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Forums: Religion: People who have gone to heaven and hell and came back |
1/1/2008 1:32:04 PM |
People who have gone to heaven and hell and came back |
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tat2big1
Crescent City, CA
age: 34
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Very good topic although you are biased in your beliefs, but that's what makes us believe what we do. Which brings me to the question: Are these experiences unique to our culture? Are the perceptions of going to heaven or hell because of our Western/ Christian belief or is it universal? Do other cultures who don't believe in the Christian religion experience heaven or hell in near death experiences, i.e., NDEs. Or does our subconcious somehow play a part in it?
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1/1/2008 1:32:46 PM |
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stormbay
Tasmania
Australia
age: 62
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An incredible Testimony of Bill Wiese and his 23 minute trip to Hell. Bill was placed in Hell, not as a casual observer, but as someone who was not saved. He recounts all the horrid details with such precision that it captivates the listener from start to finish.
Don't you just love it when another delusionist fluffs their feathers and dribbles out more excreta. Good old Bill, you can't get more of a psychopathic nut case than than Bill Wiese.
People nowadays, don't feel remorse even when sinning, because its' natural for people to sin. But God allows this to happen, so we can turn to God and not to people for solution to the old isuue of sin.
It is not natural to sin, it's religious programming for the unevolved to give them a n excuse to carry out the debaucheries of the mythical god. Elise, I'd ask your quack to change your medication, it's certainly not helping your condition and while your at it, get a real life.
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1/1/2008 1:32:56 PM |
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queenofhearts61
Seymour, IN
age: 62
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I hear you Krupa, I have been to those places myself and did not have a savior come and save me.
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1/1/2008 1:35:24 PM |
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elise7
Calgary, AB
age: 38
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skunkbreath, i will just leave everyhting to God. He knows more than I do.
Ecclesiates says there is time to cry, to laugh, to reap, to sow. So I can say that in His time that people will surely realize their falleness.
And I will leave that to you as well.
I pray that God will bless your journey called life.
fyi, as far as i need a spellcheck too, i believe that you too need them as well. Just a reminder.
Maybe i alienated some people, not intentional though. It's just that I'm just surprised how people respond when we are talking about God - as if He is some sort of a joke - not taken seriously. And to know that God takes us seriously enough to die on the cross for His unfathomable love.
elise7
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1/1/2008 1:37:48 PM |
People who have gone to heaven and hell and came back |
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justmehowyab
Libertyville, IL
age: 49
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My mother had a compelling near death experience that left her assured that there was a heaven and that when she passed (and she did a year latter) she would be there.It's a beautiful reassurance for all of us family looking forward to seeing her again.
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1/1/2008 1:49:44 PM |
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elise7
Calgary, AB
age: 38
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I don't know exactly what do you mean by experiencing hell or heaven and came out alright. I am referring to people who have died, witness heaven and hell and came back changed and spending their time witnessing for the rest of their lives of what they saw. I don't know why God uses this people to take a glimplse of eternity, all i know is God is keeping His promises to those who will truly come to know Him. That God will have rewards to those people who sacrificially following His leading in their lives. Satan is a very sneaky creature, he will try to push us away from the truth of God's Word until we'r convinced that even God himself doesn't exist. It's entirely up to our decision if we will believe God or not. Our spiritual decisions in life will dictate our spiritual destiny. What can we ask for God, He promises peace, wisdom, unconditional love that no one can understand except God himself, heavenly rewards, and more. Bible is full of God's promises that we can rely on.
If you want you can visit this site: www.spiritlessons.com
I volunteer for cds burning for free taking any request all over the world, to witness and help out in the spreading of Gospel the Good News.
elise7
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1/1/2008 2:01:55 PM |
People who have gone to heaven and hell and came back |
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elise7
Calgary, AB
age: 38
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Queen, all that time, in your heavenly or hellish life experiences, God was with you that time. We just don't realize it. He will continue to pursue His unconditional love to us whether we like or not. It's just the way He is. We cannot argue His nature, a loving and a lovesick father who longs for our fellowship. Hard to believe but He is.
John 3:16 John clearly states, "For God so loved the world that He gave His only Son that whosoever believes in Him will not perish but have eternal life"
elise7
Just as God uses people like Joseph and Mary to fulfil the coming of our Saviour Jesus Christ, so is He continously use people to save mankind from the dangers of hell.
As Bill Weise in his testimony says, "there is no way out in hell, everything is chaos, filthy and regrests"
The only way out for this place is Jesus, So it's really crucial for us where our standing before our God is. Are we on God's side or the devil's side?
If you can check this website: www.spiritlessons.com for a complete testimony.
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1/1/2008 2:08:12 PM |
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stormbay
Tasmania
Australia
age: 62
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My mother had a compelling near death experience that left her assured that there was a heaven and that when she passed (and she did a year latter) she would be there.It's a beautiful reassurance for all of us family looking forward to seeing her again.
