The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!

2/1/2016 7:00:09 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
tnteacher101 Morristown, TN 66, joined Aug. 2010	Quote from ludlowlowell: Crows, snakes opossums as food? Not my cup of tea, but there would be nothing sinful about eating these foods---some people in some countries actually do. Low: You pick and choose which of Yahweh's forbidden unclean animals you will eat and you also pick and choose which of Yahweh's Laws and Commandments you will keep/obey. I think it is somewhat like Furch said: Your god is Paul and the church that follows the teachings of Paul, the Catholic Church, is your god as well. It is obvious that you have left the true God, Yahweh, out of your life and have instead chosen to follow a false god/gods. Neither can Paul or the Catholic Church get you into Yahweh's Rest/Paradise/Heaven. Only by following the Laws/Torah and Commandments of Yahweh will you be able to enter into Yahweh's Rest/Paradise/Heaven. You, like many others, are attempting to take a short cut to Paradise and there are simply no short cuts. Steve Meet singles at DateHookup.dating, we're 100% free! Join now!
2/1/2016 7:27:41 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 63, joined Feb. 2008	It was Jesus, not Paul, who said that nothing that enereth a man defiles him. Were you to become a Catholic, or return to the Baptist Church, you could still refrain from eating pork or shellfish. Neither one of these religions says you have to eat those things. [Edited 2/1/2016 7:30:04 PM ]
2/1/2016 9:25:24 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
cupocheer Assumption, IL 67, joined May. 2010
2/1/2016 10:08:45 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
tnteacher101 Morristown, TN 66, joined Aug. 2010	Quote from cupocheer: Cup: I am patiently waiting for all that evidence you promised me. I plainly said that you would not be able to find any evidence in the Bible to support your claims. It is looking like I was correct all along and that you were incorrect all along. It did not take you very long at all to decide you had no support for your claims. I guess you are a follower of Paul as well and ignore the teachings of Moses, the Prophets, Yeshua and the true 12 Apostles. Low: It is obvious that you could care less about the teachings of the true Patriarchs of the Bible and that you put all your hope in the false teachings of Paul. No where in the Bible does Yeshua or the true 12 Apostles even hint that Paul was an Apostle. Paul very much wanted to be an Apostle but it was not to be. Paul single handedly caused weak minded people to ignore the teachings of what we sometimes call the Old Testament and instead follow Paul's simple/false and corrupt teachings of faith and grace only. James nor any of the true 12 Apostles agreed with Paul's faith and grace only teaching. The way I see it we must either follow the teachings of the true Patriarchs of the Bible or follow the murderer, tare and false apostle Paul. Lots of ill informed people today choose to follow the heathen teachings of Paul and ignore the Blessed Teachings of Yahweh. The Bible tells us that it is going to be a narrow road/path to Yahweh's Rest/Paradise/Heaven because most people want to follow Paul's false faith and grace only and are not interested in following Yahweh's Laws/Torah and Commandments. Steve
2/2/2016 2:11:58 AM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 73, joined May. 2012	Quote from ludlowlowell: It was Jesus, not Paul, who said that nothing that enereth a man defiles him. Were you to become a Catholic, or return to the Baptist Church, you could still refrain from eating pork or shellfish. Neither one of these religions says you have to eat those things. Were TnT to become a Catholic, he would, however, be expected to disobey God, as you are expected to do, and as you do. He would be expected to go around calling homosexual pedophile men, "Father" and he would be expected to ritually drink God's blood and eat God's flesh and pray the rosary to Mary and ask her to intervene for him with Jesus, and confess sins that Jesus died for, to a stranger in a dark booth doing what on the other side of the screen, one can only guess.
2/2/2016 2:37:53 AM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
tnteacher101 Morristown, TN 66, joined Aug. 2010	Quote from followjesusonly: Were TnT to become a Catholic, he would, however, be expected to disobey God, as you are expected to do, and as you do. He would be expected to go around calling homosexual pedophile men, "Father" and he would be expected to ritually drink God's blood and eat God's flesh and pray the rosary to Mary and ask her to intervene for him with Jesus, and confess sins that Jesus died for, to a stranger in a dark booth doing what on the other side of the screen, one can only guess. Furch: The corrupt and deceitful snare Paul thought he should be called Father. I guess Paul is the very one that set the sad example for the false Catholic Church elite to desire to be called Father as well. 1 Corinthians 4:15 New International Version 15 Even if you had ten thousand guardians in Christ, you do not have many fathers, for in Christ Jesus I became your father through the gospel. Paul claimed he was our Father and the Catholic Priests think they should be called Father as well while the Catholic Popie thinks he should be called "Holy Father". Paul and the Catholic Church seems to very much want to be called names that they do not deserve. All this calling people Father that are not even close to being our Father appears to be some sort of twisted sickness to me. Steve
2/2/2016 10:36:49 AM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
cupocheer Assumption, IL 67, joined May. 2010	Quote from tnteacher101: Cup: I am patiently waiting for all that evidence you promised me. I plainly said that you would not be able to find any evidence in the Bible to support your claims. It is looking like I was correct all along and that you were incorrect all along. It did not take you very long at all to decide you had no support for your claims. I guess you are a follower of Paul as well and ignore the teachings of Moses, the Prophets, Yeshua and the true 12 Apostles. Steve Patience is golden.
2/2/2016 11:30:42 AM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
tnteacher101 Morristown, TN 66, joined Aug. 2010	Jesus’ followers, believing that God had raised their rabbi from the dead, continued to meet in Jerusalem under the leadership of James, Jesus’ brother. Their intention was to await the still-coming kingdom and continue observing Jesus’ brand of enlightened Judaism. But along came Saul of Tarsus, who faked a conversion in order to infiltrate the church. Peter and James and others who had actually known Jesus were suspicious of Saul, who had never met Jesus. Then Saul, who started calling himself “Paul,” had a stroke of genius. He artfully combined traditional Hebrew ideas with those of pagan Greek philosophy, creating a new religion that could appeal to both Jews and Gentiles. He began preaching that Jesus was actually God, that Jesus’ death was linked to the Jewish system of sacrifice, that one could be saved by simply believing, and that the Mosaic law was obsolete. Paul’s zealous missionary activity and persuasive writings took his new “gospel” around the Roman Empire. The Jerusalem Church, including Peter and James, disowned Paul as a heretic and cult leader. After the destruction of Jerusalem in A.D. 70, the Jewish Church lost authority, but the Gentile Church founded by Paul increased its influence. One of Paul’s fervent followers wrote the book of Acts, which gave Paul legendary status with its glowing portrayal of him as the hero of the church. Later, four unknown writers gathered scraps of information about Jesus and wrote books they called “Matthew,” “Mark,” Luke,” and “John”—but Paul’s theology, already dominant in the church, tainted the writers’ perspective. Thus, Paul’s religion won out over Jesus’ religion. In short, Paul was a charlatan, an evangelical huckster who succeeded in twisting Jesus’ message of love into something Jesus himself would never recognize. It was Paul, not Jesus, who originated the “Christianity” of today. Source of the above paragraphs: http://www.gotquestions.org/Pauline-Christianity.html Steve
2/2/2016 2:41:47 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
prophetic774 Winter Haven, FL 65, joined Feb. 2011	Quote from Equalizer21: Prophetic even you teach we must keep a sabbath. So that would include you. Actually your are wrong Equalizer. I have never believed that the NT believes that there should be a Sabbath Day since I believe that EVERY DAY is the Lord's Day especially TODAY. However, I also believe the New Covenant clearly teaches that we should not judge anyone who wants to keep a Sabbath on one particular day like Saturday or Sunday. In the book of Acts the Sabbath is mentioned 6 times when Paul preached to unsaved Jews on the Sabbath in their synagogues. In the last 22 doctrinal books of the New Testament from Romans to Revelation the Sabbath is mentioned only ONCE in Colossians 2:16 while the other 9 commandments are mentioned many times. Romans 14:1-6: Accept him whose faith is weak, without passing judgment on disputable matters. One man's faith allows him to eat everything, but another man, WHOSE FAITH IS WEAK, eats only vegetables. The man who eats everything must not look down on him who does not, and the man who does not eat everything must not condemn the man who does, for God has accepted him. Who are you to judge someone else's servant? To his own master he stands or falls. And he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand. One man considers one day more sacred than another {Like Saturday or Sunday}; another considers every day alike {Like most born again Christians}. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. He who regards one day as special {Like Saturday or Sunday}, does so to the Lord. He who eats meat , eats to the Lord, for he gives thanks to God, and he who abstains, does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God. The last time the NT saints kept the Sabbath was the day before The resurrection of Jesus as per Luke 23:55,56. The NT saints worshipped and witnessed every day and so every day was the Lord's Day especially TODAY. Acts 2:44-46: All the believers were together and had everything in common. Selling their possessions and goods, they gave to anyone as he had need. *EVERY DAY* they continued to meet in the temple courts. Hebrews 3:13: Encourage one another *DAILY, as long as it is called TODAY, so that none of you may be hardened by sin's deceitfulness. Hebrews 13:8: Jesus Christ is the SAME* yesterday and TODAY and forever. Colossians 2:16,17: Therefore DO NOT LET ANYONE JUDGE YOU by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration OR A SABBATH DAY!! These are a SHADOW of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ!! So according to Romans 14:1-6 and Col 2:16,17 it is a SIN to judge someone who believes Sunday is the Lord's Day or someone who believes that every day is the Lord's day!!!!! I believe every day is the Lord's Day especially TODAY in the NT. However, those who believe that Sunday is the NT Lord's Day probably believe this because the amazing and important Resurrection of Jesus took place on a Sunday and the important coming of God's Holy Spirit also took place on a Sunday exactly 7 weeks after the Resurrection of Jesus. Galatians 2:14-16: Paul said, When I saw that they were not acting in line with the truth of the gospel, I said to Peter in front of them all, "You are a Jew, yet you live like a Gentile and not like a Jew. How is it, then that you force Gentiles to follow Jewish customs? We who are Jews by birth and not 'Gentile sinners' know that a man is NOT justified by observing the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by observing the law, because by observing the law no one will be justified.!" Galatians 2:20,21: The life I live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me. I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing!" Galatians 3:10-13: "All who rely on observing the law are under a curse, for it is written "Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law." Clearly no one is justified before God by the law, because, "The righteous will live by faith." The law is not based on faith; on the contrary, "The man who does these things will live by them." Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us! Galatians 3:23-25: "Before faith came, we were held prisoners by the law, locked up until faith should be revealed. So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ that we might be justified by faith. Now that faith has come, WE ARE NO LONGER UNDER THE SUPERVISION OF THE LAW!!" Hebrews 8:8,9,13: "The time is coming." says the Lord, "when I will make a New Covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah".... By calling this Covenant "NEW", He has made the first one OBSOLETE; and what is OBSOLETE and aging will soon disappear." Hebrews 8:6: But the ministry Jesus has received is as superior to theirs as the covenant of which He is Mediator is SUPERIOR TO THE OLD ONE, and it is founded on better promises. Colossians 2:16,17: Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you EAT or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. These are a SHADOW of the things that were to come, the reality, however, is found in Christ!!! Mark 7:18,19: Jesus says, "Are you so dull?" He asked. "Don't you see that nothing that enters a man from the outside can make him unclean? For it doesn't into his heart but into his stomach, and then out of his body." In saying this Jesus declared ALL FOODS CLEAN!
