The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!

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3/4/2016 10:32:26 AM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 63, joined Feb. 2008	Before I became a Catholic, I would read the Bible and not understand it. Actually, I really didn't believe in it---I believed in Jesus, but why the Bible? Who said the Bible was inerrant? How do we know it is inerrant? Maybe, I thought at the time, the Bible is just another history book, in large part true, probably, but possibly containing some human error. But then I became a Catholic and learned some things about the Bible. I learned that it was the Catholic Church, at the Synod of Hippo, that put the Bible together in the first place, and that the authority of the Church guaranteed its inerrancy, the Church having the authority to loose and bind (Matthew 16:19). I learned that the Bible forbids the very private interpretation that the Methodist Church taught with such gusto (2 Peter 1:20). I learned that until 1450, when the printing press was invented, very, very few Christians owned Bibles, as they had to be hand copied, and that most people, until around the 1500s or so, could not read anyway. I learned that Jesus founded a Church, not a Bible, that the Church is the mother of the Bible, not the other way around, preceding the Bible by about four centuries. I learned that 1 Timothy 3:16 says that the Church, not the Bible, is the pillar and ground of truth. I learned all about how the Church interpreted this and that passage, and that those interpretations stay the same century after century. In the Methodist Church they taught, oh, just read the Bible, and the Holy Spirit will tell you what it means. But if ten Methodists read the Bible, they would come up with ten different interpretations! In the Catholic Church I learned that St. Augustine said, "How can you tell if someone is filled with the Holy Spirit? By how much they love the Catholic Church." Why do only Catholics go to Heaven? Because they are more worthy? Hardly. I certainly am not worthy. Catholics go to Heaven because they have the grace, grace that comes from being a loyal member of the Church. Not every Catholic goes to Heaven---only the true believers who do good works and avoid mortal sin. Is this unfair to non-Cathokics? No, because the Holy Spirit is constantly non-Cathokics to convert. The door to the Catholic Church is always open to the non-Catholic---after all they let a sinner like me in. (As I said earlier, sometimes God makes an exception to the Catholics only rule, if the person through no fault of his own is ignorant of the Catholic faith.) What is the Church? The Church is the calling of God's faithful, so of course there can only be one true Church. God's faithful will hear the call.
3/4/2016 10:00:54 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
tnteacher101 Morristown, TN 66, joined Aug. 2010	Quote from ludlowlowell: Before I became a Catholic, I would read the Bible and not understand it. Actually, I really didn't believe in it---I believed in Jesus, but why the Bible? Who said the Bible was inerrant? How do we know it is inerrant? Maybe, I thought at the time, the Bible is just another history book, in large part true, probably, but possibly containing some human error. But then I became a Catholic and learned some things about the Bible. I learned that it was the Catholic Church, at the Synod of Hippo, that put the Bible together in the first place, and that the authority of the Church guaranteed its inerrancy, the Church having the authority to loose and bind (Matthew 16:19). I learned that the Bible forbids the very private interpretation that the Methodist Church taught with such gusto (2 Peter 1:20). I learned that until 1450, when the printing press was invented, very, very few Christians owned Bibles, as they had to be hand copied, and that most people, until around the 1500s or so, could not read anyway. I learned that Jesus founded a Church, not a Bible, that the Church is the mother of the Bible, not the other way around, preceding the Bible by about four centuries. I learned that 1 Timothy 3:16 says that the Church, not the Bible, is the pillar and ground of truth. I learned all about how the Church interpreted this and that passage, and that those interpretations stay the same century after century. In the Methodist Church they taught, oh, just read the Bible, and the Holy Spirit will tell you what it means. But if ten Methodists read the Bible, they would come up with ten different interpretations! In the Catholic Church I learned that St. Augustine said, "How can you tell if someone is filled with the Holy Spirit? By how much they love the Catholic Church." Why do only Catholics go to Heaven? Because they are more worthy? Hardly. I certainly am not worthy. Catholics go to Heaven because they have the grace, grace that comes from being a loyal member of the Church. Not every Catholic goes to Heaven---only the true believers who do good works and avoid mortal sin. Is this unfair to non-Cathokics? No, because the Holy Spirit is constantly non-Cathokics to convert. The door to the Catholic Church is always open to the non-Catholic---after all they let a sinner like me in. (As I said earlier, sometimes God makes an exception to the Catholics only rule, if the person through no fault of his own is ignorant of the Catholic faith.) What is the Church? The Church is the calling of God's faithful, so of course there can only be one true Church. God's faithful will hear the call. Low: You must realize that the believers/followers of Yahweh are Yahweh's Church. The Bible says we are the Temple of Yahweh not a stone or wood building. If you read the Bible carefully you will find that Yeshua did not start one church. It was Paul that went around starting churches and those churches, when they sharpened up, soon turned against Paul . There are over 30,000 different types of churches on this Earth and what most of those churches disagree on are the strange teachings of Paul. If we didn't have Paul's letters in the New Testament then it is my guess that there would not be too many different churches because Moses, the Prophets, Yeshua and the true 12 Apostles all agreed with each other and basically taught the same Gospel. So, Paul was the fly in the ointment, so to speak. Paul was the villain/tare/seducer in the Bible. The devil beguiled/seduced Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden and Paul is the one that has beguiled/seduced millions upon millions of people with his false fables and stories in the New Testament. All you have to do to get the truth of the Bible is to ignore Paul's writings when his teachings disagree with those Blessed Patriarchs of the Bible. By doing that you will take the poison out of the New Testament and get to the truth of the Gospel. It is not that difficult to do. Steve
3/6/2016 6:45:28 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 63, joined Feb. 2008	Where is there any historical evidence that the churches turned against Paul? Was this in the writings of the Church Fathers, and I missed it?
3/6/2016 7:41:03 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
tnteacher101 Morristown, TN 66, joined Aug. 2010	Quote from ludlowlowell: Where is there any historical evidence that the churches turned against Paul? Was this in the writings of the Church Fathers, and I missed it? 2 Timothy 1:15 King James 2000 Bible This you know, that all they who are in Asia are turned away from me; of whom are Phygelus and Hermogenes. Low: I am beginning to think you are not going to be able to understand the issues Paul had. Were you able to read The Nazarene Code? Steve
3/7/2016 11:16:04 AM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 63, joined Feb. 2008	What you call the Nazarene Code, what most people call the Levitical Law or Mosaic Law, only applied to the Jews, and doesn't even apply to them any more. You say some of them are forever laws, but the Catholic Church teaches that only the ten commandments are forever laws. The ten commandments are tough enough and few are those who keep them all, especially the ones concerning chastity. Why add to the burden?
