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1/15/2017 10:33:00 AM Against all odds Conservatism wins again | Page 3  
citylights01
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Quote from cafe_express:
City, if you are going to make a statement like that, please research what is going to be done in place of it and make an argument about the replacement.

NO ONE is going to be without coverage.
NO ONE is going to have the rug pulled out from under them


Existing diagnosis will still be covered, offspring up to 26 will still be covered under the parents plan.

Under this AHC, a friend of mine was removed from the kidney transplant list, essentially giving her a preventable death sentence.

Health care Premiums and deductibles have risen, choices have fallen to only 1 in some states.

What WILL happen;
There will be a transition period of a few years. In the interim the law will allow us to now buy insurance across state lines stopping the monopoly that now exists, where people only have ONE choice under the AHC due to the poor planning of this health care plan.

A competitive market as with anything will drive DOWN the prices for premiums, lower deductibles and increase better coverage if they want to stay in business in this country.


Are you saying that those with pre-existing conditions won't be affected at all? Kids will still be able to be on their parents' plan until 26? No one will lose their heath insurance at all? Please provide a link to your source that shows this.

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citylights01
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Quote from jitssbaby617:
Repealing or replacing something that's not affordable?


You're saying he's not repealing the ACA at all? What is his plan for replacement?

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clarity101
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Quote from jitssbaby617:
Repealing or replacing something that's not affordable?



i heard them discussing the possibility of waiting till after march 2017 when the entire
obamadoesntcarehealthcare apparatus collapses as it is expected to do before they
institute their new 'repeal and replace' plans but they would get crap for that too!

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jitssbaby617
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Quote from citylights01:
You're saying he's not repealing the ACA at all? What is his plan for replacement?


Are you saying they aren't replacing the aca?

1/15/2017 10:50:19 AM Against all odds Conservatism wins again | Page 3  

clarity101
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"You take on the intelligence community? They have six ways from Sunday of getting back at you" - Chuck Schumer



Chuck Schumer says CIA & FBI are plotting REVENGE AGAINST Donald Trump
Senator Chuck Schumer said on Rachel Maddow's show, "Let me tell you, you take on…
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfEqh8sdQ70

https://youtu.be/UfEqh8sdQ70

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citylights01
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Quote from jitssbaby617:
Are you saying they aren't replacing the aca?


What are they replacing it with? What are Trump's current plans for replacement?

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citylights01
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Quote from clarity101:
i heard them discussing the possibility of waiting till after march 2017 when the entire
obamadoesntcarehealthcare apparatus collapses as it is expected to do before they
institute their new 'repeal and replace' plans but they would get crap for that too!


So, they're repealing ACA without a replacement?

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jitssbaby617
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Quote from citylights01:
What are they replacing it with? What are Trump's current plans for replacement?


Answer my question,, are you saying they aren't replacing it yesssaas or nooooooo

Easy

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citylights01
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Jitss, I haven't seen any concrete info on what is replacing the ACA. That's why I'm asking you for that info, since you're saying it's being replaced, rather than just repealed. Here's your chance to back up your claim. What are they replacing it with?

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jitssbaby617
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Quote from citylights01:
Jitss, I haven't seen any concrete info on what is replacing the ACA. That's why I'm asking you for that info, since you're saying it's being replaced, rather than just repealed. Here's your chance to back up your claim. What are they replacing it with?


So your saying there will be no replacement?,,, yes or no... just answer it no spin it's a yes or no question...
thank you

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nuffan
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I am still curious exactly how is the barrier across state lines is getting removed...

In truth NOTHING at all has happened yet...

The senate voted to repeal it...okay...f**k, the house has voted to repeal it over 50 times...and yet it still has not been repealed...lol

Lets hold off on declaring any type of victory until we actually SEE something happen...



[Edited 1/15/2017 11:35:00 AM ]

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citylights01
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Quote from jitssbaby617:
So your saying there will be no replacement?,,, yes or no... just answer it no spin it's a yes or no question...
thank you


I already said that I haven't seen any concrete replacement plans. If you say there are some, share them here. Let's see you back up what you're saying.

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cafe_express
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Quote from citylights01:
What are they replacing it with? What are Trump's current plans for replacement?


Got to A better way, GOP.com for all your answers I already read it.

1/15/2017 11:39:25 AM Against all odds Conservatism wins again | Page 3  
citylights01
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Quote from cafe_express:
Got to A better way, GOP.com for all your answers I already read it.


gop.com? Really? Can you provide another source? One that is not the RNC?

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jitssbaby617
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Quote from citylights01:
I already said that I haven't seen any concrete replacement plans. If you say there are some, share them here. Let's see you back up what you're saying.


It's a yes or no question.. answrnit yes or no... have a back bone

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nuffan
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Quote from citylights01:
I already said that I haven't seen any concrete replacement plans. If you say there are some, share them here. Let's see you back up what you're saying.



Trump only signs off on it...

CONGRESS has to make it happen...and too many in Congress have stated they will not repeal it without a replacement...They have also gone so far to say even if they pass the votes they will not actually take it out without the replacement in place...


So I think it is going to have to have a replacement before they actually follow through with undoing the actual regulation.

and rather than talking in circles on replacements can some one explain this removal of barriers on State lines...

It is a great sound byte of a talking point...but until you understand why the barrier exist the idea the barrier is just going to go away is delusional....lol



[Edited 1/15/2017 11:43:06 AM ]

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citylights01
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Quote from jitssbaby617:
It's a yes or no question.. answrnit yes or no... have a back bone


Again, the gop says they're replacing it, but have not provided their plans on doing so. Again, if you have info on those plans, go ahead and share them. If you can't, just say so.

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citylights01
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Quote from nuffan:
Trump only signs off on it...

CONGRESS has to make it happen...and too many in Congress have stated they will not repeal it without a replacement...They have also gone so far to say even if they pass the votes they will not actually take it out without the replacement in place...


So I think it is going to have to have a replacement before they actually follow through with undoing the actual regulation.

and rather than talking in circles on replacements can some one explain this removal of barriers on State lines...

It is a great sound byte of a talking point...but until you understand why the barrier exist the idea the barrier is just going to go away is delusional....lol


According to jitss and cafe, they have a replacement for it. Neither can provide actual details, though.

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jitssbaby617
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Quote from citylights01:
Again, the gop says they're replacing it, but have not provided their plans on doing so. Again, if you have info on those plans, go ahead and share them. If you can't, just say so.


Your not answering the question,, do you think they are going to replace it yes or no (not if you have all the details in front of you at the moment..).

Answer the question yes or no!
Are republicans planning on replacing it

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sillylaugher61
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online now!


