People who have gone to heaven and hell and came back 316

1/15/2008 10:35:59 PM	People who have gone to heaven and hell and came back
tat2big1 Crescent City, CA age: 34	MISSETTE & ELISE7, ------------------------------ You religious women should just be quiet!!!! You should know that women are absolutely inferior to men! We dominate over you! You should know, it is in the bible!!!!LOOK!!! ======== ============ ============ =========== ===== AND I QUOTE: ============= 1 Timothy 2:9-15 9) In the like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls or costly array; 10) But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works. 11) Let the women learn in silence with all subjection. 12) But I suffer a woman not to teach, nor to usurp authority over a man, but to be in silence. 13) For Adam was first formed, then Eve. 14) And Adam was not decieved, but the woman being decived was in the transgression. 15) Not withstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.
1/15/2008 10:49:12 PM	People who have gone to heaven and hell and came back
tat2big1 Crescent City, CA age: 34	MISSETTE POSTED: ---------------- ..Las---I really beleive your reading the bible trying to find the scriptures that tries to leave the Bible in a lie instead of trying to find the scriptures that says its true. ---------------------------------- EXACTLY, you're smarter than you look! Because if the bible has errors or lies, then it can't POSSIBLY be a "TRUE WORD OF GOD"!! That is misrepresentation, and false advertisement, and religious people have gotten away with it for over 2,000 years. Pastors, ministers and churches have been picking and pulling out what THEY want to read from the bible. That's why we have over 1,500 sects of Christianity alone!
1/15/2008 11:07:15 PM	People who have gone to heaven and hell and came back
tat2big1 Crescent City, CA age: 34	ELISE7 POSTED: --------------- See that's the thing. During the time of Noah, God gave the people the chance to repent but what they did is they mocked Noah of building such big ark. The rain came and people who mocked him die in the flood. God gave those people all the time and chances to change their ways. This people have done different kinds of evil in the sight of God. And when they refuse, God sent a rain and flood which brought them to death. That's the economy of God, if you don't obey there are consequences. Even I myself if i don't obey God, i noticed that i always reap my disobedience. Obedience is the key. And the thing too, if God can kill people, he can create mankind again. We as human beings don't have such power. Only Him. ===================================== READ THIS: ---------- The flood of Noah: Genesis 6:5-9: "And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them. But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD. These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God." God is described as having created the earth, mankind, other living things, and the rest of the universe in the early chapters of Genesis. But he apparently was unable to foresee the future behavior of his creations. In particular, He did not predict the degree of wickedness that mankind would exhibit. He regretted his decision to create mankind. So he decided to commit the ultimate act of genocide, by murdering the entire human race: men, women, children, infants and newborns. God decided to exterminate people by drowning - a slow and painful way to die. He allowed Noah to survive, along with Noah's wife, his three sons and their wives. But the Bible states that the rest of the human race were wiped out, including young children and infants who had not reached the age of accountability. In the 20th century, the most serious acts of genocide involved less than 1% of the human population. Examples are: the extermination of the Armenian minority in Turkey, the extermination of Jews, Roma (Gypsies) and others by the Nazis, the extermination of the ethnic Albanians by the Serbs in Kosovo in the former Yugoslavia. The perpetrators have become the most hated of people. But the genocide resulting from the great flood is far more serious. It is recorded as having destroyed over 99% of the human race, leaving only eight humans alive. ------- ------ --- - - -- - ------ - - - - - ---- --- - AND YOU RIGHTEOUS RELIGIOUS FANATICS AGREE WITH THIS????? ---------------------- He allowed Noah to survive, along with Noah's wife, his three sons and their wives. ------------------ THIS WOULD MEAN THAT THEY HAD TO HAVE SOME SORT OF INCEST IN ORDER TO REPRODUCE!!! Are you saying that we are all a bunch of inbreds? Well maybe that explains you!!! ------------------ including young children and infants who had not reached the age of accountability. -------------------- Do you condone the acts of KILLING kids and babies!?!?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!?!?!?
