People who have gone to heaven and hell and came back 151

1/10/2008 11:40:21 AM	People who have gone to heaven and hell and came back
tat2big1 Crescent City, CA age: 34	Sorry to tell you elise7, but no matter how many times you repeat that nonsense, you still can't brainwash the true thinkers. Why don't you think for yourself for a change rather than having people tell you lies and simply repeating them? How gullible are you? It is like the christians wanting everyone to believe that the earth is flat, when science has proved that to be a myth! Science supercedes religion, but the religious fanatics want to stay in the past traditions of legends and fantasy.
1/10/2008 12:05:06 PM	People who have gone to heaven and hell and came back
stormbay Tasmania Australia age: 62	For once, what is your belief about God? If you do believe in God, then i hope that this thread will answer some of your quesion. You haven't actually for once, discussed the importance of God in your life from what I read in your responses. Ask God if He really does exist, that He would show Himself to you. I know He already did to me. I don't believe in god, how can you believe in something so fanciful when you study it's history and find nothing but lies relating to it's veracity and clear irrefutable evidence regarding the ongoing slaughter carried out in gods name around the world, proven with statistics, verifiable written facts, and archaeological and chronological evidence. I thought god was important in my life when young and gullible, but when I entered the priesthood and undertook the studies of the church I was a witness to the real church, I undertook to find out the truth. So I went to university and undertook a degree in cultural anthropology, finally ending up with a PhD in that subject. I only set out to find the truth and hopefully prove my belief, yet have found not one piece of evidence supporting anything people say about god, except for the barbarity of it's expression through it's followers, clearly documented throughout history. You cannot provide one verifiable piece of evidence supporting god has ever intervened to help anyone, nor has your god produced any evidence of being a loving peaceful god, all the evidence is the opposite. The charity work carried out by gods followers is to cover up the debauchery carried out by gods followers against their fellow humans, in a naïve attempt to give credibility to debauchery, slaughter, enslavement and every form of despotic practise implemented by gods followers. The history books of the world are filled with the barbaric and culturally destructive actions of gods and its followers The book you worship, is filled with every kind of slaughter there is and even some invented by your god in his vengeful wrath. Your own country is displaying godly signs of saying one thing and doing another, around the world and in their treatment of those they kidnap and render worldwide. Guantanamo bay is a lovely example of how one of gods country treats those it determines are going against what the god fearing USA wants. You've read one false lying book, I've read and studied the real historical facts. If you can provide evidence other than within your fanciful mind and without resorting to your programming, to prove anything you say, then go ahead.
1/10/2008 12:24:52 PM	People who have gone to heaven and hell and came back
rodlynn New Britain, CT age: 45	In Noah's day there were also many that were far too smart to believe in such nonsense However, none perished without the opportunity to learn and when the rain came they all believed, but it was too late. Mt 24:38,39 For as they were in those days before the flood, eating and drinking, men marrying and women being given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark; 39 and they took no note until the flood came and swept them all away, so the presence of the Son of man will be.
