You got that right, you are both wack jobs.

You've disagreed on a few things together and that alone makes it laughable.

It is obvious to anyone, the whisper Bush got in his ear was that the towers had been hit. There was no need for any sign as 57 claims, Bush Snr didn't know anything about the surprise attacks that day, so unable to brief his son and tell him he was safe.

Then of course, one wonders how on earth did Bush Snr even know of this plot?

Here's TWO tiny ones that PROVE 9/11 was a damn hoax.

Show me JUST ONE plane crash on land in past history where there are NO bodies, NO luggage, NO plane wreckage and NO fuel igniting and where the whole damn plane disappears into a 12 foot diameter hole and i will show you a PENTACON!!!!! This one alone should get you disgraces to the mentally retarded community to start asking questions

Here's TWO tiny ones that PROVE 9/11 was a damn hoax.

Show me JUST ONE plane crash on land in past history where there are NO bodies, NO luggage, NO plane wreckage and NO fuel igniting and where the whole damn plane disappears into a 12 foot diameter hole and i will show you a PENTACON!!!!! This one alone should get you disgraces to the mentally retarded community to start asking questions

Show me JUST ONE plane crash in past history where the plane crashes into the earth and the earth sucks up both wings, the whole f**kin fuselage as well as both titanium engines as well as the complete tail section. In other words, THE WHOLE F**KIN PLANE is swallowed up as well as ALL BODIES,ALL LUGGAGE and ALL SEATS. Come on shills, don't be shy since you have all the facts on your side so lets see it. SHOW US JUST ONE PAST WRECKAGE OR FOREVER SHUT THE HELL UP!!!!!

Much like the plane wreckage found at the WTC's, Pentagon, and Shanksville, there are plenty examples of plane crashes having left nothing discernible as far as wreckage or passengers. JUST ONE more recent example could be the Germanwings crash in March of this year. Linky...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-03-24/first-images-germanwings-crash-debris-emerge-white-house-says-no-indication-terroris

And seeings how you continually fail to add so much as an ounce of evidence supporting your redundant claims, allow me to produce a short line-up of the most common "truther" tactics.

List of the most common "truther tactics"...

1) Truther discovers* a single stand alone factor which the said truther cannot explain (eg thermite or allegations of thermite in dust, possible, although unsubstantiated, pre-knowledge of a 911 attack, etc etc);
2) Truther says "there was [an anomaly which I cannot explain...eg thermite or all of the above;
3) THEREFORE "CD" AND "Inside Job"***;
4) You prove it wasn't****.

So I caught your bullshitting again. I know you're babbling on about the exit hole, but you're pretending to be unaware of the façade and interior damage.

I can wait for you to learn more on the subject.



How's the evidence for your former unresolved claims coming along?

Show us the BODIES. Show us the JETFUEL. Show us the BIG JET ENGINES. Show us the HUGE F**KIN WINGS. Show us the MASSIVE FUSELAGE or shit, show us the god damn TAIL SECTION. Since you DUMB F**KS CAN SHOW ME NONE OF IT, just show me ONE GOD DAMN PIECE OF LUGGAGE at the PENTACON!!!!! And don't dare fantasize showing me something i could hide inside my shorts because i'm not a dumb f**k like you morons.

Logic not your strong point, Chick? Jesus, what a f**kup of lies and misrepresentation.

Ok.

a) DNA recovered

b) Luggage recovered

c) The engines were recovered

d) There was ample wreckage for AA77

e) The fuel clearly ignited upon impact as the Citgo footage demonstrates.

The interior of the Pentagon post ATTACK:





AA77:





Your claims aren't consistent with the reality.

(Short) Case study of Pentagon flight 77...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVDdjLQkUV8

And, a little more regarding the theory that anything other than flight 77 struck the Pentagon...

http://11-settembre.blogspot.com/2008/05/why-pentagon-damage-is-incompatible.html

Quote from article > "We will not waste time discussing the size of the hole on the outer face, since it is obvious that anyone claiming that there is a single hole 3-5 meters (9-15 ft) wide is talking nonsense."

