The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!

Yeshua replied, If anyone love Me he will obey My teachings. Which means if we love Yeshua we will obey Yahweh/Yeshua's teachings. If we obey Yahweh/Yeshua's teachings then we are on the right track to Yahweh's Rest. If we truly love Yahweh/Yeshua we will keep Yawheh/Yeshua's Laws and Commandments. If we do not love Yahweh/Yeshua's Teachings (Laws and Commandments) then we will not keep His Yahweh/Yeshua's Teachings (Laws and Commands).
Then Yeshua said "These words you hear are not my own; they belong to the Father who sent me. In other words Yahweh and Yeshua are in complete agreement. If you follow one you are following both.

Prop: You need to be very cautious when you add your own words to what is said in the Bible.

Steve

2/5/2016 10:58:14 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
prophetic774 Winter Haven, FL 65, joined Feb. 2011	John 3:3: Jesus declares, "I tell you the truth, no one can see the Kingdom of God unless his is BORN AGAIN!"John 1:12,13: He gave the right to become children of God--children born not of human descent, NOR OF A HUMAN DECISION, or a husband's will, but BORN OF GOD!! John 6:28,29: Then they asked Jesus, "What must we do to do the works God requires?" Jesus answered, "The WORK OF GOD is this: to believe in the One He has sent!" John 6:37,39,44,65: Jesus says, "All that the Father gives to Me WILL come to Me, and whoever comes to Me I will NEVER drive away...And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that I shall lose NONE of all He has given Me, but raise them up at the Last Day....No one can come to Me UNLESS the Father who sent Me draws him and I will raise him up at the Last Day!...No one can come to Me UNLESS the Father has enabled them!" John 17:1,2: Jesus prayed, "Father, the time has come. Glorify your Son, that your Son may glorify you. For you granted Him authority over all people that He might give eternal life to all those YOU HAVE GIVEN HIM!" John 17:9,24: Jesus prayed, "I pray for them, I am not praying for the world, but for THOSE YOU HAVE GIVEN ME!"...."Father, I want THOSE YOU HAVE GIVEN ME to be with Me where I am!!" AND SO SALVATION IS 100% FREE BUT HEAVENLY REWARDS ARE 100% EARNED!!: Ephesians 2:8,9: For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this not from yourselves, it is the GIFT of God—not by works. So that no one can boast. For we are GOD'S WORKMANSHIP, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do! Hebrews 11:1,6: Now faith is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see....And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to Him must believe that He exists and that He REWARDS those who earnestly seek Him!! Ephesians 6:8: Serve wholeheartedly , as if you were serving the Lord, not men, because you know that the Lord will REWARD everyone for what ever good he does!. Revelation 22:12 Jesus says, “Behold I am coming soon! My REWARD is with Me, and I will give to everyone according to what he has done!” Matthew 16:27: Jesus says, “The Son of Man is going to come in His Father's glory with His angels and THEN He will REWARD each person according to what he has done!” 2 Corinthians 5:9,10: We make it our goal to please Him... for we must all appear before the Judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive what is due him for the things done while in the body, whether good or bad. 1 Corinthians 3:13-15: His work will be shown for what it is, because the Day will bring it to light. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each man's work. If what he has built survives , he will receive his *REWARD. If it is burned up he will suffer loss; he himself will be saved, but only as one escaping through the flames. Meet singles at DateHookup.dating, we're 100% free! Join now!
2/6/2016 6:58:45 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
tnteacher101 Morristown, TN 66, joined Aug. 2010	Prop: To be born again actually means to be born from above. Did you read The Nazarene Code? I believe the very same thing in that we must keep Yahweh's Laws/Torah and Commandments. The Nazarene Code explains it very well. I hope you will be able to understand it. If you do then maybe you will stop worshiping Paul and start worshiping Yahweh. I don't think Paul will be able to get anyone to Yahweh's Rest. Steve
2/6/2016 7:05:11 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 63, joined Feb. 2008	When a person is baptized in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, that person is truly born again from above.
2/6/2016 7:11:01 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
tnteacher101 Morristown, TN 66, joined Aug. 2010	Quote from ludlowlowell: When a person is baptized in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, that person is truly born again from above. Low: Baptism is important and at that time I think the person receives the Holy Spirit into one's life but I don't think it is a rebirth. If you will read John Chapter Three you will see that some Bibles actually use the word "Born from Above". The Born Again terminology can be confusing. When our flesh bodies die and our spirit body enters Yahweh's Rest then one is Born Again as well. Some call it Born of the Spirit. Steve
2/6/2016 7:20:28 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 63, joined Feb. 2008	You're right. Baptism, born again, born from above, filled with the Holy Spirit---all the same thing.
2/6/2016 7:31:36 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
tnteacher101 Morristown, TN 66, joined Aug. 2010	Quote from ludlowlowell: You're right. Baptism, born again, born from above, filled with the Holy Spirit---all the same thing. Low: Yes it very well could be the same thing but it seems to confuse people more to use the Born Again terminology because some think they are sealed to go to Heaven. I don't think that is the case at all. Steve
2/6/2016 10:16:43 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 63, joined Feb. 2008	You're right about that one too, Tnt. Baptism is only the beginning. Baptism by itself does not save a soul.
2/6/2016 10:36:21 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 73, joined May. 2012	* Joh_3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and [born] of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. Joh_3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Joh_3:8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit. Water and physical rituals have nothing to to with being born of the spirit, born again.You are born of the spirit, born again, when you endeavor to do the Father's will, to love God and love your fellow man. Physical baptism with water is a meaningless ritual, particularly when it is inflicted on those too young to make an informed decision about such things. If religions had to wait to baptize people until they are consenting adults, their numbers would fall dramatically. It should be against the law to baptize or circumcise anyone who cannot give their express written consent.
2/6/2016 11:15:47 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 63, joined Feb. 2008	But Jesus said, let the little children come unto me.
2/7/2016 12:56:17 AM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 73, joined May. 2012	Quote from ludlowlowell: But Jesus said, let the little children come unto me. That is not an endorsement of infink baptism. Baptism must be accompanied with a freewill choice to do the Father's will, to love God and love your neighbor as you love yourself. These verses don't say anything about Jesus baptizing them. But I suppose a creative person could make it mean that. Then some children were brought to Him so that He might lay His hands on them and pray; and the disciples rebuked them. But Jesus said, "Let the children alone, and do not hinder them from coming to Me; for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these." And Jesus also said. "Call no man your father upon the earth: "for one is your Father, which is in heaven." (Matthew 23:9) All your priests teach disobedience to God. What a monstrous organization your abomination of a church is. [Edited 2/7/2016 12:58:26 AM ]
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tnteacher101 Morristown, TN 66, joined Aug. 2010	Furch: What were you thoughts about The Nazarene Code? www.thenazarenecode.com Steve
2/8/2016 5:23:31 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
prophetic774 Winter Haven, FL 65, joined Feb. 2011	Quote from louie6332: Prophetic, So, according to you, we have already been through the apocalypse, it ended in 70AD according to you or at least shortly after 96AD. And yet you contradict yourself by saying that Rev chapters 4-22 will take place “in the future just before the second coming of Jesus”. You can’t get your story straight. Is it for the future or not? Do you believe that the Antichrist has already arise, that Christ has already returned, and that he is already ruing in Jerusalem? Are you a SDA? Louie Actually Louis you are confusing me with someone else. I have never believed that Revelation chapters 4-22 took place in the past or before AD 70 like the Preterist. Actually Louie about 80% of the Roman Catholic prophetic theologians are Preterists who believe that all of the book of Revelation ended in AD 70 when the Jewish Temple was completely destroyed. Whereas, I believe that chapters 2 and 3 in Revelation write many things that happened in the past when Revelation was written in AD 96 but Revelation Chapters 4 through 22 will all take place in the future and will begin with the 42-month or 1260 day Great Tribulation just before the Second coming of Jesus on the Last Day and not in 200 years as you falsely claim. The SDA believes that that the 42 month or 1260 day Tribulation was really 1260 years which began in AD 538 and ended 1260 years later in AD 1798 when Napoleon put a Roman Catholic Pope in jail for a few years since they believe the Roman Catholic Church was the antichrist. NOTE: 666 is called the Beast 36 {6X6} times in Revelation. Revelation 13:5-8: The Beast was given authority to exercise his authority for 42 months....He was given power to make war against the saints and to conquer them. And he was given authority over EVERY tribe, people, language and nation. All inhabitants of the earth--all whose names have not been written in the Book of Life belonging to the Lamb {Jesus}. Revelation 1:19: Jesus said to John in Revelation 1:19: "Write therefore, what you have seen, what is now {Most of Rev chapters 2 & 3} and what will take place later!" {In Rev chapters 4 to 22} For 42 months until the Last Day at the 2nd coming of Jesus and the coming of the New Heavens and New Earth and the heavenly New Jerusalem on the same Last Day; not 200 years as Louie falsely claims. Louie believes that the Lord has given revelations to him AFTER the book of Revelation was written in AD 96 which absolutely contradicts Revelation 22:18,19. Louie has preached here about some of these ridiculous Revelations which contradicted prophecies in the book of Revelation; given to him; which were supposed to take place in September 2015. And when these Satanic prophecies didn't place in September we didn't hear from Louie for 4 months and now he has returned possibly to give us more of his ridiculous revelations which ADD and *TAKE WORDS AWAY from the book of Revelation which is an unpardonable sin. Revelation 22:16,18,19: "I Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony FOR THE CHURCHES!...I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book. If anyone ADDS {LIKE LOUIE} anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book {Including eternal torment in hell}. And if anyone TAKES WORDS AWAY {LIKE LOUIE} from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the Holy City {The New Jerusalem}, which are described in this book!!" The only inspired additions that give some details about the End times are only found in God's Word which were all written BEFORE** the book of Revelation. For example: Matthew 24,25; Luke 21; Mark 13; 2 Thessalonians 2:1-12; I Corinthians 15:35-58; I Thessalonians 4:13-18; 5:1-5.