I've had two near death experiences and am a member of an group of more than 100 around Aus who have had the same experience. What they relate equates to my own experience, but all have personal aspects and understandings. We get those who claim they have them and are religious. But when you question them about it you always find, either they made it up, or didn't understand what was happening, it was the effects of the anaesthetics or drugs used, so assumed it was a religious experience. They usually leave when they realise no one is taking any notice of them. For me, it was the final nail in the coffin for religion and my break from the church as my experiences showed me an understanding which is credible, reasonable and possible from a scientific aspect. Do I believe it to be the truth, no, but I do see it as a real awakening to possibilities and new understandings of how we and our minds operate. I certainly can't prove what I experienced, nor would I and neither can the others I know. All of them don't preach about it, nor tell others it was real. It's taught me to see the religious for what they are, empty heads of delusion.
What can we ask for God, He promises peace, wisdom, unconditional love that no one can understand except God himself, heavenly rewards, and more. Bible is full of God's promises that we can rely on.
Your right the bible is full of gods promises, his vengeance, murder, genocide, slaughter and suppression, they are all god's promises, but not one bit of good has the world seen from god except within the minds of the unevolved..
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1/1/2008 2:16:10 PM |
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elise7
Calgary, AB
age: 38
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stormbay,
I don't know what kind of belief you have in your life. Arguments are healthy for people who has standards in their life. Don't drive people to ignore God and saying that they are dilussionists. Hebrews 9:27 says that, "It is destined for a man to die once and after that is judgement. Right now it's so obvious that you want to choose the "hard way" rather than God's way. This life is full of surprises and be surprise one day, God will deal with you. If you call this quacking, I will be glad to be used thru them. So people will be aware of their spiritual decisions. Don't be a hindrance for people who wants to know the meaning of life. If you want to live your way, do it with might, bear in mind that God has wonderful plan for you . And you will not regret it.
elise
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1/1/2008 2:16:35 PM |
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skunkbreath
Saint James, MO
age: 88
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elise, i did not mention spelling mistakes...i do not worry too much about them...i was just saying that your content was not really loving though you say it is....that type of love i call "slimy" love.....i and others do not care for your or your gods' "slimy" love..that is all...your misunderstanding of how people outside your cult think is not uncommon...i don't need your and your god's slimy love!..that is all.
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1/1/2008 2:20:47 PM |
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elise7
Calgary, AB
age: 38
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justmehow, thanks for stepping out.
We all need encouragement as we journed in this Christian life with God
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1/1/2008 2:27:23 PM |
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elise7
Calgary, AB
age: 38
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Skunkbreath, please speak for yourself. Others have their own spiritual accountabilities. Does it even occur to you why we still have the Bible and pastors keeps on preaching about them, that's because God is real and is truly exists. I cannot stress this enough. Why people keeps on testifying what they saw after their near death experiences, because God is love. And if you don't like the Good News about God then you already made a judgment for yourself.
elise7
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1/1/2008 2:37:01 PM |
People who have gone to heaven and hell and came back |
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elise7
Calgary, AB
age: 38
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tat2big,
I don't know the answer to your questions, one thing I know. I believe in the Bible and people who experiences NDE's doesn't even know why they were chosen to take a glimpse of eternity. And why is that, because God uses every means to reach out to people but we cannot understand God's ways because our mind are limited compare to His. We can play people but we cannot play God. He knows what's going to happen next seconds, minutes of our lives. It is easy for us to say that we are successful without God's help, we don't realize that He was there all the time. While He keeps on pursuing His love to us, we are busy running away from Him.
He will use vision, dreams, situations, pastors, people to fulfil His promises with or without our permission.
He is Sovereign and I am a firm believer of these.
You can visit www.spiritlessons.com for a complete story of testimony
Maybe there will be an answer for you here.
elise7
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1/1/2008 2:44:19 PM |
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stormbay
Tasmania
Australia
age: 62
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This life is full of surprises and be surprise one day, God will deal with you.
More empty threats from the unevolved, how about some verifiable evidence to support what you babble about.
Don't be a hindrance for people who wants to know the meaning of life.
The meaning of life is life, you can't find its meaning within books of fallacy which have created 3500 years of religious war, carried out by the varying factions of yahweh the god of war, each fighting each other to prove whose way of believing in the same god is right. Your belief is even stupid enough to want to fight within each faction, jews fighting jews, christians fighting christians, muslims fighting muslims. It gets even more bizarre when you gang up on one faction, the change sides and fight who you were supporting. Definitely the signs of sanity and caring people. Nothing like having a group of people believing the same thing, love and caring, yet constantly and violently fighting between each other every day, sure adds credibility to what your saying doesn't it? The meaning of life is the future and what it reveals realistically and verifiable, not in primitive delusion and fear.
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1/1/2008 3:07:09 PM |
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kellytoo
Moses Lake, WA
age: 57 online now!
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I perceive some are living in hell while on earth. It's a perception of mind and emotions.
Being an avid dream traveler, I once dreamed of walking into a wall of fog. The fog turned into a giant dark hole, a void. The void was similar to the one in the movie, What Dreams May Come. It was a pit of depression and total despair, a hell. I had to fight hard to climb back out of the void and vowed to never enter one of those again, via dream state.
And that is all I know about hell, not gonna go there again.
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