People who have gone to heaven and hell and came back 331

1/16/2008 7:09:07 PM	People who have gone to heaven and hell and came back
frombre New South Wales Australia age: 55	Tat I just read you post about what you experienced at fourteen, in a lot of ways, it was similar to my own experience. I had an out of body experience, I never looked into the side of things, you did because of it, so can't comment on that side of things. I also got kicked out of church for pointing out things in the Bible that they didn't agree with. This doesn't mean that the Bible is wrong, mankind's interpretation of it can and often is way off. For instance, the Bible clearly says, that God is Spirit, and that we have to worship him in spirit and in truth. It also says he has no desire that any should perish, but all come to repentance. Mankind were given dominion ( rulership)over this planet and God doesn't interfere, unless we ask him. Just because many of mankind, including many in churches, Have gone down wrong roads in their understanding of him, doesn't mean he isn't real. No true followers of the Almighty God, through Jesus Christ, condone murder, geneoside, or anything else evil. The ten commandments forbid it, in love, there is no place for it. God is Love, but he has to approach mankind at the level of their understanding. With some people all they understand is war and hatred, if he chose to, he could destroy the lot and start all over again, but he hasn't, he is doing all he can to get mankind to come back to him and stop following the roads evil is enticing them to travel down. People don't understand, the power in the words they speak, and that because of them, they create the world in which they live. This universe was created by words being put into action, as we were created in the likeness and image of the Almighty, our words also have the power to create. I have found no other plausible explanation as to how the very first cell in the whole of Creation came to be here.
1/16/2008 7:29:28 PM	People who have gone to heaven and hell and came back
frombre New South Wales Australia age: 55	Lastrad, I am not using that scripture to not disclose anything to any non believer, anyone understands that you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink. Everyone is free to search the Bible for themselves and find their own answers. I also never said I know it all, nor that I understand any more than anyone else, I know from the personal experiences I have had with the Almighty God, which have saved me from some very dangerous situations, that I can trust him, I also know that mankind have a very limited understanding of not only God and his ways, but of the whole of his creation. So all of us are either guessing, all be it a somewhat educated guess, hoping, or walking in faith, as we journey down this road called life. No one can prove without a doubt that what they think is right. That is the way the Almighty set it up so mankind can have their own free will. Sorry about the mix up, in a hurry, next time I will check better. God Bless: :signhelp::
1/16/2008 7:58:45 PM	People who have gone to heaven and hell and came back
elise7 Calgary, AB age: 38	tat2, you said: God is described as having created the earth, mankind, other living things, and the rest of the universe in the early chapters of Genesis. But he apparently was unable to foresee the future behavior of his creations. In particular, He did not predict the degree of wickedness that mankind would exhibit. He regretted his decision to create mankind. So he decided to commit the ultimate act of genocide, by murdering the entire human race: men, women, children, infants and newborns. God decided to exterminate people by drowning - a slow and painful way to die. He allowed Noah to survive, along with Noah's wife, his three sons and their wives. But the Bible states that the rest of the human race were wiped out, including young children and infants who had not reached the age of accountability. In the 20th century, the most serious acts of genocide involved less than 1% of the human population. Examples are: the extermination of the Armenian minority in Turkey, the extermination of Jews, Roma (Gypsies) and others by the Nazis, the extermination of the ethnic Albanians by the Serbs in Kosovo in the former Yugoslavia. The perpetrators have become the most hated of people. But the genocide resulting from the great flood is far more serious. It is recorded as having destroyed over 99% of the human race, leaving