2/2/2016 3:10:02 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 63, joined Feb. 2008	Steve, you don't believe Jesus is God?
2/2/2016 3:55:42 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
tnteacher101 Morristown, TN 66, joined Aug. 2010	Quote from ludlowlowell: Steve, you don't believe Jesus is God? Low: I have always believed that Yeshua was Yahweh in the Flesh because of John 1:1. The false apostle Paul has done so much damage to the New Testament that it is sometimes difficult to determine the truth from Paul's fiction. I have never questioned what we call the Old Testament but the New Testament is an entirely different situation. From what you have written before I think you believe Yeshua is Yahweh in the Flesh and I tend to agree with you. Low: I would like for you to read this article about eating hog flesh. Why Are Pigs Unclean or Unhealthy – Page 2 Good Bible food So we find that clean and unclean foods are simply foods that God is saying are healthy or unhealthy for our bodies. For instance, when God all through scripture calls a pig an abomination, then it will never cease to be an abomination and God has a very good reason for calling it as such. A pig for instance will eat anything including its own urine and faeces, rotting vegetables, maggots and even the decaying and rotting flesh of other animals. If that has not turned your stomach, they will also eat cancerous growths from other animals including other pigs. To make matters worse, the fat of a pig absorbs all these poisons like a sponge. It is also known that the flesh of a pig can be up to thirty times more toxic than beef, and also has twice as much fat as beef. So eating pork is far more likely to lead to high cholesterol levels and a far greater increased risk of heart attack or cancer. And as mentioned on the previous page, pigs have very high histamine levels and sulphur content that lead to high blood acidity and osteoporosis. A pig is so poisonous that God gave the pig a canal that runs down each leg with an outlet in the bottom of the foot, which oozes all the pus and filth that the pigs system is not able to deal with fast enough, and some of this pus also passes into its own flesh. The pig cannot sweat or perspire like other mammals either so the toxins that would otherwise be sweated out of the animal remain within the body and flesh of the pig. The swine carries at least 30 diseases which can be easily passed to humans. Now you know why God commanded that we should not even touch their carcases. (Leviticus 11:8) Farmers will often enclose pigs around the nest of a rattlesnake because they will eat the snakes and will not die even if they are bitten. Pigs and swine are so poisonous that it is extremely hard to kill them with many poisons even as deadly as strychnine. After a pig is slaughtered, worms and insects take to its flesh far quicker than the flesh of other animals. In just a few days, the flesh of a swine is full of worms. Pigs and swine carry more than a dozen parasites such as trichinae, tapeworms and flukes and are contaminated with high levels of salmonella and other harmful bacteria. There is no safe temperature their flesh can be cooked at to ensure that all these parasites and eggs will be killed. The trichinae parasite is microscopic and once eaten can become lodged in your intestines, muscles and the spinal cord or brain. The end result is the disease known as trichinosis. There are often no symptoms, but when there are, they are commonly mistaken for other serious diseases such as MS, meningitis, gastritis, typhoid, rheumatism, arthritis, gall bladder or acute alcoholism. There are many more biological reasons why pigs and swine should not be eaten but a true Christian should need only one, and that is because God prohibited it. “you shall not eat of their flesh, nor touch their dead carcase.” Leviticus 11:7-8, Deuteronomy 14:8. Those who erroneously say Christ abolished the law of unclean foods such as eating pork are motivated by their stomach and not Scripture. The problems with eating pork are biological and Jesus Christ never changed the laws of biology. There are just as many problems with the many other creatures that God has informed us are unclean (unhealthy) and hence we need to trust that God has very good reasons for the foods he has instructed us not to eat. Does the Bible recommend that we be vegetarians? It doesn’t have anything specific to say on that subject. But it is clear that the first diet given to man was vegetarian, that meat was allowed after the flood until present times, and that in the New Earth the diet will be vegetarian. Apparently, God’s ideal diet for us is a vegetarian diet. And just looking at human physiology it is evident that the body He created for us to use functions best on plant-based materials rather than animal-based materials. Our teeth are designed like those of vegetarian animals – short, more designed for chewing than tearing at food. Our intestines are very long, designed for the passage of vegetation rather than flesh. (Vegetarian animals’ digestive tracts can handle plant material which makes its way down the passages over days. Flesh-eating animals’ digestive systems are short, as meat tends to putrify as it digests and should not stay in the body too long.) Is there any scientific study which compares people on various diets, and looks at the diseases they suffer? Is there really any significant benefit of one diet over another? The Adventist Health Studies have been the longest-running studies on diet. SDA's were chosen for the studies because they have been advocating the Biblical dietary standards for well over a century. The findings of these health studies have been very interesting. Adventist men live on average 7.3 years longer and Adventist women live 4.4 years longer than others in the same population. Five lifestyle choices (not smoking, eating a plant-based diet, eating nuts several times per week, regular exercise and maintaining normal weight), as promoted and practiced by Adventists for more than 100 years, increase life span by up to ten years. Fruits and vegetables lowered the risk of heart disease and cancer dramatically. Increasing consumption of red and white meat was associated with an increased risk of colon cancer. But eating legumes was protective. Eating nuts several times a week reduces risk of heart attack by up to 50%. Eating whole meal bread instead of white bread reduced nonfatal heart attack risk by 45%. Drinking 5 or more glasses of water a day may reduce heart disease by 50%. Men who had a high consumption of tomatoes reduced their risk of prostate cancer by 40%. Drinking soy milk more than once daily may reduce prostate cancer risk by 70%. In every case, vegetarians had a lower risk of cancer, heart disease, diabetes mellitus, hypertension, and arthritis, than non-vegetarians. The health laws which God gave to His people so long ago are still valid. The proof of the pudding is in the eating – those observing these rules today live longer, more healthful lives than others in the same communities who do not observe these health rules. Unclean foods and dietary lawsClean and Unclean food list - Page 3 Source of the above article: http://www.uncleanfoodsdietarylaws.com/unclean_foods_dietary_laws.html Steve
2/2/2016 4:43:58 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 63, joined Feb. 2008	The angel told the first pope (Peter) that it was okay to eat pork.
2/2/2016 4:52:39 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
tnteacher101 Morristown, TN 66, joined Aug. 2010	Quote from ludlowlowell: The angel told the first pope (Peter) that it was okay to eat pork. Low: Are you willing to risk your health and your future happiness on a verse that you believe and a verse that I believe you and some others have misunderstood? Steve
2/2/2016 5:19:57 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 63, joined Feb. 2008	Yep.
2/2/2016 5:22:46 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
prophetic774 Winter Haven, FL 65, joined Feb. 2011	TNT says: In Peter's Vision of the sheets full of animals Yahweh made it clear to Peter that the Israelites could have dealings and accept the gentiles if the gentiles followed His Laws and Commandments. Acts 10:10-15 Peter became hungry and wanted something to eat, and while the meal was being prepared, he fell into a trance. He saw heaven opened and something like a large sheet being let down to earth by its four corners. It contained all kinds of four footed animals, as well as reptiles of the earth and birds of the air. Then a Voice told him, "Get up, Peter. Kill and EAT" Surely not, Lord!" Peter replied. "I have never eaten anything impure and unclean." The Voice spoke to him A SECOND TIME, "Do not call anything impure that GOD HAS MADE CLEAN." Mark 7:18,19: Jesus says, Are you so dull {TNT}?" Jesus asked. "Don't you see that nothing that enters a man from the outside can make him unclean? For it doesn't go into his heart but into his stomach and then out of his body." By saying this, Jesus declared ALL FOODS CLEAN!" It is also quite clear that the Apostle Peter agreed with Paul on all of the major doctrines in the New Covenant!! Acts 15:5-11: "Then some of the believers who belonged to the party of the Pharisees {Like TNT} stood up and said, "The Gentiles must be circumcised and required to obey the low of Moses." The apostles and elders met to consider this question. After much discussion, PETER* got up and addressed them" "Brothers you know that some time ago God made a choice among you that the Gentiles might hear from my lips the message of the gospel and believe. God, who knows the heart, showed that He accepted them by giving the Holy Spirit to them, just as He did to us. He made no distinction between us and them, He PURIFIED THEIR HEARTS BY FAITH! Now then, why do you try to test God by putting on them a YOKE {the law of Moses above} that neither we nor our fathers have been able to bear? No! We believe it is through the GRACE of our Lord Jesus that we are saved, just as they are!" I Peter 1:18-21: PETER said, "For you know that it was not with perishable things that you were redeemed from the empty way of life handed to you from your forefathers, but with the precious blood of Christ, a lamb without blemish or defect...Through Him you believe in God, who raised Him from the dead and glorified Him, and so your faith and hope are in God."