3/7/2016 3:43:02 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
tnteacher101 Morristown, TN 66, joined Aug. 2010	Quote from ludlowlowell: What you call the Nazarene Code, what most people call the Levitical Law or Mosaic Law, only applied to the Jews, and doesn't even apply to them any more. You say some of them are forever laws, but the Catholic Church teaches that only the ten commandments are forever laws. The ten commandments are tough enough and few are those who keep them all, especially the ones concerning chastity. Why add to the burden?[/quote Low: Yahweh's Laws are not a burden. You say that few are the people that keep Yahweh's Laws/Torah and Commandments and the Bible agrees with you that it is going to be a narrow Path/way and not that many will make it to Yahweh's Rest/Paradise/Heaven. I am well aware that your Catholic Church and most Protestant Churches teach that Yahweh's Laws/Torah and Commandments have been done away with but they are following the murderer, tare and false apostle Paul so Paul is their God. No where in the Bible does Moses, the Prophets, Yeshua or the true 12 Apostles teach that Yahweh's Laws/Torah and Commands have been done away with. Yeshua and the true 12 Apostle taught that those Laws/Torah and Commands are in full force and will be until Heaven and Earth pass. We have been commanded to follow the example of Yeshua and if we follow His example we must follow Yahweh's Laws/Torah and Commandments. If you do not follow Yahweh's Blessed Laws/Torah and Commandments then hades will be your home. You have chosen to follow the broad path that leads to hades. At least you have been warned. Steve
3/14/2016 4:45:40 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
prophetic774 Winter Haven, FL 65, joined Feb. 2011	IS THE FIRST 1,000 YEAR RESURRECTION IN REVELATION 20:4-6 FOR MARTYRS LIKE JESUS AND THE 24 ELDERS ON THRONES WITH AUTHORITY TO JUDGE ONLY?? According to Revelation 20:4-6 there will be TWO Resurrections. The 1st continuous 1,000 year Heavenly Resurrection is for the 24 Elders on thrones and MARTYRS LIKE JESUS ONLY* and will end at the 2nd coming of Jesus when the 2nd Resurrection will take place for the saints of all ages who are NOT MARTYRS!! In Daniel 12:2 just after the Great Tribulation we read, "Multitudes who SLEEP in the dust of the earth will AWAKE, some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt. I Thess 5:10: He {Jesus} died for us so that, whether we are AWAKE {Martyrs} or asleep, we may live together with Him. The martyrs who are AWAKE with Jesus will also receive their new heavenly bodies at the 2nd coming of Jesus as per I Corinthians 15:51,52: Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all SLEEP but we will all be changed--in a flash, in a twinkling of an eye, at the Last {7TH} Trumpet!! There are only TWO RESURRECTIONS for all saints mentioned in Rev 20:4-6: The FIRST RESURRECTION is for MARTYRS AND THE 24 ELDERS ONLY and INCLUDES the Tribulation Martyrs. And therefore the SECOND RESURRECTION must come on the Last Day of the Great Tribulation and must include ALL SAINTS {Both OT & NT} who are not martyrs or the 24 Elders on thrones. The Heavenly rewards for the faithful and courageous MARTYRS is one of the most important central themes in the book of Revelation. For they will reign with Jesus in Heaven during the 1,000 years before His 2nd Coming; and according to Revelation 7:14-17: They are before the Throne of God and God will spread His tent over them. They will receive White Robes washed in the blood of the Lamb. Never again will they hunger or thirst and God Himself will wipe every tear from their eyes. Jesus will be their Shepherd and will lead them to springs of Living Water. FOR EXAMPLE: Let us suppose that the SECOND RESURRECTION takes place on September 17th; 2019 then the continuous 1,000 year FIRST RESURRECTION for MARTYRS AND 24 ELDERS ONLY would take place from September 17th, AD 1019 to September 17th, 2019. The 24 Elders and all of the OT & NT saints martyred before September 17th, 1019 were awakened to reign with Jesus in Heaven and every Martyr martyred after September 17th, 1019 were and will be immediately awakened to reign with Jesus in the continuous 1,000 year FIRST RESURRECTION to be completed on September 17th, 2019 at the SECOND RESURRECTION when "The rest of the dead come to life when the thousand years are ENDED." {Rev 20:5a} Rev 20:4b “I saw the SOULS of those who had been martyred because of their testimony for Jesus... they came to life and reigned with Christ for 1,000 years. The Martyrs SOULS will only get their New Heavenly bodies when the 1,000 years are ENDED at the 2nd Coming of Jesus. This seems to contradict John 6:40: Jesus says, “EVERYONE who looks to the Son and believes in Him shall have eternal life and I will raise him up at the LAST DAY.” HOWEVER, the LAST DAY RESURRECTION could last 1,000 years for in 2 Pet 3:8 we read: “With the Lord a DAY is like 1,000 years, and 1,000 years are like a DAY!! We see the martyrs talking in heaven at the beginning of the Great Tribulation in Revelation 6:9-11 and then we see a great multitude of martyrs who have come out of the Great Tribulation from every nation and language awake in heaven just before the first 7 trumpet plagues in Revelation 7:9-17. And then just before the last 7 bowl plagues we see martyrs in heaven singing the song of the Lamb in Revelation 15:2-4: And then we see 144,000 Jewish martyrs in heaven with Jesus BEFORE Rome or Babylon is destroyed in Rev 14:8 in Revlation 14:1-5: Revelation 6:9-11: When He {Jesus} opened the 5th seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain because of the word of God and the testimony they had maintained. They called out in a loud voice, How long, Sovereign Lord, holy and true, until you judge the inhabitants of the earth and avenge our blood? Then each of them were given a WHITE ROBE, and they were told to wait a little longer, until the number of their fellow servants and brothers who were to be killed {Tribulation martyrs} as they had been was completed. Revelation 7:9,10,13-15,17: After this I looked and there before me was a great multitude that no one could count, from EVERY nation, tribe, people and language standing before the throne and in front of the Lamb {Jesus} They were wearing WHITE ROBES and were holding..And they cried out in a loud voice, "Salvation belongs to our God, who sits on the throne , and to the Lamb...Then one of the {24} elders asked me, "Those in WHITE ROBES--who are they, and where did they come from?" And he said, "They are they who have come out of the GREAT TRIBULATION*, they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. Therefore, They are before the throne of God and serve Him day and night in His temple...The Lamb in the center of the throne will be their Shepherd!" Revelation 15:2,3: And I saw..those who had been victorious over the Beast {666} and his image and the number of his name {Tribulation Martyrs}. They held harps given them by God and sang the song of Moses the servant of God and the song of the Lamb: "Great and marvelous are your deeds, Lord God Almighty. Just and true are your ways, King of the ages..." Note: Mount Zion is another