1/10/2008 1:05:43 PM	People who have gone to heaven and hell and came back
elise7 Calgary, AB age: 38	tat2big, if this is your opinion, i cannot argue with that. We all have preferences, i hope that it's not yet too late for you to respond to the saving knowledge of Jesus Christ. Life is so short, to argue about God. I have to move on and respond to other's questions. Like storm, you have a very stubborn and callous heart when it comes to God. I can't blame you, if that's how you were brought up in your family. You may wanna leave this thread and just let it die. I believe we will be able to survive without your slimy opinion. Goodbye, elise7
1/10/2008 1:12:59 PM	People who have gone to heaven and hell and came back
elise7 Calgary, AB age: 38	queen, this is how you approach this right? The thing is people don't want to hear the truth because it really does hurts. It hurts, because believing and living in lies about God for so long realizing that they are trash in God's sight. Especially when people bluntly say that all your beliefs came from satan not even from yourself. Hard to believe but truth hurts most of the time. elise7
1/10/2008 1:31:45 PM	People who have gone to heaven and hell and came back
elise7 Calgary, AB age: 38	storm, you have copied satan's approach to truth. Falsifying and masking the truth with your nonsense argument with no basis at all. I have the Bible as a proof, you have no proof even to consider. All you do is cite psychological, archeaological theories which is rather useless in this point of discussion. You are pinpointing a subject that is not even have hope to people to believe in. All you know is your theoretical knowledge which are boring and unappreciated. There is no life in them, zero, just a mere argument but it does nothing to people. It can't even offer life, only cold, callous heart to people who are willing to respond. Everytime, you answer a Scripture, you are always, pointing your argument to knowledge. Man, we don't need a human knowledge, we need God's knowledge to really understand the meaning of life. For you there are too many knowledge to learn but God's, right? As you respond with a very callous, rebellious, cold heart which is a sure sign of insecurity and doesn't know what he really wanted in life. The Bible says, Romans 9:19-22 Someone may ask, "How can God blame us, if he makes us behave in the way he wants us to?" But, my friend, I ask, "Who do you think you are to question God? Does the clay have the right to ask the potter why he shaped it the way he did? Doesn't a potter have the right to make a fancy bowl and a plain bowl our of the same lump of clay?" God wanted to show his anger and reveal his power against everyone who deserved to be destroyed. But instead, he patiently put up with them. God has that power, be really careful now. elise7
1/10/2008 3:06:57 PM	People who have gone to heaven and hell and came back
elise7 Calgary, AB age: 38	jewelz, My salvation is not base on their testimony, it's reaffiming my belief that I am in the right path towards God. That what Bill Weise said in his testimony as he witness the description of hell and how God doesn't want all people to come that place is an eye opener and really a big responsibility of all Christians to share the Good News of Hope that there is a way out of this hell and people doesn't have to go to hell who is _______ This is a correction from the one that i wrote recently ".........have to go to hell who Jesus Christ Should be ...........there is a way out of this hell and people doesn't have to go to hell. My apology. My typing is bad. elise7
1/10/2008 3:15:22 PM	People who have gone to heaven and hell and came back
stormbay Tasmania Australia age: 62	Everytime, you answer a Scripture, you are always, pointing your argument to knowledge. Man, we don't need a human knowledge, we need God's knowledge to really understand the meaning of life. For you there are too many knowledge to learn but God's, right? As you respond with a very callous, rebellious, cold heart which is a sure sign of insecurity and doesn't know what he really wanted in life. Well that just about sums up your life doesn't it, a true empty headed psychopath. Human knowledge gave you the computer you are using, it gave you the language you are using. Everything you use in your life, comes from human knowledge, it's just the evil deeds seen experienced and recorded worldwide which comes from your mythical god of war. It's easy to see unlike others, your god gave you the brain you use, which is as useful as an empty, shallow well of truth. So proven archaeology, is not necessary, nor it seems is written fact, nor the undeniable geological evidence. No just your bible, not the original text, nor the interlinear translations, carried out by theologians of the world, just yours. So your god are you, or gods messiah on earth, as you say you know more than all the learned people of the planet. You can't even quote it properly, I except you wrote it yourself being god, or some rabid preacher wrote it before he was charged with fraud, or sexual abuse. All you do is cite psychological, archeaological theories which is rather useless in this point of discussion. Psychology is what the god belief is about, it's not physical, but only within the minds of those obsessed, suffering from mental illness or genetic malfunction. Archaeology, is a physical viewable science, it's only those obsessed psychopaths who refuse to accept it's truth, unless it supports what they say. Sadly nothing has ever been proven regarding the bibles or what you say, except to verify the warmongering, destruction and ongoing genocide worldwide, being carried out in gods name. Naturally you have more knowledge than all the theologians, scientists and researchers around the world, as that's what your stating. By the way, “Romans 9:19-22” doesn't say that at all. Just like all your interpretations, you haven't got a clue and just push the faulty replay button which is the sum total of your minds capacity. Down here, we call them 'pin heads', as you can fit their knowledge on the head of a pin. But I doubt you come into the category, the head of a pin is much to large for your mental capacity. [Edited 1/10/2008 3:20:06 PM]
1/10/2008 3:15:25 PM	People who have gone to heaven and hell and came back
kingdavid2012 Fitchburg, MA age: 45	This is a funny post because if you know God's truth and your Bible you should know that there is no hell yet (lake of fire) and Heaven only has certain people in it right now and no one goes there until you are judged at the last day. This is so called magic illusion and is't untrue. Satan love's to play with your mind to get you not to read your Bible and study it.