2/2/2016 6:10:02 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
tnteacher101 Morristown, TN 66, joined Aug. 2010	Quote from ludlowlowell: Yep. Low: That is a very huge risk you are taking in throwing away Yahweh's Laws/Torah and Commandments and going with the strange and heathen murderer, tare and false apostle Paul's grace and faith only teachings. Paul had absolutely no authority to teach the opposite of what Moses, the Prophets, Yeshua and the true 12 Apostles taught. It is a risk that could very well lead you to hades and stop you from entering into Yahweh's Rest/Paradise/Heaven. You have stepped out of the watch care of Yahweh's and have stepped into the watch care of the more than simple minded Paul. Steve
2/2/2016 7:17:15 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 73, joined May. 2012	Quote from tnteacher101: Low: That is a very huge risk you are taking in throwing away Yahweh's Laws/Torah and Commandments and going with the strange and heathen murderer, tare and false apostle Paul's grace and faith only teachings. Paul had absolutely no authority to teach the opposite of what Moses, the Prophets, Yeshua and the true 12 Apostles taught. It is a risk that could very well lead you to hades and stop you from entering into Yahweh's Rest/Paradise/Heaven. You have stepped out of the watch care of Yahweh's and have stepped into the watch care of the more than simple minded Paul. Steve I don't think Ludlow is really taking a risk anymore. He doesn't love God in the first place. It's already settled. Ludlow has chosen his path. Ludlow has already decided where he stands, and it's not with God. Ludlow has determined, because his church has managed to conflate itself with God, that rather than obey God, ludlow will take his church's advice and obey it instead, and defy God. I'm tired of talking to Ludlow as if he's just a little kid who doesn't understand. He's an adult and it has been explained to him by Jesus, by us, and even by Ludlow himself. Ludlow cannot say he doesn't know or wasn't fully informed. His problem is that he takes his council from those who are equally disobedient to God and who have a vested interest in that disobedience and in having Ludlow continue in disobedience. It's a closed circle. Ludlow can't even go do his confessors and confess his disobedience to God because they're in on it too. The scam goes full circle and Lud would have to take an enormous leap of faith to break out of it, which he can't do. Ludlow does not desire eternal life enough to obey God and ludlow is good with that. The road to Hell is paved with good intentions. Ludlow can't deny that Jesus said, ""He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings." (John 14:24) Ludlow can't deny that he doesn't keep Jesus' sayings and he can't deny that he doesn't love God as Jesus said. And ludlow can't deny what he himself said: "God ...sends people to Hell who don't love Him back." -Ludlow So I personally believe that Ludlow has already accepted his wages, personality extinction at some point along the line. He seems to revel in not obeying God and following his church instead. It's hard for a froward man to back up and do the right thing. Being willfully disobedient becomes ingrained after a time. 184:2.12 It requires a great and noble character, having started out wrong, to turn about and go right. All too often one’s own mind tends to justify continuance in the path of error when once it is entered upon. -The Urantia Book
2/2/2016 8:33:37 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 63, joined Feb. 2008	Outside the Catholic Church there is no salvation.
2/2/2016 9:22:55 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
tnteacher101 Morristown, TN 66, joined Aug. 2010	Quote from followjesusonly: I don't think Ludlow is really taking a risk anymore. He doesn't love God in the first place. It's already settled. Ludlow has chosen his path. Ludlow has already decided where he stands, and it's not with God. Ludlow has determined, because his church has managed to conflate itself with God, that rather than obey God, ludlow will take his church's advice and obey it instead, and defy God. I'm tired of talking to Ludlow as if he's just a little kid who doesn't understand. He's an adult and it has been explained to him by Jesus, by us, and even by Ludlow himself. Ludlow cannot say he doesn't know or wasn't fully informed. His problem is that he takes his council from those who are equally disobedient to God and who have a vested interest in that disobedience and in having Ludlow continue in disobedience. It's a closed circle. Ludlow can't even go do his confessors and confess his disobedience to God because they're in on it too. The scam goes full circle and Lud would have to take an enormous leap of faith to break out of it, which he can't do. Ludlow does not desire eternal life enough to obey God and ludlow is good with that. The road to Hell is paved with good intentions. Ludlow can't deny that Jesus said, ""He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings." (John 14:24) Ludlow can't deny that he doesn't keep Jesus' sayings and he can't deny that he doesn't love God as Jesus said. And ludlow can't deny what he himself said: "God ...sends people to Hell who don't love Him back." -Ludlow So I personally believe that Ludlow has already accepted his wages, personality extinction at some point along the line. He seems to revel in not obeying God and following his church instead. It's hard for a froward man to back up and do the right thing. Being willfully disobedient becomes ingrained after a time. 184:2.12 It requires a great and noble character, having started out wrong, to turn about and go right. All too often one’s own mind tends to justify continuance in the path of error when once it is entered upon. -The Urantia Book Furch: I was hoping that someone, somehow, would be able to explain the Bible to Low in such a way that he could partially grasp some of it and understand it to the extent that he would be able to turn from following the "spouter of lies" Paul and start following Yahweh's Laws/Torah and Commandments. Furch: If you will kindly notice what Low wrote after you reprimanded him in the nice manner that you did. If you did not see the more than pitiful sentence that Low wrote then here it is. It reminds me of someone that has been brain washed to the point that the person lacks any small trace of common sense at all. Here is what Low wrote: "Outside the Catholic Church there is no salvation." This is one of the most pitiful sentences I could ever imagine a human being either thinking or writing. The sentence he wrote shows without any doubt at all the sad shape his Catholic Church has pushed him into. It appears that Low thinks that there is no hope for him outside the shackles and imprisonment of his self serving false church. I am extending my hand to Low so that if he ever desires to hear the truth of Yahweh's Word, instead of listening to the many fairy tales of the Catholic Church, that he is more than welcome to to ask me for help. I will do my honest best to attempt to bring Low out of the deed and dark sinkhole that he is now in and has more than likely been in since he first got acquainted with his supposed church. And, Furch, I am sure, without any doubt at all, that you would do your very best as well to help Low if he could ever muster up the strength to ask you for your assistance. Steve
2/2/2016 9:32:31 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 63, joined Feb. 2008	Explain the Bible to me? The Catholic Church explains the Bible to all.
2/2/2016 9:52:11 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
tnteacher101 Morristown, TN 66, joined Aug. 2010	Quote from ludlowlowell: Explain the Bible to me? The Catholic Church explains the Bible to all. Low: The Bible is very simple in that we are to follow Yahweh's Laws/Torah and Commandments if we expect to make it to Yahweh's Rest/Paradise/Heaven. The spouter of lies Paul was a trickster and did his very best to lead us away from the Blessed Teachings of Moses, the Prophets, Yeshua and the true 12 Apostles. It is that simple and that complex. Steve
2/2/2016 10:00:51 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 63, joined Feb. 2008	St. Paul, pray for us.
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followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 73, joined May. 2012	Quote from ludlowlowell: St. Paul, pray for us. Paul can't even do that for you, for he said: 1Ti_2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
2/2/2016 10:33:42 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
tnteacher101 Morristown, TN 66, joined Aug. 2010	Quote from ludlowlowell: St. Paul, pray for us. Low: Paul can't pray for you. What causes you to think he can pray for you? Steve
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ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 63, joined Feb. 2008	Because he's in Heaven with God. He did die a martyr's death, you know.
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followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 73, joined May. 2012	Quote from ludlowlowell: Because he's in Heaven with God. He did die a martyr's death, you know. What does "Paul pray for us" even mean? What do you want Paul to ask God to do for us? Or what? What would be the nature of this "pray for us" request? The whole idea is ridiculous. It sounds like a knee-jerk thoughtless request, especially when Paul himself taught that Jesus was the only mediator between us and God.
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followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 73, joined May. 2012	Quote from tnteacher101: Low: Paul can't pray for you. What causes you to think he can pray for you? Steve It's called "magical thinking."