Quote from clarity101:
"You take on the intelligence community? They have six ways from Sunday of getting back at you" - Chuck Schumer



Chuck Schumer says CIA & FBI are plotting REVENGE AGAINST Donald Trump
Senator Chuck Schumer said on Rachel Maddow's show, "Let me tell you, you take on…
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https://youtu.be/UfEqh8sdQ70


I loved it when Trump called the Schumer a clown.

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nuffan
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Quote from citylights01:
According to jitss and cafe, they have a replacement for it. Neither can provide actual details, though.



Yeah well according to my ex-wife I am an a**hole...what is your point...

All sorts of people have all sorts of opinions...

In the end...according to what we have seen and heard from actual members of congress it will not be removed without a replacement...

I really do not want the replacement already decided and set in stone...I am rather hopeful maybe they will ACTUALLY think about it this time before they rush to pass another pile of garbage...and the ACA is not well thought out...it has done nothing but greatly INCREASE profits to Healthcare Insurance Corporations...And their CEO's are being well compensated for it while they claim they need 35% rate increases to stay in business...

GO FIGURE...lol

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citylights01
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Quote from jitssbaby617:
Your not answering the question,, do you think they are going to replace it yes or no (not if you have all the details in front of you at the moment..).

Answer the question yes or no!
Are republicans planning on replacing it


Yet again, they say they're planning on it. I've said that already

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jitssbaby617
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Okkk so is that a yes? Holy shiat

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citylights01
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Jitss, you got your answer. Why are you still asking?

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louie6332
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City, as you know, we had health care before the ACA was passed. What will ACA, which is anything but affordable (Democrats are always labeling bills the exact opposite of what they are in order to get them passes), be replaced with, you ask?

Well, when we asked YOU what was in the ACA when you are trying to ram it down our throats, you famously said: “You’ll have to pass it first to find out what’s in it”. Remember that? But we were assured that “if you like your insurance, you can keep your insurance, and if you like your doctor you can keep your doctor”, but that was not in there, that was a bold faced lie just to get it passed, and Obama later admitted that it was a lie. It’s authors later revealed that ACA was meant to fail, that failure was written into it, that it was only the first step towards a so-called “one payer health care”, that is, towards Government monopoly health care, which outlaws private health care and gives the Government a total monopoly on health care. Which, by the way, is not one of the powers that the Constitution reserves to the Federal Government, and which, therefore is unconstitutional. And now, after slapping the American people in the face with ACA without us even knowing what was in it, you are wanting to know what it will be replaced with before legislative action can even be discussed. I have an idea, why not replace it with what we have before the ACA destroyed affordable health care? What we had was far, far more affordable than ACA and, generally speaking, much better insurance.

Government monopoly health care has not worked out in the UK, the other day, they had to declare a health emergency because the system was so broken down.

Nuffan, you make a good point about why states forbad buying insurance across state lines. It’s a shame, however, when States have to take such measures to keep the Federal Government from unconstitutionally interfering with States rights. Of course, as we have seen with the ACA and other actions, it hasn’t worked, for the Federal Government is Hell bent on interfering with State and individual rights whether the States like it to not.

Louie

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fallguy02379
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Quote from louie6332:
City, as you know, we had health care before the ACA was passed. What will ACA, which is anything but affordable (Democrats are always labeling bills the exact opposite of what they are in order to get them passes), be replaced with, you ask?

Well, when we asked YOU what was in the ACA when you are trying to ram it down our throats, you famously said: “You’ll have to pass it first to find out what’s in it”. Remember that? But we were assured that “if you like your insurance, you can keep your insurance, and if you like your doctor you can keep your doctor”, but that was not in there, that was a bold faced lie just to get it passed, and Obama later admitted that it was a lie. It’s authors later revealed that ACA was meant to fail, that failure was written into it, that it was only the first step towards a so-called “one payer health care”, that is, towards Government monopoly health care, which outlaws private health care and gives the Government a total monopoly on health care. Which, by the way, is not one of the powers that the Constitution reserves to the Federal Government, and which, therefore is unconstitutional. And now, after slapping the American people in the face with ACA without us even knowing what was in it, you are wanting to know what it will be replaced with before legislative action can even be discussed. I have an idea, why not replace it with what we have before the ACA destroyed affordable health care? What we had was far, far more affordable than ACA and, generally speaking, much better insurance.

Government monopoly health care has not worked out in the UK, the other day, they had to declare a health emergency because the system was so broken down.

Nuffan, you make a good point about why states forbad buying insurance across state lines. It’s a shame, however, when States have to take such measures to keep the Federal Government from unconstitutionally interfering with States rights. Of course, as we have seen with the ACA and other actions, it hasn’t worked, for the Federal Government is Hell bent on interfering with State and individual rights whether the States like it to not.

Louie


"The president was referring to the law and to the fact that the law was written in a way — and everybody who closely covered the drafting of that legislation knew it was written about — that the grandfathering clause was in the law, and he was referring to the implementation of that law through the rule process," Carney said.

Grandfathered health plans do not have to meet all of the law's new coverage requirements. But in order to be grandfathered, health plans must have existed on March 23, 2010. Those with individual grandfathered plans had to have them before the law took effect. And to maintain their grandfathered status, the plans must not be changed to cut benefits or significantly raise prices for consumers through deductibles or co-pays.

It's true that Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius explained the grandfather clause in a June 14, 2010, blog post announcing new health care regulations.

"Under the rule issued today, employers or issuers offering such coverage will have the flexibility of making reasonable changes without losing their 'grandfathered' status," Sebelius wrote. "However, if health plans significantly raise co-payments or deductibles, or if they significantly reduce benefits – for example, if they stop covering treatment for a disease like HIV/AIDS or cystic fibrosis – they'll lose their grandfathered status and their customers will get the same full set of consumer protections as new plans."

1/15/2017 12:12:53 PM Against all odds Conservatism wins again | Page 3  

nuffan
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Quote from louie6332:
City, as you know, we had health care before the ACA was passed. What will ACA, which is anything but affordable (Democrats are always labeling bills the exact opposite of what they are in order to get them passes), be replaced with, you ask?

Well, when we asked YOU what was in the ACA when you are trying to ram it down our throats, you famously said: “You’ll have to pass it first to find out what’s in it”. Remember that? But we were assured that “if you like your insurance, you can keep your insurance, and if you like your doctor you can keep your doctor”, but that was not in there , that was a bold faced lie just to get it passed, and Obama later admitted that it was a lie. It’s authors later revealed that ACA was meant to fail, that failure was written into it, that it was only the first step towards a so-called “one payer health care”, that is, towards Government monopoly health care, which outlaws private health care and gives the Government a total monopoly on health care. Which, by the way, is not one of the powers that the Constitution reserves to the Federal Government, and which, therefore is unconstitutional. And now, after slapping the American people in the face with ACA without us even knowing what was in it, you are wanting to know what it will be replaced with before legislative action can even be discussed. I have an idea, why not replace it with what we have before the ACA destroyed affordable health care? What we had was far, far more affordable than ACA and, generally speaking, much better insurance.