2/8/2016 7:23:28 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 63, joined Feb. 2008	"Let tge little children come unto me" certainly is an endorsement of infant Baptism. What else could it mean?
2/8/2016 8:45:34 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 73, joined May. 2012	Quote from ludlowlowell: "Let tge little children come unto me" certainly is an endorsement of infant Baptism. What else could it mean? If you read it in context you can tell what it means. It has nothing to do with baptism. Nor did John or Jesus ever baptize any babies or children.
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ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 63, joined Feb. 2008	How do you know they didn't?
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tnteacher101 Morristown, TN 66, joined Aug. 2010	Quote from ludlowlowell: "Let tge little children come unto me" certainly is an endorsement of infant Baptism. What else could it mean? Low: You are either imagining things or you are repeating exactly what the Catholic Church tells you that the verse means. If the verse meant infant Baptism then I am sure the verse would have said infant Baptist. The verse simply means to teach the small children Yahweh's Word which can be done by reading the Bible to the children or by telling children what the Bible teaches. Steve
2/8/2016 9:24:53 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 63, joined Feb. 2008	Hearing or reading the Bible (a book much of which you reject) is not a spiritual relationship with Jesus. Baptism, which washes away original sin, causes the soul to be born again and born from above, causes the Holy Spirit and the state of grace to come to the soul, does. Baptized babies who die go straight to Heaven. Unbaptized babies who die go to Limbo. Now Limbo is a good place, a place of natural happiness, but it does not compare with Heaven and the beatific vision (the seeing of God face to face for all etrnity).
2/8/2016 10:34:20 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 73, joined May. 2012	Quote from ludlowlowell: Hearing or reading the Bible (a book much of which you reject) is not a spiritual relationship with Jesus. Baptism, which washes away original sin, causes the soul to be born again and born from above, causes the Holy Spirit and the state of grace to come to the soul, does. Baptized babies who die go straight to Heaven. Unbaptized babies who die go to Limbo. Now Limbo is a good place, a place of natural happiness, but it does not compare with Heaven and the beatific vision (the seeing of God face to face for all etrnity).
2/8/2016 10:37:50 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
tnteacher101 Morristown, TN 66, joined Aug. 2010	Quote from ludlowlowell: Hearing or reading the Bible (a book much of which you reject) is not a spiritual relationship with Jesus. Baptism, which washes away original sin, causes the soul to be born again and born from above, causes the Holy Spirit and the state of grace to come to the soul, does. Baptized babies who die go straight to Heaven. Unbaptized babies who die go to Limbo. Now Limbo is a good place, a place of natural happiness, but it does not compare with Heaven and the beatific vision (the seeing of God face to face for all etrnity). Low: There is not one place in the Bible where infants are said to be Baptised. There are many instances in the Bible where older people were Baptised. The Bible doesn't teach infant Baptism. Tell me which of the two you believe. 1. Do you believe that Baptism causes one to be "born again". 2. Or do you believe that when we are born from above means that we are "born again". I don't think it could possibly be both and from what you wrote above it causes me to think that you think it means both. Where does it say in the Bible that when children pass on that they are in limbo? Again, this sounds like another false Catholic Belief. Low: We are not born with any sins. I guess this is another false Catholic Belief. It appears that you trust the Catholic Church for every little thing you believe. It may be beneficial for you to start reading the Bible on your own. The Catholic Church teaches in such a way that they give their church the most authority and make the most money. They want their followers to be more than helpless without them. Being helpless is a very sad condition to be in. Steve
2/8/2016 11:32:58 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 63, joined Feb. 2008	Baptism, being born again, and being born from above are all one and the same. Protestants get all their doctrines from the Bible. Catholics believe in many doctrines not expressly contained in the Bible, doctrines that have been handed down from generation to generation in the Church. See 2 Thessalonians 2:15. Among these handed-down doctrines is the doctrine that babies should be baptized as soon as possible after birth.
2/9/2016 12:11:49 AM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 73, joined May. 2012	Quote from ludlowlowell: Baptism, being born again, and being born from above are all one and the same. Protestants get all their doctrines from the Bible. Catholics believe in many doctrines not expressly contained in the Bible, doctrines that have been handed down from generation to generation in the Church. See 2 Thessalonians 2:15. Among these handed-down doctrines is the doctrine that babies should be baptized as soon as possible after birth. The reason they do that is so that they can create as many nominal CINOs as possible and so that later on in life when those baby baptized Catholics want to leave the church can play a psychological warfear game on them and tell them that their soul is indelibly stained forever as a Catholic soul and that they can never escape Catholicism and exercise their God given free will to be free from that monstrous abomination of a church which doesn't even love God. Being born again means resolving to do the Father's will, love God and love your neighbor as you love yourself, and water baptism has nothing to do with that, especially in infinks. 2 Thessalonians 2:15 is not from Jesus. And in fact, it may not even be from Paul. The authenticity of this epistle is still in widespread dispute. As Ernest Best explains the problem, if we only possessed Second Thessalonians few scholars would doubt that Paul wrote it; but when Second Thessalonians is put alongside First Thessalonians then doubts appear. There is a great similarity between the two; this is not only one of words, small phrases and concepts but extends to the total structure of the two letters which is in addition different from what is taken to be the standard Pauline form. At the same time the second letter is alleged to be less intimate and personal in tone than the first, and in some of its teaching, particularly in relation to eschatology, to conflict with the first.[7] -Wikipedia
2/9/2016 12:55:18 AM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
tnteacher101 Morristown, TN 66, joined Aug. 2010	Quote from ludlowlowell: Baptism, being born again, and being born from above are all one and the same. Protestants get all their doctrines from the Bible. Catholics believe in many doctrines not expressly contained in the Bible, doctrines that have been handed down from generation to generation in the Church. See 2 Thessalonians 2:15. Among these handed-down doctrines is the doctrine that babies should be baptized as soon as possible after birth. Low: You need to show Bible Verses that says that Baptism, being born again and being born from above are all one and the same. You simply cannot do it because the Bible doesn't teach that. Low: You are attempting to use the false and heathen non-law-keeper Paul to prove that infants are to be Baptised but Paul was not an Apostle. Paul was planted by the devil to beguile and seduce weak minded people. If you will read the Bible carefully and cautiously I think you will be able to see/understand that Paul was a "spouter of lies". There are simply no teachings in the Bible that even hint that infants should be Baptised. Steve
2/9/2016 1:13:52 AM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 63, joined Feb. 2008	No, Tnt, I don't need to show that infant Baptism is in the Bible. All I need to do is show that it is taught by the Church. The Church is the mother of the Bible, not the other way around. Jesus founded a Church, not a Bible.