1/16/2008 12:19:08 AM	People who have gone to heaven and hell and came back
elise7 Calgary, AB age: 38	tat, Stop using the Bible for your own ego and as an excuse. You're just misleading people that you are for God. You are dealing with paranormal stuff which are satanic and cultic in nature. God hates those wickedness. I think you are asking really for your "10 plagues". It's so amazing you still use the Bible to defend yourself. First, get rid of your paranormal acitivities then confess your sins to God then you can quote the Bible verses. You cannot serve both satan and God. I am telling you it's not effective. No one is believing you. You're just wasting your time and your typing. elise7
1/16/2008 12:27:28 AM	People who have gone to heaven and hell and came back
elise7 Calgary, AB age: 38	tat you said THIS WOULD MEAN THAT THEY HAD TO HAVE SOME SORT OF INCEST IN ORDER TO REPRODUCE!!! Are you saying that we are all a bunch of inbreds? Well maybe that explains you!!! ------------------ including young children and infants who had not reached the age of accountability. -------------------- Do you condone the acts of KILLING kids and babies!?!?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!?!?!? What are you talking about? Some sort of incest? You are really out of your mind? God only has the power to create and create mankind. Do you have that power? NONE. Keep on depending your strayed minds, at the end satan will mock you in fact he is right now. For you really believes in all his lies. He's celebrating because you made him your god. To tell you the truth, satan adores you so much right now. He's impressed for all your insults towards God and the Bible. You are really requesting your 10 plagues like Pharoah who has a stubborn and prideful heart. elise7
1/16/2008 12:36:01 AM	People who have gone to heaven and hell and came back
elise7 Calgary, AB age: 38	lastra, Just drop the subject of my miracle. You are a miracle yourself, the fact that you'e here still alive, questioning about God is a living miracle itself. elise7
1/16/2008 12:42:55 AM	People who have gone to heaven and hell and came back
elise7 Calgary, AB age: 38	lastra, you said So Elise is that the reason you don't want to tell us how God provided you your money miracle? Do you see us as Pigs What Frombe is saying is that we cannot change a person, but God can. That's a metaphorical expression. In time people will change, it's just frustrating that people has stubborn will and not even recognize their Creator. elise7
1/16/2008 1:59:31 AM	People who have gone to heaven and hell and came back
tat2big1 Crescent City, CA age: 34	ELISE7 POSTED: -------------- tat, You cannot serve both satan and God. --------------------------------- I think you are asking really for your "10 plagues". ---------------------------- To tell you the truth, satan adores you so much right now. He's impressed for all your insults towards God and the Bible. -------------------------------------- You are really requesting your 10 plagues like Pharoah who has a stubborn and prideful heart. ----------------------------------- God only has the power to create and create mankind. Do you have that power? NONE. ============================================================= I POSTED EARLIER: ------------------- He allowed Noah to survive, along with Noah's wife, his three sons and their wives. ------------------ THIS WOULD MEAN THAT THEY HAD TO HAVE SOME SORT OF INCEST IN ORDER TO REPRODUCE!!! Are you saying that we are all a bunch of inbreds? Well maybe that explains you!!! ------------------ including young children and infants who had not reached the age of accountability. -------------------- Do you condone the acts of KILLING kids and babies!?!?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!?!?!? ================================================================== FIRST OF ALL, I serve no deity. I don't believe in the bible or satan, so how can I serve anyone besides myself and my family!! Second, yes I do have the power to create mankind. I have a 10 year old daughter and a 3 year old son. Third, you never answered my question. A simple YES or NO answer!!!! ---- Do you condone the acts of KILLING kids and babies!?!?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!?!?!? ---- It's obvious your answer by your statement about the 10 plagues!!!!!How holy and Godly are thou??? Also, I can use the bible all day long and say Elohim, Yahwey, Jehova, Yashua, Yahovah, Jesus Emmanuel Christ, God or Satan, Beelzebub, Lucifer, Adversary, devil or the name of anything!!!! [Edited 1/16/2008 2:00:04 AM]
1/16/2008 10:20:48 AM	People who have gone to heaven and hell and came back
missette Knoxville, TN age: 65	Tat---I see your memory is not to long since i just told you i'm not religious.,and your wrong again i thought you read your Bible I see you must have skipped some when you read your Bible .That's why we get in trouble with the word,so how can you be more superior than me, when the Bible says for in Christ there's neither male or female. Galatians 3:28 You told me to get off here, i wouldn.t tell you that .I wish you the best. Besides you know Jesus comes first and i have to mind him and him and dustin didn't tell me to get off sorry.G.B.--Missette
1/16/2008 11:08:23 AM	People who have gone to heaven and hell and came back