As for the thermite not found at the WTC's, it was already addressed much earlier in this thread. I suggest YOU take the time to go back over it. and if you can produce any evidence to the contrary, please submit it instead of wasting everyone's time.

(Short) Case study of Pentagon flight 77...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVDdjLQkUV8

And, a little more regarding the theory that anything other than flight 77 struck the Pentagon...

http://11-settembre.blogspot.com/2008/05/why-pentagon-damage-is-incompatible.html

Quote from article > "We will not waste time discussing the size of the hole on the outer face, since it is obvious that anyone claiming that there is a single hole 3-5 meters (9-15 ft) wide is talking nonsense."

As for the thermite not found at the WTC's, it was already addressed much earlier in this thread. I suggest YOU take the time to go back over it. and if you can produce any evidence to the contrary, please submit it instead of wasting everyone's time.

I can see what you're babbling about now. Look to the right and note the stack of timbers shoring up the roof. Now look at the timber you say isn't even sunburnt. Note how it resembles that of the timber in the stack. Now if you had a brain, you would realise that the timber you are braying on about is actually left over from the shoring up operation.



F**king time wasting bullshit from 9/11 truth as usual.

HMMM,Jet juel gets so damn hot to weaken steel enough to the point of making sky scrapers fall into their own footprint, but yet cannot completely singe/blacken the timbers supporting the upper floors of the pentacon? Seems to me there should be no recognizable wood timbers of the photo that you posted but instead ALL of the WOODEN timbers should be CHARCOALED. Excuse me for pointing that out to you brainless twits.

tell us how a career firefighter HAS NEVER encountered a ELECTRICAL SUB STATION FIRE before and he mistakes it for MOLTEN LAVA?????

Is that a joke?



A fire-fighter would not confuse a high-rise jet-fuelled fire with a volcanic eruption. The two are completely different.

9/11:



Volcanic eruption:



I know fire-fighters aren't that stupid and so do you. He was employing a simile. Do you know what a simile is? Here, let me help:


simile /'s?m?li/ noun: simile; plural noun: similes

a figure of speech involving the comparison of one thing with another thing of a different kind, used to make a description more emphatic or vivid (e.g. as brave as a lion ).
•the use of similes as a method of comparison.
"his audacious deployment of simile and metaphor"

The fire-fighter was obviously making a comparison.

a). You assumed the fire fighter had never seen it before, and he may not have, as there were many fire-fighters who were novices in that situation on the day. First time in history etc.

b). You have to demonstrate that the flowing material is NOT the copper from the substation as posited by experts previously.

I get why 911 truthers spend so much time exposing contradictions in the official story, but why would government apologists spend so much time defending their narrative? If all 911 conspiracy theories really were complete made up nonsense, why refute it at all? Doesn't the act of refuting it lend the movement credibility? I understand exactly why a paid shill would be motivated to make truthers look silly or stupid, but why would a regular Joe spend all day spreading sophistry that benefits the government?


People's beliefs about what happened on 911 are not based on evidence for the most part, if it were, they would be questioning all kinds of contradictions. Most people were propagandized into following the narrative, without ever questioning what they were told.


Until someone starts to question what they're told, all the evidence in the world won't convince them to see things differently.

It was Bush's press secretary Ari Flescher who held up a sign saying " Don't say anything " Bush is a scared little puppet awaiting orders from his master, and dint say or do anything.

Quote from naprinciple > (I get why 911 truthers spend so much time exposing contradictions in the official story, but why would government apologists spend so much time defending their narrative? If all 911 conspiracy theories really were complete made up nonsense, why refute it at all? Doesn't the act of refuting it lend the movement credibility? I understand exactly why a paid shill would be motivated to make truthers look silly or stupid, but why would a regular Joe spend all day spreading sophistry that benefits the government? People's beliefs about what happened on 911 are not based on evidence for the most part, if it were, they would be questioning all kinds of contradictions. Most people were propagandized into following the narrative, without ever questioning what they were told. Until someone starts to question what they're told, all the evidence in the world won't convince them to see things differently.)