1/10/2008 3:16:19 PM	People who have gone to heaven and hell and came back
elise7 Calgary, AB age: 38	striker, we all have our own hellish and heavenly experiences in life. Unkowingly, God was with us during those times. He's helping us to cope our life's experiences. If you found your heavenly abode, that is good. Bear in mind though, that they are temporary. People can destory it with or without your knowledge. In this forum, we are talking about people who in their death bed died and experienced and witness the heaven and hell. They were taken out of their body and actually saw what's heaven and hell's like. If you can visit www.spiritlessons.com wherein i volunteer as a cd burner (under Canada)to distribute to people for free. Yeah, i volunteer because i believe that it's so important for people to know that there is a place called heaven and hell. And people just don't want to believe that they do exists. That there is a way to heaven and there is a way out of hell who is Jesus Christ. Hope you will visit the site at your convenience. elise7
1/10/2008 3:24:23 PM	People who have gone to heaven and hell and came back
stormbay Tasmania Australia age: 62	If you can visit www.spiritlessons.com wherein i volunteer as a cd burner (under Canada)to distribute to people for free. Yeah, i volunteer because i believe that it's so important for people to know that there is a place called heaven and hell. And people just don't want to believe that they do exists. That there is a way to heaven and there is a way out of hell who is Jesus Christ. Hit the faulty replay button again I see
1/10/2008 3:26:30 PM	People who have gone to heaven and hell and came back
kingdavid2012 Fitchburg, MA age: 45	How can you see Heaven or Hell without being judged. The Bible warn's of such dullision's in the last day's that people will believe in spirt's or going to place's out of you body such as Heaven or Hell. It's all make believe. You go no where until you are judged and that doesn't happen until the last day. The dead are neither in Heaven or have to pay restitution as of yet. Scripture says I will come again on the last day to judge the living and the dead.
1/10/2008 3:28:01 PM	People who have gone to heaven and hell and came back
kingdavid2012 Fitchburg, MA age: 45	someone is selling you a book and your wasting your money.
1/10/2008 3:33:33 PM	People who have gone to heaven and hell and came back
elise7 Calgary, AB age: 38	storm, Just because you've discovered in your studies that church doesn't have a proof of God doesn't demean the effectiveness of the Bible itself and God. He is still God no matter what whether certain doctrines did not align with what your expectations are. God and Bible is not sujective to church doctrines or studies. It is independent on its own. When you found out in your studies that there is no evidence of God whatsoever, how did you deal with it? Did you just walk away and gave up in your pursuit to know about the church and God. Don't let false doctrines or church dogmas hinder you to search for the answer to your question and the truth. Even if you deny the existence of God, there will always be a living proof of His existence. You can live in your belief, still no one can force you to believe God even God Himself. Because we are created with a free will. If you choose to not to believe, then I believe i've done my part, and probably not accountable to your soul anymore. The reason I started this thread, is because i want people to know that God's wrath is at hand. And He will judge us fairly. Whether we belong to the sheep or goat. Bear in mind that God knows His sheep. He knows them by name. If you continously battle against God then, it's your soul who is losing here. Give up yourself and God and see what's He going to do in your life. Give Him a chance to prove His Sovereignty in your life. elise7
1/10/2008 3:41:45 PM	People who have gone to heaven and hell and came back
tat2big1 Crescent City, CA age: 34	elise7, you posted the following: ---------------------------------- storm, you have copied satan's approach to truth. God has that power, be really careful now. ========================================================================================= You sound like a wonderful, caring and loving lady, but have you ever seen god or satan yourself?

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