tat2big1 Crescent City, CA age: 34	ELISE7: READ CAREFULLY!!!! THE EXISTENCE OF YOUR VERY SOUL DEPENDS ON IT!!!! You see , I also had some experiences in my life, such as arstral disjunction from primortal. Or in laymen's terms, astral projection travel, which is extremeley difficult and completely counter~ intuitive to the mortal human psyche. Simply put, it is where your soul or spirit leaves your body on a somewhat conscious level. And I say somewhat, because some amount of memory and consciousness is retained in the physical body while the spirit roams. I know what people are thinking right now probably is that it was either a dream or tat2big1 really is crazy... I think not. (Well maybe just a little crazy, but then again so was Einstien.) Honestly, the first time that it happened, scared the living daylights out of me!! This happened when I was 14, on a Sunday morning about 4 A.M. I was just on the verge of waking up, I had just had a weird dream. So there I was, in a half-awake and half-asleep type state. I suddenly felt this strange vibration fill my whole body, it felt like the hum and vibration of a motor and a bright white light radiating from the center outwards to fill my "eyes", which was impossible where I lived. Anyways I could feel that it was internally produced by my own body. At that same exact time I felt my spirit lift out of my body and I could "see" it yet my eyes were still closed. I thought that I was dying!!!!!!!!!But, it was the most beautiful violet-blue-indigo color ever, I had never seen such a bright and radiant color EVER!!! I could "see" that my spirit had seperated from my body. Like I said, I thought that I was dying at 14 years old with no apparent health problems!! I was freaked out! So, then my spirit snapped back into my body with a jolt!! Now all my years of being a christian as a child NEVER prepared me for such a life altering event. "What the hell happened, am I sick and dying?", I thought. I had to find out. So I went to my school library and checked out books on near death experiences or N.D.E.'s and it led me to my discovery of astral travel. WOW! I figured it out all on my own by reading some books. They described in a scientific and spritual way EXACTLY what I had experienced. Exactly! How could this be? Why didn't my church or bible at least warn me?!!?? How come they never once even mentioned it? I was taught that when we die then our bodies are dead until we were resurrected by Jesus when he came to set up his kingdom. I vigirously studied everything that I could get my hands on about metaphysics, the paranormal, parapsychology, ghosts, UFO's etc.(Use common sense to filter out the hogwash.) This was seemingly forbidden knowledge for bible believers. Then I discovered why. I found a few friends considerably older to mentor from. Remember that I was 14, some of my mentor friends were in their 20's and 30's. With their help and guidence, I began practicing this astral projection. I discovred what is on the other side, but this is my belief, so I don't go around stating that it is absolute truth. I certainly can't prove it, but I know what I know. I certainly learned that other cultures have differnt beliefs about life after death, then what I was always taught. Still with me, right? Ok, here is what I discovered and had reconfirmed by my mentors. There is a universal cosmic energy that connects us all. This energy is NOT, I repeat, NOT a living being as we traditionally think of god, but that is what most people call it. Instead, we are all living beings that contain this energy. We all feel this energy, it is universal, especially to living creatures and plants. All matter contains some of this energy including rocks and crystals. People have felt this energy and personfied it into a human like being. It was only natural to want to have a big daddy in the sky when you die, I know that I would. Unfortunetely that is not what I found out. I believe that when we die our spirit simply leaves this body and tranists into a sririt. The spirit realm is much like this physical realm in which are in a mortal body. Here are the main differences that I could discern: 1) We are not bound by phsical limitations. 2) Time is virtually irrelevant, it is seemingly infinite. 3) Some aspects of conciousness are directly connected to the human brain, mainly physical attributes such as physical desires like hunger, thirst, sex, etc. 4) You are a pure energy form thus capable of reaching traveling speeds near or at the speed of light. 5) The spirit world is like a parrell of our physical manifestation. There, energy can be used in a similar way as matter, and manipulated to create an enviroment in the vast universe. Thus, powerful beings, not gods can create a kind of heaven or hell type enviroment. Much like we can on earth. THIS IS THE ABSOLUTELY MOST CRITICAL PART, DO NOT ALLOW BEINGS TO TRICK YOU INTO THEIR ENVIRONMENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!CREATE YOUR OWN HEAVEN ENVIRONMENT, JUST LIKE HERE ON EARTH!!!!!!!!!!!LIFE IS WHAT YOU MAKE OF IT!!!!!!!!!!!So if you go there just expecting heaven and god, I think that you will find some demon's hell instead. Be preprared, it is just the next step in life. There is no reason to fear death except for our reasons for living in this mortal shell. I tried going back to church off and on through out the years. I always felt like there was something missing. The last church that I attended was ridiculously horrible. I feel like they mede a BIG fool out of me and my family.(I have the story posted, I will repost below.) And since we live in a small town, we would see church members around town. They would be extremeley pushy to get us to go back to their church. One member of the congregation even called me and argued with me for about half an hour over it. Another of the church ladies works at my daughter's school. She would then put guilt trips on my daughter telling her how much they missed us and that she should have us come back. This went on for over a week or two. I finally had to go to the school and tell that lady not to bother my daughter anymore. Harassment I tell you! NOW I HAVE TOLD ALMOST THE WHOLE REASON THAT I BELIEVE WHAT I DO. [Edited 1/16/2008 11:09:57 AM]
1/16/2008 11:34:08 AM	People who have gone to heaven and hell and came back