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tnteacher101 Morristown, TN 66, joined Aug. 2010	Quote from ludlowlowell: Because he's in Heaven with God. He did die a martyr's death, you know. Low: I know that is the type of death that is claimed for Paul but since he was in Rome and the Roman Catholic loves the teachings of Paul then I very much doubt that he died the death that the Catholic Church claims. Steve
2/3/2016 10:16:39 AM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
prophetic774 Winter Haven, FL 65, joined Feb. 2011	Is the SDA or SAD correct when they claim their is no eternal torment in hell for unbelievers but that they will be completely annihilated???? SEVEN times in the NT Jesus stated that there would be WEEPING AND GNASHING OF TEETH in hell!!! In Matthew 8:12; 13:42,50; 22:13; 24:31; 25:30 an Luke13: 28!! Matthew 13:40-43: Jesus says, "So it will be at the end of the age. The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil. They will throw them into the fiery furnace, where there will be WEEPING AND GNASHING OF TEETH!! Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who as ears ,let him hear!!" 666 is called the Beast 36 {6X6} times in Revelation and he will rule every nation tribe and language during the 42 month Great Tribulation just before the Resurrection of Jesus on the Last Day.. {See Rev 13:5-8} Revelation 19:20; 20:10: But, the beast will be captured, and with him the False Prophet who had performed the miraculous signs on his behalf {See Rev 13:11-18}. With these signs he will delude those who receive the mark of the Beast and worship his image. The two of them were will be thrown ALIVE into the fiery lake of burning sulfur!!...And the Devil, who deceived them, will be thown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the Beast and the False Proipohet had been thrown. They will be TORMENTED DAY AND NIGHT FOR EVER AND EVER!! Revelation 14:9-11: A third angel followed them and said in a loud voice: "If anyone worships the Beast and his image and receives his mark on the forehead or on the hand, he, too, will drink of the wine of God's fury , which has been thrown full strength into the cup of His wrath. He will be TORMENTED with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb. And the smoke of their TORMENT rises FOR EVER AND EVER. There is no rest day or night for those who worship the Beast and his image, or for anyone who receives the mark of his name!!" Revelation 22:16,18,19: "I Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony FOR THE CHURCHES!...I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book. If anyone ADDS anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book {Including eternal torment in hell}. And if anyone TAKES WORDS AWAY** {like the SDA and Urantia} from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the Holy City {The New Jerusalem}, which are described in this book!!"
2/3/2016 11:41:02 AM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
tnteacher101 Morristown, TN 66, joined Aug. 2010	Quote from prophetic774: Is the SDA or SAD correct when they claim their is no eternal torment in hell for unbelievers but that they will be completely annihilated???? SEVEN times in the NT Jesus stated that there would be WEEPING AND GNASHING OF TEETH in hell!!! In Matthew 8:12; 13:42,50; 22:13; 24:31; 25:30 an Luke13: 28!! Matthew 13:40-43: Jesus says, "So it will be at the end of the age. The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil. They will throw them into the fiery furnace, where there will be WEEPING AND GNASHING OF TEETH!! Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who as ears ,let him hear!!" 666 is called the Beast 36 {6X6} times in Revelation and he will rule every nation tribe and language during the 42 month Great Tribulation just before the Resurrection of Jesus on the Last Day.. {See Rev 13:5-8} Revelation 19:20; 20:10: But, the beast will be captured, and with him the False Prophet who had performed the miraculous signs on his behalf {See Rev 13:11-18}. With these signs he will delude those who receive the mark of the Beast and worship his image. The two of them were will be thrown ALIVE into the fiery lake of burning sulfur!!...And the Devil, who deceived them, will be thown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the Beast and the False Proipohet had been thrown. They will be TORMENTED DAY AND NIGHT FOR EVER AND EVER!! Revelation 14:9-11: A third angel followed them and said in a loud voice: "If anyone worships the Beast and his image and receives his mark on the forehead or on the hand, he, too, will drink of the wine of God's fury , which has been thrown full strength into the cup of His wrath. He will be TORMENTED with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb. And the smoke of their TORMENT rises FOR EVER AND EVER. There is no rest day or night for those who worship the Beast and his image, or for anyone who receives the mark of his name!!" Revelation 22:16,18,19: "I Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony FOR THE CHURCHES!...I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book. If anyone ADDS anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book {Including eternal torment in hell}. And if anyone TAKES WORDS AWAY** {like the SDA and Urantia} from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the Holy City {The New Jerusalem}, which are described in this book!!" Prop: If you had a child that disobeyed some of your rules would you want him to burn forever and ever and be in such terrible mental torment and bodily pain? Is that what a loving Father would want for his child? Steve
2/3/2016 2:37:06 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
prophetic774 Winter Haven, FL 65, joined Feb. 2011	TNT claims: Prop: If you had a child that disobeyed some of your rules would you want him to burn forever and ever and be in such terrible mental torment and bodily pain? Is that what a loving Father would want for his child? Not everyone is a child of God!! Acts 13:10: You are the CHILD OF THE DEVIL and an enemy of everything that is right! You are full of all kinds of trickery. Will you never stop perverting the right ways of the Lord?? Now the hand of the Lord is against you! I John 3:10: This is how we know who the children of God are and who are the CHILDREN OF THE DEVIL are: Anyone who does not do what is right is NOT a child of God; nor is anyone who does not love his brother! John 12:48: Jesus says, There is a Judge for the one who does not accept My words; that very word which I spoke will condemn him at the Last Day!" There will also be a Judge for anyone who calls Jesus a liar when Jesus states 7 times that there will be WEEPING AND GNASHING OF TEETH IN HELL! SEVEN times in the NT Jesus stated that there would be WEEPING AND GNASHING OF TEETH in hell!!! In Matthew 8:12; 13:42,50; 22:13; 24:31; 25:30 an Luke13: 28!! Matthew 13:40-43: Jesus says, "So it will be at the end of the age. The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil. They will throw them into the fiery furnace, where there will be WEEPING AND GNASHING OF TEETH!! Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who as ears ,let him hear!!" Interesting Question: How can someone WEEP AND GNASH HIS TEETH in hell if he has been ANNHILATED?????
2/3/2016 2:44:53 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
tnteacher101 Morristown, TN 66, joined Aug. 2010	Quote from prophetic774: TNT claims: Prop: If you had a child that disobeyed some of your rules would you want him to burn forever and ever and be in such terrible mental torment and bodily pain? Is that what a loving Father would want for his child? Not everyone is a child of God!! Acts 13:10: You are the CHILD OF THE DEVIL and an enemy of everything that is right! You are full of all kinds of trickery. Will you never stop perverting the right ways of the Lord?? Now the hand of the Lord is against you! I John 3:10: This is how we know who the children of God are and who are the CHILDREN OF THE DEVIL are: Anyone who does not do what is right is NOT a child of God; nor is anyone who does not love his brother! John 12:48: Jesus says, There is a Judge for the one who does not accept My words; that very word which I spoke will condemn him at the Last Day!" There will also be a Judge for anyone who calls Jesus a liar when Jesus states 7 times that there will be WEEPING AND GNASHING OF TEETH IN HELL! SEVEN times in the NT Jesus stated that there would be WEEPING AND GNASHING OF TEETH in hell!!! In Matthew 8:12; 13:42,50; 22:13; 24:31; 25:30 an Luke13: 28!! Matthew 13:40-43: Jesus says, "So it will be at the end of the age. The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil. They will throw them into the fiery furnace, where there will be WEEPING AND GNASHING OF TEETH!! Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who as ears ,let him hear!!" Interesting Question: How can someone WEEP AND GNASH HIS TEETH in hell if he has been ANNHILATED????? Prop: Yes, I agree that there will be WEEPING AND GNASHING OF TEETH IN HELL but the big question is: Will that weeping and gnashing of teeth last forever and ever or will it be for a short period of time? Also you failed to answer my question which was: Prop: If you had a child that disobeyed some of your rules would you want him/her to burn forever and ever and be in such terrible mental torment and bodily pain? Is that what a loving Father would want for his child? Steve
2/3/2016 3:14:09 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
prophetic774 Winter Haven, FL 65, joined Feb. 2011	TNT says: Prop: Yes, I agree that there will be WEEPING AND GNASHING OF TEETH IN HELL but the big question is: Will that weeping and gnashing of teeth last forever and ever or will it be for a short period of time? Does the word of God state that the unbelievers will be TORMENTED DAY AND NIGHT FOR EVER AND EVER?? 666 is called the Beast 36 {6X6} times in Revelation and he will rule every nation tribe and language during the 42 month Great Tribulation just before the Resurrection of Jesus on the Last Day.. {See Rev 13:5-8} Revelation 19:20; 20:10: But, the beast will be captured, and with him the False Prophet who had performed the miraculous signs on his behalf {See Rev 13:11-18}. With these signs he will delude those who receive the mark of the Beast and worship his image. The two of them were will be thrown ALIVE into the fiery lake of burning sulfur!!...And the Devil, who deceived them, will be thown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the Beast and the False Proipohet had been thrown. They will be TORMENTED DAY AND NIGHT FOR EVER AND EVER!! Revelation 14:9-11: A third angel followed them and said in a loud voice: "If anyone worships the Beast and his image and receives his mark on the forehead or on the hand, he, too, will drink of the wine of God's fury , which has been thrown full strength into the cup of His wrath. He will be TORMENTED with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb. And the smoke of their TORMENT rises FOR EVER AND EVER. There is no rest day or night for those who worship the Beast and his image, or for anyone who receives the mark of his name!!" Revelation 22:16,18,19: "I Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony FOR THE CHURCHES!...I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book. If anyone ADDS anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book {Including eternal torment in hell}. And if anyone TAKES WORDS AWAY** {like the SDA and Urantia} from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the Holy City {The New Jerusalem}, which are described in this book!!"
