| 1/11/2008 3:08:27 PM |
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elise7
Calgary, AB
age: 38
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lastra,
can you carefully read the thread, i answered your your 3 questions
elise
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| 1/11/2008 3:12:41 PM |
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elise7
Calgary, AB
age: 38
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tat,
You like any person here are very callous in your heart. Truly, if you read Joseph and Pharaoh's stories, why do you want to play God and ask a lot of questions, in which you've already known the answer.
You really want to be like Pharoah, right. It took him 10 plagues to obey and realize that God is God and he is just a creation. Talking about ungratefulness.
elise7
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| 1/11/2008 3:21:08 PM |
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elise7
Calgary, AB
age: 38
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skunk,
I don't have problem with science. I noticed that when it comes to God you people are justifying God's existence human understanding called science. Never mind the Bible right. Even science has been invented by God himself. We don't realize that every living things here on earth started with the creation of God in Genesis. Give God the credit in all of these. This is His creation, we are just stewards of it. It doesn't mean that we have to give more importance on science than God himself. Or even grasp the knowledge of science in replacement for our belief in God. Let's go back and applaud our Creator not too much on creation. Science is not comparable to God. They are temporary knowledge and capable of mistakes, changeable whereas God is the God who never changes. I'd rather put my confidence in God than in man.
elise7
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| 1/11/2008 3:22:25 PM |
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missette
Knoxville, TN
age: 65
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Thanks for telling me I am senseless that put me another reward in heaven. 
Thanks for telling me I wasn't intelligent==another reward in heaven.
You can't fool me storm The devil done the same thing to Jesus. he used the Word back at him .The devil didn't have sense enough to know he was talking to the Word(JESUS)
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| 1/11/2008 3:28:39 PM |
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elise7
Calgary, AB
age: 38
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lasta,
you claimed to be a Bible believing person, but do you actually look at yourself and compare to what God's standard is. Does Bill Weise testimony contradicts with what the Bible is saying about hell. That's the whole reason why even people who said they've read their Bible and not even consider the consequences of their sins are still bound to hell because they don't like to repent and turn from their sinful ways. Even if you don't believe Bill Weise testimony, others will because they believe in God.
In your 3 question, it seems that you haven't really grasp the meaning of the Gospel - the Gospel - the Good News - because people will inherit eternal life thru Jesus Christ redemptive works on the cross.
elise7
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| 1/11/2008 3:31:22 PM |
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elise7
Calgary, AB
age: 38
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tat,
and you tat, maybe take a look at your life in light of what the Bible is saying. Instead of insulting people's insights, why don't you start digging your Sunday school lessons and learn from it.
Keep on denying God, if that is your choice for it's not my responsibility anymore.
elise7
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| 1/11/2008 3:42:17 PM |
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stormbay
Tasmania
Australia
age: 62
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If you can also visit www.spiritlessons.com about different testimonies who have gone to heaven and came back. I volunteer as a cd burner to distribute them worldwide - am representing Canada, fyi.
First you hit the rewind button of your minds automatic answering machine, then you make a ludicrous statement like this.
Give God the credit in all of these. This is His creation, we are just stewards of it.
Now in this statement, we have all the proof we need. God gave stewardship of the earth to his subjects and aren't you doing a great job of looking after it. Collapsing environment, gods followers waging war around the planet, gods followers enslaving the life forms of the planet for their own greed, pleasure and genocidal tendencies. I doubt elise, you could make sense in any way whatsoever, on any subject as you put yourself above the scientists of the world as having superior understanding than them. Your a perfect psychopathic clone for primitive fear and superstition, brain dead.  
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| 1/11/2008 3:45:48 PM |
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lastradicaldude
Lamar, CO
age: 53
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Elise to my first question of 1. Now if Heaven was such a happy, perfect and blissful place, then how could or why would such perfect Creations such as Satan (and a third of the angels) rebel against it? you then responded.
First, satan is a perfect angel, and God was pleased with him as they worship God in heaven. Why such rebellion, Satan (or the snake) is envious and jealous of God's close relationship with Adam and Eve which led him to use and deceive them by saying that if they eat the fruit of the tree of life - they too will become like God well in fact he is actually talking about himself here. Because satan would like to be worshipped too like God. His ignorance of God really put him in a position as enemy of God eternally forever.