Government monopoly health care has not worked out in the UK, the other day, they had to declare a health emergency because the system was so broken down.

Nuffan, you make a good point about why states forbad buying insurance across state lines. It’s a shame, however, when States have to take such measures to keep the Federal Government from unconstitutionally interfering with States rights. Of course, as we have seen with the ACA and other actions, it hasn’t worked, for the Federal Government is Hell bent on interfering with State and individual rights whether the States like it to not.

Louie



Your bolded statement above is an absolute LIE...

It is specifically written into the ACA legislation that existing plans were grandfathered into the law for the next 48 months...

What contradicted the actual law was STATE level Department of Insurance which EACH STATE has...and several states did not allow existing plans to be grandfathered in...but the FEDERAL REGULATION allowed for it as promised...

The ACA sucks and was poorly thought out....but your ignorance continues to spew bad information about it...



[Edited 1/15/2017 12:13:18 PM ]

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jitssbaby617
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So why did you say it shows he doesn't care about human beings?

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citylights01
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Quote from jitssbaby617: So why did you say it shows he doesn't care about human beings?

If they plan on repealing without replacing right now, then no, they don't care. They say they are replacing it, but have not given any details yet. Are they waiting to repeal until there are plans in place?

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maggievalleymtn
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So much of this is wrong, I had to just stop reading it. No one said the ACA (Mitt Romney) plan is perfect...the Dems' intent was to get the kinks out of it. Any new program goes through these growing pains. The US is the only major country without healthcare for all.

So Louie, you don't give a rat's a** that millions may be losing their health insurance and thousands of unnecessary deaths will occur yearly if this happens, but do you care that YOUR health insurance...MEDICARE may be costing you more and the Republicans are gradually trying to dismantle it? (That's one social program you have really enjoyed for about 10 years, right?) The Devil's party is hard at work...

Excerpt from Huffpost:

"Republican politicians understand how popular Social Security and Medicare are. Yet they desperately want to destroy the programs, which put the lie to their anti-government agenda by illustrating clearly that there are some tasks that government does much better then the private sector.

The solution? Cut and radically transform Social Security and Medicare, but do it in a manner that avoids political accountability. Using changes in the arcane rules of the budget to force through subsequent cuts fits that bill perfectly. By the time the American people realize what’s happening, the rules that usher in the changes are in the past, and those voting for the cuts can claim that they have no choice, for budgetary reasons."




Quote from louie6332:
City, as you know, we had health care before the ACA was passed. What will ACA, which is anything but affordable (Democrats are always labeling bills the exact opposite of what they are in order to get them passes), be replaced with, you ask?

Wellwhat was in the ACA when you are trying to ram it down our throats, you famously said: “You’ll have to pass it first to find out what’s in it”. Remember that? But we were assured that “if you like your insurance, you can keep your insurance, and if you like your doctor you can keep your doctor”, but that was not in there, that was a bold faced lie just to get it passed, and Obama later admitted that it was a lie. It’s authors later revealed that ACA was meant to fail, that failure was written into it, that it was only the first step towards a so-called “one payer health care”, that is, towards Government monopoly health care, which outlaws private health care and gives the Government a total monopoly on health care. Which, by the way, is not one of the powers that the Constitution reserves to the Federal Government, and which, therefore is unconstitutional. And now, after slapping the American people in the face with ACA without us even knowing what was in it, you are wanting to know what it will be replaced with before legislative action can even be discussed. I have an idea, why not replace it with what we have before the ACA destroyed affordable health care? What we had was far, far more affordable than ACA and, generally speaking, much better insurance.

Government monopoly health care has not worked out in the UK, the other day, they had to declare a health emergency because the system was so broken down.

Nuffan, you make a good point about why states forbad buying insurance across state lines. It’s a shame, however, when States have to take such measures to keep the Federal Government from unconstitutionally interfering with States rights. Of course, as we have seen with the ACA and other actions, it hasn’t worked, for the Federal Government is Hell bent on interfering with State and individual rights whether the States like it to not.

Louie


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jitssbaby617
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Ohhh so you think he's going let people go with out health insurance for years interesting you believe that.. do you have any mental issues?

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condor_0000
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Quote from jitssbaby617:
Ohhh so you think he's going let people go with out health insurance for years interesting you believe that.. do you have any mental issues?


Obamacare was a Republican concept. It was first imagined by Newt Gingrich and the Heritage Foundation. What has Republicans outraged is that Obamacare doesn't rape the American people nearly as aggressively as they had intended.

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louie6332
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Not one single Republican congressman voted for ObamaCare, it was strictly an Obama Democrat creation. No one was even allow to read it until after it was passed, and then only certain people were allowed to read it. Obama wanted a single payer system (Government monopoly system), but not even the Democrats would support that, so ObamaCare was a stepping stone to it. It was meant to fail, with a single payer system having to take its place. But that plan is gone now that Trump is elected. Socialist medicine is a disaster. The socialist health system in the UK has now been officially declared a health disaster.

Louie

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mysinglelife2
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Quote from cafe_express:
City, if you are going to make a statement like that, please research what is going to be done in place of it and make an argument about the replacement.

NO ONE is going to be without coverage.
NO ONE is going to have the rug pulled out from under them


Existing diagnosis will still be covered, offspring up to 26 will still be covered under the parents plan.

Under this AHC, a friend of mine was removed from the kidney transplant list, essentially giving her a preventable death sentence.

Health care Premiums and deductibles have risen, choices have fallen to only 1 in some states.

What WILL happen;
There will be a transition period of a few years. In the interim the law will allow us to now buy insurance across state lines stopping the monopoly that now exists, where people only have ONE choice under the AHC due to the poor planning of this health care plan.

A competitive market as with anything will drive DOWN the prices for premiums, lower deductibles and increase better coverage if they want to stay in business in this country.



What are you talking about? They are trying to repeal existing health conditions and the 26 years and younger for parents health coverage.

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nuffan
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Quote from louie6332:
Not one single Republican congressman voted for ObamaCare, it was strictly an Obama Democrat creation. No one was even allow to read it until after it was passed, and then only certain people were allowed to read it. Obama wanted a single payer system (Government monopoly system), but not even the Democrats would support that, so ObamaCare was a stepping stone to it. It was meant to fail, with a single payer system having to take its place. But that plan is gone now that Trump is elected. Socialist medicine is a disaster. The socialist health system in the UK has now been officially declared a health disaster.

Louie



Socialized Medicine would be Government run hospitals...like the VA...


