People who have gone to heaven and hell and came back 121

1/9/2008 11:25:45 AM	People who have gone to heaven and hell and came back
stormbay Tasmania Australia age: 62	Let other people hear other's insights. This is not only about you, it's all about people who are eager to learn from others and other's mistakes. Elise7 From what you write, you have no insight, just a primitive understanding of life. Your posts are contradicting in the extreme, you prattle on in nonsensical way and clearly don't know what your talking about.
1/9/2008 11:36:33 AM	People who have gone to heaven and hell and came back
skunkbreath Saint James, MO age: 88	elise!!!...my soulmate,,,the one who led me to salvation..shalom!!!! I feel a dilution in our reationship. The injection of other's between us is as an adulteration of our soulmate spiritual union. Being saved is difficult for a newbi, but to have the soulmate quickly turn away for other conquests, makes me feel, well, used... You did not answer my questions of great importance to me. And answers to which would help solidify my salvation... You know of all the temptations here, bl8- and others...... i don't want to fall off god's wagon of joy so soon after getting aboard... maybe i do not understand what this getting repented, saved by a soulmate and walking in truth is all about.... i took your word that it was the right thing for me to do, but now i have some doubts.... did i make the wrong choice? are you, like all the others, going to use me and then move on to the next conquest?. oh, woe is me.......will i ever smile again?... is this what hell is like?...
1/9/2008 11:46:48 AM	People who have gone to heaven and hell and came back
skunkbreath Saint James, MO age: 88	..storm.....it's okay, elise is with me....that is why she may appear confused..it is me,,,my fault...being soulmates, each takes on some of the other's character, i think that is the way it works....i pulled her down some and she lifted me up some.... Did you catch any fish???!!!
1/9/2008 2:55:09 PM	People who have gone to heaven and hell and came back
elise7 Calgary, AB age: 38	storm, From what you write, you have no insight, just a primitive understanding of life. Your posts are contradicting in the extreme, you prattle on in nonsensical way and clearly don't know what your talking about. Here comes another comments from a "genius" guru who pretended who knows all things except anything from God. If you don't like any of these thread, you are free to leave the discussion, and not visit them at all. All you do is critique each person's insights and form a conclusion of what kind a person is. Form your new thread and you may leave as you please or just let the thread die. It's not worth explaining to you about God because you have a very callous heart that is spreading like a disease in this forum. You not only affect everyone's brain but they like you as their hero and they like your brain too which is SO BAD and SO SAD. Even young kids, accepted Jesus as their Lord and Saviour, and recognize their need of God. Anyways, there's no point telling ypu all about God, because you don't care at all. elise7
1/9/2008 4:06:25 PM	People who have gone to heaven and hell and came back
frombre New South Wales Australia age: 55	Don't be sad Elise, shake the dust from your feet and smile because your Father in Heaven has heard. I too have had an out of body experience, I didn't see heaven or Hell though. I was in a really bad situation, which I can't go into here and the next thing I knew, I was up on the ceiling,looking down on my body, there were two other people in the room at that time and I could see them but I couldn't hear anymore, what they were saying, I was in a place of peace, taken out of things I couldn't even bare. This is what lead me to realize there was more to this life than I had understood before. It lead me on a journey of discovery, in which I always prayed for the truth of the creator of the Heavens and the Earth, I have been taught so many things since that time, the Almighty is soo full of wisdom people have no understanding of what they are missing out on and it is so sad. Every person is responsible for their own salvation, all we can do is try to point them in the right direction, If they refuse to listen, that is not our problem. Keep smiling and keep up the good work.
1/9/2008 4:10:11 PM	People who have gone to heaven and hell and came back
deserted Arlington, TX age: 42	Woooo it's chilly in here
1/9/2008 4:17:32 PM	People who have gone to heaven and hell and came back
elise7 Calgary, AB age: 38	frombre, thanks so much for your encouraging words. What a powerful story you have. I am actually a cd burner volunteer at www.spiritlessons.com (under Canada)- these are different testimonies from people who have gone back to heaven and hell. I hope you'll find the time to visit this site. elise7
1/9/2008 4:33:33 PM	People who have gone to heaven and hell and came back
stormbay Tasmania Australia age: 62	Elise Thank you for the compliments, it is bad for people to learn about the facts when it comes to fear and superstition. I doubt you could explain anything to do with your holey bibles or your mythical god. Your beliefs have had 3500 years to do it and have used at least 3 major ways and hundreds if not thousands of factional and cultist ways, sadly nothing you say stands up under the verifiable evidence, it's completely the opposite. Understanding the primitive mind is easy, it's easily led, easily fooled, open to superstition, fear and bewilderment at the realities of the universe and is so immature that it require delusional crutches and excuses to make their way through life. As for hell, it's real, just look at the efforts of your belief over the last 3500 years and you will see the hell they have and continue to impose upon this planet. Heaven, is being free of delusion, fear and the need to be controlled and free to use your mind to evolve your understanding. Your heaven and hell don't exist, except within your mind and you use that as an excuse to non function rationally and blame everything but yourself, for the ills and ineptitude of your life. By the way, I got my mind from my studies whilst an ordained officer of the church, so I think I understand your god much better the you do. What studies have you done to expand the knowledge of what you so fervently and blindly succumb to Have a nice day.
