People who have gone to heaven and hell and came back 211

1/11/2008 5:58:59 PM	People who have gone to heaven and hell and came back
missette Knoxville, TN age: 65	People who disagree should disagree kindly to each other. If any one including me don't like what any one is saying we can just stay off the forum a while till it cools off. We shouldn't call each other names. No one makes us get on here.It is such a joy for me to talk about the Lord.I wouldn't want to hurt anyone on here. But now the truth will stand when the world is on fire,a lot are looking for the truth but wouldn't know it if it hit you in the top of the head. There is only 2 ways that count.--Heaven or Hell--which one are you taking? God or satan --which one is your father? Saved or Lost.---Which one are you? A beleiver or non beleiver. There's no in between. Hot or cold.--If your lukewarm he'll spue you out. If i get to the end of my life and find out i was wrong what reading i did here is not going to hurt me.But and i said (but),if i get to the end of my life and i find out i'm right (Which i know i'm right the Bible says if we have hope in this life only were of men most miserable). I KNOW THERE ARE SOME ON HERE THAT DON'T BELEIVE AND SURELY DON'T WANT ME TO PRAY FOR YOU.But and i said but you can't stop me and i will pray for you because i love you. God Bless ---Missette
1/11/2008 6:25:49 PM	People who have gone to heaven and hell and came back
elise7 Calgary, AB age: 38	skunk, It's because you don't even want to hear the truth about God. All you do is talking about science with nothing to offer when it comes to the salvation of man's souls. OPEN YOUR EYES to the truth. If you cannot accept the topic in this thread, you are also free to leave the discussion, why is it so difficult for you to accept God and His authority over us. WE ARE NOT GOD. WE ARE ONLY HUMAN BEING CREATED BY GOD. HE is Sovereign and eternal whereas people are sinners. Now if you don't believe these, it's your own will, nothing i can do about. If you want discussion about science to prove your point, form your own thread, then let other people respond to it. The topic here is man's destiny when he die and those that has been given to come back after they've got a glimpse of heaven and hell. Bill Weise in www.spiritlessons.com - why do you think he keeps on preaching about God's coming and the punishment of hell, it's because life here is very short. We don't even have a slightest control over it. elise7
1/11/2008 6:29:19 PM	People who have gone to heaven and hell and came back
elise7 Calgary, AB age: 38	lastra, so how do you describe the God that you know apart from the Bible. elise7
1/11/2008 6:30:32 PM	People who have gone to heaven and hell and came back
missette Knoxville, TN age: 65	1. Now if Heaven was such a happy, perfect and blissful place, then how could or why would such perfect Creations such as Satan (and a third of the angels) rebel against it? 2. And if everything in the earthly paradise was perfect, then how could or why would God cast Satan down to earth to either decieve or allow him to decieve his perfect human Creations living there? 3. Wouldn't God have been able to foresee the inevitable necessity of casting many of his beloved human Creations into hell if they were decieved into following Satan? I don't understand this. Lastrad 1.Satan rebeled because he wanted to be God. God showed him he kicked him and a third part of his angles out of heaven.Satan was the highest angle in heaven he was also handsome.God loved him very much.Now if God kicked him out for disobediance guess what he'll do to us if we don't obey. 2.I've not read where the place where satan was in heaven that it was perfect .I have read the place where Jesus has gone to prepare is going to be perfect.The city that lays four squre.The New Jersalem.God put adam and eve out of the garden of paradise.At that time satan could go before God and accuse the people down here.Garden of paradise is where the first sin down here started .Thats why they were put out. 3.Las--When hell was made it wasn't made for us.Gods word has been written and he will never chage it.So when a lot of the children turned their backs on him like they are today he went and enlarged the borders of hell because there was so many going there.(Because he won't change his word)If a sinner dies today,today he will be in hell with the devil and his angles, all the demons and all those who has forgot God.If a christain dies today today he will be in the bossom of abraham (the land of rest)This now is not my opinion but the word of God.God Bless ---Missette