2/9/2016 1:19:44 AM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 73, joined May. 2012	Quote from tnteacher101: Low: You need to show Bible Verses that says that Baptism, being born again and being born from above are all one and the same. You simply cannot do it because the Bible doesn't teach that. He doesn't care what the bible teaches. He doesn't even care what Jesus teaches if his church tells him to disobey Jesus. He doesn't love God, that's why he doesn't care. Jesus says ludlow does not love Him. "If a man love me, he will keep my words."(John 14:23) "He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings." (John 14:24) And the word which you have heard, is not mine; but the Father's who sent me." (John 14:24) Low: You are attempting to use the false and heathen non-law-keeper Paul to prove that infants are to be Baptised but Paul was not an Apostle. Paul was planted by the devil to beguile and seduce weak minded people. If you will read the Bible carefully and cautiously I think you will be able to see/understand that Paul was a "spouter of lies". There are simply no teachings in the Bible that even hint that infants should be Baptised. Steve He doesn't care. He only cares what his church says. He doesn't love God, he loves his church. He says that his church IS JESUS, for Christ's sake! This is a quote from Ludlow and it will give you an idea of the sort of spiritual jam that lud is in: "Jesus IS the Church, and the Church is Jesus. Jesus=Church Church=Jesus Jesus=Church Church=Jesus Jesus=Church Church=Jesus"
2/9/2016 1:27:16 AM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 73, joined May. 2012	Quote from ludlowlowell: No, Tnt, I don't need to show that infant Baptism is in the Bible. All I need to do is show that it is taught by the Church. The Church is the mother of the Bible, not the other way around. Jesus founded a Church, not a Bible. See Steve. I told you. Ludlow loves his church more than he loves God. Ludlow doesn't love God enough to obey God. Ludlow refuses to obey Jesus. And Jesus says: "If a man love me, he will keep my words."(John 14:23) "He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings." (John 14:24) It's real simple. And ludlow himself says: "God is lovable and good and only sends people to Hell who don't love Him back." The Urantia Book says that those who become extinct personalities, never to appear again in the Universe, do so by their own free will and no one can talk them out of it. They refuse to obey God and they become more and more unreal as time goes by. I believe Ludlow will ride this horse all the way to his oblivion. [Edited 2/9/2016 1:28:22 AM ]
2/9/2016 1:34:18 AM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 73, joined May. 2012	JUSTICE AND RIGHTEOUSNESS 2:3.1 God is righteous; therefore is he just. “The Lord is righteous in all his ways.” “‘I have not done without cause all that I have done,’ says the Lord.” “The judgments of the Lord are true and righteous altogether.” The justice of the Universal Father cannot be influenced by the acts and performances of his creatures, “for there is no iniquity with the Lord our God, no respect of persons, no taking of gifts.” 2:3.2 How futile to make puerile appeals to such a God to modify his changeless decrees so that we can avoid the just consequences of the operation of his wise natural laws and righteous spiritual mandates! “Be not deceived; God is not mocked, for whatsoever a man sows that shall he also reap.” True, even in the justice of reaping the harvest of wrongdoing, this divine justice is always tempered with mercy. Infinite wisdom is the eternal arbiter which determines the proportions of justice and mercy which shall be meted out in any given circumstance. The greatest punishment (in reality an inevitable consequence) for wrongdoing and deliberate rebellion against the government of God is loss of existence as an individual subject of that government. The final result of wholehearted sin is annihilation. In the last analysis, such sin-identified individuals have destroyed themselves by becoming wholly unreal through their embrace of iniquity. The factual disappearance of such a creature is, however, always delayed until the ordained order of justice current in that universe has been fully complied with. 2:3.3 Cessation of existence is usually decreed at the dispensational or epochal adjudication of the realm or realms. On a world such as Urantia it comes at the end of a planetary dispensation. Cessation of existence can be decreed at such times by co-ordinate action of all tribunals of jurisdiction, extending from the planetary council up through the courts of the Creator Son to the judgment tribunals of the Ancients of Days. The mandate of dissolution originates in the higher courts of the superuniverse following an unbroken confirmation of the indictment originating on the sphere of the wrongdoer’s residence; and then, when sentence of extinction has been confirmed on high, the execution is by the direct act of those judges residential on, and operating from, the headquarters of the superuniverse. 2:3.4 When this sentence is finally confirmed, the sin-identified being instantly becomes as though he had not been. There is no resurrection from such a fate; it is everlasting and eternal. The living energy factors of identity are resolved by the transformations of time and the metamorphoses of space into the cosmic potentials whence they once emerged. As for the personality of the iniquitous one, it is deprived of a continuing life vehicle by the creature’s failure to make those choices and final decisions which would have assured eternal life. When the continued embrace of sin by the associated mind culminates in complete self-identification with iniquity, then upon the cessation of life, upon cosmic dissolution, such an isolated personality is absorbed into the oversoul of creation, becoming a part of the evolving experience of the Supreme Being. Never again does it appear as a personality; its identity becomes as though it had never been. 2:3.5 In any universe contest between actual levels of reality, the personality of the higher level will ultimately triumph over the personality of the lower level. This inevitable outcome of universe controversy is inherent in the fact that divinity of quality equals the degree of reality or actuality of any will creature. Undiluted evil, complete error, willful sin, and unmitigated iniquity are inherently and automatically suicidal. Such attitudes of cosmic unreality can survive in the universe only because of transient mercy-tolerance pending the action of the justice-determining and fairness-finding mechanisms of the universe tribunals of righteous adjudication. 2:3.6 The rule of the Creator Sons in the local universes is one of creation and spiritualization. These Sons devote themselves to the effective execution of the Paradise plan of progressive mortal ascension, to the rehabilitation of rebels and wrong thinkers, but when all such loving efforts are finally and forever rejected, the final decree of dissolution is executed by forces acting under the jurisdiction of the Ancients of Days. -The Urantia Book [Edited 2/9/2016 1:34:43 AM ]
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followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 73, joined May. 2012	Quote from ludlowlowell: Hearing or reading the Bible (a book much of which you reject) is not a spiritual relationship with Jesus. YOU have no personal relationship with Jesus as long as you refuse to obey Him.
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ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 63, joined Feb. 2008	Oh, I have a very personal relationship with Jesus. I confessed my sins to Him last Saturday through His priest, and He forgave me through His priest, then on Sunday I ate His Body and drank His Blood.
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followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 73, joined May. 2012	Quote from ludlowlowell: How do you know they didn't? Because the bible doesn't say they did and because it's unethical to baptize people against their will, and then tell them later that they have an indelible Catholic mark on their souls that they can never get rid of, thus negating the free will that God gave them. [Edited 2/9/2016 2:32:10 AM ]
2/9/2016 9:02:49 AM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 63, joined Feb. 2008	Just because the Bible doesn't say the early Christians dodn't baptize babies doesn't mean they didn't do it. The Bible doesn't say that they DIDN'T baptize them. Some doctrines are written, some are passed by oral tradition---see 2 Thessalonians 2:15. And there is plenty of historical evidence that the early Christians baptized babies. St. Augustine (a.d. 354-430) writes: "The blessed Cyprian, indeed, said, in order to correct those who thought that an infant should not be baptized before the eighth day...he, held that a child may be properly baptized immediately after birth."
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tnteacher101 Morristown, TN 66, joined Aug. 2010	Quote from ludlowlowell: Oh, I have a very personal relationship with Jesus. I confessed my sins to Him last Saturday through His priest, and He forgave me through His priest, then on Sunday I ate His Body and drank His Blood. Low: What you need to realize is that asking for forgiveness of your sins is completely worthless unless you actually turn from those sins. I would think you should be able to understand something that simple. There is no forgiveness of any sins if you don't turn from those sins. It appears that you think you can con Yahweh but you will never, ever, be able to do that. It almost seems that you think you are smarter than Yahweh and that is simply something that will never happen. You should not be asking for forgiveness unless you are willing to turn from the sins that you ask forgiveness for. Low, you need to sharpen up while there still may be time to change from your false and wicked ways and start obeying Yahweh's Laws/Torah and Commandments. Moses, the Prophets, Yeshua and the true 12 Apostles obeyed Yahweh's Laws/Torah and Commandments and if you are going to follow their teachings then you need to do the very same as they did. The Catholic Church and the silly teachings of the murderer, tare and false aspostle Paul have lead you in the wrong direction. You need to ask forgiveness for following false gods and start following the Laws/Torah and Commandments of the true God which is Yahweh Steve
2/9/2016 1:18:07 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 73, joined May. 2012	Quote from ludlowlowell: Oh, I have a very personal relationship with Jesus. I confessed my sins to Him last Saturday through His priest, and He forgave me through His priest, then on Sunday I ate His Body and drank His Blood. YOU have no personal relationship with Jesus as long as you refuse to obey Him. You do not love God. "If a man love me, he will keep my words."(John 14:23) "He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings." (John 14:24) And the word which you have heard, is not mine; but the Father's who sent me." (John 14:24) [Edited 2/9/2016 1:19:04 PM ]
2/9/2016 1:42:17 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 73, joined May. 2012	Quote from ludlowlowell: Oh, I have a very personal relationship with Jesus. I confessed my sins to Him last Saturday through His priest, and He forgave me through His priest, then on Sunday I ate His Body and drank His Blood. It's a measure of your slide into unreality and delusion that you think you have a personal relationship with a God who says you don't love Him because you refuse to obey Him. "If a man love me, he will keep my words."(John 14:23) "He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings." (John 14:24) And the word which you have heard, is not mine; but the Father's who sent me." (John 14:24) Another measure of your slide into unreality and delusion is the idea that you are drinking God's blood and eating His flesh and that you think that's a good thing and a real thing. You are sliding into unreality. And you probably did not confess your sin of disobedience to God. You probably even made it worse by calling your priest "Father," once again at that very sin-forgiving event, defying God once again. You can't confess your sin of disobedience to God to any of your "Fathers" because they want you to call them, "Father" in defiance of God. So you're trapped. And trapped is right where the church wants you to be, with no way out. You can't look to God for a way out. The church has blocked that avenue. You can only go through the church and that leads back to all the same issues. You're in a circular trap. And no, the priest cannot forgive your sins. That's another delusion that they have foisted on you.