^^^^^Agreed, but the government is convinced that they need these brainless twit shills to try and discredit us Truthers because they FEAR our numbers multiplying and they KNOW they have no grip on us anymore

higgy

b******* the nation was under attack Andrew card his chief of staff said a second plane had hit the World Trade Center the nation was under attack no one knew iften or 50 planes hadn't been hijacked at that time and one could have been heading toward Booker school it's the job of the Secret Service to grab the president get them on Air Force One and get the hell out of there that's what one secret service guy said we got to get out of here but was overridden by you to the top secret service guy or d*ck SHANY or Papa Bush himself so stick your f****** lame excuse up your ass

"The Pres. was going to address the press re the "accident". Given the news re the 2nd tower, I didn't think he should address the press yet."

"I wrote on back of a legal pad "DON'T SAY ANYTHING YET". I wanted him 2b briefed b4 talking. I put my back to the press & held up the sign."

So you see 57, he wasn't scared at all, his staff, quite correctly, didn't want him to speak to the press at that moment without a briefing of what actually happened that day.

It wouldn't matter WHO the President was on that day, they always go through a full briefing on the events before they are approached for a press reading.

Because many of the theories you've made up are just that... complete nonsense. What naprincipal is attempting to do here, is impose a double standard upon which should anyone question a truther, he hopes to relieve them of the responsibility of having to back up their claims with evidence. How this adds credibility to your so called "movement" is beyond me.

For your information, most the evidence i've posted in response to "truther's" was from the Italian blogspot http://11-settembre.blogspot.com/2007/04/english-section.html, which does not endorse the official version of 911. Instead, it endorses common sense and accurate fact-based unprejudiced research.

I'm just waiting for evidence of a conspiracy. It really shouldn't be that hard to find some if there really is a conspiracy. But so far, nothing. Only questions. And questions are not evidence of a conspiracy. It's evidence of a misunderstanding.

higgy

You can't tell every person in the SS, FBI, CIA, DOD, ATC, that 9-11 was gonna be an inside job. People do talk, they have family and friends, and the perps cannot go around killing all kinds of people in govt. agencies. They can't do it. The risk is way to high, and no time to replace all those people that know alot more than the civilians.

So the lower level SS feared for his life and said " Lets get out of here " which is a normal human reaction. Amazing that they didn't even go through the motions and get on AF1 immediately....isnt it. They waited 30-45 minutes before they did.......and if a terrorist was hiding in the bushes with a SAM missile, well you get the idea, right.

There is NO EXCUSE...NONE......for the POTUS not to get on AF1 immediately, and have the kids bussed to a safe location. There is NO EXCUSE for Ruby killing Oswald that Sunday mourning....NONE NOONE

us Truthers will rely on SOLID EVIDENCE

So what the firefighters saw was molten copper from a sub station?

Apparently you DON'T know shit about welding COPPER. Copper DOES NOT VISUALLY GIVE OFF THE APPEARANCE OF SPARKS

without the aid of FLUX and FLUX would NOT be inside an electrical sub station !!!

Now YOU BOZOS look up THERMITE on YOUTUBE and compare it to the LIVE FOOTAGE on 9/11 coming out of the twin towers then you BOZOS just MIGHT see the scary resemblance.

Care to share some of this evidence? It's been pages and I'm still waiting for some evidence.

Quote from naprinciple:
Why is the onus on people who point out contradictions in the government's story. Instead of demanding evidence from me, why not demand evidence from the government?

The evidence of a conspiracy is on you. Pointing out contradictions is not the same as providing evidence of a conspiracy. All I'm asking for is evidence of a conspiracy.


Start with the videos the FBI confiscated from all over DC on 911. It's a question I have, and the government gave us 5 blurry stills.

I can see dozens of cams on the roof of the Pentacon, and I know most stores and all ATM's have cameras.


Why do you think we don't have pictures from every angle in DC?

I know why we don't. Why don't you think we don't have pictures from every angle?

Again. All I want is evidence. Questioning what happened is not evidence of a conspiracy.