only eight humans alive. God already knew what is going to happen in Genesis. He is a Sovereing God. He already pre-dertermined things. But remember that we were given a free will to choose between good and evil. And during this time, i firmly believe that He was so disappointed with mankind. Because they'd rather choose to do wicked things rather to plese God which is our form or worship. If He can create us, and every things, nature that you enjoy, He has the power to destroy mankind because of sin. You are missing the point here. God condemns sin, He hates it so bad. As i've said sin affects us, the entire world. I can see too that you are angry at Him because He exerices His being a just God. We are His highest form of creations. We have to submit to Him. He loves so dearly, when are you going to open your eyes and heart to this truth? elise7
1/16/2008 8:19:52 PM	People who have gone to heaven and hell and came back
missette Knoxville, TN age: 65	Ok Tat---since you addressed me, i'll come back at you. The only way i know how, with being honest with you. I am very sorry if i offended you in myself in any way.I sure don't remember calling you a devil for useing Gods name,if i done that i was in myself.If i said that, you sure have my apology.God Bless you Tat----Missette
1/19/2008 7:51:03 AM	People who have gone to heaven and hell and came back
stringsvrs Syracuse, NY age: 51	Hello Sisters and Brothers All Brother Tat you posted in response to Sisters Missette and Elise7 : tat2big1 Crescent City, CA age: 34 view all: posts \| threads MISSETTE & ELISE7, ------------------------------ You religious women should just be quiet!!!! You should know that women are absolutely inferior to men! We dominate over you! You should know, it is in the bible!!!!LOOK!!! ======== ============ ============ =========== ===== AND I QUOTE: ============= 1 Timothy 2:9-15 9) In the like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls or costly array; 10) But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works. 11) Let the women learn in silence with all subjection. 12) But I suffer a woman not to teach, nor to usurp authority over a man, but to be in silence. 13) For Adam was first formed, then Eve. 14) And Adam was not decieved, but the woman being decived was in the transgression. 15) Not withstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety. stringsvrs replies : Satan, or the carnal nature of mankind/ruling powers in the social structure, have been elevated since the days of these times in our society. And we are extending this Equality throughout the world to other oppressing cultures and countries. Women and children are just as equal to men, deserving of the same rights and freedoms! However, if you believe in enforcing this policy in your life, in your relationships and all your affairs; It will not be long before you will be incarcerated for some form of victimizing towards your family. Domesticated abuse of some form. tat2big1 Crescent City, CA age: 34 view all: posts \| threads MISSETTE POSTED: ---------------- ..Las---I really beleive your reading the bible trying to find the scriptures that tries to leave the Bible in a lie instead of trying to find the scriptures that says its true. ---------------------------------- EXACTLY, you're smarter than you look! Because if the bible has errors or lies, then it can't POSSIBLY be a "TRUE WORD OF GOD"!! That is misrepresentation, and false advertisement, and religious people have gotten away with it for over 2,000 years. Pastors, ministers and churches have been picking and pulling out what THEY want to read from the bible. That's why we have over 1,500 sects of Christianity alone! Mankind has placed many of the compiled writings into the book called and accepted as the bible. Many non-believers controversy arrive from what is inspired through the Holy Spirit and what is not inspired by the Holy Spirit. First you must pray for theHoly Spirit indwell within you; to deliver you the Wisdom to understand and see the truths within the bible. What is to be revealed for you and your understanding will be given. First you must have the Hope of God's existence for the faith to be received and acted upon. JMHO
1/19/2008 8:28:08 AM	People who have gone to heaven and hell and came back
anti_christ_666 Crescent City, CA age: 34	Apology accepted, Thank you, it means alot.
1/19/2008 8:32:06 AM	People who have gone to heaven and hell and came back
elise7 Calgary, AB age: 38	666, what do you mean by these.