2/3/2016 4:41:21 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
tnteacher101 Morristown, TN 66, joined Aug. 2010	Prop: You have failed to answer this question which was: Prop: If you had a child that disobeyed some of your rules would you want him/her to burn forever and ever and be in such terrible mental torment and bodily pain? Is that what a loving Father would want for his child? Steve
2/3/2016 7:12:50 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
prophetic774 Winter Haven, FL 65, joined Feb. 2011	TNT says: Prop: If you had a child that disobeyed some of your rules would you want him/her to burn forever and ever and be in such terrible mental torment and bodily pain? Is that what a loving Father would want for his child? However, only born from above believers are eternal children of God! John 6:37,39,44" Jesus says, "All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to Me Iwill NEVER drive away....And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that I shall lose none of all that He has given Me, but raise them up at the Last Day.... No one can come to Me UNLESS the Father who sent Me draws him, and I will raise them up at the Last Day!" Acts 13:10: You are the CHILD OF THE DEVIL and an enemy of everything that is right! You are full of all kinds of trickery. Will you never stop perverting the right ways of the Lord?? Now the hand of the Lord is against you! I John 3:10: This is how we know who the children of God are and who are the CHILDREN OF THE DEVIL are: Anyone who does not do what is right is NOT a child of God; nor is anyone who does not love his brother! John 12:48: Jesus says, There is a Judge for the one who does not accept My words; that very word which I spoke will condemn him at the Last Day!" Actually all the children of God will go to heaven and not suffer any pain or torment in heaven as per Revelation 21:1-5. But most of the Apostles were martyred and most of God's saints will be martyred and suffer bodily pain during the 42-month Great Tribulation. WILL THE COURAGEOUS TRIBULATION SAINTS SUFFER THE WRATH OF GOD?? God has always allowed His people to suffer tribulation and trials because they purify and perfect their faith and will gain countless eternal rewards when Jesus Christ is REVEALED. There are over 40,000 saints martyred every year and the main culprit is no longer just Islam and the Satanic Roman Catholic Church. Millions of saints were martyred by the Communist atheist countries after 1917 in Russia and after 1948 in China and then in North Korea and Vietnam. Many more millions were killed by Japan 1937-1945 and by the Fascists in Italy and Germany 1922-1945. Romans 8:35-37: “Who shall separate us from the love of Christ?... For your sake we face death all day long; we are considered as sheep to be slaughtered. No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him who loved us!” I Peter 1:6-8: “In this you greatly rejoice, though now for a little while you may have had to suffer grief in all kinds of trials. These have come so that your faith may be proved genuine and may result in praise, glory and honor when Jesus Christ is REVEALED.” I Peter 2:20b,21: “But if you suffer for doing good and endure it, this is commendable before God. To this you were called, because Christ suffered for you, leaving you an example, that you should follow IN HIS STEPS.” I Peter 4:12,13: “Dear friends, do not be surprised at the painful trial you are suffering, as though something strange were happening to you. But REJOICE that you participate in the sufferings of Christ, so that you may be overjoyed when His glory is REVEALED!” Rev 2:10: Jesus says, “Be faithful, even to the point of death, and I will give you the Crown of Life.” Read other persecution verses: Matthew 5:10-12; Romans 5:3; Heb 13:35-40; 2 Tim 3:12; 2 Cor 1:7-10; I Thess 3:3,4; Phil 1:29; Phil 3:10; Rev 12:11; Rev 13:9,10 & Rev 14:13. The courageous and faithful Tribulation saints will NOT* be hurt by God’s WRATH as shown in Rev 14:9-11; 15:1,7; 16:1,19; or in any of the 7 trumpet or 7 bowl plagues as explained in Rev 9:4,20,21 and Rev 16:2,4-6,9,10,21; or in any of the plagues of God’s 2 witnesses as per Rev 11:6,10; or in ETERNAL HELL: Rev 14:9-11: “If anyone worships the beast and his image and receives his mark on the forehead or on the hand, he will drink of the wine of God’s fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of HIS WRATH. He will be tormented with burning sulfur and the smoke of their torment rises forever and ever.” The pre-tribs often confuse the wrath of God with the persecution from the anti-christ. They are not the same thing. The wrath of God is intended for the ungodly and will be poured upon them and them only. The Lord knows His target and He never misses. Jesus warned in Matthew 10:28, “And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear Him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.” In Rev 18:1-24 we read about the plagues that will destroy the headquarters of 666 during the Great Tribulation. This evil city on 7 hills {See Rev 17:9} is called “Babylon” which Peter implied was the nickname for Rome in 2 Peter 5:13. In Rev 18:4 a voice from Heaven will order God's saints to stay away from Babylon {Rome-That great seaport-Rev 18:17-19} so that they will not participate in her sins or be hurt by God's wrath which will completely destroy Rome with many horrific plagues. There are 260 verses from Revelation chapters 6 thru 20 and 128 of these verses or 49% tell of the wrath of God to unbelievers, 666, his False Prophet and Rome. However, not even one of these verses tells of any wrath of God toward His courageous Tribulation saints. Even pre-tribbers and mid-tribbers reluctantly agree that believers during the Great Tribulation will be exempt from the wrath of God. Jesus says, “My prayer is not that you take them out of the world but that you protect them from the evil one!” John 17:15 Jesus says, “Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul." THE GREAT COMMISSION: Matthew 28:18-20: Jesus says, “All authority in heaven and on EARTH has been given to Me {Not some RC Pope}. Therefore go and make disciples of ALL NATIONS...teaching them to OBEY EVERYTHING* I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very END OF THE AGE!”
2/3/2016 7:25:09 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
tnteacher101 Morristown, TN 66, joined Aug. 2010	Prop: These verses tell us that people will not burn forever. Hell Will Totally Destroy All the Wicked, Even Satan! Psalms 37:20 “The wicked shall perish ... they shall consume; into smoke shall they consume away.” Psalms 37:38 “Transgressors will be destroyed together.” Ezekiel 28:15, 18-19 Even Satan will become “ashes” on the “earth” as a result of the fire. Malachi 4:1, 3 The “day cometh” when the lost “burn up” and become “ashes.” John 3:16 Those who are lost will “perish.” Romans 6:23 The wages of sin is “death,” not eternal life burning in hell. Matthew 3:12 “Unquenchable fire” will totally “burn up” the wicked. Matthew 10:28 “Fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.” Revelation 21:8; 20:14 “The lake of fire ... is the second death.” Prop: Your friend Paul said only true Christians had immortality and then changed his mind and said only Yahweh has immortality. 1 Corinthians 15:50-55 Only true Christians receive “immortality” at the Second Coming. 1 Timothy 6:16 God “alone has immortality.” This is where I found the above verses: http://www.thetruthabouthell.net/ Prop: I know I would not and I don't think you you would want a loved one or child to burn forever and ever. Steve
2/3/2016 8:23:34 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
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tnteacher101 Morristown, TN 66, joined Aug. 2010	Low, Prop and anyone else that thinks that Paul may have had a clue as to what he was talking about when he said we were under faith and grace only. Revelation makes it very clear that we will be judged by our "works". Here it is: Revelation 20:12 King James Bible And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, ACCORDING TO THEIR WORKS. Steve
2/3/2016 10:37:48 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
prophetic774 Winter Haven, FL 65, joined Feb. 2011	Is the SDA and TNT correct when they claim their is no eternal torment in hell for unbelievers but that they will be completely annihilated???? SEVEN times in the NT Jesus stated that there would be WEEPING AND GNASHING OF TEETH in hell!!! In Matthew 8:12; 13:42,50; 22:13; 24:31; 25:30 an Luke13: 28!! Matthew 13:40-43: Jesus says, "So it will be at the end of the age. The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil. They will throw them into the fiery furnace, where there will be WEEPING AND GNASHING OF TEETH!! Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who as ears ,let him hear!!" 666 is called the Beast 36 {6X6} times in Revelation and he will rule every nation tribe and language during the 42 month Great Tribulation just before the Resurrection of Jesus on the Last Day.. {See Rev 13:5-8} Revelation 19:20; 20:10: But, the beast will be captured, and with him the False Prophet who had performed the miraculous signs on his behalf {See Rev 13:11-18}. With these signs he will delude those who receive the mark of the Beast and worship his image. The two of them were will be thrown ALIVE into the fiery lake of burning sulfur!!...And the Devil, who deceived them, will be thown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the Beast and the False Proipohet had been thrown. They will be TORMENTED DAY AND NIGHT FOR EVER AND EVER!! Revelation 14:9-11: A third angel followed them and said in a loud voice: "If anyone worships the Beast and his image and receives his mark on the forehead or on the hand, he, too, will drink of the wine of God's fury , which has been thrown full strength into the cup of His wrath. He will be TORMENTED with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb. And the smoke of their TORMENT rises FOR EVER AND EVER. There is no rest day or night for those who worship the Beast and his image, or for anyone who receives the mark of his name!!" Revelation 22:16,18,19: "I Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony FOR THE CHURCHES!...I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book. If anyone ADDS anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book {Including eternal torment in hell}. And if anyone TAKES WORDS AWAY** {like the SDA and Urantia and TNT} from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the Holy City {The New Jerusalem}, which are described in this book!!"
2/4/2016 9:56:32 AM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 63, joined Feb. 2008	Steve, Paul said we were under faith and grace. He never said we were under faith and grace only. Grace and faith are supposed to be the starting points of the Christian life, not the Christian life all by themselves.
2/4/2016 12:59:22 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
tnteacher101 Morristown, TN 66, joined Aug. 2010	Quote from ludlowlowell: Steve, Paul said we were under faith and grace. He never said we were under faith and grace only. Grace and faith are supposed to be the starting points of the Christian life, not the Christian life all by themselves. Low: You may want to read what Paul really said. Paul sometimes talked out of both sides of his mouth, so to speak. Most Christians today think they don't have to obey Yahweh's Laws and Commandments because of what the tare Paul said in the New Testament. Paul said lots of things that didn't agree with what Moses, the Prophets, Yeshua and the true 12 Apostles taught. In my view Paul is going to lead lots of people to hades. Galatians 2:16 - "Yet we know that a person is justified not by the works of the law but through faith in/of Jesus Christ. And we have come to believe in Christ Jesus, so that we might be justified by faith in/of Christ, and not by doing the works of the law, because no one will be justified by the works of the law." (see all of Gal 2:15—3:14) Romans 3:28 - "For we hold that a person is justified by faith apart from works prescribed by the law." (see all of Rom 3:21—4:25) James 2:24, 26 - "You see that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone... For just as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is also dead." (see all of James 2:14-26) Steve
2/4/2016 1:44:07 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 63, joined Feb. 2008	The key to understanding Jesus', Peter's, Paul's, and James' teachings, and tge key to understanding how they all agree with each other, is to undetstand the following teachings of the Catholic Church: 1. The Mosaic (Levitical) law was repealed by Christ. 2. The moral law, as summed up by the ten commandments, still stands and always will. 3. Grace and faith are necessary for salvation but by no means the only things necessary. Hope, charity (good works), and obedience to the law (the ten commandments) are also necessary.
