratis: Are you asking ludlowlowell to prove God is willing to forgive repentant sinners, even murderers.? If so, look at King David and Bathsheba and Bathsheba's husband Uriah whom David had killed. David is a man after God's own heart and wrote some of the bible. 2 Samuel 11-12 Gratis: It is my view that David put Uriah in a dangerous position but was not really considered a murderer. All people when they are in battle are in danger of being killed but the Generals and such are not guilty of murder when they order their foot soldiers into battle. Some think that at that time in history when the men would go to battle that it was customary to give their wives a written bill of divorce just in case they never showed up again. At that time there were so many soldiers killed in battle and they more than likely did not have dog tags to determine which soldiers were killed. If it could not be determined that the husband had been killed in battle then the wife could never remarry and most women at that time did not work so if they did not remarry the wife and children would more than likely have starved. With a bill of divorce if the man did not show up then the woman could remarry. Hosea 6:6 (Tanakh) For I desire goodness, not sacrifice; Obedience to God, rather than burnt offerings. Steve
9/12/2016 3:11:42 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
louie6332 Falkville, AL 74, joined Nov. 2011	Does God forgive repentant sinners? Yes, if they sincerely repent and commit the sin no more till death seals their fate forever. But there is a penalty to be paid for the sin. The penalty for murder is the death penalty. This is what "penance" is all about. Prophetic, you have said that you are a prophet and that you have the gift of prophecy (apparently you know that from speaking in tongues during a Pentecostal or Pentecostal Charismatic session, although you are apparently ashamed to admit that now). So tell us Prophetic, what did God reveal to you? Why won’t you tell us? It’s a fair question. What did God reveal to you? In regards to this question, I hear nothing but silence. Maybe you realized that you were not a prophet after all, that you overstated your “gift”? You don’t understand what the prophets and Christ said, you don’t even know what a prophet is. Louie
9/12/2016 3:26:26 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
freegratis Irving, TX 49, joined Dec. 2011	Quote from tnteacher101: Gratis: It is my view that David put Uriah in a dangerous position but was not really considered a murderer. It is the view of 2 Samuel 12:9 that David was guilty of killing Uriah. In verse 13 and following, David is repentant. And we have the Psalms to help teach us to cry out to God for forgiveness.
9/12/2016 3:33:58 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
freegratis Irving, TX 49, joined Dec. 2011	Quote from kb2222: I have. I asked you a simple question and instead of answering it you post these nonsensical rants. Again, freegratis, why do you think the book the church compiled is unquestionably Gods rule book? ... You, sir, are a broken record; A CD with a scratch; and a download stream hiccuping from low bandwidth. I gave you your red letter, Jesus said, quotations of the Old Testament which you despise. The New Testament was written while the witnesses could still be questions. If you were sincere, you would google the additional authenticities yourself. You have a problem with God putting to death someone who did not obey to NOT EAT from a tree back in the Garden of Eden. Of course your righteousness is better than God's in your view so as to not stone an adulterer or fornicator etc.
9/12/2016 3:41:57 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
freegratis Irving, TX 49, joined Dec. 2011	Quote from kb2222: I have. I asked you a simple question and instead of answering it you post these nonsensical rants. Again, freegratis, why do you think the book the church compiled is unquestionably Gods rule book? And while you are at it tell me why you believe it is just to stone and burn people to death at the stake for all these reasons? And why you believe that is what Jesus would order man to do? Kill People Who Don't Listen to Priests (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT) Kill Witches (Exodus 22:17 NAB) Kill Homosexuals (Leviticus 20:13 NAB) Kill Fortunetellers (Leviticus 20:27 NAB) Death for Hitting Dad (Exodus 21:15 NAB) Death for Cursing Parents (Proverbs 20:20 NAB, Leviticus 20:9 NLT) Death for Adultery (Leviticus 20:10 NLT) Death for Fornication (Leviticus 21:9 NAB) Death to Followers of Other Religions (Exodus 22:19 NAB) Kill Nonbelievers (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB) Kill False Prophets (Zechariah 13:3 NAB) Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God (Deuteronomy 13:13-18 NLT) Kill Women Who Are Not Virgins On Their Wedding Night (Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB) Kill Followers of Other Religions. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB, Deuteronomy 17:2-5 NLT) Death for Blasphemy (Leviticus 24:10-16 NLT) Kill False Prophets (Deuteronomy 13:1-5 NLT, Deuteronomy 18:20-22 NLT) Infidels and Gays Should Die (Romans 1:24-32 NLT) Kill Anyone who Approaches the Tabernacle (Numbers 1:48-51 NLT) Kill People for Working on the Sabbath (Exodus 31:12-15 NLT) Kill Sons of Sinners (Isaiah 14:21 NAB) kb2222, Since you and I cannot communicate with sentences, I offered you a simple YES or NO alternative. I gave you a YES to your broken record queries already. Remember you flipped out? That is why I suggested you answer YES or NO about Leviticus and the Lamb of God etc.

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