1/11/2008 6:44:45 PM	People who have gone to heaven and hell and came back
elise7 Calgary, AB age: 38	skunk Now in this statement, we have all the proof we need. God gave stewardship of the earth to his subjects and aren't you doing a great job of looking after it. Collapsing environment, gods followers waging war around the planet, gods followers enslaving the life forms of the planet for their own greed, pleasure and genocidal tendencies. I doubt elise, you could make sense in any way whatsoever, on any subject as you put yourself above the scientists of the world as having superior understanding than them. Your a perfect psychopathic clone for primitive fear and superstition, brain dead. You call people who firmly believe in God and the Bible delusional, superior, psychopat, has a primitive mindset, superstitious. Is this all the best that you've got skunk. Satan and his dominion is applauding you right now, keep on defending them and you'll be gladly welcome by them. Bear in mind though, that satan is trying to deceive like what he did to Adam and Eve. If you keep on believing on satan's lies, he will try to manipulate your brain and inject thoughts in your minds that are displeasing to God. You trust in this world so much that you loses your perception on what life is all about. You keep on battling against God's Word and His authority over your soul. You're not showing even a slightest respect and awe before a Holy God who created you. You are only a dust, breathed by God for your information. Even ancient people in the Old Testament believed in God. They are even older than you. They've lived 100 or more years. And yet they trusted God. The Bible is the living proof whether you admit it or not. It is going to stand even when others don't believe in its testimony. I wonder maybe you belong to an anti-God movement there in Australia. Hmmmmmmm elise7
1/11/2008 6:45:54 PM	People who have gone to heaven and hell and came back
bucktail Poynette, WI age: 46	felt like i wanted to go to heaven once [Edited 1/11/2008 6:46:10 PM]
1/11/2008 6:54:29 PM	People who have gone to heaven and hell and came back
missette Knoxville, TN age: 65	Buck--Please get that feel like back cause there's just one more place left to go and you sure don't want to go there the boogie man lives there (Smile)
1/11/2008 7:11:04 PM	People who have gone to heaven and hell and came back
lastradicaldude Lamar, CO age: 53	Elise you posted, so how do you describe the God that you know apart from the Bible. If you are truly interested in what I believe then read the thread, Would the right to engage in one's freewill benefit God or Satan more? that I posted some time ago. As for now, let's not change subjects, I am still waiting for you to answer my questions in the two posts above on page 14 of this thread. In response to my first question, 1. Now if Heaven was such a happy, perfect and blissful place, then how could or why would such perfect Creations such as Satan (and a third of the angels) rebel against it? You first attempted to explain that "Satan is a perfect angel. Then you go on to say that ''Satan or the snake is envious and jealous of God's close relationship with Adam and Eve". So again I ask, "How could Satan be a perfectly created being, perfect in all his ways, and at the same time engage in envy and jeolousy? " Did his state of perfection devolve? Lastrad
1/11/2008 7:11:18 PM	People who have gone to heaven and hell and came back
elise7 Calgary, AB age: 38	lastra, you said: If what you and Bill are saying about hell is true, and if God honestly wants to spare everyone from the pit of hell then it would be an easy matter for him to show everyone a glimpse of hell and make believers out of them all. In fact if he had done that for Satan in the beginning then we wouldn't have all this mess according to the Bible. Or just thinking, maybe if God hadn't allowed envy and jealousy to exist in heaven, then Satan would have never been influenced to rebel. But then if God gave us all a glimpse of heaven and hell, then we would not be able to accept the message by blind faith. In that event only those who have seen heaven and hell are getting the free pass to heaven by knowledge as versus making the trip by faith.. Now if God is going to allow all the Bills of the world to believe as a result of a personal experience of actually experiencing hell, then that would make God a respector of persons with respect to all those he throws in hell who never saw it personally and doubted its existence. That is why I am still waiting for you to answer my question in the post above where I responded to