Single payer is not for profit insurance paid for by a regulated tax. That pays private for profit doctors and hospitals...

Damn you are ignorant...just because you want to believe it does not make it so...lol

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michael061
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I am sorry Louie, but I expect Trump to support a single payer system that insures everyone from the cradle to the grave. (And taxes all of us to do that.)

But don't be too upset over this.

First off, the Republicans, as well as Donald Trump, will do this in a far more rational way than the Democrats would do it.

Cost savings will be studied, and implemented when possible. Class Action Suits will be severely limited. (The days of the Lawyer getting a hundred million dollars, and each of his clients getting five dollars off on their next visit to the offending Doctor, are gone.)

The plan is to pass a law getting rid of Obamacare,,, but that will not be done, until the Congress can come up with a far better plan to replace it with.

That should put the Democrats in the mood to try to work with Trump and the Republicans to come up with a Health Plan that works for everyone,,, not just the welfare bunch.

Quote from louie6332:
Not one single Republican congressman voted for ObamaCare, it was strictly an Obama Democrat creation. No one was even allow to read it until after it was passed, and then only certain people were allowed to read it. Obama wanted a single payer system (Government monopoly system), but not even the Democrats would support that, so ObamaCare was a stepping stone to it. It was meant to fail, with a single payer system having to take its place. But that plan is gone now that Trump is elected. Socialist medicine is a disaster. The socialist health system in the UK has now been officially declared a health disaster.

Louie


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maggievalleymtn
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Quote from louie6332:
Not one single Republican congressman voted for ObamaCare, it was strictly an Obama Democrat creation. No one was even allow to read it until after it was passed, and then only certain people were allowed to read it. Obama wanted a single payer system (Government monopoly system), but not even the Democrats would support that, so ObamaCare was a stepping stone to it. It was meant to fail, with a single payer system having to take its place. But that plan is gone now that Trump is elected. Socialist medicine is a disaster. The socialist health system in the UK has now been officially declared a health disaster.

Louie



Your Medicare is socialistic medicine. Is that a disaster? Do you want to get rid of it?

You mentioned no Republicans voted for Obamacare. What have they voted for that Obama wanted? Didn't they make a pledge to block/obstruct every single thing Obama wanted!



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TIME just published “The Party of No,” an article adapted from my new book, The New New Deal: The Hidden Story of Change in the Obama Era. It reveals some of my reporting on the Republican plot to obstruct President Obama before he even took office, including secret meetings led by House GOP whip Eric Cantor (in December 2008) and Senate minority leader Mitch McConnell (in early January 2009) in which they laid out their daring (though cynical and political) no-honeymoon strategy of all-out resistance to a popular President-elect during an economic emergency. “If he was for it,” former Ohio Senator George Voinovich explained, “we had to be against it.” The excerpt includes a special bonus nugget of Mitt Romney dissing the Tea Party.

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muldoon1959
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Quote from maggievalleymtn:
Your Medicare is socialistic medicine. Is that a disaster? Do you want to get rid of it?

You mentioned no Republicans voted for Obamacare. What have they voted for that Obama wanted? Didn't they make a pledge to block/obstruct every single thing Obama wanted!





Republicans filibustered their own bills because
they found out Obama liked the idea.

They were afraid that if their bills passed and
were successful, it would make Obama look good,
so they killed them.


Party first country last.

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nuffan
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Quote from maggievalleymtn:
Your Medicare is socialistic medicine. Is that a disaster? Do you want to get rid of it?

You mentioned no Republicans voted for Obamacare. What have they voted for that Obama wanted? Didn't they make a pledge to block/obstruct every single thing Obama wanted!



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TIME just published “The Party of No,” an article adapted from my new book, The New New Deal: The Hidden Story of Change in the Obama Era. It reveals some of my reporting on the Republican plot to obstruct President Obama before he even took office, including secret meetings led by House GOP whip Eric Cantor (in December 2008) and Senate minority leader Mitch McConnell (in early January 2009) in which they laid out their daring (though cynical and political) no-honeymoon strategy of all-out resistance to a popular President-elect during an economic emergency. “If he was for it,” former Ohio Senator George Voinovich explained, “we had to be against it.” The excerpt includes a special bonus nugget of Mitt Romney dissing the Tea Party.



Medicare is SINGLE PAYER...Not Socialized Medicine...

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maggievalleymtn
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True...my mistake^^^

Other terms used to describe types of single payer, or single payer-like systems, include: public option, universal health care, national health care, and Medicare-for-all.


Louie, no word from you about how you feel about your Medicare? (Single payer...government monopoly) OK for you, but to hell with others who have pre-existing conditions?

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nuffan
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Quote from maggievalleymtn:
True...my mistake^^^

Other terms used to describe types of single payer, or single payer-like systems, include: public option, universal health care, national health care, and Medicare-for-all.


Louie, no word from you about how you feel about your Medicare? (Single payer...government monopoly) OK for you, but to hell with others who have pre-existing conditions?



Wrong again...


Universal Healthcare replaces for profit doctors and hospitals...

National Healthcare implies the same take over from for profit care...

public option is misleading as no one is going to pay for a private option when they have to pay for the public option...and so called public option only works if we all pay into it...

Medicare for all works as it actually describes a single payer system that does not socialize medicine...



[Edited 1/15/2017 3:51:26 PM ]

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clarity101
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Quote from michael061:
I am sorry Louie, but I expect Trump to support a single payer system that insures everyone from the cradle to the grave. (And taxes all of us to do that.)

But don't be too upset over this.

First off, the Republicans, as well as Donald Trump, will do this in a far more rational way than the Democrats would do it.

Cost savings will be studied, and implemented when possible. Class Action Suits will be severely limited. (The days of the Lawyer getting a hundred million dollars, and each of his clients getting five dollars off on their next visit to the offending Doctor, are gone.)

The plan is to pass a law getting rid of Obamacare,,, but that will not be done, until the Congress can come up with a far better plan to replace it with.

That should put the Democrats in the mood to try to work with Trump and the Republicans to come up with a Health Plan that works for everyone,,, not just the welfare bunch.

Quote from louie6332:
Not one single Republican congressman voted for ObamaCare, it was strictly an Obama Democrat creation. No one was even allow to read it until after it was passed, and then only certain people were allowed to read it. Obama wanted a single payer system (Government monopoly system), but not even the Democrats would support that, so ObamaCare was a stepping stone to it. It was meant to fail, with a single payer system having to take its place. But that plan is gone now that Trump is elected. Socialist medicine is a disaster. The socialist health system in the UK has now been officially declared a health disaster.

Louie



i agree with you mikey!
singlepayer is and has been the ultimate goal for a very long time on both sides of
the isle.