2/9/2016 1:50:53 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
slowpoke7 Hendersonville, TN 75, joined Feb. 2011	LOVE IS IN THE AIR
2/9/2016 2:28:12 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
prophetic774 Winter Haven, FL 65, joined Feb. 2011	LOUIE: Actually unlike the Satanic Roman Catholic church I believe in the words of Jesus in John 17:17; Jesus prayed to His Father, "Sanctify them by the TRUTH YOUR WORD IS TRUTH!" Ephesians 1:3-8: Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ who has blessed us in the heavenly realms with every spiritual blessing in Christ. For HE CHOSE US in Him before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in His sight. In love HE PREDESTINED US to be adopted as His sons through Jesus Christ,in accordance with His pleasure and will--to the praise of his glorious grace, which He has freely given us in the One He loves. In Him we have REDEMPTION THROUGH HIS BLOOD, the forgiveness of sins, in accordance with the riches of God's grace that He lavished on us with all wisdom and understanding! John 3:3: Jesus declares, "I tell you the truth, no one can see the Kingdom of God unless his is BORN AGAIN!"John 1:12,13: He gave the right to become children of God--children born not of human descent, NOR OF A HUMAN DECISION, or a husband's will, but BORN OF GOD!! John 6:28,29: Then they asked Jesus, "What must we do to do the works God requires?" Jesus answered, "The WORK OF GOD is this: to believe in the One He has sent!" John 6:37,39,44,65: Jesus says, "All that the Father gives to Me WILL come to Me, and whoever comes to Me I will NEVER drive away...And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that I shall lose NONE of all He has given Me, but raise them up at the Last Day....No one can come to Me UNLESS the Father who sent Me draws him and I will raise him up at the Last Day!...No one can come to Me UNLESS the Father has enabled them!" John 17:1,2: Jesus prayed, "Father, the time has come. Glorify your Son, that your Son may glorify you. For you granted Him authority over all people that He might give eternal life to all those YOU HAVE GIVEN HIM!" John 17:9,24: Jesus prayed, "I pray for them, I am not praying for the world, but for THOSE YOU HAVE GIVEN ME!"...."Father, I want THOSE YOU HAVE GIVEN ME** to be with Me where I am!!" Isaiah 53:5,6: But He was pierced for our transgressions, He was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was upon Him, and by His wounds we are healed. We all, like sheep, have gone astray, each of us has turned to his own way; and the Lord has laid on Him the iniquity of us all!! AND SO SALVATION IS 100% FREE BUT HEAVENLY REWARDS ARE 100% EARNED!!: Ephesians 2:8,9: For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this not from yourselves, it is the GIFT of God—not by works. So that no one can boast. For we are GOD'S WORKMANSHIP, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do! Hebrews 11:1,6: Now faith is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see....And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to Him must believe that He exists and that He REWARDS those who earnestly seek Him!! Ephesians 6:8: Serve wholeheartedly , as if you were serving the Lord, not men, because you know that the Lord will REWARD everyone for what ever good he does!. Revelation 22:12 Jesus says, “Behold I am coming soon! My REWARD is with Me, and I will give to everyone according to what he has done!” Matthew 16:27: Jesus says, “The Son of Man is going to come in His Father's glory with His angels and THEN He will REWARD each person according to what he has done!” 2 Corinthians 5:9,10: We make it our goal to please Him... for we must all appear before the Judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive what is due him for the things done while in the body, whether good or bad. 1 Corinthians 3:13-15: His work will be shown for what it is, because the Day will bring it to light. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each man's work. If what he has built survives , he will receive his *REWARD. If it is burned up he will suffer loss; he himself will be saved, but only as one escaping through the flames.
2/9/2016 2:46:19 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 73, joined May. 2012	And how does this help, Slow? If you would help Ludlow, council him to keep Jesus' sayings. "Call no man your father upon the earth: "for one is your Father, which is in heaven." (Matthew 23:9) Jesus: "Why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?" (Luke 6:46) "If a man love me, he will keep my words."(John 14:23) "He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings." (John 14:24) And the word which you have heard, is not mine; but the Father's who sent me." (John 14:24) Quote from slowpoke7: LOVE IS IN THE AIR
2/9/2016 2:53:39 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
slowpoke7 Hendersonville, TN 75, joined Feb. 2011
2/9/2016 3:06:54 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 73, joined May. 2012	Quote from ludlowlowell: Just because the Bible doesn't say the early Christians dodn't baptize babies doesn't mean they didn't do it. The Bible doesn't say that they DIDN'T baptize them. Some doctrines are written, some are passed by oral tradition---see 2 Thessalonians 2:15. And there is plenty of historical evidence that the early Christians baptized babies. St. Augustine (a.d. 354-430) writes: "The blessed Cyprian, indeed, said, in order to correct those who thought that an infant should not be baptized before the eighth day...he, held that a child may be properly baptized immediately after birth." It doesn't matter what the "early Christians" in 400 AD did or didn't do. I was talking about Jesus and John the Baptist. I mentioned them specifically by name. That has nothing to do with what people did 400 years later. And I certainly don't care what Augustine said about it. It's interesting to me to see how people like you, when they slip into unreality, they don't even realize it. It's like the lobster in a pot of cold water on the stove, heating up. They think it's normal. Pretty soon they're cooked. I have often wondered why they don't see their own unreality, but that's why. Unreality seems normal to them. Ritual cannibalism, ritual drinking the blood and eating the flesh of a God seems normal to them and they say it's "real food and drink." This seems normal to them. Believing that a mere man is "infallible" seems normal to them. Calling a mere man "The Holy Father," seems normal to them. Bowing down in front of and praying to statues seems normal to them. And the list goes on. The Urantia Book talks about this, about how people who descend into unreality bring on their own destruction because they can't get out, they think that unreality is real. Their thinking is off. And the unreal cannot exist in the real universe of God.
2/9/2016 3:53:01 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
tnteacher101 Morristown, TN 66, joined Aug. 2010	Furch: If you don't think Yahweh of the Old Testament is the Father of Yeshua then who do you think the father of Yeshua truly is? I have never heard you comment on this before. Steve
2/9/2016 6:36:35 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
prophetic774 Winter Haven, FL 65, joined Feb. 2011	IS THE HOLY SPIRIT GOD LIKE JESUS AND HIS FATHER?? Are the seven spirits of God who stand before God's throne also called the holy spirit?? The seven spirits of God are mentioned 4 times in Rev 1:4; 3:1; 4:5 & 5:6: Revelation 1:4: Grace and peace to you from Him who is, and who was, and who was to come, and from the seven spirits BEFORE HIS THRONE!! Revelation 3:1 Jesus says, "These are the words of Him WHO HOLDS the seven spirits of God!" Revelation 4:5: BEFORE THE THRONE{See Rev 1:4 above}, SEVEN LAMPS were blazing. These are the seven spirits of God! Revelation 5:6: He {Jesus} had SEVEN HORNS and SEVEN EYES, which are the seven spirits of God SENT OUT INTO ALL THE EARTH! John 16:13: Jesus says, "When he,the spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all truth. HE WILL NOT SPEAK ON HIS OWN, he will speak only what he hears and HE WILL TELL YOU WHAT IS YET TO COME!"{In the Book of Revelation!!} By a very interesting coincidence the seven angels who are mentioned 16 times in Revelation and who ALSO STAND BEFORE GOD tell us what is yet to come in the book of Revelation!! Revelation 22:16: I, Jesus,have sent MY ANGEL to give you this testimony {The Book of Revelation} for the churches. Revelation 1:20: Jesus said, "The mystery of the seven stars that you saw in My right hand and of the seven golden lampstands is this: The seven stars are the ANGELS OF THE SEVEN CHURCHES, and the seven lampstands are the seven churches. {And then Jesus said seven times to the angels of the seven churches "WRITE" in Revelation 2:1; 2:8; 2:12; 2:18; 3:1; 3:7; 3:14!!} Revelation 8:2: And I saw the seven angelsWHO STAND BEFORE GOD, and to them were given seven trumpets! Revelation 15:1: I saw in heaven another great sign seven angels with the seven last plagues--last, because with them God's wrath is completed! Revelation 16:1: Then I heard a loud voice from the Temple saying to the seven angels, "Go pour out the seven bowls of God's wrath on the earth"! Revelation 17:1 One of the seven angels who had the seven bowls said to me, "Come, I will show you the punishment!" Revelation 21:9: One of the seven angels who had the seven bowls full of the seven last plagues came and said to me, "Come,I will show you the Bride, the wife of the Lamb!" The New Jerusalem! It is also very interesting to not that there will only be TWO thrones for Jesus and His Father in the eternal heavenly New Jerusalem: Revelation 22:3: THE THRONE OF GOD AND OF THE LAMBwill be in the City!!! {The New Jerusalem} Why doesn't the holy spirit have a THRONE??? Why will there only be TWO THRONES in the eternal heavenly New Jerusalem??? Revelation 3:21,22: Jesus says, "To him who overcomes, I will give the right to sit with Me on MY THRONE, just as I overcame and sat down with the Father on HIS THRONE! He who has an ear, let him hear what the SPIRIT says to the churches!!! the SPIRIT mentioned here must be the 7 angels or the 7 spirits of God who stand before God the Father's THRONE**!!!!! So thes inspired verses in God's Word show that that Jesus and his Father are God but the holy spirit or seven spirits of God or seven angels who carry out the commands of Jesus and His Father are not God!!