2/4/2016 3:58:13 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
prophetic774 Winter Haven, FL 65, joined Feb. 2011	Quote from louie6332: "Prophetic, the prohibition of adding or subtracting from the Book of Revelations (John’s apocalypse) says that it applies to the Book of Revelations, that is what the word “this” means. YOU are hypocritically adding to this prohibition by generalizing it to ALL divine revelation and ALL books of the Bible. You are falsely preaching, that, by this, Our Lord was prohibiting himself from giving any other revelations. The book of Revelations is for the Apocalypse (which began about the beginning of the twentieth century and continues through the Return of Christ and his personal reign upon the Earth from the throne of David in Jerusalem as King of the kings of the Earth. But it is very brief and oblique until the End Time and the rise of the Antichrist, which is still for the future. None of it is in the historical past as you would have us all believe. And then, after violating the prohibition in the Book of Revelation by generalizing it, you flit off to Paul, who was not a prophet and not taught by Christ and his apostles, and who stumbled all over his feet trying to formulate his doctrine of salvation by faith." Louie you claim to be a good Roman Catholic and yet you disagree with 99% of the Roman Catholic theologians and Peter who teach that all of the writings of Paul are inspired by God. 2 Peter 3:15,16: Bear in mind that our Lord's patience means salvation, just as OUR DEAR BROTHER PAUL also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him. Paul writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people {LIKE LOUIE) distort, as they do other Scriptures, to their own destruction!! Luke was inspired by God to write: Acts 9:15: The Lord said to Ananias, "This man {PAUL} is MY CHOSEN INSTRUMENT to carry My name before the Gentiles and their kings and before the people of Israel!!" Actually Louie about 80% of the Roman Catholic prophetic theologians believe are Preterists who believe that all of the book of Revelation ended in AD 70 when the Jewish Temple was completely destroyed. Whereas, I believe that chapters 2 and 3 in Revelation write many things that happened in the past when Revelation was written in AD 96 but Revelation Chapters 4 through 22 will all take place in the future and will begin with the 42-month or 1260 day Great Tribulation just before the Second coming of Jesus on the Last Day. Revelation 1:19: Jesus said to John in Revelation 1:19: "Write therefore, what you have seen, what is now {Most of Rev chapters 2 & 3} and what will take place later!" {In Rev chapters 4 to 22} Louie believes that the Lord has given revelations AFTER the book of Revelation was written in AD 96 which absolutely contradicts Revelation 22:18,19. Louie has preached here about some of these ridiculous Revelations which contradicted prophecies in the book of Revelation; given to him; which were supposed to take place in September 2015. And when these Satanic prophecies didn't place in September we didn't hear from Louie for 4 months and now he has returned possibly to give us more of his ridiculous revelations which ADD and *TAKE WORDS AWAY from the book of Revelation which is an unpardonable sin. Revelation 22:16,18,19: "I Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony FOR THE CHURCHES!...I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book. If anyone ADDS {LIKE LOUIE} anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book {Including eternal torment in hell}. And if anyone TAKES WORDS AWAY {LIKE LOUIE} from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the Holy City {The New Jerusalem}, which are described in this book!!" The only inspired additions that give some details about the End times are only found in God's Word which were all written BEFORE** the book of Revelation. For example: Matthew 24,25; Luke 21; Mark 13; 2 Thessalonians 2:1-12; I Corinthians 15:35-58; I Thessalonians 4:13-18; 5:1-5.
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tnteacher101 Morristown, TN 66, joined Aug. 2010	Quote from ludlowlowell: The key to understanding Jesus', Peter's, Paul's, and James' teachings, and tge key to understanding how they all agree with each other, is to undetstand the following teachings of the Catholic Church: 1. The Mosaic (Levitical) law was repealed by Christ. 2. The moral law, as summed up by the ten commandments, still stands and always will. 3. Grace and faith are necessary for salvation but by no means the only things necessary. Hope, charity (good works), and obedience to the law (the ten commandments) are also necessary. Low: I think you would have a much better understanding of the truth of the Bible if you would simply read the Bible instead of reading the play school Catholic Church's interpretation of the Bible. It is more than obvious to me and I am sure it is to others that the Catholic Church has misunderstood the Bible for a very long time. It is about time the Catholic Church did an about face and take another look at the Bible and hopefully they will get it right this time. It is my view that a reasonably intelligent child could have done a much better job of understanding the truths of the Bible than what the Catholic Church has done throughout their church history. Steve
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ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 63, joined Feb. 2008	Before I became a Catholic I did read the Bible. But I didn't understand what I was reading---so much of it seemed to contradict other parts of it, and so much of it, I recognized, could be interpreted in different ways.
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tnteacher101 Morristown, TN 66, joined Aug. 2010	Quote from ludlowlowell: Before I became a Catholic I did read the Bible. But I didn't understand what I was reading---so much of it seemed to contradict other parts of it, and so much of it, I recognized, could be interpreted in different ways. Low: Yes, when I first read the Bible I too saw the major differences between what the Patriarchs of the Bible taught and what the tare Paul taught. I realized Paul taught a different gospel than the Gospel that Moses, the Prophets, Yeshua and the true 12 Apostles taught. I think anyone that reads the Bible should be able to see the problems and issues with what Paul taught. I also noticed that Paul would teach one thing and then in a different verse, chapter or book/letter he would change his mind and teach the exact opposite of what he had taught previously. It is my guess that is the very reason we have over thirty thousand different religions in our world today. Steve
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ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 63, joined Feb. 2008	Can you show any evidence, inside or outside of the Bible, where the early Christians kept the Levitical law? By early Christians I mean pre-Constantine Christians, Christians prior to 313 a.d.
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cupocheer Assumption, IL 67, joined May. 2010	There were no Christians until Jesus began teaching and having a following.
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tnteacher101 Morristown, TN 66, joined Aug. 2010	Quote from ludlowlowell: Can you show any evidence, inside or outside of the Bible, where the early Christians kept the Levitical law? By early Christians I mean pre-Constantine Christians, Christians prior to 313 a.d. What is a Nazarene? Nazarene is the title by which Jesus and his followers were referred to. The word 'Christian' was never used by Jesus or used to describe those who followed him. In the New Testament book of Acts, Paul is tried in Caesarea, and Tertullus is reported as saying: "We have, in fact, found this man a pestilent fellow, an agitator among all the Jews throughout the world, and a ringleader of the sect of the Nazarenes" (Acts 24:5, New Revised Standard Version). It is clear that "Christian" was not the earliest term for the followers of Jesus, since Acts 11:26 reports its first use in Antioch - at a time and in a place at least 10 and possibly 20 or more years after the death of Jesus. Many authors have argued that "Nazarene" was not just one term that was used, but the dominant term, and that it was also used to describe Jesus himself. The chief argument for this claim rests on an interpretation of the way Jesus is referred to by the writers of the gospels. The original Greek forms of all four gospels call him, in places, "Iesou Nazarene" (e.g. Matthew 26:71; Mark 1:24, 10:47, 14:67; Luke 4:34; John 17:5; Acts 2:22). Translations of the Bible, from the fifth century Vulgate on, have generally rendered this into a form equivalent to "Jesus of Nazareth." However, it is not the most accurate translation. Linguistically, "Jesus the Nazarene" would be more accurate, and some critics have argued that it is also more plausible given that the city of Nazareth seems to have not existed at the time of Jesus; it is unmentioned in any contemporary history and it is not possible to prove its early existence other than by reference to the gospels. The Vulgate does use a form equivalent to "Nazarene" in one verse (Matthew 2:23), where its reading is Nazaroeus (Nazoraios), but here the original Greek has the word Nazarene on its own, without Iesou. However we translate these verses from the gospels, the evidence from Acts 24 does support the claim that "Nazarene" was an early term for the followers of Jesus. But it does not appear to have been the term most used by those followers: the earliest Christian writings we have, the letters of Paul (which predate the gospels by ten to forty years), use the phrase "followers of The Way." Derivations of "Nazarene" Regardless of these issues of translation, it seems clear that the term "Nazarenes" had at least some currency as a description of some followers of Jesus. What, therefore, does the word mean? The word Nazarene might come from at least four different sources: 1) The place-name Nazareth, via the Greek form Iesou Nazarene; this is the traditional interpretation within mainstream Christianity. In support of this interpretation is that Iesou Nazarene is applied to Jesus in the Gospels only by those who are outside the circle of his intimate friends, as would be natural if a place-name was meant. However in Acts it is employed by Peter and Paul, and attributed by Paul to the risen Christ (Acts, 22:8). Matthew 2:23 reads that "coming he dwelt in a city said by the prophets: That he shall be called a Nazarene," though no convincing identification of the prophecy concerned has been brought forward, the phrasing again strongly suggests that Matthew meant "Nazarene" to refer to a place name. Matthew, apparently, did not want "Jesus" associated with "a sect" called "Nazarenes" and "The Way," perhaps the earliest attempt to diminish the importance of The Nazarenes. 2) The word netzer meaning "branch" or "off-shoot." This could in turn refer to the claim that Jesus was a "descendant of David," or to the view that Jesus (or rather the teachings he or his followers advocated) were an offshoot from Judaism. 3) The word nosri which means "one who keeps (guard over)" or "one who observes". 4) The word nazir which refers to a man who is consecrated and bound by a vow to God, symbolized by avoiding cutting his hair, eating meat or drinking alcohol. Such a man is usually referred to as a Nazirite in English translations, and there are a number of references to Nazirites in the Old Testament. None of these interpretations is unproblematic. It is therefore, quite possible that "Nazarene" or "Nazorean" were simply a deliberate play on words combining Nazirite with Essene or Nazirite with Pythagorean.. Nazarenes: Jewish Christians After the word "Christian" had become established as the standard term for the followers of Jesus, there appear to have been one or more groups calling themselves "Nazarenes", perhaps because they wished to lay claim to a more authentic and/or a more Jewish way of following Jesus. Descriptions of groups with this title are given by the fourth century church father Epiphanius (flourished 370 CE), and Jerome. On the basis of their accounts, the Encyclopaedia Britannica of 1911 stated definitely that the name Nazarenes specifically identified an obscure Jewish-Christian sect, existing at the time of Epiphanius. Epiphanius gives the more detailed, though thoroughly disapproving, description, calling the Nazarenes neither more nor less than Jews pure and simple. He mentions them in his Panarion (xxix. 7) as existing in Syria, Decapolis (Pella) and Basanitis (Cocabe). According to Epiphanius they dated their settlement in Pella from the time of the flight of the Jewish Christians from Jerusalem, immediately before the siege in 70 CE. He describes them as those "...who accept Messiah in such a way that they do not cease to observe the old Law." Epiphanius adds, however, that they recognized the new covenant as well as the old, and believed in the resurrection, and in the one God and His Son Jesus Christ. Source of the above: http://www.thenazareneway.com/what_is_a_nazarene.htm Steve