1/19/2008 8:44:14 AM	People who have gone to heaven and hell and came back
anti_christ_666 Crescent City, CA age: 34	STRINGSVRS POSTED: ---------------------- Satan, or the carnal nature of mankind/ruling powers in the social structure, have been elevated since the days of these times in our society. And we are extending this Equality throughout the world to other oppressing cultures and countries. Women and children are just as equal to men, deserving of the same rights and freedoms! However, if you believe in enforcing this policy in your life, in your relationships and all your affairs; It will not be long before you will be incarcerated for some form of victimizing towards your family. Domesticated abuse of some form. ======================================================================================== Hi!!! It's tat2big1!!!!! --------------------------- YOU ARE ABSOULUTELY RIGHT ABOUT THAT STRINGS. I'm not sure that you are quite getting the point though. The point is, it was written in the bible, these are NOT my views. Religious fanatics think that they can just qoute all the good stuff in their defense. But when an ex-christian points out the injustices, many fanatics act we are evil. We are pointing out truths, whether you like it or not!!!!! The bible is part of the whole reason women had to fight so long and hard for world wide equal rights. Women are still majorly suppressed in that region, where most religions come from, the Middle East. YET SO MANY WOMEN KEEP ON SUPPORTING THE BIBLE AND CALL IT THE WORD OF GOD. Obviously you have never done hallucinagens. I don't use them anymore, but I have. That is where the original "holy spirit" comes from!!!!! That is why you can't see god without them!!!! Well, have you? [Edited 1/19/2008 8:44:51 AM]
1/19/2008 8:45:51 AM	People who have gone to heaven and hell and came back
anti_christ_666 Crescent City, CA age: 34	HI!!!!! IT IS TAT2BIG1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
1/19/2008 10:27:13 AM	People who have gone to heaven and hell and came back
stringsvrs Syracuse, NY age: 51	Brother Tat/666 Really funny you impostor you!!!!! Hi!!! It's tat2big1!!!!! --------------------------- YOU ARE ABSOULUTELY RIGHT ABOUT THAT STRINGS. I'm not sure that you are quite getting the point though. The point is, it was written in the bible, these are NOT my views. Religious fanatics think that they can just qoute all the good stuff in their defense. But when an ex-christian points out the injustices, many fanatics act we are evil. We are pointing out truths, whether you like it or not!!!!! The bible is part of the whole reason women had to fight so long and hard for world wide equal rights. Women are still majorly suppressed in that region, where most religions come from, the Middle East. YET SO MANY WOMEN KEEP ON SUPPORTING THE BIBLE AND CALL IT THE WORD OF GOD. Obviously you have never done hallucinagens. I don't use them anymore, but I have. That is where the original "holy spirit" comes from!!!!! That is why you can't see god without them!!!! Well, have you? strings replies : I did not say they were your views also so I need not apologize. You may enjoy your self appointed apology if you wish to though The good stuff that comes from others (which your perception classifies as Fanatics), is seeing through that which is elevated for the betterment of mankind. The problem though comes from : "In Pointing Out" the un-Just principals which maintain the act of oppressing any race, gender...etc...hindering true Equality across the world in Freedom ...etc... the Pointers do not delve into what will make it just towards the unjust. A case of miscommunication perhaps.
1/19/2008 12:32:53 PM	People who have gone to heaven and hell and came back
anti_christ_666 Crescent City, CA age: 34	strings posted The good stuff that comes from others (which your perception classifies as Fanatics), is seeing through that which is elevated for the betterment of mankind. The problem though comes from : "In Pointing Out" the un-Just principals which maintain the act of oppressing any race, gender...etc...hindering true Equality across the world in Freedom ...etc... the Pointers do not delve into what will make it just towards the unjust. A case of miscommunication perhaps. ==================================================================================== We can pretty much just gather up the good stuff in the bible and wrap it up into about a 10 page book, and cut out all the contradictions and obsurd stories. That I would actually be in favor of, but in my opinion, it should be universal and not directed towards any one religion of faith. P.S. How do you spell check? I don't know everything, YET ! [Edited 1/19/2008 12:36:26 PM]
1/19/2008 7:46:29 PM	People who have gone to heaven and hell and came back
elise7 Calgary, AB age: 38	666, take a look at this website http://www.godtube.com/view_video.php?viewkey=6ef30ccc116061a4e370 - specifially Mendez' testimony. elise7
1/20/2008 11:42:04 AM	People who have gone to heaven and hell and came back
deathmetalman77 Crescent City, CA age: 34	elise7 I posted on the second page this question that you never adaquately answered. tat2big1 Crescent City, CA age: 34 view all: posts \| threads Very good topic although you are biased in your beliefs, but that's what makes us believe what we do. Which brings me to the question: Are these experiences unique to our culture? Are the perceptions of going to heaven or hell because of our Western/ Christian belief or is it universal? Do other cultures who don't believe in the Christian religion experience heaven or hell in near death experiences, i.e., NDEs. Or does our subconcious somehow play a part in it? ===================================================================================== elise7,Here is the answer that you posted: tat2big, I don't know the answer to your questions, one thing I know. I believe in the Bible and people who experiences NDE's doesn't even know why they were chosen to take a glimpse of eternity. And why is that, because God uses every means to reach out to people but we cannot understand God's ways because our mind are limited compare to His. We can play people but we cannot play God. He knows what's going to happen next seconds, minutes of our lives. It is easy for us to say that we are successful without God's help, we don't realize that He was there all the time. While He keeps on pursuing His love to us, we are busy running away from Him. ============================================================================== THIS JUST SHOWS HOW UTTERLY NARROW MINDED THAT YOU WANT TO BE!!!