your response to my three questions WE don't have any control over this. Only God has the answer to your questions. Personally, i don't know why God showed the vision to Bill Weise, even Bill himself was wondering why him. The bottom line is God is trying to reach out to people in any possible means, in dreams, in vision, thru pastors, people, the Bible and even situations. And also, people die every seconds and a lot of people are bound to hell. That's why there is an urgency to preach the Gospel to people so that they will realize that hell do exists. Instead of questioning God about these, let's just try our best to learn and share His Word to others so that God will be glorified and so that we can help save others from the dangers of hell. God made 2 different scenarios or reaching out to people. 1. I believe people are saved thru faith Ephesians 2:8-9 For by grace you have been saved thru faith, it is not of yourselves, it is a gift from God so that no one can boast. 2. Maybe God decided to literally showed to Bill Weise the burning hell, because most people today are willing to believe unless there is an evidence or a testimony. The opposite of believing by faith. The point here is God is really trying his best to reach out to us in any ways. That's just how He is, loving and merciful God. How can you resist such unconditional love and its eternal. But others choose not to believe. elise7
1/11/2008 7:53:45 PM	People who have gone to heaven and hell and came back
lastradicaldude Lamar, CO age: 53	Missette you posted in response to my question, Now if Heaven was such a happy, perfect and blissful place, then how could or why would such perfect Creations such as Satan (and a third of the angels) rebel against it? 1.Satan rebeled because he wanted to be God. God showed him he kicked him and a third part of his angles out of heaven.Satan was the highest angle in heaven he was also handsome.God loved him very much.Now if God kicked him out for disobediance guess what he'll do to us if we don't obey. In a state of heavenly perfection jealousy and envy could not exist. If Satan wanted to be God, then it is clear that he was not perfect, and neither was his love for God perfect. And the same must have been true for the other angels that joined him. Where did this dis-satisfaction with heaven come from? What perfect angelic being could be dis-satisfied with heaven? And if these angels were not perfect, then why were they created imperfect? Did the Creator have a problem creating them perfect? How could Heaven be in a state of perfection at the time Satan rebelled? If such a rebellion ever occured there was some evil influence that fostered the rebellion. Who was ultimately responsible for allowing the presence of this evil influence in Heaven? Missette, as far as you second and third comments, If you will look at the questions closely you will see that you have not addressed either question. But until you can address the first question satisfactorily the others really don't matter as they follow the first. Lastrad
1/11/2008 8:14:26 PM	People who have gone to heaven and hell and came back
stringsvrs Syracuse, NY age: 51	Sister Missette and Brother Last How could Heaven be in a state of perfection at the time Satan rebelled? If such a rebellion ever occured there was some evil influence that fostered the rebellion. Who was ultimately responsible for allowing the presence of this evil influence in Heaven? Missette, as far as you second and third comments, If you will look at the questions closely you will see that you have not addressed either question. But until you can address the first question satisfactorily the others really don't matter as they follow the first. Lastrad In response to the discussion the two of you are having : Lucifer wanted to be exulted and glorified as the Eternal Creator/God was receiving exultation and glorification. To be as God and not God. Through envy and jealousy Lucifer wrought anger and coveted in his heart. Perfection was/is and always will be a state of existence in all of creation. The lack of controlling one's feelings and emotions resound with the cause and effect of actions. The wavelets of the actions reproduce the negative/positive results. To induce perception of imperfection from our perspective is not truly granted to us since we are not creators of that realm. However, in this realm in which we do exist; we are able to control the feelings and emotions of ourselves. The pictorial action of the Heavenly Rebellion is a guide for us to choose what we do with our lives here, which pave the way for our return there.