2/9/2016 9:35:27 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
prophetic774 Winter Haven, FL 65, joined Feb. 2011	John 14:26: Jesus says, "The counselor, the holy spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you!" John 16:12-15: Jesus says, "I have much more to say to you, more than you can now bear.. But when he, the spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all truth He will NOT SPEAK ON HIS OWN, he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come. He will bring glory to Me by taking from what is mine and making it known to you. All that belongs to the Father is Mine. That is why I said the spirit will take from what is mine and make it known to you. {The holy spirit inspired people to write all the inspired words of God in the New Covenant!!} 2 Peter 1:20,21: Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet's own interpretation. For prophecy never had its origin in the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along BY THE HOLY SPIRIT! Ephesians 6:17: Take the helmet of salvation and the SWORD OF THE SPIRIT which is the WORD OF GOD!!
2/10/2016 3:57:11 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
prophetic774 Winter Haven, FL 65, joined Feb. 2011	Quote from Equalizer21: I believe the 7 spirits of God before the throne, are God's spirit. They aren't man's spirit, or someone else's spirit. The fact that it also works under authority of God/Jesus. Makes it a part of the Godhead. Revelation 1:4: Grace and peace to you from Him who is, and who was, and who was to come, and from the seven spirits BEFORE HIS THRONE!! It is very interesting to note that there will only be TWO thrones for Jesus and His Father in the eternal heavenly New Jerusalem: Revelation 22:3: THE THRONE OF GOD AND OF THE LAMBwill be in the City!!! {The New Jerusalem} Why doesn't the holy spirit or the seven spirits have a THRONE??? Why will there only be TWO THRONES in the eternal heavenly New Jerusalem??? Revelation 3:21,22: Jesus says, "To him who overcomes, I will give the right to sit with Me on MY THRONE, just as I overcame and sat down with the Father on HIS THRONE! He who has an ear, let him hear what the SPIRIT says to the churches!!!" The SPIRIT mentioned here must be the 7 angels or the 7 spirits of God who stand before God the Father's THRONE!!!!! So these inspired verses in God's Word show that that Jesus and his Father are God but the holy spirit or seven spirits of God or seven angels who carry out the commands of Jesus and His Father are not God!! If the 7 spirits of God or holy spirit are one third of a Divine Trinity; then they would be equal to Jesus and His Father and would therefore have their own throne and would be worshiped as Jesus and the Father. And yet there is also not one verse in God's Word showing someone worshipping the holy spirit or the seven spirits who stand BEFORE THE FATHER'S THRONE!! Revelation 22:8,9: I, John, am the one who heard and saw these things. And when I had heard or seen them, I fell down to WORSHIP at the feet of the angel who had been showing them to me. But he said to me, "Do not do it! I am a fellow servant with you and with your brothers the prophets and of all who keep the words of this Book. Worship God"!!
2/10/2016 7:20:37 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
Equalizer21 Seattle, WA 53, joined Oct. 2014	Which spirit of the seven spirits are we endued with power from on high, or is called the Holy spirit,or guides us into all truth?
2/10/2016 9:41:43 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
Equalizer21 Seattle, WA 53, joined Oct. 2014	PROPHETIC SAID. All 7 spirits which stand before God's Throne may be David {Renamed Gabriel} Enoch {renamed Michael the Arch messenger} Noah, Abraham, Joseph, Isaiah and Daniel. Moses and Elijah are the two witnesses who also stand before God's throne. I praise God for his word. That's pretty good speculation. Is this why you consider yourself prophetic? Well, I can see numerous ways here to show you some things that might help you. I will start with something simple. Isiah 11 1. There shall come forth a Rod from the stem of Jesse, And a Branch shall grow out of his roots. 2 The Spirit of the Lord shall rest upon Him, The Spirit of wisdom and understanding, The Spirit of counsel and might, The Spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the Lord. 1 spirit of Lord 2 spirit wisdom 3 spirit understanding 4 spirit of council 5 spirit might 6 spirit of knowledge 7 spirit of FEAR of lord. Can you provide scripture for your assesment, of these 7 men.
2/10/2016 10:30:45 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
prophetic774 Winter Haven, FL 65, joined Feb. 2011	All 7 spirits which stand before God's Throne may be David {Renamed Gabriel} Enoch {renamed Michael the Arch messenger} Noah, Abraham, Joseph, Isaiah and Daniel. Moses and Elijah are the two witnesses who also stand before God's throne. Just before the amazing vision of the End-Tines in Daniel 9:24-27 Daniel said in Daniel 9:21-23: "While I was still in prayer, Gabriel {Which means MAN of God} the MAN I had seen in the earlier vision, came to me in swift flight about the time of the evening sacrifice. He instructed me and said to me, 'Daniel, I have come to give you insight and understanding. As soon as you began to pray, an answer was given, which I have come to tell you, for you are highly esteemed. Therefore, consider the message and understand the vision!!'" Note: Jesus is called the Son of David 17 times in the NT and the Root and Offspring of David in Rev 22:16. God also called David a MAN after my own heart. The Greek word for angel or witness is "angelos " and can be translated angel or messenger. John the Baptist is called an "angelos" and it was rightly translated "messenger" in Luke 7:27,28; instead of angel. The MAN Gabriel is wrongly called an angel in Luke 1:19 & 26 and should have been called a "messenger" since he is a MAN and not an angel according to Daniel 9:21 and Daniel 8:16. Luke 6:26-33: In the sixth month, God sent the messenger {Not angel} Gabriel to Nazareth, a town in Galilee, to a virgin pledged to be married to a man named Joseph, a descendant of DAVID. The messenger {Not angel} went to her and said, "Greetings, you are highly favored The Lord is with you. Mary was greatly troubled at his words and wondered what kind of greeting this might be. But the messenger {Not angel} said to her, "Do not be afraid, Mary, you have found favor with God. You will be with Child and give birth to a Son, and you are to give Him the name Jesus. He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give Him the throne of his father DAVID, and He will rule over the house of Jacob forever; His kingdom will never end!!" Gabriel or David will also probably be the 7th MESSENGER {Not angel} who will sound the 7th and Last Trump just before the 2nd Coming of Jesus as per Rev 11:15; I Thess 4:16; I Cor 15;52; and Matthew 24:31.