1/9/2008 5:19:20 PM	People who have gone to heaven and hell and came back
elise7 Calgary, AB age: 38	des, if you want to really experience "chill", visit www.spiritlessons.com for people who have gone back from heaven and hell and testify what they saw. I am not saying that these testimonies is lesser than what the Bible is saying. These testimonies are in fact backed by Bible verse. elise7
1/9/2008 6:04:50 PM	People who have gone to heaven and hell and came back
jewelz5 Monteagle, TN age: 53 online now!	Elise, somewhere someone came along in your life and convinced you to do something against your better judgement, you took the bait and got suckered into giving away your divine authority to someone that certainly does not have your best interest at heart for the piviledge of owning a benefit, ( "IF" you are a good girl, you 'might' be admitted into the pearly gates of heaven.) You weren't paying attention because you volunteered your consent to do something of which you had no knowledge of what was actually taking place. They created a steady diet to make you so pathologicaly affraid, and it is easy to do ( i.e., if you don't behave like a good girl, you are going straight to hell! )....so you will just naturally fall apart, leaking all kinds of negative emotion, fear and paranoia and then you will go..."yes..lucifer, come in and help us"....come in and tuck us up in bed. You made the choices that have shaped your future and your destiny. You got to choose either the way of servility and reward, of sorcery or Magic, of conformity or rebellion. It was a simple "yes!" or "no!" choice. If you chose the latter, then you are a child of the true Holy Spirit. If you chose the former, you have nothing to do with that Spirit. You are in fact a sinner against it. Do you really believe that your sick priests and pastors serve Jesus and the Holy Spirit?.. well they don't. They themselves, conform and so they need you to do the same. What they want and what they teach is the pure antithesis of the message of the true Holy Spirit. They invent the very hells they fear. They are the very hell they fear. But you pay their way since after all, they expertly endorse and reinforce your own abhorrent ideas about life, god, and cosmos. Lucifer's business is booming. The creatures of death and decay are presiding, because your world is dying and turning rotten. These misleaders are merely the maggots and parasites one would expect to find thriving upon necrotic tissue. They are merely symptoms and not causes, as you would so prefer to believe. elise: Hard to believe, but God needs us. yes, your government (God) does infact desperately need you elise, keep up the good work. A religion which sedulously opposes its own improvement, can do nothing essential toward improving anything else...On the contrary, it must check the growth of everything it touches with its palsied hands - Kersey Graves (The Bible of Bibles) Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh. For it is commendable if a man bears up under pain of unjust suffering because he is conscious of God. But, if you suffer for doing good and you endure it, this is commendable before God -(Peter 2:18-21)
1/9/2008 8:32:40 PM	People who have gone to heaven and hell and came back
elise7 Calgary, AB age: 38	storm, if you truly are an ordained church officer, then why do I have to explain to you the existence of God and hell. You are making fool of yourself in believing that if you are ordained church officer, you would be able to convince me how knowledgeable you are about God. And by the way, what kind of god do you have and what kind of church are you referring to. You really need to convince people here in this forum, I hope it's not satanic church or any other cultic church. From what i understand, you are accusing me of delusional. I thought you don't believe in spirituality. If you have really a good grasp of God then why do I have to explain to you the simplicity of the Gospel. Maybe your church is not the church that I know And for me, I am still learning, when i was in university in 1989 back home - i attended Bible Studies after my class. Grew up in a Catholic church and became a Christian during my college years. From then on I attended and became active in my church. And I've attended different seminars as well. But i forgot some of topics now. As of now, i attended a bible study here in Calgary every week. I admit that I am learning, but the subject of God and heaven and hell are basic to Christianity (Christianity 101 for you). Before you really dig the Bible and study it, the subject of God and His existence must be clearly understood first not only as a knowledge but must be experience in life and heart. elise7
1/9/2008 8:47:01 PM	People who have gone to heaven and hell and came back
frombre New South Wales Australia age: 55	Hi Storm! Do you mind me asking what you were in the church and what church you were with? I have had approx 15 yrs of near daily and for many of those years, often eight to twelve hours per day studying about the Almighty God, not to mention, the school of hard knocks not the least of which was being protected from someone who was going to kill me.Who stole three of my children, and used rape as a way of keeping me away from them. I am still alive to tell my story, just that in itself is a mighty miracle of God, let alone all the others I have seen along the way. Miracles no person and no thing on earth could be capable of pulling off. Who hurt you Storm,was it God, was it man, or was it your expectations? I am not having a go at you, I can see you feel like you have been let down in some way, do you think that it was not God, but mankind's wrong understanding which was the problem.