1/11/2008 9:03:27 PM	People who have gone to heaven and hell and came back
lastradicaldude Lamar, CO age: 53	Elise you posted earlier, Unless Jesus Christ is in your heart and life, then you'll be able to understand Spiritual things. Now you say, Only God has the answer to your questions. So it appears that the truth of the matter is that even those who claim Jesus still do not understand these spiritual things. The reason that these questions are so important is that the answers to them are foundational to the credibility of the Bible itself. Years ago when I believed the Bible to be the Word of God I just blindly accepted every word written therein. I believed then that the answers to life were contained in the Bible. As I searched for those answers I discovered that the Bible created more questions than it answered. But now that I no longer think like a child, I question everything. It is my creator who gifted me with this ability to question. Therefore I am confident that I am called to use the gift. You posted, Instead of questioning God about these, let's just try our best to learn and share His Word to others so that God will be glorified and so that we can help save others from the dangers of hell. Unless questions like the ones I posed are answered for me, I find it difficult to accept the fabulous tales of heaven and hell laid out in the Bible and by the Bills of the world. Does that make me an evil person because I will not accept what are absurdities on their face? Now you finally post, Maybe God decided to literally showed to Bill Weise the burning hell, because most people today are willing to believe unless there is an evidence or a testimony. The opposite of believing by faith. Your use of "Maybe" reveals your unsurety about all of these fabulous claims made by the Bible and by Bill. The reason I say this is because you first say that we are save by faith but then you make an allowance for someone to enter heaven and escape hell by firsthand knowledge of its existence which is far from a trip of faith. So unless you can explain the absurdities of the tale of the fall of Satan, then nothing else is really relevant. Also think about this. As parents of children we are quick to warn our children of the dangers of drugs, gangs, thieves, ect. So why is that Adam and Eve were not thoroughly warned about the decieving nature of the Serpent. That episode of history could have been avoided, if it ever happened in the first place. But believers in the Scriptures cannot afford to examine the mistakes or absurdities that the Bible is full of. Lastrad
1/11/2008 11:13:39 PM	People who have gone to heaven and hell and came back
missette Knoxville, TN age: 65	Las--God didn't create us to sin he thought we would love him enought not to sin.(He was looking for love) He would walk with adam in the cool of the evening,so how do we know what he talked over with him?God didn't create satan to rise up and want his power either .Show me the scripture in the Bible where it says every one in heaven was created perfect.Jesus said there was no one perfect but God.not even him (Jesus),as Elise7 said God was just looking for unconditionly love.You know if we loved God he would give us the desires of our heart. The reason we don't have the desires of our hearts is because most of us always keep a piece of our heart for ourselves,and that don't work with God .He said the minute you give me your whole heart i will be found with you.We have not because we ask not and when we do ask we don't beleive we're going to get it any way.I'm still working on being the kind of person God wants me to be.What say you.
1/12/2008 9:11:25 AM	People who have gone to heaven and hell and came back
elise7 Calgary, AB age: 38	lastra, you asked: So why is that Adam and Eve were not thoroughly warned about the decieving nature of the Serpent. That episode of history could have been avoided, if it ever happened in the first place. But believers in the Scriptures cannot afford to examine the mistakes or absurdities that the Bible is full of. Adam and Eve were warned by God, they can eat of the fruite of the tree of knowledge of good and evil by God or they will die (spiritually). But they choose to disobey. lastra you said: That episode of history could have been avoided, if it ever happened in the first place All of the things in this world are pre-determined by God. God's hand was upon that event to show God's plan of redemption to us. See: Genesis 41:32 on Pharoahs dreams for the second time: The reason why Pharoah had the same dream twice is that the event is already,determined by God, and God will shortly bring it about. elise7
1/12/2008 9:12:03 AM	People who have gone to heaven and hell and came back
kellytoo Moses Lake, WA age: 57	Upper Me Written by Eric Woolfson and Alan Parsons The Ego and the Id. The time has come the wild one said When we must all decide We cannot carry on this way And so we must divide The road before us runs both ways So which one do you choose But all will not go well if you refuse What becomes of the upper me when the fire burns in my mind How can I leave my Ego behind I return to another me or I lose the will to survive How can I keep my hero alive It seems to me the wise one said That mountains are so high The river is too deep to cross And none of us can fly But I believe that compromise Is what is needed here Or surely we become the things we fear But the good in me don't wanna believe That the evil me is so And a voice somewhere said do as you please But the upper me said no, no, no, no, no, no What becomes of the upper me when the fire burns in my mind How can I leave my Ego behind I return to another me or I lose the will to survive How can I keep my hero alive To survive How can I keep my hero alive

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