You first attempt to explain that "Satan is a perfect angel. Then you go on to say that 'Satan or the snake is envious and jealous of God's close relationship with Adam and Eve".
How could Satan be a perfectly created being, perfect in all his ways, and at the same time engage in envy and jeolousy?
Did his perfection devolve?
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| 1/11/2008 3:49:04 PM |
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lastradicaldude
Lamar, CO
age: 53
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Now Elise, don't go spreading rumors about me believing in the Bible. Why would you think such?
I do believe in the Creator. But I am not convinced that he is the God that is portrayed in the Bible.
Lastrad
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| 1/11/2008 3:49:53 PM |
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elise7
Calgary, AB
age: 38
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missette,
as much as i love you too and God, i belive that these guys here in the forum are needed to be saved by the claws of satan. They don't know that they are gambling their souls to satan. That they are headed to hell if they don't listen and wake up. They don't even realize that satan is trying to adopt them now and from what i saw they are willing to follow his leading. What a sad, sad destiny. Hell is forever, it's too late to repent when a person finds himself into it. God can do nothing about it. So the only hope is while we are still alive and can choose life or death. Even God is crying because people doesn't want to listen to His Words and Warnings. They don't like to accept His unconditional love. I believe that God's compassion and love towards us is forever.
Thank God for you missette,
elise7
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| 1/11/2008 3:56:05 PM |
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elise7
Calgary, AB
age: 38
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lastra,
Now this answers my greatest doubts about you citing the Bible.
elise7
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| 1/11/2008 3:58:58 PM |
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stormbay
Tasmania
Australia
age: 62
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as much as i love you too and God, i belive that these guys here in the forum are needed to be saved by the claws of satan. They don't know that they are gambling their souls to satan. That they are headed to hell if they don't listen and wake up. They don't even realize that satan is trying to adopt them now and from what i saw they are willing to follow his leading. What a sad, sad destiny.
But they do know when we see a paranoid psychopath,
saved by the claws of satan
, now that sure make sense, just like everything else you post.
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| 1/11/2008 5:26:05 PM |
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skunkbreath
Saint James, MO
age: 88
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elise, you make no sense with your logic. Your mind seems to wander about prattling to
itself, oblivious to the contradictions coming out of it. Love uses fear to draw evil
people to it!!..nonsense!...Why would light use darkness?..Holy desperation????
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| 1/11/2008 5:30:55 PM |
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jewelz5
Monteagle, TN
age: 53 online now!
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I cannot love anyone if I hate myself.
That is the reason why we feel so extremely uncomfortable in the presence of people who are noted for their special virtuousness,
....for they radiate an atmosphere of the torture they inflict on themselves.
That is not a virtue but a vice.
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| 1/11/2008 5:38:56 PM |
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lastradicaldude
Lamar, CO
age: 53
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The only reason that I posted the Bible verses before was to show that Jesus said one could not go to hell and back out again.
I never claimed to believe the Bible as I am aware of too many mistakes in it for it to be the Word of God.
Elise you posted earlier,
What a sad, sad destiny. Hell is forever, it's too late to repent when a person finds himself into it. God can do nothing about it. So the only hope is while we are still alive and can choose life or death. Even God is crying because people doesn't want to listen to His Words and Warnings.
If what you and Bill are saying about hell is true, and if God honestly wants to spare everyone from the pit of hell then it would be an easy matter for him to show everyone a glimpse of hell and make believers out of them all.
In fact if he had done that for Satan in the beginning then we wouldn't have all this mess according to the Bible.
Or just thinking, maybe if God hadn't allowed envy and jealousy to exist in heaven, then Satan would have never been influenced to rebel.
But then if God gave us all a glimpse of heaven and hell, then we would not be able to accept the message by blind faith.
In that event only those who have seen heaven and hell are getting the free pass to heaven by knowledge as versus making the trip by faith..
Now if God is going to allow all the Bills of the world to believe as a result of a personal experience of actually experiencing hell, then that would make God a respector of persons with respect to all those he throws in hell who never saw it personally and doubted its existence.
That is why I am still waiting for you to answer my question in the post above where I responded to your response to my three questions.
Lastrad
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