1/9/2008 8:50:37 PM	People who have gone to heaven and hell and came back
elise7 Calgary, AB age: 38	jewelz, "IF" you are a good girl, you 'might' be admitted into the pearly gates of heaven.) The Bible says, we cannot earn our salvation thru good works. They are rags in God's sight. If you are aiming to please God by saving yourself through your effort, don't even think about it. Sacrifice has been done by Christ. That's the only sacrifice that is acceptable to God. Unlike in the Old Testament, priests has to offer lambs, sheeps, cereal as an offering to God for the forgiveness of their sins. Ephesians 2:8-9 For by grace you have been saved, through faith, it is not of yourselves, it is a gift of God so that no one can boast. It's a gift. Not by good works, not me being a good girl, but actually believing the redemptive plan of God. And I firmly believe in the Scripture. Before i knew about www.spiritlessons.com, I already am a Christian. Done my homework by accepting Jesus Christ as my Saviour and Lord. And as He cleanseth my sins and forgives all my iniquities, I can say that God changed me from being a sinner to a child of God. John 1:12 Yet to all who receive Him, he gave them the power to become children of God My salvation is not base on their testimony, it's reaffiming my belief that I am in the right path towards God. That what Bill Weise said in his testimony as he witness the description of hell and how God doesn't want all people to come that place is an eye opener and really a big responsibility of all Christians to share the Good News of Hope that there is a way out of this hell and people doesn't have to go to hell who is Jeus Christ. John 14:6 Jesus said, I am the way, the truth and the life. No one can come to the Father but by Me. Jesus is clearly saying that He is the ONLY Way to the Father- the ONLY Salvation and OUR ONLY HOPE. elise7
1/9/2008 9:18:41 PM	People who have gone to heaven and hell and came back
stormbay Tasmania Australia age: 62	Elise I understand you believe the study of religion revolves around a few heavily changed copies of mythological stories, written long before the bibles or koran, but it is not. It is the study of the chronology, archaeology, verified written history along with the anthropology surrounding the times. It's the learning of facts, not fiction. Sadly for you, you can't make fact out of unverified fictional bibles, nor can you change the facts of your books being plagiarised from other philosophical and mythological works, some written thousand of years before. Nor can you change the geological archaeology, to suit your books of war and violence. Only a robot or egotist would want to discuss something as truth, when they have all the evidence available and not one single piece of it points to god, nor your jesus being anything but mythology. It points to it being a version of stories made up from earlier stories, since changed many many times by men with debauched vested interests, until you have the fantasy you now worship. You can chat all you like about the scriptures, as none of you seem to have clue about them, I just get a laugh at how ignorant you all are about the facts. But carry on with trying to insult the sane intelligent people of the world by demanding clearly what is false, to be truth. So all I and others do, is remind you that the little glass ball you live in, can be seen through and we can see will break in the end as has happened to all believers throughout history, leaving you alone, as it does to all who face the ultimate truth and aren't prepared for their delusional world to be broken down by reality. Who hurt you Storm,was it God, was it man, or was it your expectations? I am not having a go at you, I can see you feel like you have been let down in some way, do you think that it was not God, but mankind's wrong understanding which was the problem. Taken from the thread,The evangelistic clone syndrome Then they make sure they give a false impression of caring and politeness in their post, but don't actually read anything of what's said, just launch their attack. They never seek answers, and don't question their own position as they already believe they're right. When they get a response, they make sure they point out how puzzled they are that your are not yet totally convinced and make sure they mention the poster is angry, even if they show no clue or sign they are. Next they try to disarm them by pointing out the character flaws which they want to see in them and can point at as the cause of their non belief. They never discuss any of the points raised and never under any circumstances enter into real dialogue, frombe I see your wearing the emperors new clothes. [Edited 1/9/2008 9:20:41 PM]
1/9/2008 9:33:10 PM	People who have gone to heaven and hell and came back
elise7 Calgary, AB age: 38	storm, I hope God will manifest in your life. Starting tonight, i will pray for you for enlightenment. elise7

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