name for heaven as per Hebrews 12:22} Revelation 14:1-4: Then I looked, an there before me was the Lamb, standing on Mount Zion, and with Him 144,000 {See Rev 7:3-8}...And I heard a sound from Heaven...And they sang a new song before the throne. No one could learn the song except the 144,000 who had been REDEEMED from the earth...They follow the Lamb wherever He goes. The 24 Elders on thrones are mentioned many times in Revelation 4:4,10; 5:5,6,8,11,14; 7:11,13; 11:16-18; 14:3 and 19:4 The 24 Elders on thrones are mentioned many times speaking from heaven during the Great Tribulation and are the only saints mentioned in heaven during the Great Tribulation besides the MARTYRS!! It is completely obvious that the continuous 1,000 year reign mentioned in Revelation 20:4-6 is for 24 ELDERS on Thrones and MARTYRS ONLY according to God's Word in Revelation 20:4,5: "I saw Thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to JUDGE and I saw the SOULS of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony for Jesus {NT Martyrs}and because of the word of God {OT Martyrs}. They had not worshiped the beast and had not received his mark on their foreheads or their hands {Tribulation Martyrs}. They came to life and rigned with Christ a thousand years. The rest of the dead {Saints who were not martyrs or the 24 elders}did not come to life until the thousand years were ended. {At the 2nd coming of Jesus}
3/15/2016 5:02:21 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 63, joined Feb. 2008	For people who are advanced in the spiritual life, the ten commandments are not a burden. For people not so far advanced, the commandments about purity can be tough. The Levitical laws were an extreme burden. Thank God that Jesus repealed them.
3/16/2016 7:42:48 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
tnteacher101 Morristown, TN 66, joined Aug. 2010	Quote from ludlowlowell: For people who are advanced in the spiritual life, the ten commandments are not a burden. For people not so far advanced, the commandments about purity can be tough. The Levitical laws were an extreme burden. Thank God that Jesus repealed them. Low: We are to simply follow the example of Yeshua while He was in the Flesh Body on this Earth. I posted this in my other thread but you ignored it. Would you care to answer the questions I asked you: Low: It seems to me that you are not able to understand simple truths. I am beginning to think that the Catholic Church more than likely has you brain washed. It is obvious to me that your god is the Catholic Church and that you have no interest in Yahweh and no interest in following the example set by Yeshua. A few questions for you: Did Yeshua and the true 12 Apostles rest/worship on the true Sabbath Day which is Saturday? Did Yeshua and the true 12 Apostles honor/observe Yahweh's Holy Days? Did Yeshua and the true 12 Apostles avoid eating Yahweh's forbidden unclean animals? Did Yeshua and the true 12 Apostles sacrifice any animals? Did Yeshua and the true 12 Apostles stone anyone to death? If you will answer the above questions I think you will be able to understand what Laws are still binding today and which were not observed by Yeshua and are not to be observed today. We are to follow the example of Yeshua and the true 12 Apostles. If you are not willing to follow the example set by Yeshua's and the 12 Apostles then the truth is not in you and you have been deceived by the devil. The Bible plainly teaches that people that follow the devil will spend eternity in hades/hell. Steve
3/16/2016 9:16:43 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 63, joined Feb. 2008	I'll go in reverse order. Jesus and the original twelve apostles did not stone anyone or sacrifice animals (we agree on that). Jesus said we could eat anything, and the angel told Peter people could eat pork. God's holy days for the pre-Christian people are different from the Holy days of the Catholic Church, and the Church's Holy days differ from country to country---because the U. S. currently they are the Solemnity of Mary (Jan. 1), Assumption of Mary (Aug. 15), All saints Day (Nov. 1), Immaculate Conception (Dec. 8), and Christmas (Dec. 25). These dates are set by the authority of the Church and can be changed any time by the Church. Catholics are required under pain of mortal sin to attend Mass on these days, and all Sundays of the year, unless they have sufficient reason to miss. Sometime early on, before the twentieth chapter of Acts was written, Christians, including Pope Peter and the other ten surviving original apostles, observed Sunday as the day of rest and worship. Let's not attempt to pour new wine into old wineskins.
3/16/2016 11:13:48 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
tnteacher101 Morristown, TN 66, joined Aug. 2010	Quote from ludlowlowell: I'll go in reverse order. Jesus and the original twelve apostles did not stone anyone or sacrifice animals (we agree on that). Jesus said we could eat anything, and the angel told Peter people could eat pork. God's holy days for the pre-Christian people are different from the Holy days of the Catholic Church, and the Church's Holy days differ from country to country---because the U. S. currently they are the Solemnity of Mary (Jan. 1), Assumption of Mary (Aug. 15), All saints Day (Nov. 1), Immaculate Conception (Dec. 8), and Christmas (Dec. 25). These dates are set by the authority of the Church and can be changed any time by the Church. Catholics are required under pain of mortal sin to attend Mass on these days, and all Sundays of the year, unless they have sufficient reason to miss. Sometime early on, before the twentieth chapter of Acts was written, Christians, including Pope Peter and the other ten surviving original apostles, observed Sunday as the day of rest and worship. Let's not attempt to pour new wine into old wineskins. Low: It sounds like you and your Catholic Church makes up rules on your own and offer more that silly excuses for not following the example of Yeshua. That is what most people in the world do today. It seems that you have more excuses than you need to not follow the teachings of Yeshua. Some day you will find out if you are on the right track or merely headed to hades. I would not want to be in your shoes when the White Throne Judgment rolls around. You are wise in your own eyes/mind and your church is too. I have heard that there will be lots of weeping and gnashing of teeth. Low: I have never seen the verses in the Bible that says that the true 12 Apostles rested/worshiped on Sunday. Would you care to post those verses. The Bible I read does not say that they rested/worshiped on the first day of the week. It appears that you have put all your trust in the Catholic Church and next to no trust in the Blessed teachings of Moses, the Prophets, Yeshua or the true 12 Apostles. I doubt very much if the Catholic Church has the authority to get you to Paradise/Heaven when your church teaches a different gospel than Yahweh. Steve
3/16/2016 11:30:00 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 63, joined Feb. 2008	I certainly don't make up the rules. The Church does make rules, with the authority Jesus gave the Church at Matthew 16:19.
