People who have gone to heaven and hell and came back 241

1/13/2008 11:06:54 AM	People who have gone to heaven and hell and came back
elise7 Calgary, AB age: 38	lastra, First of all you don't know what God are you serving. You don't believe that God in the Bible is the One true God that created earth. I am confuse who's God are you talking about here. Is it the God from the Bible or the God that you know. We have a different perception of who God is in this discussion in the first place. God has the right to judge us because He created us, and He has all the right to our lives. We are just stewards of such life. And if we are not careful enough for that privileges then we can lose that privileges. If He decided to kill the born babies in the Old testament during Pharoah's time because of his stubborn will God can create mankind again, unlike us we don't have such power. The thing here in this forum is some people just don't exactly know their boundaries before God. That's why it's so important to know God and know our limitations. That we have to submit before Him. Even our reasonings and minds are limited He's not. He's powerful and we can only have power thru God and people which can be taken away anytime. Unlike God, His power is endless. No is giving that power to Him. Because He's is the Power and the source of it. Even our searching and questions about God is limited and has ending. Sometimes we don't know why we are in a situation that we don't wanna be in, but God is Sovereign, He knows what is going to happen. elise7
1/13/2008 11:16:19 AM	People who have gone to heaven and hell and came back
lastradicaldude Lamar, CO age: 53	Elise did you say all that IN ORDER to NOT SAY how old you were when someone first told you that the Bible was the Word of God? Cant you just tell us how old were you when someone first told you that the bible was the Word of God? And how old were you when you first believed it? Lastrad [Edited 1/13/2008 11:17:18 AM]
1/13/2008 11:25:17 AM	People who have gone to heaven and hell and came back
elise7 Calgary, AB age: 38	tat, Don't even challenge and play satan. Satan can deceive you which he already proved during Adam and Eve's time. He is a very sneaky creature. Only those who are in Christ can declare war over satan. And you cannot win satan in your own ways and effort. No one can and will, except by believing in the victory of Jesus Christ done on the cross. Acts 1:8 says, You shall receive when the Holy Spirit comes upon you. You'll be my witnesses in Judea, Samaria and the uttermost part of the earth. Only Christians who believe and accept Jesus Christ in their hearts are given the power. Why witnesses, because as Christians, we are going to witness God's powerful hand on those we lay our hands to and those we has been healed thru prayers in the name of Jesus Christ. If you notice that if you submit to God and accept His authority for your life, is the only time that you can challenge satan. Even then, satan is going to challenge on Christians rather than unbelievers. Because satan knew that unbelievers are already his. Satan owns them. So satan's challenge is with Christians who decided to follow God and accept His Lordship in their lives. If satan can win back Christians who are followers of Christ in any possible means he will do so. But God will always protect his children from satan's schemes as long as they will submit to God. Christians are a true challenge to satan and his dominion. I am not wondering that even if you challenge satan now, and you don't see anything, because he already own you and your minds are already his. Because that's how you decide your life is. Satan is not only a devil, he can manifest in any forms. He can manifest as a loving person, but actually denying the power of God in his life, satan can also mask as a respectable and knowledgeable person but denying God in his life and in so many more ways. If you are really wise, you will ask God in your life and let Him rule over you. elise7 elise7
1/13/2008 11:35:25 AM	People who have gone to heaven and hell and came back
stormbay Tasmania Australia age: 62	Last recorded answering machine can't answer with sense, they just replay ad nauseam.
1/13/2008 11:35:36 AM	People who have gone to heaven and hell and came back
lastradicaldude Lamar, CO age: 53	Elise you posted, If you are really wise, you will ask God in your life and let Him rule over you. Is God's loving provision of heaven for those he loves unconditionally ony available to those who meet his conditions? Lastrad
1/13/2008 11:42:56 AM	People who have gone to heaven and hell and came back
elise7 Calgary, AB age: 38	storm, I already know that you do not belong to God. You have proven that all the time. Keep on insulting God if that would make you happy and content. The truth is you'll never be happy and content whether you admit it or not. You are a true Psychopath yourself, because your'e fooling yourself that God doesn't exists. Satan and hid dominion are having a blast right now. They are even, laughing, mocking at you right now. They are celebrating your insults towards God and his people. Bear in mind, satan is at your side right now, at the end of your life, he is going to betray your faith towards him. Satan is a very sneaky creature. The reason why you never stopped this non-sense arguments, because you cannot convince people to believe your opinion about God. Some people here at least show respect for God, but you don't have such knowledge at all. elise7 All you want to do is argue with your senseless and pointless words which are all rubbish and a waste of time.