2/11/2016 11:28:01 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
tnteacher101 Morristown, TN 66, joined Aug. 2010	Prop: Again you are carpet bombing my threads and other people's threads as well. This is how I responded to you on my other thread: Quote from prophetic774: All 7 spirits which stand before God's Throne may be David {Renamed Gabriel} Enoch {renamed Michael the Arch messenger} Noah, Abraham, Joseph, Isaiah and Daniel. Moses and Elijah are the two witnesses who also stand before God's throne. Just before the amazing vision of the End-Tines in Daniel 9:24-27 Daniel said in Daniel 9:21-23: "While I was still in prayer, Gabriel {Which means MAN of God} the MAN I had seen in the earlier vision, came to me in swift flight about the time of the evening sacrifice. He instructed me and said to me, 'Daniel, I have come to give you insight and understanding. As soon as you began to pray, an answer was given, which I have come to tell you, for you are highly esteemed. Therefore, consider the message and understand the vision!!'" Note: Jesus is called the Son of David 17 times in the NT and the Root and Offspring of David in Rev 22:16. God also called David a MAN after my own heart. The Greek word for angel or witness is "angelos " and can be translated angel or messenger. John the Baptist is called an "angelos" and it was rightly translated "messenger" in Luke 7:27,28; instead of angel. The MAN Gabriel is wrongly called an angel in Luke 1:19 & 26 and should have been called a "messenger" since he is a MAN and not an angel according to Daniel 9:21 and Daniel 8:16. Luke 6:26-33: In the sixth month, God sent the messenger {Not angel} Gabriel to Nazareth, a town in Galilee, to a virgin pledged to be married to a man named Joseph, a descendant of DAVID. The messenger {Not angel} went to her and said, "Greetings, you are highly favored The Lord is with you. Mary was greatly troubled at his words and wondered what kind of greeting this might be. But the messenger {Not angel} said to her, "Do not be afraid, Mary, you have found favor with God. You will be with Child and give birth to a Son, and you are to give Him the name Jesus. He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give Him the throne of his father DAVID, and He will rule over the house of Jacob forever; His kingdom will never end!!" Gabriel or David will also probably be the 7th MESSENGER {Not angel} who will sound the 7th and Last Trump just before the 2nd Coming of Jesus as per Rev 11:15; I Thess 4:16; I Cor 15;52; and Matthew 24:31. Prop: I would like to ask you a very simple question and that question is: Did you read The Nazarene Code? If you will remember correctly I am sure you will realize that Yeshua was a Nazarene and never, ever, called himself a Christian or asked anyone else to be called a Christian. The Christian name was used for wayward and lawless people that followed the false teachings of the heretic and lawless Paul. Paul taught a false religion of faith and grace only and falsely claimed that Yahweh's Laws/Torah and Commandments were done away with. The true Patriarchs of the Bible never, ever, said they came to do away with even one jot or tittle of Yahweh's Laws/Torah and Commandments. Yawhweh's Laws and Commandments are still in effect today and will be in effect until the end of this Earth Age. If you want to go to Yahweh's Rest/Paradise/Heaven then you must of necessity follow Yahweh's Laws/Torah and Commands. You need to be really cautious and not follow the false teachings of the wayward and lawless Paul. Paul did his very best to stop the followers of Yeshua and he chained, imprisoned and killed as many of them as he possibly could. Eventually he found that the task was too great for him so he pretended to make up a strange story about the vision on the road to Damascus and joined Yeshua's Way movement. The true 12 Apostles did their very best to distance themselves from Paul because they didn't trust him at all. Paul wrote fourteen letters about his vision on the road to Damascus. Paul wrote more about Yeshua than the true 12 Apostles wrote that actually traveled and were taught by Yahweh for three and a half years. This mass writing campaign by Paul in itself showed that Paul's imagination was a little out of control. In Paul's writing he at one time actually called himself "father" and for the most part made more than a few unsuspecting people think that Paul was actually their god. Paul boasted in most of his letters that he was an apostle but no where in the Bible does Yeshua or the true 12 Apostles call Paul an Apostle. Paul was often more than delusional and had grandiose and overblown feeling of great self worth that were simply overblown, exaggerated and overstated by simple Paul alone. Lawless Paul had an unrealistic sense of superiority to the point that he would at times claim to be superior to the true 12 Apostles and at other times he would say he did not deserve to be an Apostle. Some innocent and for the most part helpless people, to this very day, claim that Paul was exactly, if not greater than, he claimed to be. I must say that people that function on such a low elementary level of reasoning are be pitied and certainly not looked up to. Steve
2/12/2016 11:44:51 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
prophetic774 Winter Haven, FL 65, joined Feb. 2011	TNT: The Nazarene Code is mainly based on the complete misinterpretation of I John 2:3-5: I John 2:3-5: We know that we have come to know Him {Jesus} if we obey His commands. The man who says, "I know Him," but does not do what He commands is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But if anyone obeys His Word (The words of Jesus not Moses and the Torah}, God's love is truly made complete in him. This is how we know we are in Him! Deuteronomy 18:18-19: The Lord said to me {Moses}, "I will raise up from them a prophet like you from among their brothers; I will put My words in His mouth, and He will tell them everything I command Him. If anyone does not listen to My words that the prophet speaks in My name, I will call him to account!" John 14:23,24:Jesus replied, "If anyone loves Me he will obey My teaching. My Father will love him and We will come to him and make Our home with him. He who does not love Me will not obey My teaching. These words you hear are not my own; they belong to the Father who sent Me!!" Matthew 28:18-20: Jesus says, "All authority on heaven and on earth has been given to Me. Therefore go and take disciples of all nations.....teaching them to OBEY EVERYTHING I commanded you!"{Which is the NT Covenant not the Torah-Read Acts 15:5-11} The Nazarene Code also states that everything in the book of Revelation is from God which would include Revelation 1:5 and Revelation 5:9: Revelation 1:5: From Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness and ruler of the kings of the earth. To Him who loves us and has freed us from our sins BY HIS BLOOD! Revelation 5:9: You {Jesus} are worthy to take the scroll and to open its seals, because you were slain, and WITH YOUR BLOOD you purchased men for God from every tribe, people and nation!!
2/13/2016 3:37:24 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
tnteacher101 Morristown, TN 66, joined Aug. 2010	Prop wrote this on my other thread and this was my response there: Quote from prophetic774: TNT: The Nazarene Code is mainly based on the complete misinterpretation of I John 2:3-5: I John 2:3-5: We know that we have come to know Him {Jesus} if we obey His commands. The man who says, "I know Him," but does not do what He commands is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But if anyone obeys His Word (The words of Jesus not Moses and the Torah}, God's love is truly made complete in him. This is how we know we are in Him! Deuteronomy 18:18-19: The Lord said to me {Moses}, "I will raise up from them a prophet like you from among their brothers; I will put My words in His mouth, and He will tell them everything I command Him. If anyone does not listen to My words that the prophet speaks in My name, I will call him to account!" Prop: I understand First John 2:3-5 the only way it was meant to be understood. It is you that is trying to make something out of it that is simply not there. You fail to understand that Yeshua did not come up with any new Laws or Commandments but told us specifically that we must follow His Father's Laws/Torah and Commandments. Yahweh's Laws/Torah and Commandments are exactly what Yeshua is telling us we need to follow. Yahweh's Laws and Commands are the very same Laws/Torah and Commands of Yeshua. Yahweh and Yeshua Laws and Commands are exactly the same they do not disagree at all. When we follow Yahweh's Laws and Commands we are doing exactly what Yahweh/Yeshua requires us to do if we plan to make it to Yahweh's Rest/paradise/Heaven. The verse goes on to say that if we say "I know Him" but do not follow His Laws and Commands then we are liars and the truth is not in us. The truth is not in Prop or Steve or anyone else that does not follow Yahweh's Laws and Commands. Prop: That is not difficult to understand at all. I am more than surprised that you are having problems understanding it. Quote from prophetic774: John 14:23,24:Jesus replied, "If anyone loves Me he will obey My teaching. My Father will love him and We will come to him and make Our home with him. He who does not love Me will not obey My teaching. These words you hear are not my own; they belong to the Father who sent Me!!" Matthew 28:18-20: Jesus says, "All authority on heaven and on earth has been given to Me. Therefore go and take disciples of all nations.....teaching them to OBEY EVERYTHING I commanded you!"