3/18/2016 7:08:35 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
tnteacher101 Morristown, TN 66, joined Aug. 2010	Quote from ludlowlowell: I certainly don't make up the rules. The Church does make rules, with the authority Jesus gave the Church at Matthew 16:19. Low: I think you are probably ashamed to post any verses that you or your church may falsely think gives any false evidence that the true Sabbath Day is the first day of the week because you know that you can't show any compelling evidence of the true Sabbath being changed to the first day of the week. If I were you I certainly not follow a church that teaches a different gospel than what Yeshua taught. We are simply to follow the example Yeshua set while He was living on this Earth and neither you nor your heathen church are doing that. Your church is following the devil's way and not Yahweh's Way. There is a huge difference. One way leads to hades and one Way leads to Paradise/Heaven. Steve
3/18/2016 7:16:20 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 63, joined Feb. 2008	With the authority the pope got at Matthew 16:19, the pope can change the day of rest and worship to Monday or Thursday or Tuesday, so long as there is one day per week set aside for rest and worship.
3/18/2016 7:50:10 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
tnteacher101 Morristown, TN 66, joined Aug. 2010	Quote from ludlowlowell: With the authority the pope got at Matthew 16:19, the pope can change the day of rest and worship to Monday or Thursday or Tuesday, so long as there is one day per week set aside for rest and worship. Low: If you truly believe that the Pope can change Yahweh's True Seventh Day Sabbath to any day of the week then you will more than likely believe most anything. You are gullible and a gullible person is their own worst enemy. I would be more than ashamed to admit what you just admitted. But, I don't have to worry about ever having to admit anything close to what you just admitted because I don't fall for such nonsense. Steve
3/18/2016 9:09:09 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 63, joined Feb. 2008	I will believe anything Holy Mother Church teaches.
3/18/2016 9:19:54 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
tnteacher101 Morristown, TN 66, joined Aug. 2010	Quote from ludlowlowell: I will believe anything Holy Mother Church teaches. Low: Well you just told everyone that the Catholic Church is your god. You just committed to take the Catholic Church's word over the word of Yahweh. No one should stoop as low as you did to make such a blind statement as the statement that you just made. I think that you have been completely brainwashed to make such a statement. Steve
3/18/2016 9:23:27 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 63, joined Feb. 2008	The Church speaks for God.
3/18/2016 9:34:50 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
tnteacher101 Morristown, TN 66, joined Aug. 2010	Quote from ludlowlowell: The Church speaks for God. Yahweh speaks for Yahweh. Your church has no such authority. You are attempting to put your church in the very place of Yahweh and that will not work. Your church does not teach the same gospel as the Blessed Patriarchs of the Bible. Your Catholic Church teaches the same heathen and lawless false gospel of Paul. Steve
3/19/2016 2:07:26 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 63, joined Feb. 2008	You're trying to pour new wine into old wineskins, Steve. The Levitical law, which applied to none except the Jews anyway, was repealed by Christ. This is the teaching of the Catholic Church. This is the teaching of the vast majority of the Protestant churches.
3/19/2016 4:25:56 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
tnteacher101 Morristown, TN 66, joined Aug. 2010	Quote from ludlowlowell: You're trying to pour new wine into old wineskins, Steve. The Levitical law, which applied to none except the Jews anyway, was repealed by Christ. This is the teaching of the Catholic Church. This is the teaching of the vast majority of the Protestant churches. Low: The Bible plainly says that there will be few that make it to Paradise/Heaven. Do you think for one minute that I attempt to follow the majority of people and their false teachings? I don't agree with the teachings of the Catholic Church and most of what the Protestant Churches teach is wrong. We must follow Yahweh's Laws/Torah and Commandments if we plan to make it to Paradise/Heaven. That is exactly what Moses, the Prophets, Yeshua and the true 12 Apostles taught. Most people that call themselves Christians today are merely Paulinians. The only place the lawless Paul can get you a ticket to is hades. Steve
3/19/2016 7:06:23 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 63, joined Feb. 2008	Sounds like new wine for old wineskins to me.
3/19/2016 7:39:17 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
tnteacher101 Morristown, TN 66, joined Aug. 2010	Quote from ludlowlowell: Sounds like new wine for old wineskins to me. Low: If you are not careful your misunderstanding and taking out of context the new wine in old wine skins saying could very well take you to the more than warm place someday. It is just common sense that the teachings of Moses, the Prophets, Yeshua and the true 12 Apostles were correct and that the renegade and false teacher Paul was out in left field teaching the opposite of what those Blessed Patriarchs of the Bible had taught all along. Paul was the very one that attempted to put his faith and grace only/new wine into the old wine skins/teachings of Yahweh. You simply need to sharpen up while there still may be time. Time is of the essence. Steve
3/20/2016 1:26:56 AM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 63, joined Feb. 2008	Steve, what does Jeremiah 31:31-33 mean to you?