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sillylaugher61
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Quote from michael061:
I am sorry Louie, but I expect Trump to support a single payer system that insures everyone from the cradle to the grave. (And taxes all of us to do that.)

But don't be too upset over this.

First off, the Republicans, as well as Donald Trump, will do this in a far more rational way than the Democrats would do it.

Cost savings will be studied, and implemented when possible. Class Action Suits will be severely limited. (The days of the Lawyer getting a hundred million dollars, and each of his clients getting five dollars off on their next visit to the offending Doctor, are gone.)

The plan is to pass a law getting rid of Obamacare,,, but that will not be done, until the Congress can come up with a far better plan to replace it with.

That should put the Democrats in the mood to try to work with Trump and the Republicans to come up with a Health Plan that works for everyone,,, not just the welfare bunch.

Quote from louie6332:
Not one single Republican congressman voted for ObamaCare, it was strictly an Obama Democrat creation. No one was even allow to read it until after it was passed, and then only certain people were allowed to read it. Obama wanted a single payer system (Government monopoly system), but not even the Democrats would support that, so ObamaCare was a stepping stone to it. It was meant to fail, with a single payer system having to take its place. But that plan is gone now that Trump is elected. Socialist medicine is a disaster. The socialist health system in the UK has now been officially declared a health disaster.

Louie


If you had bothered to read Trumps book Crippled America, you would know that Trump is against single payer.

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maggievalleymtn
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You'll have to take that up with the sources who wrote the articles....I'm seeing single payer called different names. I'm far more interested in hearing what Louie has to say about participating in the Medicare Social Program than your petty nitpicking. Go and bore someone else.

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clarity101
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Quote from citylights01:
gop.com? Really? Can you provide another source? One that is not the RNC?



seriously???

you want to know what the gop plan is re:obummercare but you are too scared to go onto
a gop website that has alot of the info???

what are you afraid of now? is there no 'safe' place for you to go while you read?

remember it is the lieinglooneyleftyliberalsocialistprogressivedimdumdems who post
fake news

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nuffan
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Quote from maggievalleymtn:
You'll have to take that up with the sources who wrote the articles....I'm seeing single payer called different names. I'm far more interested in hearing what Louie has to say about participating in the Medicare Social Program than your petty nitpicking. Go and bore someone else.



It is not nit picking...

If more people truly understood what single payer really was it might get implemented...

being ignorant and sustaining the myth it is in any way socialized medicine only works against it ever getting fixed...

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beanhammer
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Could you imagine the b*tching
And moaning if trump issued single payer.
The left would be so against it

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clarity101
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FOOD STAMP HOUSEHOLDS TOP PURCHASE IS SODA, ACCORDING TO USDA
JANUARY 15, 2017


The U.S. Department of Agriculture recently released a report showing alarming rates of soda purchases among families receiving food stamps.

The findings show that the No. 1 purchases by SNAP households are soft drinks, which accounted for about 10 percent of the dollars they spent on food.

Professor Marion Nestle was shocked at the findings, and connected the dots between the money for food stamps and the soda industry.

“In this sense, SNAP is a multi-billion ­dollar taxpayer subsidy of the soda industry.”

When it comes down to it, the soda industry has been involved in stopping restrictions on use of food stamps for their products.

PepsiCo lobbied the federal government to prevent restrictions on food stamp
purchases in 2011, 2012 and 2013, according to the Center for Responsive Politics, a nonprofit that tracks money in politics. Coca­Cola, Kraft Foods and the sugar industry lobbied against a Florida bill in 2012 that would have banned using food stamps to buy soda and junk food.


Public health professionals are concerned, and doubt whether tax dollars should be going to fund the sugary drinks. Dr. David Ludwig spoke on the issue.


“We have more evidence for the harms of sugary beverages than for any other
category of food,” he said, “and yet it tops the list of reimbursed products in SNAP.”

Dr. Ludwig wanted to be clear that this wasn’t an insult to those on food stamps.

“No one is suggesting poor people can’t choose what they want to eat,” he said. “But we’re saying let’s not use government benefits to pay for foods that are demonstrably going to undermine public health.”

How much soda does 10% of your budget buy you? Quite a bit when you get enough SNAP benefits.

The average household receives about $256 in monthly benefits. That means a household that spent 10 percent of its SNAP money on soda could buy at least 20 two­ liter bottles of orange Crush soda at a Fine Fare supermarket in New York City,or about 50 cans of Sprite at a Walmart in Oakland, California

Other than soda, the report showed SNAP households spending an incredible amount on junk food in general.

20 cents of each dollar was spent on a broad category of junk foods that included “sweetened beverages, desserts, salty snacks, candy and sugar.”


but of course many ebt users buy the most unhealthy foods which then leads to
all kinds of health issues which then we also subsidize


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clarity101
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Quote from beanhammer:
Could you imagine the b*tching
And moaning if trump issued single payer.
The left would be so against it



they will be rolling out single payer....
esp. when the dimdumdems, who have covered for obummers lies, jump on board the
healthcare repair train.


remember those 'death panels' sarah palin warned about many years ago?

Bipartisan Opposition To Obama Limiting Access To Life-Saving Drugs For Seniors
OBAMACARE REGULATIONS AND RULES - May 6, 2016

The Obama Administration Has Rolled Out A Proposed Rule Change That Will Limit Medicare Doctors' Use Of Prescription Drugs By Reducing Payments

The Obama Administration Rolled Out A Change To Medicare Aimed At Reducing The Fees Paid To Doctors For Administering Expensive Drugs. "Specialty physicians and other health-care providers have launched efforts to derail a federal proposal to test whether paying doctors less for drugs administered under a Medicare program reduces spending, one day after the Obama administration released the plan. The administration says the proposal will help patients and won't deny anyone access to drugs. But the reaction Wednesday suggested a major fight ahead, as specialty doctors, drug-industry groups and Republican lawmakers described the plan as ill-conceived." (Stephanie Armour, "Health-Care Providers Aim To Fight Medicare Drug Plan," The Wall Street Journal, 3/9/16)

The Rule Would Tie Payments To Doctors Based On The Drug's Effectiveness. "Concerns also are surfacing about a second stage of the proposal that would test alternative payments for drugs, including payments based on a treatment's effectiveness. For example, CMS suggested the use of reports from a nonprofit group, the Institute for Clinical and Economic Review, known as ICER." (Stephanie Armour, "Lawmakers Criticize Medicare Plan For Costly Drugs," The Wall Street Journal, 5/5/16)