1/20/2008 8:05:46 PM	People who have gone to heaven and hell and came back
elise7 Calgary, AB age: 38	death Very good topic although you are biased in your beliefs, but that's what makes us believe what we do. Which brings me to the question: Are these experiences unique to our culture? Are the perceptions of going to heaven or hell because of our Western/ Christian belief or is it universal? Do other cultures who don't believe in the Christian religion experience heaven or hell in near death experiences, i.e., NDEs. Or does our subconcious somehow play a part in it? Is knowing the truth about God through the Bible a prejudice to you. What other book can you consider if you wanna know the deep meaning of life that would enable you to survive in this very challenging life only God's Word, the Bible is teaching about peace, calmness in the midst of trials. Koran is teaching that killing a person would bring glory to their god. Is that a good belief or a bad belief. That is murdering lives. That is contradictory to the Word of God which brings out God's love and its entirety. I just don't exactly know what you mean by me being bias. If that is your opinion, can't do nothing about it. Even God gave us the will to whom to believe. He did not force us to believe in Him. It's our choice. For me I don't want to be in hell and suffer forever. This earth that we live in is full of chaos, disagreement and war. But God is open to all people to come to him and live with their lives. Helping them to cope in this life's struggles. If we don't like that, then I believe we are missing the point of why we are created and why are we here on this earth. We have a purpose in life, and there is a reason why we were created. It's not only for our temporary satisfaction, we were created because we are to worship and give honor to our Creator, our God. We cannot see Him now, but He's Spirit. And He longs to answer our prayers if we just let him. How hard can it be to open our hearts to Him. He will help us in our problems and will guide us in this journey of life. And no one can hinder God's love to us. Even demons and satan are subjective to God. If you are seeking your life's meaning through your effort, it's going to result for a temporary satisfaction. It's going to be the same over and over again. The truth is we cannot live without God, we will try our every resources to satisfy our yearnings for things, it will always boils down to the same routine - Void in us. God can only fill this void. No one can and will. At www.spiritlessons.com - there are people who have gone to heaven and hell who are in a different set of culture aside from Western/Christian beliefs. It doesn't have to do with the culture, God is not a respecter of persons, culture, race and other beliefs. He created us small, big, rich, famous, poor. In God's point of view we are all the same. Entirely different from the world's point of view. We will not be judged by our position, salary, material gains or wealth, beauty, and how our social status in life. The question is: Are you going to put your trust in this earthly things which you cannot even bring when you die. The Bible said: What shall if profit a man if he gains the whole world and lose his own soul. Is it really worth to gamble our soul to satan, not recognizing that God is open if we will just come to Him while we are still living on this earth. If God likes to reveal Himself to any person, He can do so. That is His consideration. All of us have given the chance to live our life in God's perspective. No one knows if we are still living today, next seconds or minutes of our lives. If God calls us, we will be definitely answerable to our life's decisions. And that will dictates our eternal destination. It bothers me when people trusted so much on themselves, they even don't recognize that there is God who is going to judge us. That the things we own and enjoy are all His. And we don't have any clue how life is SO SHORT. We don't have any slightest idea on who is going to be dead and who is going to remain alive. But I believe that only GOD is the Sovereign and we can trust Him and His promises. All the materials things of this world is not comparable to the reward of those people who decided to follow God and His directions. elise7 [Edited 1/20/2008 8:16:28 PM]
1/21/2008 10:36:38 AM	People who have gone to heaven and hell and came back
deathmetalman77 Crescent City, CA age: 34	elise7 posted ---------------------------- What other book can you consider if you wanna know the deep meaning of life that would enable you to survive in this very challenging life only God's Word, the Bible is teaching about peace, calmness in the midst of trials. ---------- It doesn't have to do with the culture, God is not a respecter of persons, culture, race and other beliefs. He created us small, big, rich, famous, poor. In God's point of view we are all the same. Entirely different from the world's point of view. =========================================================== So then why do you insist that Jesus is the ONLY savior? Or maybe you are opening your mind. And back to your other question of what other sacred texts there are to bring you closer to god and spiritual enlightenment. Look if you will into Buddhism, Hindu texts called Vedas, and Chinese Taoism.

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