3/20/2016 4:29:35 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
tnteacher101 Morristown, TN 66, joined Aug. 2010	Quote from ludlowlowell: Steve, what does Jeremiah 31:31-33 mean to you? Jeremiah 31:31-33New International Version (NIV) 31 “The days are coming,” declares the Lord, “when I will make a new covenant with the people of Israel and with the people of Judah. 32 It will not be like the covenant I made with their ancestors when I took them by the hand to lead them out of Egypt, because they broke my covenant, though I was a husband to[a] them,” declares the Lord. 33 “This is the covenant I will make with the people of Israel after that time,” declares the Lord. “I will put my law in their minds and write it on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people. Low: The above verses says that there will be somewhat of a New Covenant with the followers of Yahweh's Way. It is my view that the New Covenant was brought about by Yeshua and Yeshua set the example for all of us to follow. Like I have said previously Yeshua did not offer sacrifices and did not stone people like His People/Followers did in the Old Testament. It is more than obvious that Yeshua obeyed and honored Yahweh's Holy Days, Yeshua did not eat the unclean animals and Yeshua kept Yahweh's True Sabbath Day which was Saturday. Yeshua never, ever, said He came to do away with Yahweh's Laws/Torah and Commandments. However, is appears that Yeshua, because of the example He set for us, did fulfill/abandon the Temple sacrifices and the stoning of people that did not follow Yahweh's Laws. Yahweh said He would be our God and we will be His Special People if we will obey and follow His Laws/Torah and Commands. Yahweh make it more than clear that if we follow Yahweh's Laws/Torah and Commandments that He will be our God. We need to keep in mind that there is only one God and that is Yahweh. All other man made gods are false gods, they are useless and we are not to honor or follow those false gods. Yahweh plainly said that He put His Blessed Laws in our minds and wrote wrote those Laws on our heart. In other words we have absolutely no excuse at all to pretend that we do not know or understand Yahweh's Laws/Torah and Commands. Steve
3/20/2016 7:44:42 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 63, joined Feb. 2008	If Yeshua never came to do away with any of Yahweh's laws, why aren't we still sacrificing animals, and why aren't we stoning people? And if we say, oh, Yeshua did away with these two laws, why can't Yeshua do away with the entire Levitical law?
3/20/2016 9:02:49 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
tnteacher101 Morristown, TN 66, joined Aug. 2010	Quote from ludlowlowell: If Yeshua never came to do away with any of Yahweh's laws, why aren't we still sacrificing animals, and why aren't we stoning people? And if we say, oh, Yeshua did away with these two laws, why can't Yeshua do away with the entire Levitical law? Low: Like I said before Yeshua did not stone people and he did not sacrifice any animals. That should lead us to believe that Yeshua was the perfect sacrifice and animal sacrifices were no longer necessary. However, I am at a loss to explain why people were not to be stoned to death unless it was because of what I said before and that was because Yahweh was no longer the King of the 12 Tribes so He allowed the physical king to determine what to do with law breakers much like we do things in the judicial system these days. I would guess that the reason Yahweh did not do away with all the Laws/Torah and Commandments was because He simply chose not to. We don't have the wisdom or authority to question why Yahweh's does or does not do something. Apparently Yahweh was content to allow us to prove our love for Him and for mankind by following His Blessed Laws/Torah and Commandments. It is much like the school system in that teachers could do away with all tests for children but how could it be determined which children would pass to the next level and which children would be retained. I guess there must be a standard that we must live up to in order to be passed on to Paradise/Heaven or to be retained/fail and be cast into hades. It is my guess that the standards/tests that Yahweh uses are His Laws/Torah and Commandments. Steve
3/20/2016 9:54:57 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 63, joined Feb. 2008	Isn't obeying the ten commandments law enough? Isn't that tough enough? [Edited 3/20/2016 9:55:21 PM ]
3/20/2016 10:15:05 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
tnteacher101 Morristown, TN 66, joined Aug. 2010	Quote from ludlowlowell: Isn't obeying the ten commandments law enough? Isn't that tough enough? Low: According to the teachings of Moses, the Prophets, Yeshua and the true 12 Apostles we must obey Yahweh's Laws/Torah and Commandments. If you will read the first five chapters of the Bible I think you will find that we obey most of those laws without thinking that much about them. Keep in mind that some of those laws were for men only, some for women only, and some for the Tribe of Levi only. We are supposed to observe Yahweh's Holy Days, rest on the true Seventh Day Sabbath and we are not to eat the unclean foods as given in Leviticus Chapter 11 and Deuteronomy Chapter 14. Steve
3/20/2016 10:43:20 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 63, joined Feb. 2008	You're on the right track here---the Levitical law was for the Jews only.
3/21/2016 9:05:38 AM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
tnteacher101 Morristown, TN 66, joined Aug. 2010	Quote from ludlowlowell: You're on the right track here---the Levitical law was for the Jews only. Low: Yahweh's Laws/Torah and Commandments were for Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and the descendants of Jacob and for anyone else that would like to spend eternity in Paradise/Heaven. I am sure Yahweh knew very well that most gentiles would not be interested in following His Laws and Commands so that may be the reason Yeshua said He came only for the 12 Tribes of Jacob and their descendants. You say you are a gentile and that may be the very reason that you are blind as a bat when it comes to understanding Yahweh's Word. If you are not interested in attaining Paradise one day then it appears that you are right on track for that more than warm place. Matthew 15:24 King James Bible But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel. Low: It very well may be that you need to put a little more effort into understanding the Bible. The Bible says to knock on the door and it will be opened to you but it did not say how hard you must knock. Maybe you have not been knocking hard enough. Luke 11:9 King James Bible And I say unto you, Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you. Steve
3/22/2016 5:47:59 AM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 63, joined Feb. 2008	At first Jesus preached to the lost sheep of Israel, but in the very last two years He commands the apostles to go to all lands and teach all nations. The old wine (Judaism) was for just one nation; the new wine (Christianity) was meant for all nations.
3/22/2016 9:43:23 AM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
tnteacher101 Morristown, TN 66, joined Aug. 2010	Quote from ludlowlowell: At first Jesus preached to the lost sheep of Israel, but in the very last two years He commands the apostles to go to all lands and teach all nations. The old wine (Judaism) was for just one nation; the new wine (Christianity) was meant for all nations. Low: As I have said before gentiles will be accepted if they follow Yahweh's Laws/Torah and Commandments but it appears that very few gentiles will love Yahweh enough to follow His Laws and Commands. It goes without saying that Yeshua knew this when He said He came for the 12 Tribes and their descendants. Pretenders that follow Paul's faith and grace only are in for a rude awakening when the Great White Throne Judgment rolls around. You are a little more than confused if you think Yeshua came up with the word Christian/Christianity. People today that call themselves Christians are simply followers of Paul instead of Yahweh/Yeshua. People in the Bible that followed Yahweh were called followers of The Way. Yeshua was a Nazarene and never called Himself a Christian. Steve
3/22/2016 2:17:32 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 63, joined Feb. 2008	How could the pre-Christian Gentiles be expected to keep the Levitical laws when the vast majority of them had never even heard of the Levitical laws?