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tnteacher101 Morristown, TN 66, joined Aug. 2010	Article continued: He cannot say whether their christological views were identical with those of Cerinthus and his followers, or whether they differed at all from his own. Jerome (Epistle 79, to Augustine), on the other hand, says that though the Nazarenes believed in Christ the Son of God, born of the Virgin Mary, who suffered under Pontius Pilate, and rose again, desiring to be both Jews and Christians, they are neither the one nor the other. They used the Aramaic Gospel of the Hebrews, also known as the Gospel of the Holy Twelve, but while adhering as far as possible to the Mosaic economy as regarded circumcision, Sabbaths, vegetarian foods and the like, they did refuse to recognize the apostolicity of Paul. (Jerome's Commentary on Isaiah, ix. I). Jerome's description, taken along with the name (cf. Acts 24:5) and geographical position of the sect, strongly suggest that the Nazarenes of the 4th century interacted with the Ebionites in spite of Epiphanius' distinction. Earlier church fathers such as Justin Martyr, Origen and Eusebius mention other groups who, to varying extent, accepted Jesus as Messiah while continuing to observe the Jewish Law. It is often suggested that these are the same as the groups identified by Jerome and Epiphanius as Nazarenes. One such group were the Ebionites, referred to in second century writings. There Epiphanius draws a comparative distinction between the Nazarenes and the Ebionites. Return to The Nazarene Way main menu The Nazarene Way of Essenic Studies Email us at: [email protected] Join our Essene Holy Communions email list Sign our Guest Book! What is a Nazarene Again the source of this article: http://www.thenazareneway.com/what_is_a_nazarene.htm Steve
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ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 63, joined Feb. 2008	So Tnteacher, you are saying that you are not a Christian, but a Nazarene instead?
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cupocheer Assumption, IL 67, joined May. 2010	Nazarene.... One who resides in Nazareth Nazarene.... A Germanic painter
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tnteacher101 Morristown, TN 66, joined Aug. 2010	Quote from ludlowlowell: So Tnteacher, you are saying that you are not a Christian, but a Nazarene instead? Low: That is what I think. You may be interested in this article too: How the Church Fathers Invented Christianity Jerome How the Church Fathers Invented Christianity By James Scott Trimm What many Christians do not know, is that the Church Fathers admitted that the original followers of Yeshua as Messiah, including Paul, were Jews of the sect of the Nazarenes, and that Gentile Christianity was their own invention. Of course the New Testament tells us Paul was a “ringleader of the sect of the Nazarenes” (Acts 24:5). The so-called church fathers tell us quite a bit about these “Nazarenes”. The fourth century “church father” Epiphanius gives a detailed description: But these sectarians… did not call themselves Christians–but “Nazarenes,” … However they are simply complete Jews. They use not only the New Testament but the Old Testament as well, as the Jews do… They have no different ideas, but confess everything exactly as the Law proclaims it and in the Jewish fashion– except for their belief in Messiah, if you please! For they acknowledge both the resurrection of the dead and the divine creation of all things, and declare that God is one, and that his son is Yeshua the Messiah. They are trained to a nicety in Hebrew. For among them the entire Law, the Prophets, and the… Writings… are read in Hebrew, as they surely are by the Jews. They are different from the Jews, and different from Christians, only in the following. They disagree with Jews because they have come to faith in Messiah; but since they are still fettered by the Law–circumcision, the Sabbath, and the rest– they are not in accord with Christians…. they are nothing but Jews…. They have the Goodnews according to Matthew in its entirety in Hebrew. For it is clear that they still preserve this, in the Hebrew alphabet, as it was originally written. (Epiphanius; Panarion 29) The “church father” Jerome (4th Cent.) described these Nazarenes as those “…who accept Messiah in such a way that they do not cease to observe the old Law.” (Jerome; On. Is. 8:14). But in a letter to Augustine, Jerome makes an amazing admission concerning the Nazarenes: “The matter in debate, therefore, or I should rather say your opinion regarding it, is summed up in this: that since the preaching of the gospel of Christ, the believing Jews do well in observing the precepts of the law, i.e. in offering sacrifices as Paul did, in circumcising their children, as Paul did in the case of Timothy, and keeping the Jewish Sabbath, as all the Jews have been accustomed to do. If this be true, we fall into the heresy… [of those who] though believing in Christ, were anathematized by the fathers for this one error, that they mixed up the ceremonies of the law with the gospel of Christ, and professed their faith in that which was new, without letting go what was old. …In our own day there exists a sect among the Jews throughout all the synagogues of the East, which is called the sect of the Minæans, and is even now condemned by the Pharisees. The adherents to this sect are known commonly as Nazarenes; they believe in Christ the Son of God, born of the Virgin Mary; and they say that He who suffered under Pontius Pilate and rose again, is the same as the one in whom we believe. But while they desire to be both Jews and Christians, they are neither the one nor the other. I therefore beseech you, who think that you are called upon to heal my slight wound, which is no more, so to speak, than a prick or scratch from a needle, to devote your skill in the healing art to this grievous wound, which has been opened by a spear driven home with the impetus of a javelin. For there is surely no proportion between the culpability of him who exhibits the various opinions held by the fathers in a commentary on Scripture, and the guilt of him who reintroduces within the Church a most pestilential heresy. If, however, there is for us no alternative but to receive the Jews into the Church, along with the usages prescribed by their law; if, in short, it shall be declared lawful for them to continue in the Churches of Christ what they have been accustomed to practice in the synagogues of Satan, I will tell you my opinion of the matter: they will not become Christians, but they will make us Jews. (Jerome; Letter 75) (1) “Minæans” apparently Latinized from Hebrew MINIM (singular is MIN) a word which in modern Hebrew means “apostates” but was originally an acronym for a Hebrew phrase meaning “Believers in Yeshua the Nazarene”. Jerome repeats Augustine, saying of the Nazarenes: “since the preaching of the gospel of Christ, the believing Jews do well in observing the precepts of the law, i.e. in offering sacrifices as Paul did, in circumcising their children, as Paul did in the case of Timothy, and keeping the Jewish Sabbath, as all the Jews have been accustomed to do.” (Jerome; Letter 75 Jerome to Augustine) Jerome responds saying of the Nazarenes “though believing in Christ, [they] were anathematized by the [church] fathers for this one error, that they mixed up the ceremonies of the law with the gospel of Christ, and professed their faith in that which was new, without letting go what was old.” (ibid) In other words Augustine and Jerome tell us that the Nazarene doctrine that the Torah should still be observed began with “the preaching of Christ” and was the doctrine kept by Paul, but that the church “fathers” of Christianity declared this to be an error and a heresy. St.Ignatius_of_Antioch Source of the above article: http://nazarenejudaism.com/?page_id=203 Steve
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tnteacher101 Morristown, TN 66, joined Aug. 2010	Article continued: Ignatius Invents Anti-Nomian Christianity Up until the time of Ignatius (in the late first century), matters of dispute that arose at Antioch were ultimately referred to the Jerusalem Council (as in Acts 14:26-15:2). Ignatius usurped the authority of the Jerusalem council, declaring himself as the local bishop as the ultimate authority over the assembly of which he was bishop, and likewise declaring the same as true of all other bishops and their local assemblies. Ignatius writes: …being subject to your bishop… …run together according to the will of God. Jesus… is sent by the will of the Father; As the bishops… are by the will of Jesus Christ. (Eph. 1:9, 11) …your bishop…I think you happy who are so joined to him, as the church is to Jesus Christ and Jesus Christ is to the Father… Let us take heed therefore, that we not set ourselves against the bishop, that we may be subject to God…. We ought to look upon the bishop, even as we would upon the Lord himself. (Eph. 2:1-4) …obey your bishop… (Mag. 1:7) Your bishop presiding in the place of God… …be you united to your bishop… (Mag. 2:5, 7) …he… that does anything without the bishop… is not pure in his conscience… (Tral. 2:5) …Do nothing without the bishop. (Phil. 2:14) See that you all follow your bishop, As Jesus Christ, the Father… (Smy. 3:1) By exalting the power of the office of bishop (overseer) and demanding the absolute authority of the bishop over the assembly, Ignatius was actually making a power grab by thus taking absolute authority over the assembly at Antioch and encouraging other Gentile overseers to follow suite. Moreover Ignatius drew men away from Torah and declared the Torah to have been abolished, not only at Antioch but at other Gentile assemblies to which he wrote: Be not deceived with strange doctrines; nor with old fables which are unprofitable. For if we still continue to live according to the Jewish Law, we do confess ourselves not to have received grace… (Mag. 3:1) But if any one shall preach the Jewish law unto you, hearken not unto him… (Phil. 2:6) It is also Ignatius who first replaces the Seventh Day Sabbath with Sunday worship, writing: “…no longer observing sabbaths, but keeping the Lord’s day in which also our life is sprung up by him, and through his death…” (Magnesians 3:3) Having seceded from the authority of Jerusalem, declared the Torah abolished and replacing the Sabbath with Sunday, Ignatius had created a new religion. Ignatius coins a new term, never before used, for this new religion which he calls “Christianity” and which he makes clear is new and district religion from Judaism. He writes: …let us learn to live according to the rules of Christianity, for whosoever is called by any other name besides this, he is not of God…. It is absurd to name Jesus Christ, and to Judaize. For the Christian religion did not embrace the Jewish. But the Jewish the Christian… (Mag. 3:8, 11) Conclusion By the end of the first century Ignatius of Antioch had declared that the Nazarene doctrine that the Torah should still be observed which Augustine admitted began with “the preaching of Christ” and was the doctrine kept by Paul to be an error and a heresy. He seceded from Judaism and founded a new religion which he called “Christianity”. A religion which rejected the Torah, and replaced the Seventh Day Sabbath with Sunday Worship. Yeshua did not come to create a new religion, he came to be the Messiah of Judaism. The original followers of Yeshua as the Messiah were a sect of Judaism called the sect of the Nazarenes (Acts 24:5). Again the source of the article: http://nazarenejudaism.com/?page_id=203 Steve
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ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 63, joined Feb. 2008	The word "Christian" simply means follower of Christ. The word "Nazarene" means resident of Nazareth. You're not a resident of Nazareth, Tnt, and even if you were that does not guarantee you salvation. God doesn't care what city you live in, or what food you eat, or whether or not your pee-pee has a cut on it. He cares about you following His Son, which means in part joining the Church He founded and obeying the pope He appointed, and eating His Body and drinking His Blood.