CMS Would Determine The Doctors' Payments For Certain Drugs Based Off Of Reports Provided By Non-Profit Groups, Like The Institute For Clinical And Economic Review, Detailing The Cost-Effectiveness Of The Drugs. "For example, CMS suggested the use of reports from a nonprofit group, the Institute for Clinical and Economic Review, known as ICER. Those reports analyze the cost-effectiveness of drugs, and some incorporate a metric known as Quality-Adjusted Life Year, or QALY, which quantifies the health benefit and quality of life derived from a particular treatment. The findings have been used by some insurers in coverage and reimbursement decisions." (Stephanie Armour, "Lawmakers Criticize Medicare Plan For Costly Drugs," The Wall Street Journal, 5/5/16)

Some Of These Reports Use A Quality-Adjusted Life Year Metric Which Values The Individual Patient's Quality If Life When Determining The Cost-Effectiveness Of An Expensive Drug . "Those reports analyze the cost-effectiveness of drugs, and some incorporate a metric known as Quality-Adjusted Life Year, or QALY, which quantifies the health benefit and quality of life derived from a particular treatment. The findings have been used by some insurers in coverage and reimbursement decisions." (Stephanie Armour, "Lawmakers Criticize Medicare Plan For Costly Drugs," The Wall Street Journal, 5/5/16)
Republicans And Democrats Have Slammed The Proposed Rule, Saying It Will Limit Seniors' Access To Life Savings Drugs

Tricia Neuman, A Senior Vice President At The Kaiser Family Foundation On Opposition To The Rule: "This Seems To Be An All-Out War." "'They may have underestimated the strength and power of the opposition to the changes,' said Tricia Neuman, a senior vice president at the Kaiser Family Foundation. 'This seems to be an all-out war, so it's hard to know how it will play out.'" (Stephanie Armour, "Lawmakers Criticize Medicare Plan For Costly Drugs," The Wall Street Journal, 5/5/16)

Senate Finance Chairman Orrin Hatch Said The Proposal Would Limit Access To Medications For Seniors . "The proposal would limit access to some medications, said Senate finance panel Republicans, led by Chairman Orrin Hatch (R., Utah), in an April 28 letter to CMS. "We urge you to withdraw the proposed rule immediately as it would severely disrupt care for vulnerable beneficiaries," the letter said." (Stephanie Armour, "Lawmakers Criticize Medicare Plan For Costly Drugs," The Wall Street Journal, 5/5/16)

"Dozens Of House Republicans Are Demanding The Proposal Be Withdrawn…" Dozens of House Republicans are demanding the proposal be withdrawn, and Democrats on the Senate Finance Committee are raising concerns with the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, which administers the program. The pushback is growing in advance of a May 9 deadline for public comments." (Stephanie Armour, "Lawmakers Criticize Medicare Plan For Costly Drugs," The Wall Street Journal, 5/5/16)
Democrats On The Senate Finance Committee Also Expressed Concern With The Rule. "Democrats on the committee, including Sen. Ron Wyden of Oregon, said in an April 27 letter that 'we have heard numerous concerns from patients, providers, and other stakeholders.' They called for precautions such as real-time monitoring of any barriers to drug access." (Stephanie Armour, "Lawmakers Criticize Medicare Plan For Costly Drugs," The Wall Street Journal, 5/5/16)

Former Democratic Congressman Dan Maffei, Who Voted For Obamacare, Slammed The Rule In A "US News & World Report" Op-Ed

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clarity101
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Admitting That He Voted For Obamacare In 2010, Former Democratic Congressman Dan Maffei (D-NY) Accused The Administration Of Rationing Health Care When It Comes To Prescription Drugs. "The Affordable Care Act recently passed its sixth birthday, and while voting for it contributed to my 2010 loss, I could not be prouder to see it increase access to care and patient choice while lowering overall costs. Before the health care law, insurance company bureaucrats, rather than doctors and patients, made too many health care decisions. Thanks to the law, insurance coverage restrictions based on preexisting conditions have gone the way of the dodo bird. Yet, when it comes to prescription drugs, the health insurance industry has evolved a new way of rationing health care." (Dan Maffei, The New Health Care Rationing," US News & World Report , 5/5/16)

Maffei Describes How The Institute For Clinical And Economic Review Is "Becoming A De Facto Arbiter For The Nation's Medicine Chest." "How do payers justify these hurdles? One way is to strategically deploy allies in the health care nonprofit world to camouflage their decisions under the cloak of economic analysis. A key example is the Institute for Clinical and Economic Review, which recently began conducting analyses to determine whether a new drug's benefit is worth its cost. It has found most of the drugs it has reviewed to be too expensive, giving insurance companies and pharmacy benefit managers an excuse to restrict them. Ed Silverman, who writes 'The Pharmalot View" column for STAT said, the institute "is becoming a de facto arbiter for the nation's medicine chest.'" (Dan Maffei, The New Health Care Rationing," US News & World Report , 5/5/16)

The Institute For Clinical And Economic Review Has Deep Ties To The Insurance Industry And Cannot Be Trusted To Provide Objective Analyses Of A Drug's Cost-Effectiveness, According to Maffei. " While the institute claims independence, its funding tells a different story. The lion's share comes from health insurance companies and their trade associations, pharmacy benefit managers and their associated foundations. Foundations run by current and former insurance company executives are still vehicles for industry money. In 2013, the Blue Shield Foundation of California accounted for about two-thirds of the institute's total funding. The institute's ties to the insurance industry go deeper. Its president worked for the industry's Washington lobbying group, and its board is mainly current and former insurance company executives with a few advocacy groups represented. Board representation is guaranteed for the Blue Shield of California Foundation." (Dan Maffei, The New Health Care Rationing," US News & World Report , 5/5/16)

"Unless The Proposed Rule Can Be Stopped.. [It] Would Truly Be Flying In The Face Of The Affordable Care Act's Patient Protections." "The institute is clearly not independent or objective and yet the federal Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services released a proposed rule last month that says it's considering, among other things, adopting the institute's methods. That further confuses the public as to what The Institute for Clinical and Economic Review is and, unless the proposed rule can be stopped (public comments are due May 9), would truly be flying in the face of the Affordable Care Act's patient protections." (Dan Maffei, The New Health Care Rationing," US News & World Report , 5/5/16)

OBAMACARE OBAMACARE REGULATIONS AND RULES

https://gop.com/bipartisan-opposition-to-obama-limiting-access-to-life-saving-drugs-for-seniors/?

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shawnee_b
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And won against fake Hillary too. Good video, eye tooth ratio never changes your whole life.

That wasn't Hillary at the debate, no wonder they had to pass questions, her teleprompter.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYV0klJrUEw

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cafe_express
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Trump’s Campaign Manager, Kellyanne Conway, whose expertise is polling, saw this early on and devised her strategy of “6 pathways to the White House”. This meant ignoring California with its huge Democrat majority and going after the states that would give him the necessary electoral votes to win, FL, NC, MI, PA, OH, and WI.



At its lowest point since the civil war! Could this mean the end of the Democratic Party?