3/22/2016 7:20:30 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
tnteacher101 Morristown, TN 66, joined Aug. 2010	Quote from ludlowlowell: How could the pre-Christian Gentiles be expected to keep the Levitical laws when the vast majority of them had never even heard of the Levitical laws? Low: I assume those gentiles were not responsible until they were taught Yahweh's Laws/Torah and Commandments. But, once they are taught the truth then they are just as responsible for following Yahweh's Laws/Torah and Commandments as anyone else. Most people today know very well Yahweh's Laws/Torah and Commandments and totally disregard them and those people have no pardon or excuse. Those Lawbreakers are on the road to hades. Steve
3/22/2016 8:33:00 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 63, joined Feb. 2008	The Levitical laws were a set of disciplinary laws intended for the Jews only, to prepare them for the coming of their Messiah. Once He came these laws became unnecessary.
3/22/2016 8:40:40 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
tnteacher101 Morristown, TN 66, joined Aug. 2010	Quote from ludlowlowell: The Levitical laws were a set of disciplinary laws intended for the Jews only, to prepare them for the coming of their Messiah. Once He came these laws became unnecessary. Low: Most Baptists think that too but they are following the teaching of Paul and ignoring the teachings of Moses, the Prophets, Yeshua and the true 12 Apostles. You may want to read the Bible and then decide for yourself what is right. I would not trust a money hungry church to decide for me. Your future happiness or unhappiness may very well depend on the decision you make. It is not that difficult to follow Yahweh's Laws/Torah and Commandments and that way you are covering all the bases, so to speak. Steve
3/23/2016 5:54:57 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 63, joined Feb. 2008	I don't see the Catholic Church as money-hungry. Yes, they take up a collection every Sunday, but bills have to be paid.
3/23/2016 8:03:57 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
tnteacher101 Morristown, TN 66, joined Aug. 2010	Quote from ludlowlowell: I don't see the Catholic Church as money-hungry. Yes, they take up a collection every Sunday, but bills have to be paid. Low: The Catholic Church is like most other churches in that if the people stop giving the church leaders would have to go out and get a real job. Most churches are in the church business for the money. The Catholic Church and most other churches have a strangle hold on it's members. Most churches teach that people will not go to Paradise unless they belong to this or that church like they have a monopoly on Paradise/Heaven. Steve
3/24/2016 12:48:12 AM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 63, joined Feb. 2008	I think the priests in our diocese are paid about $800 per week. That's better than average pay, true, but I think Protestant ministers on average make more, and that much money is hardly riches. And if you will read the New Testament you will see that Jesus founded only one Church.
3/24/2016 9:54:08 AM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
tnteacher101 Morristown, TN 66, joined Aug. 2010	Quote from ludlowlowell: I think the priests in our diocese are paid about $800 per week. That's better than average pay, true, but I think Protestant ministers on average make more, and that much money is hardly riches. And if you will read the New Testament you will see that Jesus founded only one Church. Low: When you consider that those Priests don't have to pay taxes on that $800.00 per week since a church is tax free then that is a lot of money to get paid. The Church in reality consists of all believers that follow Yahweh's Laws/Torah and Commandments. There is nothing sacred about an organization such as a church. Believers and doers of Yahweh's Laws/Torah and Commandments are the only ones that will make it to Paradise/Heaven. All the rest of those people that worship the murderer, tare and false apostle Paul that don't follow Yahweh Laws and Commands are headed to hades. Steve
3/24/2016 10:24:25 AM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
tnteacher101 Morristown, TN 66, joined Aug. 2010	Article Continued: Ripping the flesh Christian clergy delighted in the tearing and ripping of the flesh. The Catholic church learned a human being could live until the skin was peeled down to the waist when skinned alive. Often, the rippers were heated to red hot and used on women's breasts and in the genitalia of both sexes. Breast Rippers The Iron Torture Chair was studded with spikes. The victim was strapped in nude and a fire was lit beneath the chair. Heavy objects were also be used. They were placed upon the victim to increase the pain of the spikes. Blows with mallets were also inflicted. Often, other torturous devices were applied with the chair such as the flesh ripping pincers, shown above and leg crushing vices. Skull Crusher This one speaks for itself. Christian clergy preferred this device because it did not leave visible marks, unless the skull was completely crushed, which happened. The Rack The Rack, aka the Ladder was another device that was used extensively. The procedure was to place the nude or near nude victim horizontally on the ladder or rack. Ropes were used to bind the arms and legs like a tourniquet. The knot could be steadily twisted to draw tight the ropes and stretch the victim to where the muscles and ligaments tore and bones broke. Often, heavy objects were placed upon the victim to increase the pain. This was considered by the church to be "one of the milder forms of torture." The Wheel The nude victim, was stretched out, lying face downward on the ground or on the execution dock, with his or her arms and legs spread, and tied to stakes or iron rings. Wooden crosspieces were placed under the wrists, elbows, ankles, knees and hips. The inquisitor then smashed limb after limb and joint after joint, including the shoulders and hips, with the iron-tyred edge of the wheel, taking care not to bring about the death of the victim. There were splinters of smashed bones, blood spurted everywhere, and the victim's entire skeleton was crushed and smashed. Thereafter the shattered limbs were “braided” into the spokes of the large wheel. The wheel has to be one of the most gruesome of all torture devices. The idea is, that the victims' limbs are shattered and entwined around the spokes of the wheel, attaching them to it. The Thumbscrew The thumbscrew was a device where the victim's thumbs were placed and systematically crushed. Similar devices were used on the toes. Thumbscrews were often applied at the same time as the strappado and other torture devices to inflict more pain. The Water Torture The victim was stripped and bound to a bench or table and a funnel was inserted and pressed down into his throat. Water was poured into the funnel in jugs full with his/her nose being pinched, forcing him/her to swallow. After this was repeated enough times to where the victim's stomach was almost to