2/14/2016 10:51:05 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
prophetic774 Winter Haven, FL 65, joined Feb. 2011	Quote from louie6332: Prophetic, the prohibition against adding or subtracting that you site expressly applies to the Book of Revelation. How many times does that have to be pointed out to you? The prophecies given by Mary at Fatima in Portugal were given in 1917 and are separate from the Book of Revelation. Does Jesus, the King of Heaven, have to have permission from you to send Mary to give his messages? Prophetic: You imply that the Bible is the sole authority in matters of faith, but nowhere does the Bible say that, in fact, the Bible explicitly contradicts that. Louie I John 2:3-5: We know we have come to know Him {Jesus} IF WE OBEY HIS COMMANDS. The man who says, "I know Him," but does not do what He commands is a liar and the truth is not in him. But IF anyone obeys His Word, God's love is truly made complete in him. THE GREAT COMMISSION: Matthew 28:18-20: Jesus says, “All authority in heaven and on EARTH has been given to Me. Therefore go and make disciples of ALL NATIONS...teaching them to OBEY EVERYTHING* I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very END OF THE AGE!” 2 Timothy 3:16; 4:2: All Scripture is God breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of God my be thoroughly equipped for every good work...PREACH THE WORD; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage--with great patience and careful instruction. Acts 17:11: Now the Bereans were of more noble character than the Thessalonians, for they received the message with great eagerness and EXAMINED the SCRIPTURES EVERY DAY!! James 1:22: Do not merely listen to the Word, and so deceive yourselves. *DO WHAT IT SAYS...But the man who looks intently into the perfect law that gives freedom, and continues to do this, not forgetting what he has heard, BUT DOING IT--he will be blessed in what he does!! READ GOD'S WORD DAILY AND THEN DO WHAT IT SAYS!! Psalm 119 has 176 verses praising the Word of God. The Old Testament had 613 laws and the New Covenant of Jesus and His love has about 400 commands of LOVE which Psalm 119 also applies to. Some of my favorite verses is Psalm 119 are: 119:105: Your Word is a Lamp to my feet and a Light for my path. 119:97: Oh how I love your law, I meditate on it all day long. 119:148: My eyes stay open through the watches of the night, that I meditate on your promises. 119:164: Seven times a day I praise you for your righteous laws. 119:169: Give me understanding according to your Word. 119:2: Blessed are those who keep His statues and seek Him with all your heart. 119:11: I have hidden your Word in my heart that I might not sin against You. Deuteronomy 4:2: God says, "Do not ADD to what I command you and do not SUBTRACT from it, but keep the commands of the Lord your God that I give you!!" Deut 18:17-19: The Lord says, "I will raise up for them a Prophet like you from among their brothers; I will put My words in His mouth, and He will tell them everything I command Him. If anyone does not listen to My words that the Prophet speaks in My Name, I Myself will call Him to account." John 14:23,24: Jesus says, "If anyone LOVES Me, He will obey My teaching. My Father will LOVE Him, and we will come to him and make Our home with him. He who does not love Me will not obey My teaching." Revelation 22:16,18,19: "I, Jesus. have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the Churches.... I warn everyone who hears the words of this prophecy of this Book: If anyone ADDS anything to them {Like Louie}, God will add to him the plagues described in this Book {Including ETERNAL HELL} And if anyone TAKES WORDS AWAY from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the Tree of Life and in the Holy City {The New Jerusalem}, which are described in this book." I Peter 1:23-25: You have been born again.. through the Living and Enduring Word of God. All men are like grass, and all their glory is like the flowers of the field, the grass withers and the flowers fall, but the WORD OF THE LORD STANDS FOREVER. And this is the Word that was preached to you. John 8:32,33; Jesus says, "If you hold to My teaching, you are really My disciples Then you will *KNOW THE TRUTH and the Truth will set you free!!" John 17:17: Jesus prayed to His Father, " Sanctify them by THE TRUTH, YOUR WORD IS TRUTH!"
2/15/2016 5:59:02 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
prophetic774 Winter Haven, FL 65, joined Feb. 2011	Quote from followjesusonly: God cannot make you obey Him Ephesians 1:3-8: Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ who has blessed us in the heavenly realms with every spiritual blessing in Christ. For HE CHOSE US in Him before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in His sight. In love HE PREDESTINED US to be adopted as His sons through Jesus Christ, in accordance with His pleasure and will--to the praise of his glorious grace, which He has freely given us in the One He loves. In Him we have REDEMPTIOIN THROUGH HIS BLOOD, the forgiveness of sins, in accordance with the riches of God's grace that He lavished on us with all wisdom and understanding! John 3:3: Jesus declares, "I tell you the truth, no one can see the Kingdom of God unless his is BORN AGAIN!"John 1:12,13: He gave the right to become children of God--children born not of human descent, NOR OF A HUMAN DECISION, or a husband's will, but BORN OF GOD!! John 6:28,29: Then they asked Jesus, "What must we do to do the works God requires?" Jesus answered, "The WORK OF GOD is this: to believe in the One He has sent!" John 6:37,39,44,65: Jesus says, "All that the Father gives to Me WILL come to Me, and whoever comes to Me I will NEVER drive away...And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that I shall lose NONE of all He has given Me, but raise them up at the Last Day....No one can come to Me UNLESS the Father who sent Me draws him and I will raise him up at the Last Day!...No one can come to Me UNLESS the Father has enabled them!" John 17:1,2: Jesus prayed, "Father, the time has come. Glorify your Son, that your Son may glorify you. For you granted Him authority over all people that He might give eternal life to all those YOU HAVE GIVEN HIM!" John 17:9,24: Jesus prayed, "I pray for them, I am not praying for the world, but for THOSE YOU HAVE GIVEN ME!"...."Father, I want THOSE YOU HAVE GIVEN ME to be with Me where I am!!" Romans 9:10-18: Rebekah's children had one and the same father, our father Isaac. Yet, before the twins were born or had done anything good or bad--in order that God's purpose on election might stand: not by works but by Him who calls--she was told, "The older will serve the younger." Just as it is written: "Jacob I loved but Esau I hated."{Mal 1:2,3} What shall we say? Is God unjust? Not at all! For He says to Moses [In Exodus 33:19} "I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion." It does not, therefore, depend on man's desire and effort, but on God's mercy. For the Scripture says to Pharoah {In Exodus 9:16} "I raised you up for this very purpose, that I might display my power in you and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth." Therefore, God has mercy on whom He wants to have mercy, and He hardens whom He wants to harden! And therefore followjesusonly God can make you obey Him!!!
2/17/2016 5:28:18 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
Equalizer21 Seattle, WA 53, joined Oct. 2014	Equalizer21 Over 2,000 Posts (2,664) Seattle, WA FJO and urantians say, Jesus didn't die for their sins. Yet they preach we must keep his commands, and do his works. This is denying God's will that Jesus suffer and die for our sins. Blaspheming God and Jesus. Then it's also preaching to work your way into heaven. FJO,thinks he's better than christians and attacks them in the Christian forum.
2/17/2016 5:56:48 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 63, joined Feb. 2008	Wrong. Paul taught grace and faith, but he never taught grace and faith only. That's a Protestant error, not a Pauline error.
2/17/2016 11:49:47 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
tnteacher101 Morristown, TN 66, joined Aug. 2010	Quote from Equalizer21: Equalizer21 Over 2,000 Posts (2,664) Seattle, WA FJO and urantians say, Jesus didn't die for their sins. Yet they preach we must keep his commands, and do his works. This is denying God's will that Jesus suffer and die for our sins. Blaspheming God and Jesus. Then it's also preaching to work your way into heaven. FJO,thinks he's better than christians and attacks them in the Christian forum. Equal: I don't find anyplace in the Bible where Yeshua or the true 12 Apostles taught that Yeshua's mission was to die for our sins. It was mostly the tare Paul that taught Yeshua died for our sins. If Yeshua died for our sins then He had to die for everyone's sins and this of course would include the righteous and the unrighteous. If Yeshua died for our sins and if it is His Blood only that saves us then there will be no one that would go to hades. No where in the Bible does Yeshua or the true 12 Apostles say that Yeshua did away with any of Yahweh's Laws/Torah or Commandments. If we don't follow Yahweh's Laws/Torah and Commandments then we will go to hades. Paul was the heathen that taught faith and grace only. None of the true Patriarchs taught that. Paul said that Yahweh's Laws were nailed to the Cross and said Yahweh's Laws were a curse to us. Paul simply taught a different gospel. Resting/worshiping on the Seventh Day was a forever Law; not eating the forbidden animals listed in the Bible was a forever law as well as obeying Yahweh's Holy Days. The devil is really having a field day since most people don't follow those very important Laws. Most people do the exact opposite of what Moses, the Prophets, Yeshua and the true 12 Apostles taught. Most people today worship Paul since most are following the false teachings of Paul. Paul would chain followers of Yeshua's Way and put them in prison to die and some such as Stephen were murdered by Paul and his heathen kind. Equal: If you want to do what is right you will start following the teachings and example of Yeshua and the true 12 Apostles and back away and stop following the false teachings of Paul. It is not that complex to understand. Most seem to do it out of ignorance of Yawheh's Word. Most people that claim to be Christians are merely Paulinians. I have explained the truth to you and others on this site so none of you can claim ignorance any longer. Steve
2/18/2016 6:51:53 AM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 63, joined Feb. 2008	At John 10:11 Jesus strongly implies that He would be dying for our sins.