When the afternoon of January 20, 2017 arrives, the Republican Party will have:

1) The Presidency.

2) A majority of the House of Representatives.

3) A majority of the Senate.

4) Almost two-thirds of all the governors.

5) Total control of the statehouses in almost two-thirds of all the states.

6) And in the near future, Republicans will be able to add a majority of the Supreme Court.



The above has never happened before in American history.



Think about this and let it sink in for a moment.



And it's all because of one reason: Barack Obama forcing his extreme far-left agenda on an unwilling country by executive orders, left wing judges, and obsequious bureaucrats.

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sillylaugher61
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Quote from cafe_express:
Trump’s Campaign Manager, Kellyanne Conway, whose expertise is polling, saw this early on and devised her strategy of “6 pathways to the White House”. This meant ignoring California with its huge Democrat majority and going after the states that would give him the necessary electoral votes to win, FL, NC, MI, PA, OH, and WI.



At its lowest point since the civil war! Could this mean the end of the Democratic Party?



When the afternoon of January 20, 2017 arrives, the Republican Party will have:

1) The Presidency.

2) A majority of the House of Representatives.

3) A majority of the Senate.

4) Almost two-thirds of all the governors.

5) Total control of the statehouses in almost two-thirds of all the states.

6) And in the near future, Republicans will be able to add a majority of the Supreme Court.



The above has never happened before in American history.



Think about this and let it sink in for a moment.



And it's all because of one reason: Barack Obama forcing his extreme far-left agenda on an unwilling country by executive orders, left wing judges, and obsequious bureaucrats.


When digging a hole that is so deep that you can't get yourself out of, the first thing that you do is to stop digging the hole. But now the the DEMS are tossing aside the shovels and are now drilling their own hole deeper into the abyss.
The policy of Dems never change, just the faces.

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inventtis2
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Obama has bolt a strong Republican control of the government, that is the best thing he did for this country.

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cafe_express
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yes Silly,
Here are the facts:Trump won the popular vote in 31 states to Clinton’s 19 and DC. 62% to her 38%.
Trump led in the total popular vote for all states except California.

Hillary won California: 5,860,714 to Trump’s 3,151,821. 61.6% to 33.1%, exclusive of the other candidates. Thus California gave Hillary the popular vote for all states as claimed by the Democrats and their media stooges.

But deduct her California vote from her national vote leaving her with 54,978,783, and deduct Trump’s California vote from his national total, leaving him with 57,113.976, he wins in a landslide in the other 49 states, 51.3% to her 48.7%.

So, in effect, Hillary was elected president of California and Trump was elected president of the rest of the country, by a substantial margin.

This exemplifies the wisdom of the Electoral College, to prevent the votes of any one populace state from overriding the votes of the others.

With the demand that we do away with the Electoral College and take the popular vote being pushed by the media, etc., all Americans need to know that the Electoral College is working exactly as our Founding Fathers intended.


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louie6332
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Maggie, you ask me how I feel about my Medicare. “OK for you,”, you say, “but to hell with others who have pre-existing conditions?”

Well, geeze, where do I begin? You could write a book on this subject, there are a lot of facets to it. But I will hit a few of the high points.

1) First of all, despite the shortcomings of Medicare, I prefer it to Obamacare--and that’s the understatement of the century. In fact, if there were only Obamacare, I would not touch it with a ten foot pole, it is a total ripoff and deliberately designed to fail right out of the gate, and is intended to give the Federal Government control over your health care, force your insurance to cover the cost of the brutal murder of infants, the murder of old people who are deemed to no longer be useful to society, and to cover young Black hoodlums instead who are shooting one another up on the streets, and I will have absolutely no part of that. My answer to that is not only NO, but HELL NO! Furthermore, the Federal Government has no Constitutional right to tell me I HAVE to buy health insurance. I am resentful enough of the Federal Government unconstitutionally seizing control of the Medical Establishment and going into partnership with it to tolerate ObamaCare.

2) I use Medicare Part B and a Blue Cross supplement that covers all expenses Medicare does not cover, including deductibles. So I have no out of pocket medical costs except for these the cost of these two policies, and they are fairly reasonable, considering the high cost of medical insurance today.

3) I do not, and will not, and do not recommend, Medicare Part D, which covers medicines. I do not use prescription medicines, they are way overpriced, treat symptoms rather than causes, and have bad side effects, which themselves have to be treated. In fact, you are taking your life in your hands when you use them, and the same is true for many approved over the counter medicines. I take my health care in my own hands. Instead, I use herbal and alternative remedies that treat causes and actually cure maladies, they are quite reasonable in cost and have few if any harmful side effects. And that’s the only way to go. I also avoid the poisons the Government and artificial food industry puts in drinking water, soft drinks, processed canned food, and, as already noted, in medicines. And this has served me well. Of course if I were in an accident or got shot or whatever, I would need a surgeon. For medical advice, I can go directly to the Internet, to homeopathic doctors and homeopathic dentists (doctors that use natural and alternative remedies in addition to conventional medicine, and they are highly successful in their practices), and to my own collection of data on alternative and natural remedies, and to my store of alternative and natural remedies (some of which I buy in bulk), that I have accumulated over the last fifteen years. And this has served me well. And it is relatively inexpensive.

4) If I were younger and had no choice but to buy medical insurance, I would buy ShareCare, a Christian health CoOp (I guess is how you would describe it) in which Christians pool their money and cover each other’s medical costs as they arise. Unlike commercial ObamaCare insurance companies, it works and is not going bankrupt or anything like that, and is recognized by the Federal Government.

ObamaCare is now on its death bed, and I advise everyone to stay away from it. It is essentially little more than a transfer of wealth to those who do not have insurance. And yes, as already noted here, the Federal Government is now also messing up medicare with a barrage of new Federal rules. Because of this, many doctors are now refusing to see ObamaCare patients and even new Medicare patients, and many are leaving the medical profession in disgust. Too many silly rules and reams of paperwork, and the Federal Government is not wanting to pay them the going charge for services. THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS KILLING THE MEDICAL ESTABLISHMENT EVEN AS I WRITE.

5) I lived without medical insurance when I was younger. I am very frugal and considered insurance to be outrageously expensive (I will come back and comment on medical insurance later and how it itself has driven up the cost of medical care). On those rare occasions when I saw a doctor, I paid the doctor and medical cost myself out of pocket.