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cupocheer Assumption, IL 67, joined May. 2010	Lud.... I agree with all you stated ...with the exception of your last comment about your interpretation of what God wanted. Allow me to qualify... When God "speaks" He does not utter in one specific dialect. When He "speaks" it is to the world of people's He created. There is no "one church" and "one pope" which God "speaks" to. He "speaks" to His church and His 'Rock', Peter. Peter is the "church" (foundation) upon which all other churches are built. ERGO... "my church" is as much "the church" as "your church" is "the church" and "your pope" is not more Godly than "my pope" (minister, preacher, pastor). [Edited 2/5/2016 6:46:40 AM ]
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tnteacher101 Morristown, TN 66, joined Aug. 2010	Quote from ludlowlowell: The word "Christian" simply means follower of Christ. The word "Nazarene" means resident of Nazareth. You're not a resident of Nazareth, Tnt, and even if you were that does not guarantee you salvation. God doesn't care what city you live in, or what food you eat, or whether or not your pee-pee has a cut on it. He cares about you following His Son, which means in part joining the Church He founded and obeying the pope He appointed, and eating His Body and drinking His Blood. Low: I am sensing that you don't have ears to hear or eyes to see. I ask that you and everyone on this site go to the site listed below and read all of it. Here it is: www.thenazarenecode.com I think it will ba a MAJOR BLESSING to everyone that reads it and understands it. Steve
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ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 63, joined Feb. 2008	I recommend to you that you read St. Theresa of Lisieux's autobiography. You would see how beautiful and spiritual the Catholic spiritual life really is.
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prophetic774 Winter Haven, FL 65, joined Feb. 2011	Now TNT believes that Revelation 20:13,14 and Revelation 21:8 absolutely proves his ridiculous Annihilation fairy tale. Revelation 20::13,14: The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and DEATH and HADES gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what he had done Then death and Hades were thrown into the LAKE OF FIRE. The LAKE OF FIRE is the SECOND DEATH. If anyone's name was not found written in the Book of Life, he will be thrown into the LAKE OF FIRE! Revelation 21:8: But the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts and the idolaters--their place will be in the FIERY LAKE OF BURNING SULFUR. This is the SECOND DEATH! So here we learn that all unbelievers who suffered the FIRST DEATH in HADES will also suffer the SECOND DEATH in the FIERY LAKE OF BURNING SULFUR which is called the SECOND DEATH! Now TNT claims that when the lost are thrown in the FIERY LAKE OF BURNING SULFUR this proves that they will be immediately burned up and ANNIHILATED and will not suffer any further punishment???? However Revelation 19:20 and Revelation 20:10 shows that 666, his False Prophet and the Devil will be thrown ALIVE into the FIERY LAKE OF BURNING SULFUR and will be TORMENTED DAY AND NIGHT FOR EVER AND EVER and Revelation 14:9-11 shows that all of their followers will also suffer the exact same fate!!! Revelation 19:20; 20:10: But, the beast will be captured, and with him the False Prophet who had performed the miraculous signs on his behalf {See Rev 13:11-18}. With these signs he will delude those who receive the mark of the Beast and worship his image. The two of them were will be thrown ALIVE into the FIERY LAKE OF BURNING SULFUR!!...And the Devil, who deceived them, will be thrown into the LAKE OF BURNING SULFUR, where the Beast and the False Prophet had been thrown. They will be TORMENTED DAY AND NIGHT FOR EVER AND EVER!! Revelation 14:9-11: A third angel followed them and said in a loud voice: "If anyone worships the Beast and his image and receives his mark on the forehead or on the hand, he, too, will drink of the wine of God's fury , which has been thrown full strength into the cup of His wrath. He will be TORMENTED WITH BURNING SULFUR in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb. And the smoke of their TORMENT rises FOR EVER AND EVER. There is no rest day or night for those who worship the Beast and his image, or for anyone who receives the mark of his name!!" SEVEN times in the NT Jesus stated that there would be WEEPING AND GNASHING OF TEETH in FIERY FURNACE!!! In Matthew 8:12; 13:42,50; 22:13; 24:31; 25:30 an Luke13: 28!! Matthew 13:40-43: Jesus says, "So it will be at the end of the age. The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil. They will throw them into the FIERY FURNACE, where there will be WEEPING AND GNASHING OF TEETH**!! Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who as ears ,let him hear!!" And so TNT's ridiculous annihilation fairy tale is completely disproved in the INSPIRED WORDS OF GOD!!!!!
2/5/2016 7:42:57 PM	The Doctrine of Transubstantiation is False!
tnteacher101 Morristown, TN 66, joined Aug. 2010	Prop: I am well aware that you are in love with and for the most part follow and worship the false god Paul and that you, with every fiber of your body, cherish, honor and trust all of Paul's more than silly faith and grace talk. Paul is the apple of your eye, so to speak. I have noticed that you very seldom concentrate on the Blessed teachings of Moses, the Prophets, Yeshua and the true 12 Apostles. It only takes one simple verse to disprove Paul's cancerous faith and grace false teachings. Here is the one verse that trumps and proves that Paul was on the wrong track and that he taught a false doctrine: Revelation 20:12 King James Bible And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, ACCORDING TO THEIR WORKS. The above verse plainly tells us that we will be judged "ACCORDING TO OUR WORKS" and not by Paul's oversimplified and more than weak "faith" and "grace" false teachings. I am well aware that you spent a few days on vacation in Israel and called it a mission trip. When you were there you attempted to teach people that knew much more about the real truths of the Bible than you have ever imagined or dreamed of. If you had been aware of Revelation 20:12 I am sure that you would have understood that Paul was teaching untruths that were stranger than false fiction stories that should not have ever been repeated by you or anyone else. I am very glad that I have been able to prove to you that Paul is not the person to follow and worship in the Bible but Yahweh is the very one that you and I and everyone else are to follow and strive to imitate as best as we possibly can. In order to someday make it to Yahweh's Rest/Paradise/Heaven we must follow Yahweh's Laws/Torah and Commandments. Nothing else and certainly no shortcuts like the murderer, tare and false apostle Paul taught will get us to that Blessed place of Rest. I have been teaching, for a very long time, that in order to make it to Yahweh's Rest/Paradise/Heaven we must obey Yahweh's Laws/Torah and Commandments. Just yesterday I stumbled upon a site on the internet that proves beyond any shadow of a doubt what I have been explaining to you, Low and others. That site is www.thenazarenecode.com I am going to ask you to go to that site and read the material you find there closely and slowly. I think that because of what you glean from the information on that site that you will lift your hands and shout for joy because you will have finally found what you truly must do while in the flesh body to be able to gain entrance to Yahweh's Rest when this fragile life is over. Prop: I want you to go to that site without any delay and I ask that you report back to me as soon as possible and share the "good news" that you have finally found. I think this will be a life changing experience for you and others like you that have been looking for the truth of Yahweh's Word for a very long time. Steve

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