1/13/2008 11:48:02 AM	People who have gone to heaven and hell and came back
lastradicaldude Lamar, CO age: 53	Elise, sweetheart, I truly hope you don't consider my words senseless and pointless, as you appear to do Storm's. If you do, tell me and I will try to simplify them for you and anyone else who may consider them senseless? Lastrad [Edited 1/13/2008 11:49:50 AM]
1/13/2008 11:53:12 AM	People who have gone to heaven and hell and came back
elise7 Calgary, AB age: 38	lastra, John 3;16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only Son that whosoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life. God's love is free for all of us. It is unconditional. Any person can come to God freely and He will accept us. We have a free will to choose to respond to His love or not. "Whosoever" means only those people who would like to believe and accept God's promised has eternal life. elise7
1/13/2008 11:55:59 AM	People who have gone to heaven and hell and came back
elise7 Calgary, AB age: 38	storm, the reason i keep on repeating this message to you is because you cannot understand the meaning of God and His Gospel. It seems that even if i repeat them to you over and over again, you like Pharoah have a stubborn will. I think you'll be needing 10 plagues to wake your strayed minds and will. elise7
1/13/2008 11:59:51 AM	People who have gone to heaven and hell and came back
elise7 Calgary, AB age: 38	lastra, i know that you have the capability to understand the Bible. And searching for God's answer thru the Bible is a true sign of a seeking heart. All of us are learning in this topic and about God. I just hope that we can also learn from our mistakes. elise7
1/13/2008 12:03:09 PM	People who have gone to heaven and hell and came back
lastradicaldude Lamar, CO age: 53	Elise I did that "Whosoever" John 3: 16 stuff years ago. As bad as I wanted it to work, it just didn't last. Does that mean I am going to hell? Lastrad
1/13/2008 12:10:26 PM	People who have gone to heaven and hell and came back
lastradicaldude Lamar, CO age: 53	Elise you posted, lastra, i know that you have the capability to understand the Bible Now Elise, I dont want to insult God the creator as I do recognize the existence of our Creator. I am just not so sure that the true Creator is the same one that is portrayed in the Bible. That is why I have questions for people like you who seem so sure that you know the Bible is true. Now if I don't get my questions answered here in this life, and you happen to be right, at least I will have a few simple questions for your God. Would your God, the God of the Bible send the mentally retarded to hell forever? If I am so retarded that I can not even understand the answers to simple questions like the ones I have posed to you, then I should get a free pass too. Don't you think? You see I don't think I should be required to Believe the Bible if it doesn't make enough sense that I can understand it. Do you? Lastrad
1/13/2008 12:19:36 PM	People who have gone to heaven and hell and came back
lastradicaldude Lamar, CO age: 53	Again Elise you posted, lastra, i know that you have the capability to understand the Bible I guess I don't understand how you can say you "know" that, about me. That's some judgment call. How old were you when you had the capability to understand the Bible? And again how old were you when someone told you the bible was the Word of God? Are these two questions a secret part of your life or are they too hard to answer? Lastrad
1/13/2008 12:38:07 PM	People who have gone to heaven and hell and came back
tat2big1 Crescent City, CA age: 34	ELISE7 ------- Can you PLEASE have a normal coversation without using the words God, Bible, Jesus or Satan? Is that too much to ask?
1/13/2008 12:43:27 PM	People who have gone to heaven and hell and came back
skunkbreath Saint James, MO age: 88	elise, i leave for a time and come back to find this from you,"The topic here is man's destiny when he die and those that has been given to come back after they've got a glimpse of heaven and hell." Yes, i understand what the topic is...I have also pointed out what i discern that your agenda is. I do not see that science or logic is outside the topic. You may have perverted science and logic to conform to your agenda, and can not see that.As is see from your replies, logic is not one of your strong suits, and your faith's manifestation is irrational as well. Your presentation is not one that will work outside the cult or simple minded, though it may be exactly what your god requires. If your god is the biggest, meanest, and most evolved god, then we are all lost, even his deceived, you and your ilk. on page 15, you post,"skunk Now in this statement, we have all the proof we need. God gave stewardship of the earth to his subjects and aren't you doing a great job of looking after it. Collapsing environment,-" In your hysterical state, you confused me with someone else. Although i mostly agree with that staement, i ask that you undo your confusion and give credit where it is due. I will not address you again unless to answer. There is nothing else that i have a need to say, except to invite you to go biking on a trail and enjoy the views...

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