2/18/2016 2:08:29 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
tnteacher101 Morristown, TN 66, joined Aug. 2010	Quote from ludlowlowell: At John 10:11 Jesus strongly implies that He would be dying for our sins. Low: If you will concentrate on the teachings of Moses, the Prophets, Yeshua and the true 12 Apostles instead of the heretic and false teachings of Paul you will find very little to no evidence that Yeshua only came to this Earth to die for anyone's sins. If Yeshua only came to die for our sins then that means we could rape, steal, murder and all of the other dastardly sins and those sins would be covered by the blood of Yeshua. That way everyone would go to Paradise/Heaven and there would be no need to read the Bible, pray, be Baptised or go to church. The entire Bible could be summed up with "Yeshua died for our sins and because of that everyone is going to Heaven" end of story. Yahweh's Laws/Torah and Commandments are still in effect just like they were in the Old Testament. Yeshua did not come to do away with one jot or tittle of Yahweh's Laws. Yahweh was the same yesterday, today and forever. Low, Equal and anyone else: What is it about the above paragraph that you don't understand? If you recklessly follow the teachings of the lawless Paul instead of the Blessed teachings of Yahweh/Yeshua then you are going to be in a heap of hurt when your number is called. Steve
2/18/2016 2:49:11 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 63, joined Feb. 2008	Jesus did did not suffer and die so that all would have a license to sin. He died to make up for our sins If we wish to be forgiven our sins we must repent of our sins and live by the ten commandments. "I believe in Jesus, all my sins are covered, now I can sin with impunity" may be taught by the Baptist Church but it is not the teaching of Christ, Paul, or the Catholic Church.
2/18/2016 4:15:04 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
prophetic774 Winter Haven, FL 65, joined Feb. 2011	Quote from tnteacher101: Equal: I don't find anyplace in the Bible where Yeshua or the true 12 Apostles taught that Yeshua's mission was to die for our sins. Steve Isaiah 53:5,6: "But He was pierced for our transgressions, He was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was upon Him, and by His wounds we are healed. We all, like sheep, have gone astray, each of us has turned to his own way; and the Lord has laid on Him the iniquity of us all!" NOTE: Jesus is called the LAMB 28 times in Revelation! Revelation 5:6,8,9: John a TRUE APOSTLE said, "Then I saw a Lamb, looking as if it had been slain, standing in the center of the Throne...He came and took the scroll from the right hand of Him who sat on the Throne, And when He had taken it, the four living creatures and the 24 Elders fell down before the Lamb. Each one had a harp and they were holding golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints, And they sang a new song: "You are worthy to take the scroll, and to open its seals, because You were slain, and WITH YOUR BLOOD you purchased men for God from every tribe and language and people and nation!!" Revelation 1:4,5: John, a TRUE APOSTLE said, "Grace and peace to you from.... Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness.... to Him who loves us and has FREED US FROM OUR SINS BY HIS BLOOD, and made us to be a kingdom and priests to serve His God and Father--to Him be glory and power for ever and ever! Amen." I Peter 1:18,19: Peter, a TRUE APOSTLE said, "For you know that it was not with perishable sins such as silver and gold that you were REDEEMED from the empty way of life handed down to you from your forefathers, but WITH THE PRECIOUS BLOOD OF CHRIST, a Lamb without blemish or defect!!"
2/18/2016 5:44:48 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
tnteacher101 Morristown, TN 66, joined Aug. 2010	Quote from prophetic774: Quote from tnteacher101: Equal: I don't find anyplace in the Bible where Yeshua or the true 12 Apostles taught that Yeshua's mission was to die for our sins. Steve Isaiah 53:5,6: "But He was pierced for our transgressions, He was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was upon Him, and by His wounds we are healed. We all, like sheep, have gone astray, each of us has turned to his own way; and the Lord has laid on Him the iniquity of us all!" NOTE: Jesus is called the LAMB 28 times in Revelation! Revelation 5:6,8,9: John a TRUE APOSTLE said, "Then I saw a Lamb, looking as if it had been slain, standing in the center of the Throne...He came and took the scroll from the right hand of Him who sat on the Throne, And when He had taken it, the four living creatures and the 24 Elders fell down before the Lamb. Each one had a harp and they were holding golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints, And they sang a new song: "You are worthy to take the scroll, and to open its seals, because You were slain, and WITH YOUR BLOOD you purchased men for God from every tribe and language and people and nation!!" Revelation 1:4,5: John, a TRUE APOSTLE said, "Grace and peace to you from.... Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness.... to Him who loves us and has FREED US FROM OUR SINS BY HIS BLOOD, and made us to be a kingdom and priests to serve His God and Father--to Him be glory and power for ever and ever! Amen." I Peter 1:18,19: Peter, a TRUE APOSTLE said, "For you know that it was not with perishable sins such as silver and gold that you were REDEEMED from the empty way of life handed down to you from your forefathers, but WITH THE PRECIOUS BLOOD OF CHRIST, a Lamb without blemish or defect!!" Prop: I think you need to read what I posted on my other post. Here it is: Slow, Prop, Low and anyone else that may have ears to hear and eyes to see: What everyone seems to be missing is that the most important thing about Yeshua was what He taught us and the example He set for us when He was on this Earth in the Flesh Body. Yeshua set the perfect example by following Yahweh's Laws/Torah and Commandments and not only did He follow Yahweh's Laws/Torah and Commandments but He taught us that we must follow Yahweh's Laws/Torah and Commandments as well. Yeshua could have backed down when under threat of being crucified but He never, ever, backed down from teaching the Truth of His Father. Yeshua's death and blood are not the truly important things about Yeshua that we should celebrate but the truly important thing is that He lived His Life the very way Yahweh's wants us to live our lives. Yeshua was the perfect example that we are to follow. Also of importance is that Yeshua continued teachings Yahweh's Laws/Torah and Commandments until the very end of His life. Yeshua freely and graciously accepted death instead of turning from His testimony of Yahweh. WHAT IS IMPORTANT ABOUT YESHUA IS NOT THE BLOOD THAT HE SHED BUT THE LIFE THAT HE LIVED. Yeshua's blood will not get us to Heaven but if we follow His perfect example then we will be able to enter into Yahweh's Rest/Paradise/Heaven. Yeshua was willing to lay down His Life for us instead of backing away from His Testimony. Yeshua's death showed us that we must be willing to endure until the very end just as He endured until the very end. If you will read the verses below that Slow posted earlier those verses will make perfect sense in light of the sacrifice that Yeshua made for us. Here is what Slow posted: Quote from slowpoke7: John 10:10-18 - (words of Jesus) 10) The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly. 11) I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep. 12) But he that is an hireling, and not the shepherd, whose own the sheep are not, seeth the wolf coming, and leaveth the sheep, and fleeth: and the wolf catcheth them, and scattereth the sheep. 13) The hireling fleeth, because he is an hireling, and careth not for the sheep. 14) I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine. 15) As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep. 16) And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd. 17) Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again. 18) No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father. http://htmlbible.com/kjv30/henry/index.htm Verse 10-18 - Christ is a good Shepherd; many who were not thieves, yet were careless in their duty, and by their neglect the flock was much hurt. Bad principles are the root of bad practices. The Lord Jesus knows whom he has chosen, and is sure of them; they also know whom they have trusted, and are sure of Him. See here the grace of Christ; since none could demand his life of him, he laid it down of himself for our redemption. He offered himself to be the Saviour; Lo, I come. And the necessity of our case calling for it, he offered himself for the Sacrifice. He was both the offerer and the offering, so that his laying down his life was his offering up himself. From hence it is plain, that he died in the place and stead of men; to obtain their being set free from the punishment of sin, to obtain the pardon of their sin; and that his death should obtain that pardon. Our Lord laid not his life down for his doctrine, but for his sheep. Steve
2/18/2016 6:16:30 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
prophetic774 Winter Haven, FL 65, joined Feb. 2011	John 10:11: Jesus says, 'I am the Good Shepherd. The Good Shepherd LAYS DOWN HIS LIFE FOR HIS SHEEP!" John 15:13: Jesus says, "Greater love has no one than this, that he lay down His life for His friends!" Isaiah 53:5,6: "But He was pierced for our transgressions, He was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was upon Him, and by His wounds we are healed. We all, like sheep, have gone astray, each of us has turned to his own way; and the Lord has laid on Him the iniquity of us all!"
2/18/2016 6:29:37 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
tnteacher101 Morristown, TN 66, joined Aug. 2010	Quote from prophetic774: John 10:11: Jesus says, 'I am the Good Shepherd. The Good Shepherd LAYS DOWN HIS LIFE FOR HIS SHEEP!" John 15:13: Jesus says, "Greater love has no one than this, that he lay down His life for His friends!" Isaiah 53:5,6: "But He was pierced for our transgressions, He was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was upon Him, and by His wounds we are healed. We all, like sheep, have gone astray, each of us has turned to his own way; and the Lord has laid on Him the iniquity of us all!" Prop: Yes, Yeshua was fully determined to not back away/down from following Yahweh's Laws/Torah and Commandments and not turning away from teachings us that we must follow Yahweh's Laws/Torah and Commandments even if His very life depended on it. We are to follow Yeshua's Blessed Example and we are to not back down from following Yahweh's Laws/Torah and Commandments even if our very lives are at risk. Steve

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