tat2big1 Crescent City, CA age: 34	MISSETTE POSTED: -------------------- Tat---I see your memory is not to long since i just told you i'm not religious.,and your wrong again i thought you read your Bible I see you must have skipped some when you read your Bible .That's why we get in trouble with the word,so how can you be more superior than me, when the Bible says for in Christ there's neither male or female. Galatians 3:28 You told me to get off here, i wouldn.t tell you that .I wish you the best. Besides you know Jesus comes first and i have to mind him and him and dustin didn't tell me to get off sorry.G.B.--Missette ------------------------------------------------------------------ MISSETTE: --------- I was trying to be nice and not pick on you for saying that you are not religious. Well did you look up the word? Did you provide a definition? Did you compare yourself to that definition? Or is it a defense mechanism to help keep you in denial? How can you spend so much time on the religion forum and not be religious? Impossible, especially if go around talking about god, jesus and the bible or any other religion that you believe in. I was being facetious to prove a point about women being inferior. The point is this: If the bible is the true word of god and therefore perfect, then you can't just select qoutes that you like and ignore the hideously evil ones, just cause you want to. Also Galations 3:28 says that we are all equal IF we have faith in Christ. WOULD YOU PLEASE STOP DOING SELECTIVE READING AND SELECTIVE INTERPRETING????!!!!! I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH WOMEN EXCEPT THAT I LOVE TOO MUCH. You women are going around qouting the bible left and right, but then when a "freethinker" finds a scripture that you don't agree with then you tend to try to reverse it, like I am a bad guy. HELL! I didn't write it and I don't support many of the teachings that involve wars, genocine, rape, incest, infanticide etc. But apparently YOU do!!!!!!!!!!! So just keep on judging!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
1/16/2008 12:51:28 PM	People who have gone to heaven and hell and came back
missette Knoxville, TN age: 65	Tat---Thanks for looking out for my feelings,but you should take your own advice and quit picking out the scriptures that you want to prove that's a lie.You also pick out the ones you like and try to prove things by them. Maybe part of your problem is trying to find religion.I only know about Jesus who was crusified ,died,raised and is setting on the right hand of the father making intersessions for you and me. I don't need religion ,because i went through THE door 33 yrs. ago Jesus being that door,so Tat i won't be quite but i can if you hate me that much, quit answering your post sorry you got offended in me . Let me say this just in case you don't want me to answer your posts. Time is running out you better lisen to that little still small voice and answer your call. God Bless---Missette
1/16/2008 3:30:54 PM	People who have gone to heaven and hell and came back
tat2big1 Crescent City, CA age: 34	MISSETTE posted: ---------------- Tat--- quit picking out the scriptures that you want to prove that's a lie.You also pick out the ones you like and try to prove things by them. ,so Tat i won't be quite but i can if you hate me that much, quit answering your post sorry you got offended in me . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Hey, you don't have to be mad at me for pointing out the TRUTH about lies in the bible, and things that it says. If you just want to be IGNORANT, then that is fine. But I don't hate anyone, some people I don't care to associate with, but hate is a strong word! Don't try to put words in my mouth! Now before you start "screaming" about name calling. Just for the record, I am just being descriptive. Don't think that I didn't catch that one time that you implied that I was a devil for using the words god and bible, I am not ignorant!
1/16/2008 6:22:04 PM	People who have gone to heaven and hell and came back
frombre New South Wales Australia age: 55	Tat, So sorry that you took it that I was aiming what I said about Pigs at you, I was just stating a fact that all are different and we can't make anyone else be the same as us. Many Apologies, if it sounded as tho I was directing it at you. I really hope you find whatever it is you are looking for and I hope you find it to be the truth, when the time of the end comes. God Bless
1/16/2008 6:55:04 PM	People who have gone to heaven and hell and came back
lastradicaldude Lamar, CO age: 53	frombre you posted, Elise, I admire your courage and determination, however I would like you to remember about casting your pearls and where you cast them. God is not mocked, people might survive with it for a time, but as we sow, so shall we reap. This Natural law has been set up since the beginning of creation, no person on earth can change it, as much as he might try to, Pigs will still be born as pigs and wolves will still be born as wolves, only God can change that. Now frombre, you find yourself half-arse apologisiing to tat. But it wasn't tat, it was me, that you spoke these veiled remarks to. And don't try to say you weren't either calling us unbelievers or thinking us unbelievers as common swine either. It was Jesus who is reported to have instructed you regarding "Casting your pearls before Swine". Look, it is clear what he meant, you know it, I know it. And it was clear what you also meant when you said it. You see frombre, some of us know as much and probably much more of the Bible than you girls do. So if you choose to live by the principle of the pearls, that is one thing. When you make it publicly known that you are using that principle to avoid disclosing something to an unbeliever, it pretty much shows up your intelligence. Of course, with a little more intelligence you wouldn't confuse yourself on who said what, and neither would you buy into the absurdities that you consider to be Truth. Lastrad [Edited 1/16/2008 6:57:14 PM]

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