6) When I learned of herbal and alternative remedies, I turned to them, and they have served me well, very well. And I have even successfully advised others on how to treat their injuries and diseases, curing colds, warts, bronchitis, whooping cough, chem trail flu, cellulitis, injuries and cuts, even cancer (three cases of cancer successfully cured). I get phone calls asking for money to buy a teddy bear to comport some little kid dying of cancer in the hospital or whatever, and I stop them in mid sentence and tell them the little kid doesn’t have to die, that there are herbal and alternative cures for cancer and to give the parents my phone number (which they already have since they called me) and I will tell them how to cure it, but they never do, they are just interested in the money. So a lot of people die unnecessarily from cancer who don’t have to. They have developed the attitude that “doctor knows best”. It’s a shame. We need to write that on a lot of tomb stones in the cemetery: “Her doctor knew best”.

Well, I am out of time for now, I will come back later when I have the time and give a brief overview of the medical establishment in the US and how it went to Hell in a hand basket when the drug companies and the Federal Government became involved in it beginning about the beginning of the twentieth century. And their involvement in it is all unconstitutional. The only thing I want from the Federal Government is for them to stay the hell out of my life.

Louie

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cafe_express
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Mobile, AL
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Louie, I am also one to use herbal remedies, and take no medicaitons. However, I am perplexed about the cure for cancer. With all the money that Patrick Swayze had and Michael Landon for example, why they went all over the world for a cure, could not find one? I know pancreatic cancer is a death sentence due to the fact that the pancreas is so well hidden that by the time they find it, it is "too late?"

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maggievalleymtn
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North Myrtle Beach, SC
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To cut the chase, you believe in your social Medicare program, but not a social healthcare program for anyone under 65? You're taken care of and that's what is important? Very Christian (not) if that is your belief. Do you think you are the only person who practices preventative health care? Some folks aren't blessed as we are and get very sick even after living a healthy life. My dad, a veterinarian, never smoked or drank. Mama watched his diet. He had heart problems and Parkinson's. They had great insurance, but I'm sure they would have been hurt with those bills if not for insurance.


Quote from louie6332:
Maggie, you ask me how I feel about my Medicare. “OK for you,”, you say, “but to hell with others who have pre-existing conditions?”

Well, geeze, where do I begin? You could write a book on this subject, there are a lot of facets to it. But I will hit a few of the high points.

1) First of all, despite the shortcomings of Medicare, I prefer it to Obamacare--and that’s the understatement of the century. In fact, if there were only Obamacare, I would not touch it with a ten foot pole, it is a total ripoff and deliberately designed to fail right out of the gate, and is intended to give the Federal Government control over your health care, force your insurance to cover the cost of the brutal murder of infants, the murder of old people who are deemed to no longer be useful to society, and to cover young Black hoodlums instead who are shooting one another up on the streets, and I will have absolutely no part of that. My answer to that is not only NO, but HELL NO! Furthermore, the Federal Government has no Constitutional right to tell me I HAVE to buy health insurance. I am resentful enough of the Federal Government unconstitutionally seizing control of the Medical Establishment and going into partnership with it to tolerate ObamaCare.

2) I use Medicare Part B and a Blue Cross supplement that covers all expenses Medicare does not cover, including deductibles. So I have no out of pocket medical costs except for these the cost of these two policies, and they are fairly reasonable, considering the high cost of medical insurance today.

3) I do not, and will not, and do not recommend, Medicare Part D, which covers medicines. I do not use prescription medicines, they are way overpriced, treat symptoms rather than causes, and have bad side effects, which themselves have to be treated. In fact, you are taking your life in your hands when you use them, and the same is true for many approved over the counter medicines. I take my health care in my own hands. Instead, I use herbal and alternative remedies that treat causes and actually cure maladies, they are quite reasonable in cost and have few if any harmful side effects. And that’s the only way to go. I also avoid the poisons the Government and artificial food industry puts in drinking water, soft drinks, processed canned food, and, as already noted, in medicines. And this has served me well. Of course if I were in an accident or got shot or whatever, I would need a surgeon. For medical advice, I can go directly to the Internet, to homeopathic doctors and homeopathic dentists (doctors that use natural and alternative remedies in addition to conventional medicine, and they are highly successful in their practices), and to my own collection of data on alternative and natural remedies, and to my store of alternative and natural remedies (some of which I buy in bulk), that I have accumulated over the last fifteen years. And this has served me well. And it is relatively inexpensive.

4) If I were younger and had no choice but to buy medical insurance, I would buy ShareCare, a Christian health CoOp (I guess is how you would describe it) in which Christians pool their money and cover each other’s medical costs as they arise. Unlike commercial ObamaCare insurance companies, it works and is not going bankrupt or anything like that, and is recognized by the Federal Government.

ObamaCare is now on its death bed, and I advise everyone to stay away from it. It is essentially little more than a transfer of wealth to those who do not have insurance. And yes, as already noted here, the Federal Government is now also messing up medicare with a barrage of new Federal rules. Because of this, many doctors are now refusing to see ObamaCare patients and even new Medicare patients, and many are leaving the medical profession in disgust. Too many silly rules and reams of paperwork, and the Federal Government is not wanting to pay them the going charge for services. THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS KILLING THE MEDICAL ESTABLISHMENT EVEN AS I WRITE.

5) I lived without medical insurance when I was younger. I am very frugal and considered insurance to be outrageously expensive (I will come back and comment on medical insurance later and how it itself has driven up the cost of medical care). On those rare occasions when I saw a doctor, I paid the doctor and medical cost myself out of pocket.

6) When I learned of herbal and alternative remedies, I turned to them, and they have served me well, very well. And I have even successfully advised others on how to treat their injuries and diseases, curing colds, warts, bronchitis, whooping cough, chem trail flu, cellulitis, injuries and cuts, even cancer (three cases of cancer successfully cured). I get phone calls asking for money to buy a teddy bear to comport some little kid dying of cancer in the hospital or whatever, and I stop them in mid sentence and tell them the little kid doesn’t have to die, that there are herbal and alternative cures for cancer and to give the parents my phone number (which they already have since they called me) and I will tell them how to cure it, but they never do, they are just interested in the money. So a lot of people die unnecessarily from cancer who don’t have to. They have developed the attitude that “doctor knows best”. It’s a shame. We need to write that on a lot of tomb stones in the cemetery: “Her doctor knew best”.

Well, I am out of time for now, I will come back later when I have the time and give a brief overview of the medical establishment in the US and how it went to Hell in a hand basket when the drug companies and the Federal Government became involved in it beginning about the beginning of the twentieth century. And their involvement in it is all unconstitutional. The only thing I want from the Federal Government is for them to stay the hell out of my life.

Louie


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nuffan
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Kennesaw, GA
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Quote from louie6332:
First of all, despite the shortcomings of Medicare, I prefer it to Obamacare--Louie




Imagine a right winger who prefers single payer to the ACA...

Everyone would prefer single payer to the ACA...and if not for the right wing we would have single payer...



[Edited 1/16/2017 8:51:27 AM ]

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maggievalleymtn
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North Myrtle Beach, SC
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