burst, the bench or table was then tilted, with the victim's head pointing to the floor. The water in the stomach put painful pressure on the victim's lungs and heart. There was not only the incredible pain with this, but also, the feeling of suffocation. Inquisitors would also beat upon the stomach with mallets to the point of internal rupture. In another variation, the victim was forced to swallow large quantities of water together with lengths of knotted cord. The cords were then violently yanked from the victim's mouth resulting in disemboweling. The Iron Maiden also known as the "Virgin Mary" Covering the front side of this device was a statue of the Virgin Mary, inside were spikes, sharp knives or nails. Levers would move the arms of the statue, crushing the victim against the knives and nails. Other devices and methods: Forced feeding of overly salted foods that resulted in extreme thirst, then, the denial of water. Immersion in scalding water laced with Lime. Yanking back and forth by 2 or more inquisitors with ropes attached to a spiked iron collar. This tore the flesh on the victim's neck. Variations used screws that could be tightened. The prayer stool. A spike board on which the victim was forced to kneel. Stocks which were fitted with iron spikes Slowly roasting victims over fire. "Walking a Witch" entailed forcing a victim to walk back and forth for days on end until completely exhausted. A variation of this was having the victim sit cross legged upon a wooden stool, being deprived of movement or sleep. Some victims were as much as 80 years old. "Thrawing." Similar to the spiked iron collar, only a rope was tied tightly around the head and the victim was yanked back and forth. "Turkas." These were a variation of pincers used to pull out fingernails. Many were thrown in filthy dungeons with no light or human contact, in addition, often being chained or confined in the stocks. "Scoring above the Breath" the ancient belief that bleeding a witch above the mouth and nose would break a spell incited inquisitors to tear flesh, stick with needles and other instruments upon the victim's face. Galileo Galilei, the famous Italian astronomer and physicist was one of the most noted victims of the Inquisition. A letter in which he attempted to demonstrate the Copernican theory, that the Earth is not the center of the universe, was forwarded by some of his enemies to the inquisitors in Rome. He was tried in 1633 and found guilty of heresy. He was forced to recant [publicly withdraw his statement] and was sentenced to life imprisonment under house arrest. In 1979, Pope John Paul II declared that the Roman Catholic Church "may have been mistaken in condemning him," and he established a commission to study the case.13 In 1993, the Catholic Church "officially" pardoned Galileo. In other words, they forgave him for teaching that the planets revolve around the Sun, not the Earth. Loss of human life: Salzburg, Austria, 1677-1681 over 100 murdered Basque region of the Pyrenees; 1608, Lawyer Pierre de Lancre was sent to the region to "root out and destroy those who worshipped Pagan Gods." Over 600 tortured and murdered. Witch judge Henri Boguet c. 1550-1619 sent some 600 victims to their deaths in Burgundy, many of them young children who were systematically tortured and then burned alive. A pregnant woman was burned alive and from the trauma, she gave birth before she died. The baby was tossed back into the flames. Swedish town of Mora, 1669, more than 300 murdered. Among them, 15 children. Thirty-six children between the ages of 9 and 15 were made to run the gauntlet and were beaten with rods upon their hands once a week for an entire year. Twenty of the youngest children, all under the age of 9 were whipped on their hands at the church door for 3 Sundays in succession. Many more were severely beaten for witchcraft offenses. In Scotland, under the rule of Oliver Cromwell, a total of 120 in a single month were murdered in 1661. Estimates of the total dead have been as high as 17,000 between 1563 and 1603. Again the source of the above article: http://see_the_truth.webs.com/inquisition.html Steve
3/24/2016 11:39:55 AM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 63, joined Feb. 2008	Considering how the Protestant British treated the Catholic Irish for centuries, Protestants have no room to talk about any Inquisition.
3/24/2016 12:25:39 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
kb2222 Jacksonville, FL 75, joined Apr. 2011	Quote from ludlowlowell: Considering how the Protestant British treated the Catholic Irish for centuries, Protestants have no room to talk about any Inquisition. You are utterly despicable and deserve to go to the hell you believe in.
3/24/2016 2:13:01 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 63, joined Feb. 2008	Why, because I reminded the Protestants of their hypocrisy on this issue?
3/24/2016 2:37:53 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
kb2222 Jacksonville, FL 75, joined Apr. 2011	Quote from ludlowlowell: Why, because I reminded the Protestants of their hypocrisy on this issue? You know why and the reasons are numerous. That list of horrible torture method's is what the Catholic church did to those who would not bow down to its teachings not the protestants and the RCC still has the arrogant and despicable audacity to claim it has moral and spiritual infallibility. [Edited 3/24/2016 2:38:11 PM ]
3/24/2016 4:05:55 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
tnteacher101 Morristown, TN 66, joined Aug. 2010	Quote from ludlowlowell: Why, because I reminded the Protestants of their hypocrisy on this issue? Low: You should not try to pass the blame for that inhumane and devil like behavior that the Catholic Church participated in and condoned for hundreds and hundreds of years. The Protestants had absolutely nothing to do with that murdering and butchering group of Catholic people. I guess it was because of the mutilating and murdering of millions upon millions of people that the Protestant Churches got started in the first place. The good people of this world needed to distance themselves from that evil and shameful church. I am more than surprised that anyone would claim to be a Roman Catholic Member and be able to hold their head up above ground level in light of the atrocities that church was responsible for. If I were you I would immediately distance myself from any connection to the Catholic Church. I guess you got into the Catholic Church before you were aware of their past disgusting history. I am more than sure that Yahweh would not be involved with such a pitiful excuse of a church. Steve
3/24/2016 4:09:27 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 63, joined Feb. 2008	The Protestants did these horrible things to Catholics in England, Ireland, France, and Germany during the same period the Inquisition operated. Moreover, the Inquisition only had jurisdiction over fallen-away Catholics---persons born and raised Protestant were not subject to the Inquisition. Any Protestant who brings up the Inquisition is a hypocrite.
3/24/2016 4:19:22 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
tnteacher101 Morristown, TN 66, joined Aug. 2010	Quote from ludlowlowell: The Protestants did these horrible things to Catholics in England, Ireland, France, and Germany during the same period the Inquisition operated. Moreover, the Inquisition only had jurisdiction over fallen-away Catholics---persons born and raised Protestant were not subject to the Inquisition. Any Protestant who brings up the Inquisition is a hypocrite. Low: I very much hate to say this but it is more than obvious that you are the hypocrite for taking up for a false church that has acted the way the Catholic fake church have behaved for the past two thousand years. You are making a feeble attempt to blame what the Catholic fake church has done on the Protestant Church. Low, you should know we are a little too smart to fall for your ploy to blame the Protestant Church for what the Catholic Fake church has been doing the past two thousand years. Steve
3/24/2016 5:06:39 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 63, joined Feb. 2008	You're going by a double standard here, Tnt. Catholics are terrible for persecuting Protestants, but when Protestants persecute Catholics, oh, that's okay.
3/24/2016 6:58:55 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
tnteacher101 Morristown, TN 66, joined Aug. 2010	Quote from ludlowlowell: You're going by a double standard here, Tnt. Catholics are terrible for persecuting Protestants, but when Protestants persecute Catholics, oh, that's okay. Low: There is little to no evidence that the Protestants mistreated the Catholic Church. I am sure there have been some very minor issues but nothing compared to the millions and millions of murders and mutilations of innocent people that were done by the Catholic followers. For the Catholic Church to expect the brain washed Catholic followers to call the Popei "Holy Father" is ridiculous to say the very least. Steve
3/25/2016 7:46:03 AM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 63, joined Feb. 2008	Little or no evidence Protestants mistreated Catholics! You don't know much history, do you, Tnt? Have you ever heard of Saints Thomas More, Oliver Plunkett, or John Fisher? Are you aware that, during the time the Protestant Queen Elizabeth I was ruling England, the penalty for harboring a priest or attending Mass was death? Are you aware that for centuries the Protestant English tried to force the Catholic Irish to become Protestant? Get some books on the history of Ireland. Are you aware that the French Protestant Huguenots, in the year 1561, rounded up 4000 Catholic priests and murdered them? At least in the Inquisition the accused were given a trial. In the entire time the Inquisition operated, only 6000 were executed, all after Haven been given a trial, according to Wikipedia. Have you ever heard the hymn "Faith of our Fathers"? That song is all about the suffering that English Catholics went through, at the hands of the Protestant monarchs Henry VIII and Elizabeth I. The Lutherans of Germany also killed thousands of Catholics. There were also some Catholic priests killed by the Puritans in Massachusetts. Far more Catholics were killed by Protestants than the other way around.
3/25/2016 2:15:09 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
tnteacher101 Morristown, TN 66, joined Aug. 2010	Quote from ludlowlowell: Little or no evidence Protestants mistreated Catholics! You don't know much history, do you, Tnt? Have you ever heard of Saints Thomas More, Oliver Plunkett, or John Fisher? Are you aware that, during the time the Protestant Queen Elizabeth I was ruling England, the penalty for harboring a priest or attending Mass was death? Are you aware that for centuries the Protestant English tried to force the Catholic Irish to become Protestant? Get some books on the history of Ireland. Are you aware that the French Protestant Huguenots, in the year 1561, rounded up 4000 Catholic priests and murdered them? At least in the Inquisition the accused were given a trial. In the entire time the Inquisition operated, only 6000 were executed, all after Haven been given a trial, according to Wikipedia. Have you ever heard the hymn "Faith of our Fathers"? That song is all about the suffering that English Catholics went through, at the hands of the Protestant monarchs Henry VIII and Elizabeth I. The Lutherans of Germany also killed thousands of Catholics. There were also some Catholic priests killed by the Puritans in Massachusetts. Far more Catholics were killed by Protestants than the other way around. Low: It appears you are reading the history books of the Catholic Church that are mostly based on imaginary tales. Those idle priests have had plenty of time over the last two thousand years to write their own fake history stories and when the Catholic Church members read it they get the feeling that somehow someone back long ago may have been mistreated by a few times by Protestants. This supposed mistreatment was so insignificant that most history books don't even mention it. Steve
3/25/2016 2:23:42 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 63, joined Feb. 2008	I am reading history from secular souces. The devil has stirred up hatred in your heart against Jesus' beautiful mystical bride the Catholic Church, and you are all too willing to believe any scurillious story about her. Check both sides before you make up your mind.
3/25/2016 6:12:23 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
tnteacher101 Morristown, TN 66, joined Aug. 2010	Quote from ludlowlowell: I am reading history from secular souces. The devil has stirred up hatred in your heart against Jesus' beautiful mystical bride the Catholic Church, and you are all too willing to believe any scurillious story about her. Check both sides before you make up your mind. Low: Before you exposed me to lots of the beliefs and ideas of the Catholic Church's beliefs I didn't see any problems with the Catholic Church. But, since I have learned a lot about the Catholic Church on this site I see some major problems with what the Catholic Church teaches and how they keep their members on a very short leash. What I have found out is not freedom but the lack of freedom of it's members. I have determined that the Catholic Church is simply following the false and heathen gospel of Paul and for the most part ignores the teachings of Moses, the Prophets, Yeshua and the true 12 Apostles. I now understand that the Catholic Church Members are on the way to that more than warm place instead of Paradise/Heaven. Steve
3/25/2016 6:18:25 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
kb2222 Jacksonville, FL 75, joined Apr. 2011	The Catholic Church is a den of modern day self-righteous self-serving Pharisees claiming infallible spiritual authority and brainwashing/threatening its members into believing that "outside the Catholic church there is no salvation."
3/25/2016 7:19:33 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 63, joined Feb. 2008	KB, how many priests do you know? Zero, right? You don't know if they are self- righteous or not.
3/25/2016 7:30:28 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
kb2222 Jacksonville, FL 75, joined Apr. 2011	Quote from ludlowlowell: KB, how many priests do you know? Zero, right? You don't know if they are self- righteous or not. They all have subordinated their minds to their professed infallible Pope and his doctrines, haven't they? And they teach "outside the Catholic church there is no salvation" don't they?
3/25/2016 8:44:28 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 63, joined Feb. 2008	Since when is humility and obedience self-righteousness?

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